THE MADNESS!!!!!!! PART TWO SILVER GOES WHIPPLE 4.0L

[MOTOWN]

After selling the complete drivetrain of the YSI/HOGAN INTAKE/ALUMINATOR build I have began ordering parts for the WHIPPLE build!:banana2:

The new build will consist of a WHIPPLE 4L blower , a forged 4.6L with a Manley steel crank , Manley I beam billet rods w/ARP 2000 rod bolts , Diamond coated pistons (9.1comp), ARP 2000 main , and head studs , 4.6L Aluminum Teksid block, billet oil pump, and a Moroso aluminum oil pan.

4V heads (9 thread) fully ported, and polished , stock cams , Killer chiller , ID 1300 injectors.

4L80E transmission with a Circle D 2,800 stall converter triple disc , I'll be going to a M9 9" ford rear end with 3:70 gears.

My goal for this build is 900RWHP with a 9second time slip , I'll also be doing True Forged 20X14 wheels with Mickey Thompson street radials!

STAY TUNED!:eek: I'll update the thread with pictures and information as I progress with the build.

[BeeDamn]

HOLY S#@T !!! THAT'S MORE THAN A MADNESS !!! Good Luck ROGER

[BeeDamn]

But would it be better if you put a 3.73 instead of 3.55 !!??

[Mebot]

Subscribing

[MOTOWN]

But would it be better if you put a 3.73 instead of 3.55 !!??

No with the WHIPPLE it's going to have "traction" issues with the 3:55s anything more is a waste.

[CWright]

I told you those sleepless nights would start! I see what time you started this thread! :D

This car will be an ANIMAL! :burn:



:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: :popcorn::popcorn:

[justbob]

Damn man! What were the winning lotto numbers??


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[cer0413]

Too easy for you Moteezy.

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[jay87lx]

Good lawd-9sec?? geez

[JimP]

Go big or go home, can't wait to see the end product.

[Joe Walsh]

Pick up a TEKSID block from the local scrap yard for $100.

It's cheap insurance on a build like this.

[vkirkend]

WOW!!!! This is going to be a MONSTER!!!! I can't wait to see the end product!!!

[8UWITH6]

Who cares. Wassup with the Turbo car? ��

[RubberCtyRauder]

Whipple 4.0, 4.1,...... Whatever it takes. :D

looking forward to seeing the finished monster build.

[jflave]

Just WOW :2thumbs::popcorn:

[lji372]

It's going to look like this except in a silver car :P

should run about 14-15k complete.........

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[8UWITH6]

LOL he is right you know. Wire tuck and all

[sailsmen]

Looking forward to watching the vid on the 9 second run.

[CWright]

It's going to look like this except in a silver car :P

should run about 14-15k complete.........

44255
44256




That's UGLY! :puke:


























J/K....... Freaking beautiful! :D:coolman:

[blkZooM]

It's going to look like this except in a silver car :P

should run about 14-15k complete.........

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44256



How much power does that combo make and at what psi?

[lji372]

How much power does that combo make and at what psi?

750/630 15lbs e85

[blkZooM]

Lol Jesus.


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[jay87lx]

Pick up a TEKSID block from the local scrap yard for $100.

It's cheap insurance on a build like this.
what would one search for when trying to find this block? what cars did they come in?

[MOTOWN]

Pick up a TEKSID block from the local scrap yard for $100.

It's cheap insurance on a build like this.

Excellent idea! And done! Of course Jerry had one:coolman:

[CWright]

Excellent idea! And done! Of course Jerry had one:coolman:

Great score on the Teksid block!


Jerry be da man! :beer:

[lji372]

Great score on the Teksid block!


Jerry be da man! :beer:

Everyone doesn't have one laying around :shake:

[Joe Walsh]

what would one search for when trying to find this block? what cars did they come in?

I find them in mid 90's Lincoln Mark VIII (RWD).
If you strip it down to just the block, my local junkyard charges $100 for any engine block, including a TEKSID.


The DOHC Modular V-8 has evolved with reliable consistency for more than a decade. Early on, the 4.6L DOHC employed the Teksid F6LZ-6010-AB aluminum block according to George Reid's How To Rebuild 4.6L/5.4L Ford Engines book, which is available from CarTech Books. The DOHC's first aluminum Modular block weighed just 86 pounds compared with the 175-pound SOHC iron block. Teksid of Italy, a world-class aluminum casting operation, provided Ford with DOHC block castings through 2001, when Ford made the decision to bring casting work into its Windsor, Ontario foundry (Windsor Aluminum Plant or "WAP"). Ford introduced a lot of good constructive modifications to the DOHC block including thicker pan rails and increased ribbing for reducing noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH).

Renowned Modular engine builder and racer, Sean Hyland, of Sean Hyland Motorsport tells us he uses the early '96-'98 Cobra Teksid block (F6LZ-6010-AB) for his drag racing engines with great success because they can withstand 1,500 horsepower. This block was also used in the '93-'98 Lincoln Mark VIII, which means there are plenty of cores out there—higher mileage cars can be had for as little as $1,000. Italian-cast Teksid blocks are cast in SAE 319 spec' aluminum and heat-treated to get the desired strength. The Teksid block is consistent and predictable throughout its 1993-2001 production life according to Hyland. The only change was a switch to wider interference fit main caps in 1999 in a revised block casting (ZR3Z-6010-CA) when Ford eliminated the main cap cross bolt jackscrew preload design.

[jay87lx]

I find them in mid 90's Lincoln Mark VIII (RWD).
If you strip it down to just the block, my local junkyard charges $100 for a TEKSID.


The DOHC Modular V-8 has evolved with reliable consistency for more than a decade. Early on, the 4.6L DOHC employed the Teksid F6LZ-6010-AB aluminum block according to George Reid's How To Rebuild 4.6L/5.4L Ford Engines book, which is available from CarTech Books. The DOHC's first aluminum Modular block weighed just 86 pounds compared with the 175-pound SOHC iron block. Teksid of Italy, a world-class aluminum casting operation, provided Ford with DOHC block castings through 2001, when Ford made the decision to bring casting work into its Windsor, Ontario foundry (Windsor Aluminum Plant or "WAP"). Ford introduced a lot of good constructive modifications to the DOHC block including thicker pan rails and increased ribbing for reducing noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH).

Renowned Modular engine builder and racer, Sean Hyland, of Sean Hyland Motorsport tells us he uses the early '96-'98 Cobra Teksid block (F6LZ-6010-AB) for his drag racing engines with great success because they can withstand 1,500 horsepower. This block was also used in the '93-'98 Lincoln Mark VIII, which means there are plenty of cores out there—higher mileage cars can be had for as little as $1,000. Italian-cast Teksid blocks are cast in SAE 319 spec' aluminum and heat-treated to get the desired strength. The Teksid block is consistent and predictable throughout its 1993-2001 production life according to Hyland. The only change was a switch to wider interference fit main caps in 1999 in a revised block casting (ZR3Z-6010-CA) when Ford eliminated the main cap cross bolt jackscrew preload design.


So any 1993-'01 Mark 8 engine??

[blkZooM]

ID1300 and never look back.


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[MOTOWN]

ID1300 and never look back.


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Yeah if i go E85 , if 93 octane ID 1000 will be the ticket!

[Zack]

Any gas other than E85 will negate tons of power and fun

[MOTOWN]

Any gas other than E85 will negate tons of power and fun

Kurgan wants E85 since he is tuning it i may go that route.

[hotford]

Since E-85 is very easily attainable in your area I would be going that route.

I would still get mulitiple tunes(91-93 octane) in case you want to take a long trip in it.

[Blown3.8]

Just go ID1300 even if running 93.

[lji372]

i'm averaging 8.2mpg

no road trips!! lmao

[Spectragod]

i'm averaging 8.2mpg

no road trips!! lmao

How many intermediate shafts per tank in that car?????

[8UWITH6]

How many intermediate shafts per tank in that car?????

You are hysterical!!:D

[CWright]

How many intermediate shafts per tank in that car?????

That was funny! :lol:

[Spectragod]

You are hysterical!!:D



It was even funnier retrieving it at 2am 60 miles away.... Had quality Jerry time


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[lji372]

i...........................


never mind

[CWright]

i...........................


never mind


Uh huh!!!!!! You know the fix!! :D

[Spectragod]

Uh huh!!!!!! You know the fix!! :D

Cheaper than all the transmissions that thing has had....... the trans shop installed it with Dzus fasteners last time. :D

[lji372]

Cheaper than all the transmissions that thing has had....... the trans shop installed it with Dzus fasteners last time. :D

and the one after that time was the last one :banana2:
at least mine gets driven :P









when not in the shop :eek:

[Spectragod]

I tried to drop mine off at your place and you refused????? Closet DTR hater???? Lol


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[CWright]

and the one after that time was the last one :banana2:
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If you put it in the Silver I'll believe you but if you put in the black.........:hide: :D

[lji372]

If you put it in the Silver I'll believe you but if you put in the black.........:hide: :D

Linda honey listen to me

No, you listen to me!


Until I run it down the track and blow it up I am not getting off my wallet :burnout:


Or sell it.....

[CWright]

Linda honey listen to me

No, you listen to me!


Until I run it down the track and blow it up I am not getting off my wallet :burnout:


Or sell it.....



:lol:

............

[breeze]

20x14 wheels with what offset and how about rubbing inner wheels well

[Curless]

I tried to drop mine off at your place and you refused????? Closet DTR hater???? Lol


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Closet?? That's the last place you'll find Jerry... unless Zack is in there!

[MOTOWN]

4L80E showed up
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160727_170643_zpsvynphvuw.jp g

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160727_170438_zpslhyqzp2s.jp g

[lji372]

4L80E showed up
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160727_170643_zpsvynphvuw.jp g

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160727_170438_zpslhyqzp2s.jp g

Damn that was quick!!!

[MOTOWN]

Damn that was quick!!!

I guess , hell i ordered it on the 10th of this month, and they had to build it to my specs.

[Spectragod]

4L80E showed up
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160727_170643_zpsvynphvuw.jp g

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Badass..... Jerry needs one if not two of those....


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[CWright]

4L80E showed up
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160727_170643_zpsvynphvuw.jp g

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160727_170438_zpslhyqzp2s.jp g


You just picked up a strong backbone there buddy! Hopefully it's set of Balls will be there soon!

[MOTOWN]

The nuts and bolts are always hard to come by! Lol

[CWright]

The nuts and bolts are always hard to come by! Lol

LOL!!!!!!!!

[MOTOWN]

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160805_173343_zpsvr5b4gur.jp g

26PSI just knocked on da door!

[justbob]

Nice! What's the peak efficiency on the 4.0's?


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[MOTOWN]

Nice! What's the peak efficiency on the 4.0's?


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30 or 32PSI i believe it is

[CWright]

Beautiful! :burnout::burnout:

[camelgrundle]

Well then you might as well go 30psi to be safe ;)! Looking good Man!

[blkZooM]

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20160805_173343_zpsvr5b4gur.jp g

26PSI just knocked on da door!



Oh snap. Someone isn't playing any games I see. Do you have a timeline when you want it all to be done?

[cer0413]

Oh snap. Someone isn't playing any games I see. Do you have a timeline when you want it all to be done?
After mines [emoji16]

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[blkZooM]

After mines [emoji16]

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Is he building yours?

[cer0413]

Is he building yours?
Yes.

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[lji372]

motowns next build


x2VIV0ZsI9c

[Spectragod]

motowns next build


x2VIV0ZsI9c


Nah...... no way he'd stop at 4000...........;)

[jay87lx]

So the 4L80e bolts to the 4.6? Is a different bellhousing, or driveshaft needed?

[Guittard22]

Hold onto your butts !!! Best of luck

[RubberCtyRauder]

So the 4L80e bolts to the 4.6? Is a different bellhousing, or driveshaft needed?


Hughes Trans, offers 4l80e with custom bell housing for 4.6 mod motor, coyote motor,5.4, 351, 302, 5.8 and other ford motors.

[blkZooM]

Motown What trans controller you going with?


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[MOTOWN]

Motown What trans controller you going with?


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Probably this Fast unit http://www.jegs.com/i/TCI/890/302820/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710612564&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15769068431&CATCI=pla-171302327351&gclid=CjwKEAjw26C9BRCOrKeYgJH1 7kcSJACb-HNA6SC4pYqJbZtTkkpC41Ig8psZYew l5uHy8Hex6s71nhoCwxbw_wcB

[blkZooM]

Not too fond of US Shift or Compushift II?


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[MOTOWN]

Not too fond of US Shift or Compushift II?


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No not really.

[MOTOWN]

Turning my attention back to SILVER! ordered a set of 3 piece forged True Forged wheels 20X10 fronts on a +45mm offset , and Slightly wide 20X14 rears on a +40mm offset to complete the Minitub job!

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0001_zpsnxwys124.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_5591_zpsgykuijy8.jpg

[MOTOWN]

Also getting set to install a Moser M9 9" Chromemoly rearend with a matching custom TCE 15" rotor Wilwood Aero caliper brake setup!

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0234_zpsx2xxo3li.jpg

[MOTOWN]

I bought a set of Jerrys ultra-sweet brackets for the Whipple swap which I had high polished then anodized red for a little under hood bling! I also did a set of Fore fuel rails.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20161103_144541_zpsrhtyx1ga.jp g

[MOTOWN]

Turning my attention back to SILVER! ordered a set of 3 piece forged True Forged wheels 20X10 fronts on a +45mm offset , and Slightly wide 20X14 rears on a +40mm offset to complete the Minitub job!

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0001_zpsnxwys124.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_5591_zpsgykuijy8.jpg

And I must say that pictures do not do these wheels justice!:banana:

[8UWITH6]

Hopefully these wheels will tuck and not stick out! :) I am sure if you are doing the mini tub that you have carefully measured offset, etc. So what size tires? Do they make a drag radial to fit those rears?

[MOTOWN]

Hopefully these wheels will tuck and not stick out! :) I am sure if you are doing the mini tub that you have carefully measured offset, etc. So what size tires? Do they make a drag radial to fit those rears?

Hope doesn't come into play here , experience does! Sounds like you answered your own question, I'll be running Mickey Thompson street radials in a 29X15X20 , and I wouldn't waste my money on drag radials which are fatal in the rain , and last all of 5K miles.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Looks good so far, Roger!

[massacre]

I'm sure you already know this, but to fit a stock Terminator lower intake/heat exchanger, the Teksid block will need some grinding in the valley of the the block. Also the stock knock sensors will not fit, there are several ways around that. Not sure if you are keeping the knock sensors in the tune though.

[MOTOWN]

I'm sure you already know this, but to fit a stock Terminator lower intake/heat exchanger, the Teksid block will need some grinding in the valley of the the block. Also the stock knock sensors will not fit, there are several ways around that. Not sure if you are keeping the knock sensors in the tune though.

Yes I haven't ground them down yet, hell I don't even have the car right now, but I'll get to it.

[lji372]

Did you hit the lotto?

[8UWITH6]

Hope doesn't come into play here , experience does! Sounds like you answered your own question, I'll be running Mickey Thompson street radials in a 29X15X20 , and I wouldn't waste my money on drag radials which are fatal in the rain , and last all of 5K miles.

You should not drive any type of drag radial, street radial, slick or otherwise in the rain as I am sure you know. I think it is stupid that so many people with 500+hp cars run regular radial tires. I mean come on, really? But anyway, I asked the question because your last wheel/tire setup was not my favorite, just being honest. It looks like you are on your way to a winner this time around, cannot wait to see it. What size front tire?

[mattdohc]

nice brackets!!! ill be getting me a set of eaton brackets from jerry in February or march.

[MOTOWN]

Did you hit the lotto?

Ask the guy who owns 4+ Marauders:confused:


You should not drive any type of drag radial, street radial, slick or otherwise in the rain as I am sure you know. I think it is stupid that so many people with 500+hp cars run regular radial tires. I mean come on, really? But anyway, I asked the question because your last wheel/tire setup was not my favorite, just being honest. It looks like you are on your way to a winner this time around, cannot wait to see it. What size front tire?

LMAO! your petty azz comments are always amusing!:shake: I don't build my cars to anyone elses liking unless they are paying the bill!:rolleyes:

[8UWITH6]

Roger, I wasn't arguing I was agreeing with the tires. I stated my opinion about the last setup, and then complimented your new setup, and asked another question about it. I am failing to see the issue with engaging conversation about your build. That is what this thread is for isn't it? To show it off and discuss it? Either way, good luck with it.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

You should not drive any type of drag radial, street radial, slick or otherwise in the rain as I am sure you know. I think it is stupid that so many people with 500+hp cars run regular radial tires. I mean come on, really? But anyway, I asked the question because your last wheel/tire setup was not my favorite, just being honest. It looks like you are on your way to a winner this time around, cannot wait to see it. What size front tire?

I agree the last setup was terrible, Like someone took SUV wheels and tires and threw them on for a hotwheelz look.

These three piece wheels look lightyears better, hopefully he gets the offsets correct this time around. :D

[MOTOWN]

I agree the last setup was terrible, Like someone took SUV wheels and tires and threw them on for a hotwheelz look.

These three piece wheels look lightyears better, hopefully he gets the offsets correct this time around. :D

Dude seriously get a life, your opinion is irrelevant to me.

[sailsmen]

Looking forward to seeing your Timeslip and video!:D

[Zack]

Keep that windshield protected

[Turbov6Bryan]

Any pictures of the mini tub? So what are you doing for the shock relocation? Just moving inboard or heavy angle?

Silver car is gonna be a bad mofo, taking either to Louisville next year?

[MOTOWN]

Any pictures of the mini tub? So what are you doing for the shock relocation? Just moving inboard or heavy angle?

Silver car is gonna be a bad mofo, taking either to Louisville next year?

No pics yet , shocks are going to be relocated inboard of the frame rails , I may get a set of Ridetech coil over shocks.

[MOTOWN]

Got my H pipe cerema coated , looks like new money!

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0017_zpsslalj5ur.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0018_zps8qa8v7gt.jpg

[camelgrundle]

Looks really good man!

[MOTOWN]

Looks really good man!

Tail pipes are next but ill wait until the mini tub is done since the tail pipes may need to be reconfigured.

[justbob]

That's beautiful!


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[Curless]

Keep that windshield protected

That grill is in a bad spot as well...

[MOTOWN]

Havent updated this thread in a while! Got the Magnaflows coated as well , ill coat the tail pipes once the 9" Ford axle is in place.

[MOTOWN]

Here are some of the parts I decided on at this point I'm 90% done gathering what I want to use on this build.

Went with a Innovators West 8 rib balancer with S/C pulley mount.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0140_zpsogxfbixo.jpg

[MOTOWN]

Manley forged crank and Manley billet I beam rods W/ARP 2000 rod bolts.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0117_zpswa16jpvs.jpg

[MOTOWN]

C&R heat exchanger W/12" dual fans , Will also be primarily running a Killer chiller.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/fullsizeoutput_a9_zpsvdbguezo. jpeg

[MOTOWN]

Im running ARP 2000 head studs , main studs , and side bolts , Fuel injectors will be ID 1300 on E85 which required running new E85 compatible fuel lines/filter , and dual Walbro 460 pumps (this may change).

Last is a Gear Vendors unit with the Pro-mod upgrade.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0195_zpscc8hlalx.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0194_zpshalvwl8u.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0193_zpspczijrwy.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0192_zpszlkbpgsh.jpg

[MOTOWN]

Here are the 20X14 True forged mounted on Mickey Thompson 20X18X31 street radials!

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0127_zpsmgclolb3.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0128_zps1eis03aj.jpg

[crownvic05]

Those wheels and tires man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BEAUTIFUL

[justbob]

Damn!


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[camelgrundle]

Oh my word!

[RubberCtyRauder]

It's even got the M for Motown


https://plantwarrior.files.wordpress.c om/2012/03/steamroller.jpg

[MOTOWN]

It's even got the M for Motown


https://plantwarrior.files.wordpress.c om/2012/03/steamroller.jpg

That would make an Excellent avatar!:beer:

[MM03]

Wow!!! I gotta see this thing run when you're finished with it! Let us know when you're bringing it to the track!

[sailsmen]

Will be good to see the BBC get knocked off the Top!!!:D

[Triple Threat]

Will be good to see the BBC get knocked off the Top!!!:D


The BBC is not on the top.That is the mod motor car.

[sailsmen]

The Mod Motor is faster than the BBC?

[Triple Threat]

The Mod Motor is faster than the BBC?


The BBC is no more.On the dyno 3 weeks ago on a soft tune it made 1495 h.p. at the wheels.A offer was made for the engine which I accepted.It is going into a fox body, drag radial,1/8 mi.car.

[sailsmen]

WOW, so what was it's best 1/4?:)

[camelgrundle]

Low 8's I believe. But Joe will chime in I am sure.

[Triple Threat]

WOW, so what was it's best 1/4?:)


8.13@178mph

[MOTOWN]

Added AN fittings to the Heat exchanger and water neck adapter.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0213_zps5jsgt0th.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/IMG_0215_zps2qrisndy.jpg

[Toomanytoys]

Damn.... Nice build.... Cant wait to see it to completion.

[SGT_MERC]

I was wondering how your build was going MOTOWN.... Awesome

[Zack]

I wonder who’s doing the actual work ��

[MOTOWN]

I wonder who’s doing the actual work ��

I wonder why you have absolutely no life??? and care??? and everyone knows I do my own work! Hey while your at it post more pics of work I never did! sorry azz bum!

[blazen71]

Hey Roger, is it time for an update? :burnout:

[crownvic05]

I would want to see those wheels on the car already.

[MOTOWN]

Hey Roger, is it time for an update? :burnout:

Just getting back at it , need to order ID 1300X Injectors and a Circle D Tripple disc.


I would want to see those wheels on the car already.

Yeah me too!:cool: the fronts are on still need to finish up the mini tub on the rear.

[Logan86]

I have to stop reading these build threads. Too many good ways to spend money. That wheel and tire combo looks killer by the way!

[blazen71]

Keep reading. These threads are good motivators!