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PHHHHTT
07-01-2017, 09:59 PM
I think I recall one of our more experienced members stating that to have a Trilogy M112 produce 500 rwhp would be tough on the unit (having to spin it excessively thus making a lot of heat).

I would like to hear from other's who can speak of their experiences....

Has anyone ported a Trilogy then be able to make 500 or more rwhp while feeling the unit was not being overworked?

And if you had the option, would you get a new Trilogy (well, original and never installed) ported before it's initial installation? This is assuming you would have the engine's rotating assembly and other minimal required upgrades completed at time of the Trilogy installation?

Thanks!

mm svt
07-01-2017, 11:04 PM
Not much is minimal,

Spectragod
07-02-2017, 03:34 AM
I'm 521, but I have a Trilogy twin screw. It's not ported


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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 04:55 AM
My Trilogy is being ported at this time. Upper and lower pulley combos will determine final power and finding upper pulleys is difficult as trilogy nor magnuson make them any longer and Metco no longer makes the lower. They do come up for sale from time to time.

I am hoping for 480-500rwhp range. I am changing intercoolers and adding a killer chiller to combat heat issues. Will mine be overspinning the blower? my guess is yes. I'm hoping this can be done and not exceed 15 psi. My car is not daily driven, nor raced.

Should know more later this month, the porting shop is taking his time and is behind, of course I am having mine rebuilt and powdercoated a different color from the trilogy silver which is adding alot of time than estimated.

RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 05:10 AM
Magnuson actually did a great job building Trilogy blowers, their castings inside are quite smooth and require min. if any work. The case is an eaton case and gets the usual porting work done. How much hp do you think porting is going to add? In reality it adds efficiency, which helps create hp. but it will not be adding 50-60 ponies.

Trilogy's real bottle neck is the plenum and rear elbow. They are small to fit under the hood and be driver side inlet..Only so much air is going to pumped thru them. Porting does help keep the cfm up and reduce some heat as the air has les friction before being compressed

Spectragod
07-02-2017, 05:26 AM
Trilogy's real bottle neck is the plenum and rear elbow. They are small to fit under the hood and be driver side inlet..Only so much air is going to pumped thru them.


^^^this^^^ 16PSI is the max you'll get on the stock inlet and elbow, a couple of us have looked at modifying them, cost isn't worth the gain.

2.9 whipple is the answer for a street car, something that you can dedicate race fuel or E85 to....... the sky's the limit.




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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 05:39 AM
Here is an example of a twin screw and a rotary..both Trilogy..Darren is at 521 rwhp with 13psi on Lysholm 2.3 Twin screw, Mine is at 455 rwhp on a plain ole 1.9 Trilogy at 13-13.5 psi.

Now, Darren is prolly more than 521 by now since he has done a pulley change and has a bigger motor built as well.

I wanted to go whipple/tvs but a new one of those is $3500 plus cost of moving stuff to pass. side inlet etc etc. rebuild and porting was a third of that cost which allowed me to do other upgrades I wanted at same time. so it is what it is..It all depends on $$$$.

Spectragod
07-02-2017, 06:22 AM
I actually switched back to my 3.25" pulley for 13lbs as I don't have a clue when I will be able to retune the car.

521 on the street with DR's and I can light tires at will, not sure if that's a good thing for sure. A centri would eliminate a lot of that, but then a new tq converter, tune etc. will be needed.

I say "F" it, its faster than 90+% of the cars on the street, why throw another 10-20k at something that I'm already buried in......

If you want fast, buy a Demon, in the end, it will be less money and way faster, win win, unless you need 4 doors and are planning on daily driving it.


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Turbov6Bryan
07-02-2017, 07:45 AM
OP
I assume you don't even have the blower kit yet, why not just go whipple and shoot for 600hp?

Henry
07-02-2017, 08:06 AM
Mine with elbow and plenum just got ported and should be at powdercoat next week according to the porter. It should easily be doable. Many cobras are at 500+ wheel with a ported blower, upper only, exhaust, pump gas and stock unopened engine. Some are 600+ with cams and e85. If a upgraded engine was assembled with flat tops (10.1-10.5 compression) and custom cams, 500 would be a walk in the park on 93 through an automatic. I'm not sure on the actual flow numbers for the elbow or plenum of the trilogy for efficiency compared to the cobra, but the trilogy/mp112 case is considerably more efficient due to feeding both rotors equally from the back which should result in more horsepower if properly set up.

blkZooM
07-02-2017, 08:09 AM
Here is an example of a twin screw and a rotary..both Trilogy..Darren is at 521 rwhp with 13psi on Lysholm 2.3 Twin screw, Mine is at 455 rwhp on a plain ole 1.9 Trilogy at 13-13.5 psi.
You are most likely make more torque though than a twin screw that is being spun at 13 psi and that is what you really feel unless all you care about is peak numbers.


I wanted to go whipple/tvs but a new one of those is $3500 plus cost of moving stuff to pass. side inlet etc etc. rebuild and porting was a third of that cost which allowed me to do other upgrades I wanted at same time. so it is what it is..It all depends on $$$$.
You trilogy guys with Eaton that would like to upgrade to a bigger blower should really contact Cobra Engineering and speak to him about making a custom plate specifically for the trilogy lower intake. He's extremely easy to talk to and willing to help make something for everybody and isn't crazy expensive.

There is a 2.7 TVS blower coming out for the GT500 and lots of people will be selling their 2.3 TVS for cheap to upgrade to them, scoop them up and enjoy a blower that comparable to 2.9 Whipple but cheaper and be happy.


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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 08:10 AM
The MP112 case may be better but the Trilogy inlet size/plenum is not..it has been proven already. Plus Trilogy has a twin bore inlet which again does not help.

RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 08:12 AM
The Trilogy lower intake is a factory Cobra lower intake, it's not special

blkZooM
07-02-2017, 08:13 AM
Mine with elbow and plenum just got ported and should be at powdercoat next week according to the porter. It should easily be doable. Many cobras are at 500+ wheel with a ported blower, upper only, exhaust, pump gas and stock unopened engine. Some are 600+ with cams and e85. If a upgraded engine was assembled with flat tops (10.1-10.5 compression) and custom cams, 500 would be a walk in the park on 93 through an automatic. I'm not sure on the actual flow numbers for the elbow or plenum of the trilogy for efficiency compared to the cobra, but the trilogy/mp112 case is considerably more efficient due to feeding both rotors equally from the back which should result in more horsepower if properly set up.



Cobras are also manual which dyno higher, 500 with a Eaton trilogy in our cars isn't that easy.


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blkZooM
07-02-2017, 08:18 AM
The Trilogy lower intake is a factory Cobra lower intake, it's not special


I thought there was a slight difference between the two, if true that they are the same that's even better as the plate already exist, buy the plate bolt the intercooler underneath the plate, new blower on top extend some wires and get a tune.


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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 08:27 AM
My upgrades are already in play, not spending anymore to do it again. Time to save for another toy. And it still takes fab work to put a driver side inlet on to have pulleys match up. its not plug and play. Im not interested in doing a short block and a new trans. 550+ hp gonna break stock stuff. mine already has forged rods and pistons, but not crank..not pulling motor.

Lowndex
07-02-2017, 09:31 AM
The Trilogy lower intake is a factory Cobra lower intake, it's not special

It is once you try to buy a used one in good condition. The first one I bought turned out to be crap. Fortunately, the next one is like new. Sent out to be anodized and prep'd for blower installation.

blkZooM
07-02-2017, 09:33 AM
My upgrades are already in play, not spending anymore to do it again. Time to save for another toy. And it still takes fab work to put a driver side inlet on to have pulleys match up. its not plug and play. Im not interested in doing a short block and a new trans. 550+ hp gonna break stock stuff. mine already has forged rods and pistons, but not crank..not pulling motor.



What fab work would need to be done? I also assumed you had a built motor


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PHHHHTT
07-02-2017, 09:34 AM
Thanks guy for all your responses! I will be definitely referring to what you have provided once my build gets going.

A little background on what I have at this time may help clarify responses. I have an '04 with over 77K miles. Engine is stock and in good shape, trans is shot. I have spoken with 88 gran marquis about a build earlier, I am now where I can proceed with that. I purchased Trilogy Kit #237 when Jerry announced he was discontinuing the kits. Had to pull a number of strings to make that happen and of course, make good on my end of the deal. In the mean time, I bought a Metco kit for the Trilogy, Bob from New Brockton sold me his unused Stainless Works headers w/other a few items for them (Tha you, Bob). Mo's will be where to go for tuning work.

Would like to upgrade engine internals while trans is out, may be able to do it but not sure at this time. Really want to install Trilogy once trans is fixed, but I know me. I'm sure I'll would eventually blow the engine if it isn't ready for the Trilogy. So in the mean time, I follow all the info you guys graciously provide, hoping to apply it when I start my build.

But having read about the Trilogy and heat issues, I got to considering porting but since my Trilogy is "new", would that be concern? I want to hit 500 rwhp but not damaged or expect too much from the Trilogy if it can't realistically get there.

My biggest reason for not proceeding sooner with all this? My 14 GT500 came about not long after my obligations for the Trilogy were complete and it is still a draw on finances. But not complaining, I'm to glad to have both.

Lowndex
07-02-2017, 09:47 AM
Thanks guy for all your responses! I will be definitely referring to what you have provided once my build gets going.

A little background on what I have at this time may help clarify responses. I have an '04 with over 77K miles. Engine is stock and in good shape, trans is shot. I have spoken with 88 gran marquis about a build earlier, I am now where I can proceed with that. I purchased Trilogy Kit #237 when Jerry announced he was discontinuing the kits. Had to pull a number of strings to make that happen and of course, make good on my end of the deal. In the mean time, I bought a Metco kit for the Trilogy, Bob from New Brockton sold me his unused Stainless Works headers w/other a few items for them (Tha you, Bob). Mo's will be where to go for tuning work.

Would like to upgrade engine internals while trans is out, may be able to do it but not sure at this time. Really want to install Trilogy once trans is fixed, but I know me. I'm sure I'll would eventually blow the engine if it isn't ready for the Trilogy. So in the mean time, I follow all the info you guys graciously provide, hoping to apply it when I start my build.

But having read about the Trilogy and heat issues, I got to considering porting but since my Trilogy is "new", would that be concern? I want to hit 500 rwhp but not damaged or expect too much from the Trilogy if it can't realistically get there.

My biggest reason for not proceeding sooner with all this? My 14 GT500 came about not long after my obligations for the Trilogy were complete and it is still a draw on finances. But not complaining, I'm to glad to have both.

Before you start adding power to a stock motor with 77,000 miles, have you assessed the motor, transmission and suspension needs to support 5-- rwhp?; not nice-to-haves, but needs. Else, you may ruin an engine or more.

You can get professional advice here to upgrades needed and the order to implement. Forged engine internals, ported and polished heads, high quality rocker followers, etc.. - stuff like that. No offense if you know all of this. I am a novice and rely heavily on the pros here - they know their sheet, bra. :bows:

PHHHHTT
07-02-2017, 10:16 AM
Lowndex,

You are correct about ruining a good engine not prepped for a Trilogy, one reason why I have waited so long to install. I already did the first thing most people do with a Trilogy on a stock Marauder, my trans is dead. Since I got that over with, it will be built to handle more than I expect to send to it. Suspension at this time is not a concern. But as many members have experienced and warned, it will be addressed.

If I have to make a choice, I want to perform as many upgrades as I can afford when the engine is disassembled and accessible. Other upgrades that can be performed with the engine assembled and in the car I would probably have to get to later.

Again, I appreciate everyones' responses.

RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 10:20 AM
What fab work would need to be done? I also assumed you had a built motor


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tvs snout is different than trilogy, i have no idea if the pulleys line up. just sayin. yes,previous owner put diamond pistons and eagle rods in.

RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 10:22 AM
It is once you try to buy a used one in good condition. The first one I bought turned out to be crap. Fortunately, the next one is like new. Sent out to be anodized and prep'd for blower installation.

this makes no sense.. my post was strictly stating that trilogy lower intake and cobra lower intake is the same. not what is avail. used. for a blower install you cant get legal in Cali....

Spectragod
07-02-2017, 10:23 AM
I made 472 rwhp on a stock block with a twin screw, good luck making 500 and having the motor live.

500 does however seem to be a special #, wtfo?


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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 10:52 AM
Thanks guy for all your responses! I will be definitely referring to what you have provided once my build gets going.

A little background on what I have at this time may help clarify responses. I have an '04 with over 77K miles. Engine is stock and in good shape, trans is shot. I have spoken with 88 gran marquis about a build earlier, I am now where I can proceed with that. I purchased Trilogy Kit #237 when Jerry announced he was discontinuing the kits. Had to pull a number of strings to make that happen and of course, make good on my end of the deal. In the mean time, I bought a Metco kit for the Trilogy, Bob from New Brockton sold me his unused Stainless Works headers w/other a few items for them (Tha you, Bob). Mo's will be where to go for tuning work.

Would like to upgrade engine internals while trans is out, may be able to do it but not sure at this time. Really want to install Trilogy once trans is fixed, but I know me. I'm sure I'll would eventually blow the engine if it isn't ready for the Trilogy. So in the mean time, I follow all the info you guys graciously provide, hoping to apply it when I start my build.

But having read about the Trilogy and heat issues, I got to considering porting but since my Trilogy is "new", would that be concern? I want to hit 500 rwhp but not damaged or expect too much from the Trilogy if it can't realistically get there.

My biggest reason for not proceeding sooner with all this? My 14 GT500 came about not long after my obligations for the Trilogy were complete and it is still a draw on finances. But not complaining, I'm to glad to have both.


Porting requires a complete tear down of blower, It's hard to say if porting it "new" is worth it..Call up and talk to (if you are lucky to get them on the phone) the porting guys. 500 on a trilogy is hard to get. I know of 2 with over 500 on the regular trilogy, not twin screw. What upper and lower pulleys do you have ?

If you are not going to do motor, then just slap it on and go with 425 rwhp. range.

MOTOWN
07-02-2017, 11:08 AM
Get an Eaton M122 and adapter plate and you will make 500 no problem!

blkZooM
07-02-2017, 11:09 AM
tvs snout is different than trilogy, i have no idea if the pulleys line up. just sayin. yes,previous owner put diamond pistons and eagle rods in.



Cobra Engineering provides a longer shaft that allows anyone who is using the TVS or a M122 stock pulley alignment. Also you would need to use a billetflow hub and pulley. Her is an example https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170702/323ef362fb70ebae15236ee2430a9a 48.jpg

This really isn't a hard upgrade.


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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 11:18 AM
Cobra Engineering provides a longer shaft that allows anyone who is using the TVS or a M122 stock pulley alignment. Also you would need to use a billetflow hub and pulley. Her is an example https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170702/323ef362fb70ebae15236ee2430a9a 48.jpg

This really isn't a hard upgrade.


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That pic is not a Marauder..I never said it was hard, just said it was not just slap it on..Trilogy and eaton swap pulley brackets are NOT the same length. Half inch difference, I believe.

I have not seen a right side TVS on a Marauder yet, only pass. side.

Be the first, I'm not changing my plans..car is already torn down, blower is at shop etc.. parts already bought and paid for. I don't do my own work, don't have space nor knowledge for this. I have to pay to play

PHHHHTT
07-02-2017, 11:34 AM
Courtesy of blkZooM:

"There is a 2.7 TVS blower coming out for the GT500 and lots of people will be selling their 2.3 TVS for cheap to upgrade to them, scoop them up and enjoy a blower that comparable to 2.9 Whipple but cheaper and be happy"

Get a new 2.7 TVS for GT500, take 2.3 TVS from GT500 to Marauder, hmmm......

Hate to not use Trilogy though.

RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 12:28 PM
Courtesy of blkZooM:

"There is a 2.7 TVS blower coming out for the GT500 and lots of people will be selling their 2.3 TVS for cheap to upgrade to them, scoop them up and enjoy a blower that comparable to 2.9 Whipple but cheaper and be happy"

Get a new 2.7 TVS for GT500, take 2.3 TVS from GT500 to Marauder, hmmm......

Hate to not use Trilogy though.

if you dont build motor, no sense in going 2.3

It is a plan, and trilogy is worth something even without whole kit.

blkZooM
07-02-2017, 01:03 PM
if you dont build motor, no sense in going 2.3



It is a plan, and trilogy is worth something even without whole kit.



A TVS @ 8 psi is still better than a trilogy pullied to the moon.


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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 01:30 PM
A TVS @ 8 psi is still better than a trilogy pullied to the moon.


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show me numbers...proof is in the pudding. mine won't be pullied to the moon. my trilogy is long paid for and i wont buy used blower from an unknown. don't know why you keep pushing tvs when the op has a new in box trilogy paid for. he asked about trilogy upgrades, not changing blowers.

what blower do you have?

blkZooM
07-02-2017, 02:45 PM
show me numbers...proof is in the pudding. mine won't be pullied to the moon. my trilogy is long paid for and i wont buy used blower from an unknown. don't know why you keep pushing tvs when the op has a new in box trilogy paid for. he asked about trilogy upgrades, not changing blowers.



what blower do you have?



Non ported M122 is what I have with a 2.65 Upper pulley and stock size lower "should" be making about 12 psi if my math is right.

I'm simply informing (not pushing) him that he has options for bigger blower to hit his targeted number a lot easier than with a M112, and wouldn't be working it half has hard. I don't know what numbers you want but the information is all on the internet what these TVS blowers are capable of, better than the similar size 2.3 blowers and can hold their own against 2.9 whipple.

Ask all the Eaton swap guys who bought a blower from an "unknown" how theirs are going.. seeing complaints seems to be a rare/non existent thing on here.

Yes he has a trilogy kit but why stay with the old when there is a ton a new technology that makes more power than he will ever really need and all it really is, is simply extended some cords, adding a plate and buying some brackets from Jerry.

Relax man, no need to get defensive. I'm just informing him he has options which is rare when it comes to our old cars that's all.


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justbob
07-02-2017, 03:40 PM
^^^this^^^ 16PSI is the max you'll get on the stock inlet and elbow, a couple of us have looked at modifying them, cost isn't worth the gain.

2.9 whipple is the answer for a street car, something that you can dedicate race fuel or E85 to....... the sky's the limit.




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Yes and no. I managed to get 20.5 out of a non ported Trilogy and ended up with a whopping 460...

16 is probably the max efficient number (if there is an efficient number out of a Heaton..), anything after that you will lose power and gain uber stupid BTU's..!


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RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 03:51 PM
Yes and no. I managed to get 20.5 out of a non ported Trilogy and ended up with a whopping 460...

16 is probably the max efficient number (if there is an efficient number out of a Heaton..), anything after that you will lose power and gain uber stupid BTU's..!


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did you have your cams at the 20 psi? cams can also lose power I've been told more thwn once.

RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2017, 03:58 PM
Non ported M122 is what I have with a 2.65 Upper pulley and stock size lower "should" be making about 12 psi if my math is right.

I'm simply informing (not pushing) him that he has options for bigger blower to hit his targeted number a lot easier than with a M112, and wouldn't be working it half has hard. I don't know what numbers you want but the information is all on the internet what these TVS blowers are capable of, better than the similar size 2.3 blowers and can hold their own against 2.9 whipple.

Ask all the Eaton swap guys who bought a blower from an "unknown" how theirs are going.. seeing complaints seems to be a rare/non existent thing on here.

Yes he has a trilogy kit but why stay with the old when there is a ton a new technology that makes more power than he will ever really need and all it really is, is simply extended some cords, adding a plate and buying some brackets from Jerry.

Relax man, no need to get defensive. I'm just informing him he has options which is rare when it comes to our old cars that's all.


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yes, the cars are old tech and trilogies are old tech and the trans doesnt hold up to alot of power driving. Jerry may not make thoze brackets forever...

Its hard to buy a $6500 blower only to buy another $3500 blower and $600 plate.

if i was spending that, i would want 550 +rwhp. I understand what you are posting . if i could start all over right now. i would do it differently. happy for what i have.:beer:

PHHHHTT
07-02-2017, 04:23 PM
Where as blkZooM is making valid points, RubberCtyRauder is describing things that are my reality. The Trilogy is paid for and I can't start over. I'll have to do the best with what I have and apply the info that is tried and true. I know I can't afford to relearn what others did the hard way. I'll use what's been shared related to what I'm doing that is within my means, but try to stretch to acheive a better end result

lji372
07-02-2017, 06:35 PM
I do believe Racerx was 516hp with an Eaton.
Do not know the entire build :dunno:

justbob
07-02-2017, 07:36 PM
did you have your cams at the 20 psi? cams can also lose power I've been told more thwn once.



Yes and not degreed.

Too many variables with cams, LT's, weather, etc. to give actual numbers on any set up.

BUT, I can say the blower ran so hot it was scorching the paint and even leaving mild burn marks on the case between the rotors.. Be careful with excess boost!


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BUCKWHEAT
07-02-2017, 07:47 PM
Since Lidio did a built engine for me in 2011 (with that dyno #), I had Stiegemeier port the Trilogy since it was getting long in the tooth. Stiegie used a 3.6 upper with the normal Trilogy lower keeping down to 13.5 max boost, dropping off to 12.5 at 6200 WOT on my stroker. Car has run into the 11's. Now my challenge is to get enough fuel into my 60# injectors w/o maxing the fuel pump duty cycle, and then retune for my new TC.
Bottom line, you can get to your 500 rwhp on a Trilogy and not blow up your aluminum block with forged internals.

sailsmen
07-03-2017, 07:13 AM
The IAT is a factor.

Generating power on a Dyno and driving on the Street or Track are not the same.

So many "Tuners" change the Tune before it gets off the Dyno.:mad:

PHHHHTT
07-04-2017, 01:25 PM
Buckwheat, thanks for responding.

Your experiences are what I hoped could be accomplished. I know the engine has to be built to withstand the hp levels, I see your set up list displacement at 5.0. May be a stroker kit would be advantageous while I'm getting forged internals (thought I think I recall Zack and another member discussing displacement vs boost comparison for power). I trust Justbob statements about excessive boost. Are there concerns about the limits of displacement a Trilogy can support?

RubberCtyRauder, you earlier asked which pullies I have. I only have what is supplied in the Trilogy kit. With the Metco kit, options may become available. I saw the recent thread about heat exchangers and choices for that. I plan adding a Killer Chiller kit as well.

I have a copy of Sean Hyland's book on 4.6 liter Ford's, had it a few years. I thought I remember folks saying some info in the book is misleading. Does anyone recall that as well? Are there other sources of info on building our engines that surpasses this book?

Thanks again for everyone's responses.

mm svt
07-04-2017, 03:49 PM
[QUOTE=PHHHHTT

I have a copy of Sean Hyland's book on 4.6 liter Ford's, had it a few years. I thought I remember folks saying some info in the book is misleading. Does anyone recall that as well? Are there other sources of info on building our engines that surpasses this book?

Thanks again for everyone's responses.[/QUOTE]


The book isn't exactly going to give you step by step engine assembly w/ specs for your application. It was written and updated prior to 03.


http://terminator-cobra.com/Cobra_Engine_Assembly.pdf

Try this and links from the site

PHHHHTT
07-04-2017, 07:15 PM
Thank you, mm svt!

Very much appreciated!

mm svt
07-04-2017, 08:20 PM
Just so you know, it doesn't explain the process of measuring all the different critical dimensions prior to and during assembly, and that's the most important part.

hotford
07-05-2017, 06:35 AM
If I had to do it all again,

source all the cobra parts swap, cobra engineering midplate, jerry's brackets,either any TVS blower, oem(13-14)or whipple 2.9 for shelby would work and keep it all on D/side inlet, JLT cold air for shelby.....

obviously above would have a built short.....

even if i had a stock short i would go this route and run any 07-12 factory blower and it would lay down 500 rwhp all day.

blkZooM
07-05-2017, 07:45 AM
While the stroker is a good idea, what would end up happening is psi would decrease from the engine breathing more efficiently, torque would increase and hp would stay relatively the same. Where people benefit the most from a stroker is making the same power with less psi, and simply adding a smaller upper or larger lower and getting back to the psi you were at before with the stock stroke. This is where you see the real benefit of the stroker.

You would run into two problems here, first is just finding smaller pulleys or larger lowers that work with the trilogy and if by chance you did find some the second problem would show up, which is over spinning the trilogy to simply get back to the psi you were at before, this is when the trilogy becomes too small of a blower and isn't running efficient anymore. High iats, heat soak and all the other issues that come with heat from a blower spun hard.

If you are dead set on the trilogy, porting it is a great idea but before you even do that you must make sure you have the necessary pulleys to take advantage of the port by increasing the boost and honestly to simply hit your hp target numbers





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Bradley G
07-05-2017, 01:23 PM
Trilogy 93P made 416/418 @15#'s boost, stock internals,stock exhaust ,
2.6" upper and a Thump tensioner.
It had 100,000 blown miles when I Turned up the wick from stock 3.4 " .
Not one of my brighter decisions.
Against my tuners recommendation ,I did it anyway.
It made 12.2@113 .
The car was a beast , If I can just duplicate the performance of the
Last time it was in that range, I am thinking now just get back to That range.
It was a hand full on stock tires and brakes




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mm svt
07-05-2017, 05:40 PM
While we are not running a trilogy, it is still a eaton m112, trilogy used ford parts for their kit and the rear inlet was already designed just used on a lightning, trilogy being clever Used the cobra intake & intercooler and bought the supercharger from eaton already setup with the lightning rear inlet. The lightning put down 380 hp on a supercharged 5.4. WoW they left a lot on the garage floor and the cobra did 390 with 4.6. The 5.4 was a two valve engine but trick flow makes heads for that and add a tvs to that sounds like a CV build

O's Fan Rich
07-06-2017, 03:50 PM
Where is NateHawk?
His car is in that area, Posey Ported Trilogy.

NATEHAWK
07-14-2017, 09:27 AM
Where is NateHawk?
His car is in that area, Posey Ported Trilogy.


Hey Rich, Im here lol.....My car was dyno'd a few years back making 538rwhp on a Trilogy with a posi port, upper and lower pulleys, on an Aluminator Motor. Thinking about getting the blower rebuilt soon since its been running for years. Wanna get it serviced before anything really goes bad.

PHHHHTT
07-14-2017, 07:18 PM
Great Googly Woogly Natehawk!

Do you recall your pulley ratios and max psi? I searched about Posi Performance and saw where he decided to close shop due to family obligations. I think was on SVT Performance or The Chicago Garage.

Steigmeyer (?) had plenty of comments, both good and bad. Has anyone on this website used Jokerz?


Thanks to all who have taken time to respond to this thread. A lot of good info has been put out there. I hope someone else besides me will apply this to their build.

And if anyone has more to add, please do.

NATEHAWK
07-14-2017, 07:44 PM
Great Googly Woogly Natehawk!

Do you recall your pulley ratios and max psi? I searched about Posi Performance and saw where he decided to close shop due to family obligations. I think was on SVT Performance or The Chicago Garage.

Steigmeyer (?) had plenty of comments, both good and bad. Has anyone on this website used Jokerz?


Thanks to all who have taken time to respond to this thread. A lot of good info has been put out there. I hope someone else besides me will apply this to their build.

And if anyone has more to add, please do.

If I recall it's a 3.0 upper pulley 4lb lower and 18psi. This was all before a few extra mods so she probably have a lil more ponies to put down.