Octane booster now Problems

[95chickn]

I filled my car up Friday with 93 fuel and added a bottle of lucas octane booster. Well I thought it would perk my car up but the total opposite:shake:*happened. Car ran sluggish the first quarter tank of gas, now at the halfway mark it was running sluggish and would cut off at light. Just parked it in driveway now it won't start. Anybody else had it problems with octane booster? Car made a rattling noise(similar to that running hot rattle) before I park it. Tried to start few minutes ago, the motor is turning but seems to not be getting fuel but there is also burnt smell under hood so idk. What damage is Oc booster known to cause?

Ima try to describe the noise it makes when turning key.
normally the car starts *chit chit chit chit chit chit chit Vroooom
my car now *chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit..li ke a stready drag. (Sorry I dont know how to post Video).

Just trying to find possible problem:help:

[RubberCtyRauder]

Not sure about octane booster, never really heard anything bad about it, but not all that it is cracked up to be either. As for starting, is your battery weak? can you put a voltmeter on it? these cars act weird when the battery is weak and maybe the alternator wasn't charging.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Octane booster won't damage or cause it to run poorly

Was the can/bottle only 10 oz? Or did you put 5 gallons of octane booster in it?

Do you normally buy gas at that station?

How much gasoline did you put in the car?

Doubtful, pull a spark plug and if it's wet, you may have put diesel in it..... Some handles here are small enough to fit a gasoline fuel tank fill (Diesel nozzles at the pump are normally large so they won't fit gasoline cars)

Does your receipt show you bought gasoline?

About a year ago here at QT the tanker truck pumped diesel into the main gas hull. About 30 people made it a few miles before their cars shut down

I'd call the gas station and ask if they have had complaints about water in the gas since premium is not used as much these days

Sounds fuel related, water, diesel, old gas etc

Let us know

[Pat]

What he said ^^^^^.

Sounds like you got bad gas, the octane booster was just a coincidence.

Go back to the station where you got gas and tell them what happened. Maybe they will make it right. If they won't then call the number on the pumps inspection sticker. 93 octane is not as common as 87. Tank may still be contaminated.

We had the same thing happen here, several feet of water in the station's tank and cars were stalling all over the place. The state made the operators fix the cars. Expensive.

Don't turn your motor over, water does not compress. the engine may be toast. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Also, call your insurance company for assistance in filing a claim.

[martyo]

Octane booster will eat your plugs up.

Let's take a look at them.

[Marauderjack]

Parker's gas?????:confused:

[JustRight]

In our remote, humid area, almost no one uses premium fuel. So, if you buy the water-attracting, ethanol laced garbage thats been sitting in the tank for several months, there will likely be water/drivability problems. We live 1,500 feet from a gas station that sells horrible fuel. I can't count how many cars have ceased running in front of our house. I myself learned the hard way several years ago after pumping $64 worth of water out of my truck tank and it was their fastest moving regular gas. Now, we drive 16.5 miles to a station that sells good ol' ethanol-free white gas and everything runs perfect all the time-----it's well worth the effort.

Did I mention I despise ethanol? I believe it was purposely made to be used only for vicious ex-mother-in-laws.

[fastblackmerc]

I filled my car up Friday with 93 fuel and added a bottle of lucas octane booster. Well I thought it would perk my car up but the total opposite:shake:*happened. Car ran sluggish the first quarter tank of gas, now at the halfway mark it was running sluggish and would cut off at light. Just parked it in driveway now it won't start. Anybody else had it problems with octane booster? Car made a rattling noise(similar to that running hot rattle) before I park it. Tried to start few minutes ago, the motor is turning but seems to not be getting fuel but there is also burnt smell under hood so idk. What damage is Oc booster known to cause?

Ima try to describe the noise it makes when turning key.
normally the car starts *chit chit chit chit chit chit chit Vroooom
my car now *chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit..li ke a stready drag. (Sorry I dont know how to post Video).

Just trying to find possible problem:help:

That "rattling" noise is detonation which is like death to our aluminum motors. Do not drive the car until you fix the problem or you'll be posting about needing a new motor.

I bet your problem is water or some other contaminant in the gas. Only way to find out is to drain the tank and check the plugs. If it is contaminated then approach the station purchased from about paying for repairs or at least the cost of the gas.

Octane boosters don't raise the octane more than a few tenths (0.x) of a point so they don't do much good. Commercial octane boosters are a scam. For example, if one says it'll raise your octane by 7 points. This is what they mean:87 Octane + 7 Point Octane Boost = 87.7 Octane NOT 94 Octane. They will drain you cash though. Better off finding a good station.

https://www.google.com/search?q=octne+booster&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=are+octane+boosters+worth+ it

[95chickn]

Parker's gas?????:confused:

:( Yeep it was Parkers

[8UWITH6]

Hopefully it is just bad gas or diesel contamination. If it is, tow it to a repair shop you trust. Have them drain the tank. Fill with fresh fuel. Change the fuel filter. Disable the fuel system. Hook up a Power Injection Service to the fuel rail and run the car on compressed air and the injector cleaning chemical until the car stalls. This cleans the fuel rail and injectors very well. Hook the fuel like back up to the fuel rail and prime the fuel system with your new fresh fuel/filter and let her rip. Good luck.

[95chickn]

Before I made it home it stopped at the light...took a minute to start. I had to pat the gas rapidly then it finally started. I put accelerator to the floor I choked for about 5 seconds before the rpms finally revved up, and ran like crap otw home. At stop signs I would put in neutral and rev so I wouldn't turn off, it was making that rattle noise.

[95chickn]

Hopefully it is just bad gas or diesel contamination. If it is, tow it to a repair shop you trust. Have them drain the tank. Fill with fresh fuel. Change the fuel filter. Disable the fuel system. Hook up a Power Injection Service to the fuel rail and run the car on compressed air and the injector cleaning chemical until the car stalls. This cleans the fuel rail and injectors very well. Hook the fuel like back up to the fuel rail and prime the fuel system with your new fresh fuel/filter and let her rip. Good luck.

I might need Parkers to pay for it if their gas did it

[8UWITH6]

Stop driving the car. Call Parkers. State the car ran fine prior to filling up with fuel at your station. Ask when they last time they had a truck fill the station and have they had any other complaints?

[Turbov6Bryan]

I might need Parkers to pay for it if their gas did it

Might????

Demand they pay for repairs

Receipt ?

[Mr. Man]

Doubt the gas station will admit to anything. Probably need to call someone in State or County govt to complain. They can send someone out to investigate if there is a water problem. If they determine there is a water problem then you can take appropriate action if you choose. Be quick about it though as a new fill truck will most likely make finding water much more difficult.

[Marauderjack]

:( Yeep it was Parkers

One fill-up at the NEW Parker's in Beaufort and my motor self destructed!!:argue::mad2:

[daddyusmaximus]

We don't have any "Parker's" around here, but at least now I know to stay away from them if I'm traveling.

[O's Fan Rich]

I had a wonderful experience with a tank full of gas , I mean water, back in september 2006... quite a fight to get it paid for.....

[95chickn]

Giving me the Major run around:bigcry:

[95chickn]

One fill-up at the NEW Parker's in Beaufort and my motor self destructed!!:argue::mad2:

How did you resolve issue?

[8UWITH6]

You are going to have to try harder. Ask for someone important. You might also make sure that bad fuel is the problem before you proceed with the butt chewings. When QT caused an issue down the street from my shop a few years back they where amazing to deal with. Had 5 cars in my shop within a few hours died while driving, crank no start. Diesel in the 87 octane tank. They paid to fix all 5 cars and dispose of the old fuel.

[Marauderjack]

How did you resolve issue?

Rebuilt the motor and moved on.....what can you do if you can't prove it??:shake:

I contacted the guy in charge of fuel deliveries at Parker's and he said the loads during the time frame I laid out were all slightly above 93 octane......imagine that!!:argue:

I was gonna pull a sample from the car but by then it was several months old!! :(

My advice to anyone requiring fairly accurate and consistent octane.....BUY FROM A REPUTABLE COMPANY AND NEVER LOOK FOR THE LOWEST PRICE!!:beer:

[Marauderjack]

You are going to have to try harder. Ask for someone important. You might also make sure that bad fuel is the problem before you proceed with the butt chewings. When QT caused an issue down the street from my shop a few years back they where amazing to deal with. Had 5 cars in my shop within a few hours died while driving, crank no start. Diesel in the 87 octane tank. They paid to fix all 5 cars and dispose of the old fuel.

Diesel in gasoline is pretty easy to prove but 87 octane mixed with 93 octane 3 months ago....not so easy!!:shake:

[8UWITH6]

Diesel in gasoline is pretty easy to prove but 87 octane mixed with 93 octane 3 months ago....not so easy!!:shake:

Truth. I was thinking more like water or diesel contamination.

[95chickn]

Rebuilt the motor and moved on.....what can you do if you can't prove it??:shake:

I contacted the guy in charge of fuel deliveries at Parker's and he said the loads during the time frame I laid out were all slightly above 93 octane......imagine that!!:argue:

I was gonna pull a sample from the car but by then it was several months old!! :(

My advice to anyone requiring fairly accurate and consistent octane.....BUY FROM A REPUTABLE COMPANY AND NEVER LOOK FOR THE LOWEST PRICE!!:beer:

Yep is time to move on:alone:

Good think is I have a spare motor out of a Aviator I picked up for $120 3 months ago. Ill put new bearing and gaskets and drop in and bore and rebuild the eng thats in car. Might be looking for headers while motor is out.

Lesson learned. Whats the best gas prefered? (Walmart, Shell, chevron, etc?). Do I nessasary new a new fuel pump or filter?

:censor: Parker's

[8UWITH6]

You dont need a new engine because of fuel contamination unless you know it is hurt? It will knock and ping and shudder badly but might not be damaged.

[95chickn]

You dont need a new engine because of fuel contamination unless you know it is hurt? It will knock and ping and shudder badly but might not be damaged.

The oil smells Burnt

[RubberCtyRauder]

If it diesel then it usually don't hurt it. It actually cleans it. Drain sample and see if it seperates in a glass jar. It happened to me once in a 4 cyl abd drain tank and fresh gas, all ok

[95chickn]

If it diesel then it usually don't hurt it. It actually cleans it. Drain sample and see if it seperates in a glass jar. It happened to me once in a 4 cyl abd drain tank and fresh gas, all ok

Ok ill try that first

[Marauderjack]

I have used Shell 93 exclusively (except that one time) with ZERO problems!!:bows:

[tbone]

I get all my fuel from Costco. Usually the cheapest around. It is 93 octane and Top Tier. That or Shell. Shell is usually @ .25 more. Gas Buddy is a great site.

http://www.illinoisgasprices.com/GasPriceSearch.aspx?fuel=C&qsrch=60014

[fastblackmerc]

I get all my fuel from Costco. Usually the cheapest around. It is 93 octane and Top Tier. That or Shell. Shell is usually @ .25 more. Gas Buddy is a great site.

http://www.illinoisgasprices.com/GasPriceSearch.aspx?fuel=C&qsrch=60014

Gas Buddy :bows: :bows:

[95chickn]

Im starting Over....

First of all what's a good fuel pump I can put in while gas tank is out?

[Ourobos]

Ford GT Supercar improved pump.. Leaves room for future upgrades, only $100

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161833851446?_trksid=p2057872. m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[95chickn]

You dont need a new engine because of fuel contamination unless you know it is hurt? It will knock and ping and shudder badly but might not be damaged.

Im trying to determine whether motor is blown.... When turn key the belt and everything is spinning.... but it won't start. Ive put in the New fuel pump but not starting. If the belt and everything is spinning could the motor still be blown? Timing? Should I check plugs?

Ill post video to Marauder Facebook page soon

[95chickn]

Pulled plugs, all of them smelt like gas and about 5 was a little wet with gas...Soooooo:confused:

[fastblackmerc]

Do you have compression? spark?

[Zack]

These engines will never start with wet plugs, even if you cut off the fuel supply.

Either remove all 8 and let dry for a few hours, or replace the plugs

[95chickn]

These engines will never start with wet plugs, even if you cut off the fuel supply.

Either remove all 8 and let dry for a few hours, or replace the plugs

Ok ill replace plugs....but the top of pistons look a little wet...... Blow dryer:rolleyes:

[RubberCtyRauder]

Raw gas. Red hot heating element in dryer = might be cinged eyebrows. Dunno

[fastblackmerc]

Ok ill replace plugs....but the top of pistons look a little wet...... Blow dryer:rolleyes:

Just have an extinguisher handy............ I'd just plow compressed air in there or just let it sit for a few hours as mentioned.

[95chickn]

New plugs.... dry pistons....NO START:mad2::mad:

[RubberCtyRauder]

Does fuel pump cycle when just key turned to on? Is there fuel pressure at the Sch rader valve on fuel rail?

[95chickn]

Could it be a fuse...its not firing. .. seem to be getting fuel

[FordNut]

Maybe the crank sensor?

[95chickn]

Ima run to autozone and get that... BTW I have a CEL and tryed two scanners by got nothing... pissin me....

[Turbov6Bryan]

Did you even check for spark?

[95chickn]

Did you even check for spark?

No... (how?). I replaced All plugs. Motor is turning over, but no trying to start at all. I press on the strater value and gas shoots out sooo Im saying its a firing issue. Im going to replace crank sensor in the morning and see if that solves things

[8UWITH6]

Take a coil out and put your finger in the end of it. Have a buddy turn the car over. You will find out if it has spark or not real quick!

All jokes aside. Pull a coil. Lay it on the cam cover. Stick one of your old plugs in the end of it and crank the car over to see if you have spark. If you don't then now at least you know where to start vs throwing parts at it. Next would be fuel system by verifying fuel pressure (yes I know your plugs are wet). After that would be compression. You need those three for an engine to start. Lastly is timing needs to be correct. While turning the engine over does it sound funky or normal? Good luck.

[95chickn]

UPDATE:
I clean connection for Crank sensor and it seem to start firing...but would quickly slow down maybe cause plugs are getting soaked...
Pull plugs again looked down in cyclinder and it was a little puddle. Does my replacement fuel pump have something to do with this (highflow fordgt).
Also throttle body/intake has oil in it.

[Marauderjack]

You probably FLOODED it pretty bad cranking with no fire!!!:(

[95chickn]

You probably FLOODED it pretty bad cranking with no fire!!!:(

Best way to drain...?:banghead:

[FordNut]

You changed to a high flow fuel pump? When (how long after pump change until problems started)? Did you get a new tune after pump replacement? Just wondering, I believe without a tune to compensate for the bigger fuel pump it could flood due to too much fuel, or it could even blow a FRPS and allow fuel to go into the vacuum lines and cause flooding through that path.

[RubberCtyRauder]

you cant really drain a flooded fuel injected engine, you can hold the gas pedal down all the way and try starting this turns the injectors off. A lot of times, wet plugs become toast, not always. You need to step back and do a systematic approach to this instead of the shot gun approach, you may make it worse.

[FordNut]

You probably FLOODED it pretty bad cranking with no fire!!!:(


Best way to drain...?:banghead:

Pull the plugs, pull the fuel pump fuse, turn it over for awhile, then just let it sit so the excess fuel evaporates.

Clean the plugs if they're new, ether (starting fluid) should work ok.

Be sure to use a torque wrench and anti-sieze on the plugs or you may end up with stripped threads in the heads.

[95chickn]

Ford GT Supercar improved pump.. Leaves room for future upgrades, only $100

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161833851446?_trksid=p2057872. m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I took this advise...didnt say anything about a tune. Do I have to switch back

[FordNut]

I took this advise...didnt say anything about a tune. Do I have to switch back

Did you eliminate the pressure relief valve?

[Turbov6Bryan]

Do what was said above

Floor gas pedal then start cranking the Engine over, do it for 15-20 seconds

Stop

Let starter cool off

Do it once more

Stop


Then start as normal

Depending on tune, the injectors will be shut off during cranking at wide open throttle. Reinheart doesn't.

I do this everytime I change my oil. It works

Now what are you going to do about the burnt oil smell?

[95chickn]

Did you eliminate the pressure relief valve?

Where is that located?

[FordNut]

Where is that located?

In the gas tank. Little white plastic thing connected to the fuel pump.

[95chickn]

Everything is back together... how should I try starting for best results. Hold the pedal to floor? No pedal? Or pat pedal repeatedly as car is turning over?

[fastblackmerc]

you cant really drain a flooded fuel injected engine, you can hold the gas pedal down all the way and try starting this turns the injectors off. A lot of times, wet plugs become toast, not always. You need to step back and do a systematic approach to this instead of the shot gun approach, you may make it worse.


Do what was said above

Floor gas pedal then start cranking the Engine over, do it for 15-20 seconds

Stop

Let starter cool off

Do it once more

Stop


Then start as normal

Depending on tune, the injectors will be shut off during cranking at wide open throttle. Reinheart doesn't.

I do this everytime I change my oil. It works

Now what are you going to do about the burnt oil smell?


Everything is back together... how should I try starting for best results. Hold the pedal to floor? No pedal? Or pat pedal repeatedly as car is turning over?

I guess you didn't read previous posts............ :shake:

[Turbov6Bryan]

You've been wrenching on it for a month, take to Marty

[95chickn]

Tried to start... nothing. On the third time I got a little boom from intake and blue smoke came out cone filter (happen twice):shake:

[Turbov6Bryan]

Last two sentences from post 49

[FordNut]

You've been wrenching on it for a month, take to Marty

I'm out of ideas... do this ^^^^

[95chickn]

Last two sentences from post 49

Compression Results:

cyclinder
1. 58psi
2. 18psi
3. 29psi
4. 30psi
5. 50psi
6. 50psi
7. 21psi
8. 50psi

Seems like a new motor is Next

[Turbov6Bryan]

Yup

Sounds like the cam to crank timing is off, bent valves

Aviator motor to the rescue!

[fastblackmerc]

Compression Results:

cyclinder
1. 58psi
2. 18psi
3. 29psi
4. 30psi
5. 50psi
6. 50psi
7. 21psi
8. 50psi

Seems like a new motor is Next

Yes, a new motor it is.

[martyo]

Compression Results:

cyclinder
1. 58psi
2. 18psi
3. 29psi
4. 30psi
5. 50psi
6. 50psi
7. 21psi
8. 50psi

Seems like a new motor is Next

This is the ultra low compression Prius Marauder.

[GetMeMyStogie]

I had this problem... cylinders getting flooded as soon as the engine started, if it started at all.
In my case, it was the IAC (idle air controller). The plunger in mine had cracked and a piece broken off, so way too much air getting past the throttle.

Simple test: unplug the IAC and try again after drying things out again. If it starts, it should drive just fine. Though idle will not be perfect, it should good enough to drive around (iirc, quick stops led to the idle dipping lower than normal [like 500 rpm or so], but never stalled the car) and get a replacement.

[Turbov6Bryan]

I had this problem... cylinders getting flooded as soon as the engine started, if it started at all.
In my case, it was the IAC (idle air controller). The plunger in mine had cracked and a piece broken off, so way too much air getting past the throttle.

Simple test: unplug the IAC and try again after drying things out again. If it starts, it should drive just fine. Though idle will not be perfect, it should good enough to drive around (iirc, quick stops led to the idle dipping lower than normal [like 500 rpm or so], but never stalled the car) and get a replacement.

Scroll up and read his compression values.

[95chickn]

Scroll up and read his compression values.

:rofl::rofl:

Hey, just wanted to thank you guys for putting up with me being an ASKhole. Just a Newbie trying to learn all the Hiccups these cars sometimes come up with. Motor is being replaced with the aviator motor I had sitting and looking forward to cruising again.... Appreciate:beer::beer: