Moss's LS1 Impala SS

[gonzo50]

The front-wheel drive 2000 Impala platform with a production Corvette engine that was modified to fit in the chassis and work with the FWD running gear. :( Drivetrain; Aluminum 5.7 LS1 16-Valve Pushrod Engine, 4T65-E Four-Speed Automatic Transaxle; Displacement: 5.7 / 346 Cu.In. Torque: 382.2 Ibs.-ft. @ 4600 Rpm: Horsepower: 371.9 bhp @ 5500 Rpm. You must ask yourself if this is really possible: Check out this web site www.gmhightechperformance.com. Has the Marauder meet his match, if so, when? :mad:

[MAD-3R]

If its FWD, then it isn't even in the same class.

[LCpl Retired]

wow

if the deville northstar torque steers you right into oncoming traffic with full throttle manual upshifts...that thing should be able to fly you right into a utility pole on the other side of the street....

[Fourth Horseman]

I'm not down with the front wheel drive, but I have to say the car is pretty impressive. Even if it was in production I wouldn't have snagged one over the Marauder, but I like the LT1 and the exterior look. I think the interior could do with some changes to better fit the performance image, though.

[LincMercLover]

:uzi: New SS

Ford left Chevy alone when they had their 90's SS's, now why do they want back in when it's ONLY us right now? Hmm...:shake:

[bnvus]

Yawn!!

It will never meet the expextations that rear wheel drive have achieved.

[b4z]

That car will never be built and was shown about 18-24 months ago.
Does anybody here really think the 4T65E will handle the torque of a V8?

The SS will be built but it will have the engine from the Pontiac GTP.

[Billatpro]

If they dropped the motor from a Super Stallion in this piece of S*** it would still be a piece of S*** Our SS bros must be close to still born right now over this one.

[Bob Mathis]

It's still FWD and that to me is not the right think to do.

[schuvwj]

I'll pass!

[RCSignals]

Here's GMs answer to the Marauder, but they now are backpedalling on that


GM muscles back into nostalgia marketing

Mighty GTO is set to roar into production
January 3, 2003

BY JEFFREY MCCRACKEN
DETROIT FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

LOS ANGELES -- Hoping to capitalize on the American infatuation with sports cars of yore, General Motors Corp. will unveil at the Greater Los Angeles Auto Show today a new version of the Pontiac GTO, the famous muscle car put out to pasture almost 30 years ago.

FIRST GTO FACTS
The first GTO was a Pontiac Tempest, which began production in 1961, with the option of a Pontiac 389-cubic-inch V8 engine. The engine was used in some of Pontiac's full-size models.

The 1964 GTO base price was $2,852, and a convertible would run you nearly $3,500.

Plans were to produce 5,000 units in 1964, but sales shot past 32,000.

In 1966, the Tempest option was dropped and a completely new design gave birth to the Pontiac GTO.

The average price for a vintage GTO, in show car condition, is $12,000 to more than $19,000.

The name was borrowed from Ferrari, which had a short production run (40) of sports racing cars of the same name in 1962. GTO stands for Gran Turismo Omologato, or Grand Touring Homologated in English, a fancy way of saying it was approved for certain classes of international sports car racing.
Sources: Ferrariclub.com, Free Press research

The GTO goes into production in September and is expected to be in dealerships around November. GM hopes to sell at least 18,000 of them a year, priced in the $30,000 to $35,000 range.

"We think we have a halo car that epitomizes Pontiac. It's a modern interpretation of the GTO, and we're hoping the enthusiasts like it," said Lynn Myers, Pontiac-GMC general manager.

The GTO was first introduced in 1964 as a high-performance option on the Pontiac Tempest. Over the years, it became a muscle car legend and enshrined in pop culture by Jan & Dean and others.

GM sold 500,000 Pontiac GTOs until production on it ended in 1974 as fuel-economy concerns lowered demand for muscle cars.

Ironically, for a car that became such a part of Americana, GM found the next GTO in Australia at its Holden subsidiary. The new GTO is an Australian vehicle called the Holden Monaro, which will undergo a number of modifications for safety items and other accessories for the American market. It will be made at the plant in Elizabeth, Australia.

Originally, GM engineering and design executives thought the rear-drive performance coupe Monaro could be an appropriate replacement for the Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird, two models GM recently stopped producing.

In February, GM officials like Vice Chairman Robert Lutz began considering the Monaro for a new generation of the GTO, which GM had been looking to build for several years. In June, GM announced its decision publicly.

"It was approved to be the next GTO in April. Pontiac had been looking for a GTO and we felt this fit," said Jerry Gillespie, vehicle line engineer on the GTO. "We had to make a lot of changes . . . to bring it over here."

The new GTO will use a 5.7-liter, V8 aluminum-block engine estimated to produce 340 horsepower. The engine, manufactured at the St. Catharines plant in Canada, shares the same basic configuration of the engine in the Corvette, though it has been modified to increase airflow and create greater horsepower.

The GTO comes in either a four-speed automatic transmission or a six-speed manual transmission.

"It will go from 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds and have a top speed of 160 miles per hour," said Myers. "It will be the fastest GTO we've ever produced."

Even though the GTO is a car from GM's past, the automaker did not choose to create a retro car that harkens back to the GTO's glory days. This contrasts with Ford Motor Co., which created the new Thunderbird with models from the 1950s in mind.

"No, it's not retro at all. We wanted something that had broader appeal than the Firebird and a family resemblance to the Grand Prix or Bonneville," said Bob Kraut, marketing director for the Grand Prix, Bonneville and GTO.

The GTO will be available in seven different colors and four different interiors. It seats four in leather bucket seats.

Among the standard features are a six-disc CD changer with a 10-speaker sound system, dual front air bags, side air bags and keyless entry.

Notice the referesnces to it's performance are not "It is" and "it goes"

to me, the car looks too insipid, like all the other current Pontiacs

[Mark McQuaide]

Nice looking Grand Am

[BeaSStMaster]

Even with Jon Moss involved in the project ... and even if they shoe-horned an LS1 into the engine cavity ... it's still a Shrimpala ... a Wimpala ... which doesn't deserve the badge. Real muscle cars need more than a V8 to claim the title. FWD Muscle Car? Hah!

[gja]

RC...
Just an FYI:
Omologato means "accredited" in italian. So that may make for an easier understanding of the badge GTO.

On another note I agree completely that is looks like another cookie-cutter souless FWD grocery-getter. The styling likely took the group about 30 minutes to bang out. Just what the american public needs, another over-engined FWD piece of junk.

[RCSignals]

yes, at least the GTO is RWD though. To do that they had to pick up the Holden platform from (GM)Austrailia

[teamrope]

Even with Jon Moss involved in the project ... and even if they shoe-horned an LS1 into the engine cavity ... it's still a Shrimpala ... a Wimpala ... which doesn't deserve the badge. Real muscle cars need more than a V8 to claim the title. FWD Muscle Car? Hah!

Maybe they can get it to do a wheel stand in reverse :lol: :D

[uwsacf]

Mr. Moss is retired now kids...