Kathy's Secret

[MARAUDERCHICK]

OK! OK!.......I added a Meziere Electric Waterpump....(pic in gallery)

Here's what I got....

Now mind you....it was 92 degrees outside with the humidity at 94%.......with a mildly hot engine.....

I gained 10.1 hp with the Electric Waterpump. (It's probably more with the right weather conditions)

Sooooooo......Now...I'm at 291.8 RWHP and 308.3 FPTQ

But check this out.......With a 50-shot of NOS............:nono:

I got 328.3 RWHP and 372.3 FPTQ!!!!:eek: (hee hee hee)....just HAD to do it!!! I knew Todd would be checking out Dyno numbers and I knew these numbers would give him a heart attack!!!!! (hee hee hee).....I'm BAD!!! (snicker) :D :rolleyes: :D

[TAF]

Sold me....

[FordNut]

Mine is on order. Anybody who wants to do more research do an internet search on Meziere electric water pumps. To me it seems to make good sense. No high rpm cavitation, no low rpm low capacity issues, just a constant operating speed so the thermostat and radiator (with its electric fan) can regulate the engine temp. I reckon you could even cool down an engine by leaving the key on without starting it, assuming it's hot enough for the thermostat to open.

[MARAUDERCHICK]

Sold me....
FINALLY!!! Can you believe it!!!! I/ME/MARAUDERCHICK/KATHY.....sold Todd on something!!!! It's been the other way around the ENTIRE time I've known him!!! Everytime I drove his car, I was out several hundred dollars afterwards!!!;)

Somebody call Ripley's quick!!! :D

[TAF]

Somebody call Ripley's quick!!! :D
Has Ripley's got something for our cars??!!

I know a couple other projects that will make the pages of Ripley's....:rolleyes:

Yes...and Kathy knows...she even learned more today...but, she's tight-lipped.;)

[MARAUDERCHICK]

Has Ripley's got something for our cars??!!

I know a couple other projects that will make the pages of Ripley's....:rolleyes:
Yeah me too!!! ONE in particular!!;) ;)

[Marauderman]

Yeah me too!!! ONE in particular!!;) ;)
Yeah..........and I raised the rug to hear about it ...but I know nothing!....

[Dan]

This whole, "I know a secret and I'm not telling" business is very pedantic. (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=pedant)

[TAF]

This whole, "I know a secret and I'm not telling" business is very pedantic. (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=pedant)
Hey...it's fun for us, Dan....We're an active, fun group down here. I suggest you try to hook up with some folks near you for the same.

Whether anyone else gets a charge out of it...:cool:

[Marauderman]

This whole, "I know a secret and I'm not telling" business is very pedantic. (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=pedant)
Thats the word for tomorrow folks--use it at least three times tomorrow in your travels and you have a new word forever---but please --no more---

[SouLRioT]

And for friday your new word could be Snafu (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=snafu)

[woaface]

Pedantic! I just learned that word today...lol! I'll use it three times tomorrow...

[martyo]

This whole, "I know a secret and I'm not telling" business is very pedantic. (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=pedant)

Suits me to a "T"!

[Dan]

"It's fun for US"

Hmm, that is a very unselfish way of looking at it, ins't it? :) :P

I am glad that you guys didn't get upset with my first comment. Even though I do find it annoying I know that any real mitching and boaning about it would be fruitless.

Just you wait until I get a secret, LOSERS. :rock: :lol:

Best,

Dan

[Dan]

Suits me to a "T"!

I get the distinct feeling that was a hint.

[martyo]

I get the distinct feeling that was a hint.

Oh come on now Dan. Get blown, would ya!

[Haggis]

OK! OK!.......I added a Billet Electric Waterpump....(pic in gallery)

Here's what I got....

Now mind you....it was 92 degrees outside with the humidity at 94%.......with a mildly hot engine.....

I gained 10.1 hp with the Electric Waterpump. (It's probably more with the right weather conditions)

Sooooooo......Now...I'm at 291.8 RWHP and 308.3 FPTQ

But check this out.......With a 50-shot of NOS............:nono:

I got 328.3 RWHP and 372.3 FPTQ!!!!:eek: (hee hee hee)....just HAD to do it!!! I knew Todd would be checking out Dyno numbers and I knew these numbers would give him a heart attack!!!!! (hee hee hee).....I'm BAD!!! (snicker) :D :rolleyes: :D


Congratulations Kathy on your great numbers. Good luck and drive safe and what's all this Spanking business I've been hearing about?? :nono: :rock: :D

[duhtroll]

So how much did this water pump mod cost for parts and install?

The curious/jealous of us would like to know.

Thanks,
-A

[MARAUDERCHICK]

Congratulations Kathy on your great numbers. Good luck and drive safe and what's all this Spanking business I've been hearing about?? :nono: :rock: :D
Spanking???? Me????? Nah!!!!!!:D

[03SILVERSTREAK]

Sooooooo - where are the pics??? theres none in the gallery...

[MARAUDERCHICK]

So how much did this water pump mod cost for parts and install?

The curious/jealous of us would like to know.

Thanks,
-A
The waterpump itself is $350.00 plus shipping....labor varies....it depends on who does it and how much money you have ALREADY spent with that person!!;)

[03SILVERSTREAK]

PICS Pics pics...

[Black Terror]

Look at pictures in "Gallery" by MarauderChick

[Donny Carlson]

The waterpump itself is $350.00 plus shipping....labor varies....it depends on who does it and how much money you have ALREADY spent with that person!!;)
Uhh, did you get the one with or without the idler pully?

[FordNut]

Sooooooo - where are the pics??? theres none in the gallery...
One was posted in the gallery a few days ago.


Uhh, did you get the one with or without the idler pully?

With the pulley. The pulley is OEM diameter. Since it is just an idler, it doesn't matter what size it is as far as engine loading is concerned.

If you have stock crank pulley the OEM belt fits. If you have the underdrive crank pulley it requires a shorter belt by about 2".

Edit: I can answer some questions about it because I studied it very carefully at breakfast Saturday and asked a lot of these questions to the installer.

But, Kathy, did you get the relay kit or just wire it in directly? I ordered the relay kit with mine.

[MARAUDERCHICK]

One was posted in the gallery a few days ago.



With the pulley. The pulley is OEM diameter. Since it is just an idler, it doesn't matter what size it is as far as engine loading is concerned.

If you have stock crank pulley the OEM belt fits. If you have the underdrive crank pulley it requires a shorter belt by about 2".

Edit: I can answer some questions about it because I studied it very carefully at breakfast Saturday and asked a lot of these questions to the installer.

But, Kathy, did you get the relay kit or just wire it in directly? I ordered the relay kit with mine.
No, I had Jason wire it in directly!!...He is a MASTER when it comes to the electrical stuff!!!

[Dan]

Oh come on now Dan. Get blown, would ya!

I just love the double entendre of that statement. :)

In time, Marty, in time.

[martyo]

I just love the double entendre of that statement. :)

Hee...hee...

[TAF]

Sooooooo - where are the pics??? theres none in the gallery...
pic................

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/1499Electric_Waterpump-med.jpg (http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php/photo/3154/size/big/password/263233a0dd0b5fe0053e90d33d4b6b a0/sort/1/cat/500)

[03SILVERSTREAK]

pic................

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/1499Electric_Waterpump-med.jpg (http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php/photo/3154/size/big/password/263233a0dd0b5fe0053e90d33d4b6b a0/sort/1/cat/500)Thanks-I found it in the gallery... :up:

[BillyGman]

......and the Dyno HP/TQ# wars between Todd and Kathy continues.........or I guess I should now say Kathy, and Todd......:shot:

[tmac1337]

It's hard to keep up in the modification category around here. This web site is perfect for encouraging capitalism.

[BillyGman]

Capitalism? Cool.......I'll take that over communism......

[Patrick]

OK! OK!.......I added a Billet Electric Waterpump....(pic in gallery)

Here's what I got....

Now mind you....it was 92 degrees outside with the humidity at 94%.......with a mildly hot engine.....

I gained 10.1 hp with the Electric Waterpump. (It's probably more with the right weather conditions)

Sooooooo......Now...I'm at 291.8 RWHP and 308.3 FPTQ

But check this out.......With a 50-shot of NOS............:nono:

I got 328.3 RWHP and 372.3 FPTQ!!!!:eek: (hee hee hee)....just HAD to do it!!! I knew Todd would be checking out Dyno numbers and I knew these numbers would give him a heart attack!!!!! (hee hee hee).....I'm BAD!!! (snicker) :D :rolleyes: :D


:eek: :eek: :eek: :up:

[RCSignals]

Only thing to watch for is draw of the electric pump. If the alternator still keeps up, fine, otherwise you may also be looking at a charging system upgrade as more electrical items are added. Our (all new vehicles really) electrical systems seem pretty close to capacity already by some reports.

[woaface]

Between Tmac and BillyG, I think that was secret communism talk! There's a conspriacy I know it!!!

[SouLRioT]

Between Tmac and BillyG, I think that was secret communism talk! There's a conspriacy I know it!!!

You'll know when there's a conspriacy when a red marauder club starts up.

[duhtroll]

There is no red marauder club.

There is no red marauder club.

etc.

-A

[Haggis]

OK! OK!.......I added a Billet Electric Waterpump....(pic in gallery)

Here's what I got....

Now mind you....it was 92 degrees outside with the humidity at 94%.......with a mildly hot engine.....

I gained 10.1 hp with the Electric Waterpump. (It's probably more with the right weather conditions)

Sooooooo......Now...I'm at 291.8 RWHP and 308.3 FPTQ

But check this out.......With a 50-shot of NOS............:nono:

I got 328.3 RWHP and 372.3 FPTQ!!!!:eek: (hee hee hee)....just HAD to do it!!! I knew Todd would be checking out Dyno numbers and I knew these numbers would give him a heart attack!!!!! (hee hee hee).....I'm BAD!!! (snicker) :D :rolleyes: :D


So Kathy why the NOS??

[MARAUDERCHICK]

So Kathy why the NOS??
The NOS was a ONE TIME thing just to get high numbers on the dyno at Team Ford.....

It was a practical joke actually....See.....Todd likes to come around the shop and peek at everyones dyno numbers, so they guys at Team Ford talked me into this little practical joke......:P

They did a one time 50-shot of nitrous into the air filter chamber just to get some outrageous numbers and to make Todd wonder "what the heck has she done now??":D :D :D

I love those guys!!!! They ROCK!!!:rock: Todd too....he's so fun to pick on!!

[BillyGman]

So Kathy why the NOS??
I guess competition brings out the animal in her.:D

[MARAUDERCHICK]

I guess competition brings out the animal in her.:D MEOW!!!! PUUUUURRRRRRR!!!! :D

[Haggis]

I guess competition brings out the animal in her.:D


Sounds that way Billy....and other things too.

[MARAUDERCHICK]

Sounds that way Billy....and other things too.
Such as???????

[Haggis]

Such as???????


You tell us, I'm sure we'd like to hear some stories. Then again this is a clean site. LOL!!

[BillyGman]

Just call her Shirley Muldowny:D

[Dan]

OK, first this....

Oh come on now Dan. Get blown, would ya!

and now THIS!!!....


MEOW!!!! PUUUUURRRRRRR!!!! :D

I gotta take a shower. A cold one. :lol:

[MARAUDERCHICK]

You tell us, I'm sure we'd like to hear some stories. Then again this is a clean site. LOL!!
Hey.....be nice now......:nono:

[MARAUDERCHICK]

Just call her Shirley Muldowny:D

:rock: :rock:OH YEAH!!! :up: :up:

[BillyGman]

:rock: :rock:OH YEAH!!! :up: :up:
Ya see? Who says I don't know what makes the "Georgia Peach" tick?

[Ross]

Getting a little jealous here. 10 more RWHP? Looks good. Does everyone think that the electric water pump will be as good for cooling purposes in the long run as the OEM? I'd like the extra power, but only if the engine cooling doesn't suffer. Just asking since this is a new mod to me. Not too much money, so it could be a future investment if it is as good as it looks. Congratulations, Kathy, now go "spank" Todd with your new HP! Or, with anything else that you like!

[BillyGman]

Me personally, I don't worry about 5 or 10 HP gains, cuz you won't feel such a small gain when you hit the noise pedal. Kathy & Todd have been engaged in a Dyno #'s battle for awhile now, so I understand where she's coming from, but as far as your question about the cooling ability of electric water pumps, some of them are actually better for cooling. As long as the flow rate is good, then it will be more efficient at cooling the engine since the flow rate will not be dependent on the engine RPM as it is w/mechanical pumps.

[Ross]

Thanks, Billy. Being from a "slightly warm" climate, cooling is one of my concerns. That's why I've been watching the threads on DR's cooling mod.

[Haggis]

Me personally, I don't worry about 5 or 10 HP gains, cuz you won't feel such a small gain when you hit the noise pedal. Kathy & Todd have been engaged in a Dyno #'s battle for awhile now, so I understand where she's coming from, but as far as your question about the cooling ability of electric water pumps, some of them are actually better for cooling. As long as the flow rate is good, then it will be more efficient at cooling the engine since the flow rate will not be dependent on the engine RPM as it is w/mechanical pumps.


That's good to know Billy, I will ask a novice question then. Will the electric pump be helpful on an S/C car or does it matter?


...and Kathy I'm always nice. http://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/u/biggrinangel.gif

[MARAUDERCHICK]

...and Kathy I'm always nice. http://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/u/biggrinangel.gif
Who are you trying to convince?????:P

[BillyGman]

Helpfull via means of cooling efficiency, perhaps. But as far as the miniscule HP gain, it's the same S/Ced or N/A.

[BillyGman]

Who are you trying to convince?????:P
He didn't convince me either:D

[MARAUDERCHICK]

Meziere 300 Series Hi-Flow Ford 4.6L Water Pump

Hope this helps answer some of ya'lls questions!;)

Kathy

[Haggis]

Helpfull via means of cooling efficiency, perhaps. But as far as the miniscule HP gain, it's the same S/Ced or N/A.

If the stock is sufficent(?) then don't bother wasting my money?



Who are you trying to convince?????


He didn't convince me either

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[MARAUDERCHICK]

If the stock is sufficent(?) then don't bother wasting my money?
http://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/u/angel.gifhttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/1/slookani.gifhttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/u/angel.gif<-----Now that's more like it!!!!;)

[Haggis]

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/u/angel.gifhttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/1/slookani.gifhttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/u/angel.gif[/QUOTE]<-----Now that's more like it!!!!;)


What can I say, I never grew up. :P

I'm as mischievous now as the day I was born. I just behave better when Chris is around. :D

[woaface]

Well Dan, you avoided it and I just forgot the thread completely...but it could have been worse Dan...at least they forgot in'

[BillyGman]

I wouldn't say that an electric water pump isn't worth the $$. If it's neccessary, I dunno. A matter of opinion perhaps. It would save a little HP ofcourse which is why Kathy bought one. Like I said, it might provide better cooling also. That's just a guess on my part as far as this particular application is concerned.

[MARAUDERCHICK]

According to some literature I read, this electric waterpump has proved engines run cooler at low speeds and gain high end horsepower.

But, like you said, I got it for the extra horsepower. :up:

~Kathy~

[FordNut]

Got mine already! It's a little different from Kathy's. Mine has a black anodized pulley instead of the polished pulley. I like it! It'll be a week or so before I can get it installed.

[RCSignals]

If the stock is sufficent(?) then don't bother wasting my money?







that's right Gordon. Save your £ and buy another kilt instead...

[woaface]

That's right Gordon, I'll need something to wear to MVII if I go!

[mpearce]

Quick question...

Has anyone NOS'd a stock Marauder? Or heard of someone doing that? I'd be curious to see the results NOS alone would have on the stock motor. If anyone has any feedback on this subject...I'd sure like to read it. Thanks.

-Mat

[mpearce]

P.S. If Haggis wears a kilt to Marauderville...then I'll have to as well!

-Mat

[BillyGman]

Uhmm, you might already know this, but there are atleast a couple members on this board who have installed NOS injection systems on their Marauders, but I don't believe either one of them were bone stock before the modification was performed, although both of them do have N/A cars. There are atleast two threads w/"NOS" or "NO2" titles that you can find.

[Haggis]

That's right Gordon, I'll need something to wear to MVII if I go!


We have different Tartans you will need to get a Elliott, from your mother's side of the family. Should not be hard to find.



P.S. If Haggis wears a kilt to Marauderville...then I'll have to as well!

-Mat

Looks like you need to find a kilt before Indy. :lol:

[woaface]

We have different Tartans you will need to get a Elliott, from your mother's side of the family. Should not be hard to find.
Yes yes I know, I was just going to leave it to you...and I was kidding:up:

[MikesMerc]

Another advantage to the electric pump is the ability to run it at the track when the car is shut down after a run, or while in the staging lanes. This can prove to be very helpful even without airflow through the rad. Most of us with the intercooled Trilogy set up run the intercooler pump the same way now. It makes a difference by fighting heat soak.