Things to make you say Hmmmmmm...

[MI2QWK4U]

I don't know whats going on, but I saw this Marauder at Lidio's shop today... hmmmm.

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[Hack Goby]

Dave, I have already said "Just wait" earler but I forgot what thread. :beer:

[jrzygrl]

Marty???? ;)

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, I have already said "Just wait" earler but I forgot what thread. :beer:

Wait for what Paul?!

[Hack Goby]

Well Dave,It`s been in the 90`s the last two days and now its in the 70`s and the weather men in Detroit arent that accurate so I thought your little divice might have some thing to do with it?

[MI2QWK4U]

Well Dave,It`s been in the 90`s the last two days and now its in the 70`s and the weather men in Detroit arent that accurate so I thought your little divice might have some thing to do with it?

I will be at Lidio's shop tomorrow on my day off to get the scoop on whatever this is, I overheard it's some type of prototype one of a kind whatever. Lid's shop is stacked with Marauders. This black one, a silver one getting the Trilogy treatment, and another black one getting another Trilogy!

[MarauderMark]

Wtf Is It???

[CRUZTAKER]

By the looks of the N2O...I don't go hmmmmm, I go :baaa:

[MI2QWK4U]

By the looks of the N2O...I don't go hmmmmm, I go :baaa:

Thats why I am curious...it IS NOT what it looks like!!

[teamrope]

I thought the southern MM's were the only ones with "Secret projects" :confused:

[Zack]

Looks like that crazy CO2 stuff that will be sprayed on the intercooler.

[MapleLeafMerc]

Looks like that crazy CO2 stuff that will be sprayed on the intercooler.

Is someone raising the performance bar? :burnout:

[martyo]

Marty???? ;)

I don't kiss and tell..... ;)

[merc406]

I don't know guys, looks like the first Nuclear powered car from here. :D :D

[bigslim]

I think it's a can of Ben Wallace's hairspray. Look what is has done for the Pistons.

[woaface]

Is it injected into the intake?



I saw a fire extinguisher used on an intercooler once...much cheaper than this I'm sure:D

[CRUZTAKER]

Oh....one of those CrO2 units perhaps....

I posted info and pics of one that is available through Summit that bolts right into the N/A cars, but no one seemed interested. You get a tank, all the braided lines, and a sprayer nozzle that mounts in the intake box. It super cools the intake air.

Nice addition to a S/C car, because one needs higher volume to really take advantage of the super cold air. It's like racing in 38 degree weather and 90 degree pavemant every day. Nice idea....

[MI2QWK4U]

Oh....one of those CrO2 units perhaps....

I posted info and pics of one that is available through Summit that bolts right into the N/A cars, but no one seemed interested. You get a tank, all the braided lines, and a sprayer nozzle that mounts in the intake box. It super cools the intake air.

Nice addition to a S/C car, because one needs higher volume to really take advantage of the super cold air. It's like racing in 38 degree weather and 90 degree pavemant every day. Nice idea....


Barry, what you saw in Summit is junk, pure junk. It is mostly popular with the ricer crowd that doesnt realize that if you car injests ANY Co2 whatsoever, it will stall and kill performance. Its a great idea to spray the heat exchanger (radiator) with the Co2, but with it being in the front of the car, you will always suck some of that Co2 into your engine, Very BAD! Those systems are very crude and not very effective.

[MI2QWK4U]

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[martyo]

Is that a "blow hole" in teh bumper cover?

[Logan]

At least Marauderville will be chock full 'o weird, neato cars this year...

[martyo]

At least Marauderville will be chock full 'o weird, neato cars this year...

As opposed to the freaks and oddballs that attended last year! :lol:

[MI2QWK4U]

At least Marauderville will be chock full 'o weird, neato cars this year...

My my....must we mock that which we don't understand?!

[Logan]

I deleted my own comments...

Personally "Neato & weird" translates to "cool"...

Sorry that went clear over your head Dave.

[CRUZTAKER]

This entire post has gone over my head....and under my feet:stupid:

[MikesMerc]

I know what it i-is, I know what it i-is, na na na na na na.:D

That didn't take long Dave. Any results yet?

[MI2QWK4U]

I deleted my own comments...

Personally "Neato & weird" translates to "cool"...

Sorry that went clear over your head Dave.


I know what you meant Logan! I was just messing with you! If anything, we are a neato, wierd, and cool group.... Hard to believe that we have done so much in a 2 years with this car....it is truely remarkable. Anyone that picks up a wrench or makes something cool for this car deserves a cold one! And Logan is buying!

[MapleLeafMerc]

2QWK, please tell me you're coming to STAP and bringing this device with you!

[merc406]

Ok Dave, Mike, I'm old, I give up, what the :censor: is it? :help: :D

[MI2QWK4U]

Ok Dave, Mike, I'm old, I give up, what the :censor: is it? :help: :D


Hey! you are only as old as you act, or feel, or something like that. I dont think an old guy would hang around a bunch of mentals here in the motor city!

[merc406]

Hey! you are only as old as you act, or feel, or something like that. I dont think an old guy would hang around a bunch of mentals here in the motor city!



Thanks Dave, all I can say is I feel like I look. Your right we Marauder'er's are different sort of folk, that's a good thing, as Martha would say. :up: (from her prison cell)

[Petrograde]

Ok,.... WTF IS IT???? :confused:

[ap2003]

Flux Capacitor Nuclear Energy Source maybe??

ap

[jobrien8]

I happened to see this car. Now I know what this assembly of parts that has created such guessing about. Clue: try not to think to far out of the box! Got to tell you, it is really great.

[merc406]

John, how big a box?

[MI2QWK4U]

John, how big a box?

The testing hasn't been done yet, but the prospect is very big for a supercharged car. If this car can make it to the track tomorrow, that will be the first test, dyno testing and tuning will be the final test. Here's to new untried technology!

[merc406]

The testing hasn't been done yet, but the prospect is very big for a supercharged car. If this car can make it to the track tomorrow, that will be the first test, dyno testing and tuning will be the final test. Here's to new untried technology!


Hope they can, weather is suppose to be good, alittle warm but no rains. Good luck to them. :rock:

[Zack]

Duh, its your car. Take a lesson from Southerners on how to keep a secret!
Compare these 2 pictures, the shape of the sidewalk where it meets the driveway gives it away.
http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/252Mustangs0005.jpg
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Anyway, good luck with it.

[woaface]

Man, I love forensics...!

[merc406]

Duh, its your car. Take a lesson from Southerners on how to keep a secret!
Compare these 2 pictures, the shape of the sidewalk where it meets the driveway gives it away.

Anyway, good luck with it.



Already knew that, but it's MI's story to tell

[bigslim]

It's like watching an episode of CSI. Great work Zack.

[CRUZTAKER]

Barry, what you saw in Summit is junk, pure junk. It is mostly popular with the ricer crowd that doesnt realize that if you car injests ANY Co2 whatsoever.....

OK, now....but I didn't say CO2, I said CR02.
From the new closeup of the bottle in the trunk, the engraving sure looks like it says CR02?

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[Logan]

You mean, this was another "secret" project?

Yeesh, like a bad soap-opera.

[woaface]

Logan, by nature...soap opera's are bad.:puke:

[djmcnary]

Duh, its your car. Take a lesson from Southerners on how to keep a secret!
Compare these 2 pictures, the shape of the sidewalk where it meets the driveway gives it away.
http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/252Mustangs0005.jpg
http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/252Cryo_1093-med.JPG
Anyway, good luck with it.
Not to mention the reflection of the white car parked in the garage, on the bumper cover.

God bless wax!

Douglas

[MI2QWK4U]

Jeeeez...
No secret project here. I started the thread for fun. Didn't realize folks get so wrapped up in this whole "secret project" stuff. I was approached by a company that developed, or actually adapted a cooling system for liquid cooled Ford supercharged setups, primarily designed for Cobras and Lightnings. Since the intercooling setup on the Trilogy Marauders is very simular to the Cobra setup, it was thought it might help out. Their initial research data on a Cobra with this prototype system appreciated a 45 degree drop in coolant temps in fluid entering the intercooler/supercharger. For anyone that knows anything about coolant temps in the supercharger as related to performance as a result knows that is a BIG deal. The Marauder setup is yet another shot at prototyping a system that will yield results for liquid intercooled S/Ced cars. This approach eliminates the biggest problem with some other sytems that vent the CO2 on the heat exchanger directly, the problem with that setup is you run a risk of injesting some CO2 into your air intake which is very bad. There are some problems inherant to this venture and it seems more trouble than its worth, but *****, I love playing with this car! The Eatons on trilogy cars is larger than on the Cobra, not sure about lightnings, but our setup makes more heat than the cobra. I am plumbing some temp sending units to monitor the coolant temperature as it leaves the supercharger, very hot, and the coolant temperature as it leaves the CO2 cooling unit, which should be cooler and goes directly to the supercharger to cool intake air better. I really wont be able to determine how effective it is until I can monitor temps, and adjust jet size accordingly. If we can duplicate the 45 degree drop in inlet coolant temp for the supercharger, that means when using the system on the street or strip, you can have another program on your chip that will allow you to tune in relation to that inlet temp which could mean timing and as a result more RWHP by fliping the chip and chilling your coolant. I will let you know if you are interested in the results of our ongoing plunking with it. So sorry about taking so long in posting the skinny, been busy around work and home as well, and really wasnt meant to be a cloak and daggar "secret project" thread. Most of the Motor City guys knew about it a while ago.

[Zack]

Rather than researching it myself, Id like to ask you a few questions.
1. Does this design 'circulate' the C02 in a closed system, thus eliminating the need to fill up the tank all the time?
2. Does it spray on the heat exchanger?
3. Does coolant pass through that cylindrical thingy in front of the heat exchanger?
4. If this cryo stuff does not spray out and is indeed in a 'closed system' why not build a custom intercooler reservoir with that apparatus built inside of it?

[MI2QWK4U]

Rather than researching it myself, Id like to ask you a few questions.
1. Does this design 'circulate' the C02 in a closed system, thus eliminating the need to fill up the tank all the time?
2. Does it spray on the heat exchanger?
3. Does coolant pass through that cylindrical thingy in front of the heat exchanger?
4. If this cryo stuff does not spray out and is indeed in a 'closed system' why not build a custom intercooler reservoir with that apparatus built inside of it?

I will do my best to answer, I have done a lot of research on different cooling methods, from old fashioned ice bath containers in the trunk, to tapping the freon sytem to chill coolant, to using CO2. Of those top 3 methods, the CO2 seemed safer, less invasive than tapping the AC system, cheaper, etc. Of CO2 systems, I eliminated the "spraying" CO2 thru the heat exchanger, to much of a risk of sucking in the CO2 in your intake, leaving the system we are trying to modify to the Eaton equipped Marauder.
1. This system vents the CO2. The cooling occurs when the liquid CO2 is sprayed into the coolant chiller (shown mounted to the crossmember in the pictures). The CO2 hits the hot coolant flowing thru the unit, and becomes CO2 gas, which is vented safely away from the air intake side of the motor compartment. The freshly chilled coolant is then run thru the intercooler mounted to the Eaton so you have cooler charge air. It is impossible to recirculate the CO2 gas, it would take a pump to compress the gas and that just wont work. The tank should give you 3-4 runs, but thats speculation now and is one of the things we are working on figuring out.
2. No, it doesnt spray on the heat exchanger, it passes thru the chiller unit cooling the liquid.
3. Yes, that silver unit that has the heater hose on either end in the pictures is the chiller unit.
4. Not sure how to answer that one Zack, I hope I did in the explaination of other stuff. It is not a closed system, and vents the CO2 gas as the liquified CO2 hits the heat from the coolant. Imagine the liquified coolant is appx 100 degrees below zero! There is a lot of potential for making this work in our cars. Maybe you can fill me in on how the vortech works...is it liquid cooled? I hope I answered your questions, I learn more every day and have had some good days, and some *****ty ones too, but its fun trying to adapt something to make your setup more efficient. It should be mentioned that CO2 is redily available at welding supply shops, medical suppy centers, beverage companies, and any supplier that deals with gasses. It is safe to handle, not explosive, and dirt cheap. A 10 lb bottle costs $7 to $10 to fill. It cant hurt your car, just make it run like it does on a crisp fall or spring day, when it is 80 degrees out! If it gets a 40 degree drop in coolant temp on the cobra, there is no reason we cant get that for a supercharged marauder. I will try to plumb the temp sensors in the coolant lines and get the gauge hooked up for more info.
I hope you find this helpful, anything else Zack?

[Zack]

Good info, thank you.
Someone needs to come up with a 12v freezer we can mount in the trunk so our intercooler reservoir can sit inside of it at all times.
Id buy that in a heartbeat.
Mac, oh Mac, should we make one???

[merc406]

Good info, thank you.
Someone needs to come up with a 12v freezer we can mount in the trunk so our intercooler reservoir can sit inside of it at all times.
Id buy that in a heartbeat.
Mac, oh Mac, should we make one???



How bout a box full of dry ice?

[MI2QWK4U]

Here are a couple of quick pics of the last part of the mod, the duel temp sending gauge setup. This monitors the Intercooler coolant at two locations: firstly as the hot coolant comes right from the intercooler, and the coolant just before it enters the intercooler after hitting the heat exchanger and the chiller unit, here it should be much cooler than the outlet coolant.

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[CRUZTAKER]

Having finally seen this one of a kind in person, I like the idea, and have always liked the concept.

Dave can drop temps quicker than an ornery wife...:P

[Joe Walsh]

I wonder if anything could be done with Kincaid's 'Killer Chiller'? Its basically a BIG version of the plug in (12v outlet) refrigerators for your car..i.e. a solid state electrical heat sink. This system never has to be refilled, vented, etc. See link www.killerchiller.com

[JohnE]

Any updates on this toy? Anyone currently using it?

John

[Joe Walsh]

I wonder if anything could be done with Kincaid's 'Killer Chiller'? Its basically a BIG version of the plug in (12v outlet) refrigerators for your car..i.e. a solid state electrical heat sink. This system never has to be refilled, vented, etc. See link www.killerchiller.com

I just checked their website for updates and they have an electric 'Hydrochiller' that works like the CO2 cryochiller....add it inline to the OEM intercooler.
It's specifically made for SVT Lightnings and Cobras with water-to-air intercoolers...so I'm sure that it could be adapted to a Marauder with water-to-air.

I'm going to try to use one of these on my Mustang Turbo 2.5 w/20psi boost.