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Joe Walsh
02-01-2017, 05:23 PM
Turdyota has finally admitted that they make bland road going appliances!


Akio Toyoda has issued a companywide decree for "no more boring cars." And to back it up, the Toyota Motor Corp. president has given designers greater clout than ever.

The shift of power away from engineers delivered its first daring design in the futuristic, fin-tailed 2016 Prius.

Anyone seen one of these hideous POS yet?
I have! .... I didn't think that they could make that little Prius turd any uglier.

I was wrong!

The latest is the 2018 Camry sedan, with its bold proportions and flared sheet metal.

At the Camry's debut this month in Detroit, Toyoda asked the overcapacity crowd if the eighth-generation sedan was sexy or really sexy.

P-ul-LEASE!.....:puke:

It speaks to a dramatic, if risky, move from the ho-hum Toyota of old.

I can't wait for the roads to be clogged with the inevitable Camry 'S'.....OOOOOH!....:bows:

The key to the automaker's styling push is a revamped vehicle-development strategy that elevates a new "product chief designer" to work alongside the chief engineer as equal partners in creating a car.

The idea would have been unthinkable at the world's biggest automaker just a few years ago.

For decades, design was routinely sacrificed at the hands of Toyota's production engineers, a coterie revered internally as "production gods" for their relentless pursuit of efficiency and the brutal veto power they wielded over any product flourish deemed too frivolous for the factory.

But Toyoda, in his own pursuit of sexy cars, has cut them down a notch.

Starting with the fourth-generation Prius, Toyota has overhauled how products are designed. The product chief designer was hatched as a kind of guardian of the styling studio's true intent, shepherding it from the day of the initial sketch to the car's line-off.

The gambit could easily have gone awry.

Camry Chief Engineer Masato Katsumata, who also led development of the current, seventh-generation Camry, remembers the old days of the overlording production gods.

"Normally Toyota styling is not so sexy or three-dimensional. That's because, I'm sorry to say, on the production engineering side, they do not take risks," Katsumata said.

Quality control was job one, and complicated designs that necessitated complicated production methods needlessly raised the danger of defects.

Then there were the added costs of producing complex sheet-metal stamps.

"So then finally, the designer's direction is pulled back," Katsumata said.

It required pressure from the very top to break the mold.

"It basically comes down to someone at the top saying, "We have to do this.' And giving design a much stronger voice than ever before in this company," said Ian Cartabiano, the Toyota design veteran who penned the initial 2-inch sketch of the new Camry in his calendar journal.

"And now, because of Akio, design has a really strong voice," he told Automotive News.

In Detroit, Toyoda conceded, "It's no secret that I like to involve myself in the design process."

But Cartabiano, chief designer at Toyota's Calty studio in California, also played a key role in the change. He pushed the envelope as designer of some of Toyota's most striking recent vehicles, including the Lexus LF-LC concept sport coupe and the Toyota C-HR subcompact crossover.

For the Camry, styling stewardship was entrusted to Akira Kubota as product chief designer. Cartabiano said Kubota faithfully fulfilled his duty of shepherding the original vision.

"We actually started with that 2-inch doodle," Cartabiano said of his calendar book drawing. "And it became sketch, bigger sketch, bigger sketch, model. But that original intention followed all the way through to the cars.

"It was totally new for us," he said. "There's always been a designer, but the chief engineer has been the top guy. It was always just 100 percent engineering."

The Camry was a tough test of Toyota's quest for zest. Go too wild, and the traditionally vanilla family sedan might alienate the masses that have made it America's best-selling car for 15 years straight. Katsumata's Camry development team also wanted to maximize the functionality of the car to counter the public's stampede to utility vehicles.

Designers eschewed the fashion of ever-narrowing greenhouses to create bigger windows and clear visibility, Cartabiano said. Toyota also stretched back the car's roof peak to give more headroom in the rear seat and added 2 inches to the wheelbase to improve rear door access. The trunk lid opens almost past vertical to allow better cargo stowing.

But the Camry makes the biggest waves with its more dynamic exterior contours.

Part of the breakthrough came from Toyoda forcing the change. But new metal-stamping innovations also cleared the way for creating the designers' sharp creases and curvy edges without the splintering of fragile edges in the factory. The advent of high-tensile steel also helped -- as does the fact that Toyota, as one of the world's richest automakers, can afford to splurge on new technologies.

"The fact that production engineering can make the shapes that designers dream about, that's really great for us," Cartabiano said. "I think you're going to see a lot of kick ass products coming out of Toyota in the next couple years. And Camry's a good start."

The problem I see with Terdyota's new philosophy is this:

'Car people' and car enthusiasts are NOT going to flock to Turdyota to buy a razzle dazzle new Camry or Prius.

And all of the faithful Turdyota lemmings most likely will NOT like the razzle dazzle styling on their new Turdyota toasters.

If you've been very successful selling TONS of boring cars to the lemmings...Why screw with success?

Bluerauder
02-01-2017, 05:31 PM
Toyota drivers are the absolute worst on the road .... And have no damn idea where they are going. This is why they buy Toyotas. Corolla is the worst ... Followed by Prius, Camry, and Accord in order. Stupid was bad enough .... Now we'll get stupid and ugly.

RF Overlord
02-01-2017, 05:34 PM
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. When you give stylists too much leeway, they make cars like the Nissan Murano...Subaru Tribeca...Pontiac Aztek...or any of the current Lexus offerings with a front end that looks like Darth Vader's helmet. Them are some truly hideous cars...

Joe Walsh
02-01-2017, 05:38 PM
Toyota drivers are the absolute worst on the road .... And have no damn idea where they are going. This is why they buy Toyotas. Corolla is the worst ... Followed by Prius, Camry, and Accord in order. Stupid was bad enough .... Now we'll get stupid and ugly.


LOL...

I agree 100% Charlie!!

I once thought that it was a tie between Terdyota and Honda for the stupidest car owners on the road
(not drivers...because that would imply some type of control over their vehicle)
....but Terdyota owners have proven to be the most asinine, oblivious, distracted morons on the road!

Joe Walsh
02-01-2017, 05:40 PM
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. When you give stylists too much leeway, they make cars like the Nissan Murano...Subaru Tribeca...Pontiac Aztek...
or any of the current Lexus offerings with a front end that looks like Darth Vader's helmet. Them are some truly hideous cars...

So true!

I have to stifle my gag reflex everytime I see a Lexus....:puke:

Gawd Awful UGLY pieces of sheetmetal and plastic!

Bigslim1
02-01-2017, 05:44 PM
Anyone that knows me knows that I have not been a fan of foreign cars in the past. My thoughts have change over the last couple of years on this matter. I was never a fan of the Camry. I remember when there was a class action suit brought to Toyota about the 3.0 liter engines that were in many of their products including the Camry. With that being said I must say that the new Camry is not that bad of a design. Yes it still looks very Asian but at least they tried to put a little, even if it is a little bit of personality in it. Looks as good as the bland but popular Accord. Would I buy one, probably not. I think that one of the best design studios is own by none other than Hyundai and Kia. The new Kia Stinger will be a huge hit for them.

BTW, the worst drivers are the RAM Truck guys that think their "Hemi" can propel around any disaster or obstacle.

RF Overlord
02-01-2017, 05:51 PM
Don't even get me started on BMW drivers...arrogant asshats.

tbone
02-01-2017, 06:03 PM
I like the "question mark" tail lights on the new Prius. The question is, why did you buy that THING?

Turbov6Bryan
02-01-2017, 06:06 PM
My dads Camry has 330k and runs like a top! Few timing belts, some plugs lots of tires and still knocks out 28mpg

He drives his marauder and turbo regal like a *******! Camry not so much

CoreyM75
02-01-2017, 07:04 PM
It could be worse, Elio's could actually get produced.

Mr. Man
02-01-2017, 07:25 PM
Haven't seen a good looking car come out of Japan in a long time. A couple of 'cute' ones but nothing that made me want to go buy one. Bought a Titan in 2008 because of value and options for the money vs. looks. It's OK looking but it's not going to win any beauty awards.

Ambitious1
02-01-2017, 09:46 PM
...or any of the current Lexus offerings with a front end that looks like Darth Vader's helmet...

That's awesome! I knew it reminded me of something, I just couldn't put my finger on it until now! :D

Marauderjack
02-02-2017, 03:48 AM
What about this beauty??:run:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nissan+Juke&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1qoyQnvHRAhWCQCYKH Q_3DtsQsAQIpQE&biw=1920&bih=950

And this thing??:shake:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nissan+Juke&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1qoyQnvHRAhWCQCYKH Q_3DtsQsAQIpQE&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=nissan+cube

Joe Walsh
02-02-2017, 04:19 AM
What about this beauty??:run:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nissan+Juke&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1qoyQnvHRAhWCQCYKH Q_3DtsQsAQIpQE&biw=1920&bih=950

And this thing??:shake:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nissan+Juke&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1qoyQnvHRAhWCQCYKH Q_3DtsQsAQIpQE&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=nissan+cube


Ahhhhh.....The Nissan Puke and the Nissan Pube!

Yes, two more hideous examples of 'sexy' styling ... :puke:

71cyclone
02-03-2017, 06:29 AM
Well on the NASCAR end of the world JOE GIBBS looks at thing differently [ but Toyo pays him to play ]

Joe Walsh
02-03-2017, 04:25 PM
Well on the NASCAR end of the world JOE GIBBS looks at thing differently [ but Toyo pays him to play ]

Oh JEEZ!

Don't get me started on Terdyota in NASCAR....using 'their' 5.7L pushrod V8 that they've offered in their passenger cars for yearrrrrs.......YEAH!....Right !

:shake:

They get to pick the best features from every other manufacturer's existing V8 designs.....
and then develop their own V8 design which they have NEVER offered in ANY form in ANY Terdyota passenger car.

Money talks......
and Terdyota has plenty of that from selling boring 4 cylinder appliances to the lemmings.

BAD MERC
02-03-2017, 04:46 PM
I laugh at my brother for his '11 Prius. He used it for ALL highway driving so the Hybrid aspect is a moot point. At 190,000 miles it wouldn't start. Hmmmm.... Right to Toyota for a $1,830 bill. So much for gas savings.


In about 1988 I had a '79 Celica Liftback 5 speed. GREAT CAR!!! Then managed to score an '84 Supra with a 5 speed and sunroof.

I remember Toyota pickup ads that boasted mileages of 300,000 up to a 800,000 miles.

Toyota really does build appliances in three sizes now.

Joe Walsh
02-03-2017, 08:06 PM
I laugh at my brother for his '11 Prius.
He used it for ALL highway driving so the Hybrid aspect is a moot point.
At 190,000 miles it wouldn't start.
Hmmmm.... Right to Toyota for a $1,830 bill.
So much for gas savings.


Yep...I've listened to lots of people, who drive a majority miles on the highway , tell me how great their Hybrid Terdyota is.....

I'm like WTF!?
You are dragging a very expensive, and heavy battery around...... for NOTHING!

justbob
02-03-2017, 08:16 PM
Yep...I've listened to lots of people, who drive a majority miles on the highway , tell me how great their Hybrid Terdyota is.....



I'm like WTF!?

You are dragging a very expensive, and heavy battery around...... for NOTHING!



I just wish that them ***holes with Prius's and their coveted "green car" special license plates weren't allowed in the hammer lane! I got stuck behind another clueless asshat in a Prius hogging the lane at 70 today..

To get a tree hugger plate there should be rules about being in a lane that you have NO business in if your really about saving dollars and trees and stuffs.


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Mr. Man
02-03-2017, 10:59 PM
I get passed all the time by Prius drivers doing 80-85+mph. NJ is 65mph. I do about 70mph or my *****ty mpg's really get *****ty. Where is all the fuel mileage savings coming from in a Prius if your going to wind it out to redline on the highway?

Joe Walsh
02-04-2017, 08:02 AM
I just wish that them ***holes with Prius's and their coveted "green car" special license plates weren't allowed in the hammer lane!
I got stuck behind another clueless asshat in a Prius hogging the lane at 70 today..

To get a tree hugger plate there should be rules about being in a lane that you have NO business in if your really about saving dollars and trees and stuffs.


IIRC....(Charlie can confirm this)
They rescinded the Hybrid Prius exemption to use 'HOV' lanes in our area because so many Hybrid Prius' were clogging the HOV lanes!


BTW: I'm starting work on my own 'Hybrid' .....
It's my old '85 Mustang GT hybridized with a Coyote crate motor and a 6 speed!
I think that I'll call it the 'Tin Can Coyote' because these old 4 eyed Fox bodies are as light as a tin can. (500+ lbs lighter than the current Mustangs...:eek:)

Black&Gifted
02-04-2017, 03:44 PM
Don't even get me started on BMW drivers...arrogant asshats.



The difference between a cactus and a bmw is the cactus has the pricks on the outside.

This is coming from a multiple bmw owner lol.


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Joe Walsh
02-12-2017, 05:54 PM
Toyota drivers are the absolute worst on the road ....
And have no damn idea where they are going.
This is why they buy Toyotas.
Corolla is the worst ... Followed by Prius, Camry, and Accord in order. Stupid was bad enough .... Now we'll get stupid and ugly.

So True Charlie!!

"I own a Terdyota 4WD SUV so I can go fast in the snow!........DOH!"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/10/snowy-roads-speed-factors-in-suv-crash-into-house.html





:bigcry: