Thoughts

[fastblackmerc]

Looking to replace my DD 1998 Ranger.

Looking at:

2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, vinyl seats, rubber mat instead of carpet, some of the bells and whistles, 3K miles for about $30K.

2013 F150 XLT, 3.5l twin turbo V6, automatic, cloth seats, carpet, alot of the bells and whistles, 22K miles, for about $22k.

Will be test driving both in the next day or two.

Don't plan on any towing / off roading, will be a DD, less than 300 miles a week.

Opinions on which one to buy?

[Mr. Man]

If you flew Corsair's during the war you'll like the Eco Turbo. Personally I'd find a 5.0l if I was looking at Ford.

[tbone]

Neither.
Ram 1500. Hemi 5.7L.

[Joe Walsh]

Depends how fast you want your pick-up.
Either is light years ahead of the old Rangers in terms of technology, ride comfort and performance.
The 3.5L EcoBoost is very quick.
The 3.3L N/A V6 gets good MPG.

My personal preference for a powertrain is the 2.7L Ecoboost with the 10 speed transmission.
Best of both worlds. (Except that you need to pay 40+ large for a new F150! :eek:)

[Marauderjack]

Neither.
Ram 1500. Hemi 5.7L.

^^^This Jim!!!^^^:bows::beer::D

[fastblackmerc]

Neither.
Ram 1500. Hemi 5.7L.


^^^This Jim!!!^^^:bows::beer::D

Already have 1 Hemi in the family.

[justbob]

Neither.

Ram 1500. Hemi 5.7L.



I honestly wouldn’t take even a brand new Ram free of charge. I’d happily drive my beater till I could afford a truck. LOL

Seriously.

Edit: I’d take the free one! It would make for a quick flip. [emoji16]


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[Marauderjack]

I've had fantastic luck with 2 Dodge RAM HEMI trucks.......plenty of power and had 185K miles on the 2004 I sold......still have my 2008 and it still has the original battery......so there "Nay Sayer Bob"!!;)

[fastblackmerc]

I'm not entirely sold on Dodge trucks.

[vkirkend]

2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, vinyl seats, rubber mat instead of carpet,


This one i just bought brand new. Very happy with it!!! Had to upgrade the radio and planning on adding steps. Love getting 18 mpg on the highway!!!! Oh, and it's a 4 x 4.

[2mercs]

2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, vinyl seats, rubber mat instead of carpet,


This one i just bought brand new. Very happy with it!!! Had to upgrade the radio and planning on adding steps. Love getting 18 mpg on the highway!!!!Only 18 on the highway? My 18 3.5 EB 4x4 gets almost 17 and its hardly ever on the highway.

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[Spectragod]

Looking to replace my DD 1998 Ranger.



Looking at:



2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, vinyl seats, rubber mat instead of carpet, some of the bells and whistles, 3K miles for about $30K.



2013 F150 XLT, 3.5l twin turbo V6, automatic, cloth seats, carpet, alot of the bells and whistles, 22K miles, for about $22k.



Will be test driving both in the next day or two.



Don't plan on any towing / off roading, will be a DD, less than 300 miles a week.



Opinions on which one to buy?



A quick search on the f150 forums will give you some better insight.

I personally would stay away from used turbo anything. Cam, timing chain & turbo issues it seems.

Run an OASIS, if you are buying from a Ford dealer, they will provide it for free.

Good luck.


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[Guittard22]

Bells and whistle's are nice and enjoyable but I try to step away from them I like plain and simple I was not always that way but .....

Drive both and see what you like the older one you may have to see if it wiii need anything ??

[Phrog_gunner]

I honestly wouldn’t take even a brand new Ram free of charge. I’d happily drive my beater till I could afford a truck. LOL

Seriously.

Edit: I’d take the free one! It would make for a quick flip. [emoji16]


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I'd rather go around telling people I had herpes, than tell them that I drive a dodge.

[gdmjoe]

vkirkend - 2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, vinyl seats, rubber mat instead of carpet,


This one i just bought brand new. Very happy with it!!! Had to upgrade the radio and planning on adding steps. Love getting 18 mpg on the highway!!!!
2011 FX4 super-cab 5.0L 3.73RAR - routinely get 16MPG city 22MPG highway (best has been 25MPG).
.

[gdsqdcr]

I am biased. I drove an ‘11 3.5 for about a year, then moved up to a brand new ‘15 3.5 lariat CC in April of 16. Absolutely wonderful truck. Sport mode is stupid fast .... i average ~16 in my day to day. This includes towing, 4wd, ko2’s on each corner, grill guard with winch ... you get the picture. On bighway trips with 5 folks in it, i average really close to 20.

Currently have 61k miles on mine since April ‘16. A tsb replaces a 4wd actuator in the front and the transfer case.

[Mr. Man]

Is the '98 a rust bucket Jim? Drop a crate motor in it.

[MyBlackBeasts]

The 2018 F150 smaller Ecoboost motors are blowing up quite often according to my local Ford dude.


Just get the 5.0 liter, I really like mine. Gets 18/22 mpg and will pull a skyscraper off its foundation.


With all the recent work to your Ranger, why have you decided to replace it?

[MyBlackBeasts]

2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, Love getting 18 mpg on the highway!!!!


What rear end do you have? My 2018 5.0 ltr gets 22mpg hyw, 18 city.

[fastblackmerc]

The 2018 F150 smaller Ecoboost motors are blowing up quite often according to my local Ford dude.


Just get the 5.0 liter, I really like mine. Gets 18/22 mpg and will pull a skyscraper off its foundation.


With all the recent work to your Ranger, why have you decided to replace it?

It's going to need more repairs... rear brakes, rear axle seals, motor uses 2 qts. between changes (should be rebuilt) and all four ball joints need replacing since the dust boots are not there.

[Fastbob]

I just traded a 2014 Ram 5.7 Hemi for a 2018 F150 4x4 Super Crew with the 5.0 and 10 speed. It is the most comfortable truck I have ever owned. My advise is to consider the 2018 3.3 for your daily driver. If you don't tow anything then the 3.5 EcoBoost is overkill in the power department. The 3.5 EcoBoost's fuel mileage is not great either, but they are a proven and reliable engine.

We had one in the shop a few weeks ago (I work at a Ford dealership) that had 196,000 miles on it and it was there for a coolant leak at one of the turbos. The turbos were fine and did not require replacement, just some of the plumbing. This is a testament to proper maintenance.

I also previously leased a 2013 Lariat with the 3.5 EcoBoost. In 48,000 miles there was not one trip to the service department. Either of your choices would be a great pick, but the 2018 is a much improved model. Keep us posted on what you buy.

[Joe Walsh]

It's going to need more repairs... rear brakes, rear axle seals, motor uses 2 qts. between changes (should be rebuilt) and all four ball joints need replacing since the dust boots are not there.

What engine....2.3, 3.sl0w or the 4.0?
I just redid all the brakes on my '99 Ranger and also fixed the leaking differential cover.
I thought about doing the rear axle seals & bearings....but then I thought; 'If it aint broke, don't fix it'!
Just did the lower ball joints last year, now the upper ball joints are starting to go....It never ends!

https://i.imgur.com/8bB1b7wh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jRkKiVph.jpg

My Ranger has 309,000+ miles and the engine is starting to use some oil.
Transmission is getting sloppy too. A/C is starting to cycle on and off.
Rather than spending a lot of money repairing a bunch of worn out parts, I spent $1,000 and got an entire 91,500 mile 3.0 V6 drivetrain from a NJ salvage yard.
Even got all the 'low mile' front dress/accessories, starter, exhaust manifolds and a custom driveshaft!
Now, I'm trying to break something before I drop in the 'new' engine.
Can't seem to kill this old engine and tranny!!

https://i.imgur.com/p9myioAh.jpg

Also got a mint tailgate (in matching white color!) off of the same wrecked Ranger for $50
Tailgate is wrapped in tarp next to the engine.
It's going to be like a 'kinda new' truck after I do the install.
Straight 'plug and play' swap...easy.
Saved me $40,000+ vs. buying a new 2018 F150 STX.

[Turbov6Bryan]

I looked for new F150s about a month ago and found the cheapest ones were sold out of Texas

5.0 10 speed 4 real door 2 wheel drive $30,500

You might Google search new Texas F150s for sale

[Bruce Wayne]

Get the F-150 with the 5.0 you regret it, its a great engine, and good on fuel

[MyBlackBeasts]

It's going to need more repairs... rear brakes, rear axle seals, motor uses 2 qts. between changes (should be rebuilt) and all four ball joints need replacing since the dust boots are not there.



That's all minor stuff, a heck of a lot cheaper than $30k!


Get busy Jim! :D

[Agent2006]

You can get a new 5.3 liter Silverado with locking diff for $27,000 or so....I like that better any used truck for $30K. Question is, will you be happy with a base model V-8 shortbed as a DD?

https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/silverado-1500/2018/regular-cab/options/?legacy=true

[fastblackmerc]

You can get a new 5.3 liter Silverado with locking diff for $27,000 or so....I like that better any used truck for $30K. Question is, will you be happy with a base model V-8 shortbed as a DD?

https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/silverado-1500/2018/regular-cab/options/?legacy=true

I'd prefer to stay in the Ford family. I also want either a crew cab or super cab (rear seating).

[Joe Walsh]

You can get a new 5.3 liter Silverado with locking diff for $27,000 or so....I like that better any used truck for $30K. Question is, will you be happy with a base model V-8 shortbed as a DD?

https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/silverado-1500/2018/regular-cab/options/?legacy=true

Yeah....but have you seen the new front end 'styling' on the 2019 models...?

HIDEOUS!.....:puke:

https://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106916

Chevy seems to think that the Transformers are still a cool thing, and that their pickups should look like Maximus Prime.
I'd call the new look; Hideous Crime.
.

[vkirkend]

Only 18 on the highway? My 18 3.5 EB 4x4 gets almost 17 and its hardly ever on the highway.

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Well it's still in the break-in' stage (1200 miles so far). Today on 20 mile trip into town it went up to 20+. I'm gettin' there!!!!

[2mercs]

Mine is almost to 4k. Have a 18 2.7 EB 4x4 as a rental averaged 22mpg from ohio to north Carolina. Cant beat that in a truck I feel.

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[vkirkend]

What rear end do you have? My 2018 5.0 ltr gets 22mpg hyw, 18 city.

it's a 4 x 4 3.73.

[vkirkend]

2011 FX4 super-cab 5.0L 3.73RAR - routinely get 16MPG city 22MPG highway (best has been 25MPG).
.

Give me time, I'll get there!;)

[vkirkend]

Looking to replace my DD 1998 Ranger.

Looking at:

2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, vinyl seats, rubber mat instead of carpet, some of the bells and whistles, 3K miles for about $30K.

2013 F150 XLT, 3.5l twin turbo V6, automatic, cloth seats, carpet, alot of the bells and whistles, 22K miles, for about $22k.

Will be test driving both in the next day or two.

Don't plan on any towing / off roading, will be a DD, less than 300 miles a week.

Opinions on which one to buy?

They wanted so much for the older ones I decided to just get a new. Used was going to be my first choice.

[vkirkend]

I'm not entirely sold on Dodge trucks.

I had problems with brakes on my SRT-10.

[vkirkend]

I'd prefer to stay in the Ford family. I also want either a crew cab or super cab (rear seating).

I also have the super cab. (We are thinking alike!!!)

[dakslim]

You have herpes?

[fastblackmerc]

Got the F-150 last Friday.

2015, F-150 XLT, 3.5 twin turbo Ecoboost, 6 speed auto, 3.55 electronic lock rear, 6800# towing package, super crew cab, white with lower two-tone paint, grey cloth interior (40/20/40), 32.956 miles (now has 33,160 miles), rear view camera, reverse sensing, power rear sliding windows, rear window defrost, power seats (both front), remote start, 110V/400W outlet, LED bed lighting, blind spot info system, vice activated navigation, max trailer tow package, 18" PVD chrome wheels, chrome step bars, more hold downs in the bed than I could ever use and drop in bed liner.

Original list was $47,295.00 less a $2K discount XLT chrome appearance package.
One owner, all service records, all recall's have been done.

Thanks to all for your input and to Fastbob for the OASIS reports!

[Fastbob]

Got the F-150 last Friday.

2015, F-150 XLT, 3.5 twin turbo Ecoboost, 6 speed auto, 3.55 electronic lock rear, 6800# towing package, super crew cab, white with lower two-tone paint, grey cloth interior (40/20/40), 32.956 miles (now has 33,160 miles), rear view camera, reverse sensing, power rear sliding windows, rear window defrost, power seats (both front), remote start, 110V/400W outlet, LED bed lighting, blind spot info system, vice activated navigation, max trailer tow package, 18" PVD chrome wheels, chrome step bars, more hold downs in the bed than I could ever use and drop in bed liner.

Original list was $47,295.00 less a $2K discount XLT chrome appearance package.
One owner, all service records, all recall's have been done.

Thanks to all for your input and to Fastbob for the OASIS reports!You are welcome! Enjoy that truck! If you need a pdf copy of the window sticker, let me know. It comes off of the Oasis site.

[tbone]

I honestly wouldn’t take even a brand new Ram free of charge. I’d happily drive my beater till I could afford a truck. LOL

Seriously.


Uh huh.

My 3rd Dodge. All great. Barely an issue with any of them. Hemi is a beast. Best looking truck on the road. Beautiful interior. Drive it before you decide to trash it for no apparent reason.

New 96 Ford Ranger I already spoke about. Complete and total crap. 6000 miles of misery. One off lemon? Maybe.

2 new Chevys from the 90's. Ok, not great. Lost transmission. GM argued about it on a 30k mile truck. REALLY?

So bottom line is I have tried them all (not to mention Big 3 cars) and don't trash the other makes for pride or whatever makes people so critical of other people's choices. Just the facts.

Enjoy the F-150!

[gdsqdcr]

Got the F-150 last Friday.

2015, F-150 XLT, 3.5 twin turbo Ecoboost, 6 speed auto, 3.55 electronic lock rear, 6800# towing package, super crew cab, white with lower two-tone paint, grey cloth interior (40/20/40), 32.956 miles (now has 33,160 miles), rear view camera, reverse sensing, power rear sliding windows, rear window defrost, power seats (both front), remote start, 110V/400W outlet, LED bed lighting, blind spot info system, vice activated navigation, max trailer tow package, 18" PVD chrome wheels, chrome step bars, more hold downs in the bed than I could ever use and drop in bed liner.

Original list was $47,295.00 less a $2K discount XLT chrome appearance package.
One owner, all service records, all recall's have been done.

Thanks to all for your input and to Fastbob for the OASIS reports!

Enjoy it! They are phenomenal trucks. My '15 Lariat has over 60K on it now and I love driving it.

[justbob]

Uh huh.

My 3rd Dodge. All great. Barely an issue with any of them. Hemi is a beast. Best looking truck on the road. Beautiful interior. Drive it before you decide to trash it for no apparent reason.

New 96 Ford Ranger I already spoke about. Complete and total crap. 6000 miles of misery. One off lemon? Maybe.

2 new Chevys from the 90's. Ok, not great. Lost transmission. GM argued about it on a 30k mile truck. REALLY?

So bottom line is I have tried them all (not to mention Big 3 cars) and don't trash the other makes for pride or whatever makes people so critical of other people's choices. Just the facts.

Enjoy the F-150!



Tom I had the unpleasure of having a brand new loaded early 2000’s Ram 1500 crew as a work truck for about three years. When it wasn’t in the shop I found it to be the most uncomfortable, unreliable, and worst braking truck I’d ever driven.

You can argue that a lot has been approved upon in fifteen years or so but considering they have been building them since 1914 then I would have thought the first ninety years or so would have made quite the truck by 2003. Lemon? Perhaps. But Dodge has always been the underdog when truck talk comes up, plus by far lowest amount sold. Must be other reasons besides my experienced review.


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[Spectragod]

Tom I had the unpleasure of having a brand new loaded early 2000’s Ram 1500 crew as a work truck for about three years. When it wasn’t in the shop I found it to be the most uncomfortable, unreliable, and worst braking truck I’d ever driven.

You can argue that a lot has been approved upon in fifteen years or so but considering they have been building them since 1914 then I would have thought the first ninety years or so would have made quite the truck by 2003. Lemon? Perhaps. But Dodge has always been the underdog when truck talk comes up, plus by far lowest amount sold. Must be other reasons besides my experienced review.


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I’ve had chevy’s and Ford’s, never had a Dodge, and the way that company has been changing hands, it’s just makes things look uncertain. And.... I see 3yo dodge trucks with rotted out beds/cab corners and rockers , it makes me believe that I was right in taking a pass. Not to say they are ugly, but the design is just not for me.


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[Invective]

Is the '98 a rust bucket Jim? Drop a crate motor in it.




Hmmm....YES!!!


http://cdn.stangtv.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/8/files/2011/07/wile1.jpg

[tbone]

They all have their positives and negatives. Chrysler has been better to me than GM and Ford by a long shot.

Rust? Wow, I've never seen a rusted out GM or Ford.

Future of GM.....:confused: Good grief.

[tbone]

Tom I had the unpleasure of having a brand new loaded early 2000’s Ram 1500 crew as a work truck for about three years. When it wasn’t in the shop I found it to be the most uncomfortable, unreliable, and worst braking truck I’d ever driven.

You can argue that a lot has been approved upon in fifteen years or so but considering they have been building them since 1914 then I would have thought the first ninety years or so would have made quite the truck by 2003. Lemon? Perhaps. But Dodge has always been the underdog when truck talk comes up, plus by far lowest amount sold. Must be other reasons besides my experienced review.


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I had a 2000 and an 04. 2000 never broke and the 04 broke the front pinion. That was it.
My 17 I bought with 16k miles. Checked for warranty repairs. Nothing. No issues since I have had it last 3k. Runs, steers, brakes, and looks great. Gobs of effortless power. 8 speed shifts like a dream.

[tbone]

......but considering they have been building them since 1914 then I would have thought the first ninety years or so would have made quite the truck by 2003.
But Dodge has always been the underdog when truck talk comes up, plus by far lowest amount sold.


Chevy outsold Dodge 585k to 500k last year. Only 85k more. Dodge outsold GMC by almost 300k units. This when GM dwarfs FCA overall. Ford outsold the Toyota Tundra nearly 9 to 1, but I bet the Toyota is way, way more reliable. Overall sales don't tell the whole story, nor does how long a company has been in business. What was Fords excuse for building my POS Ranger in 96?
You may want to rethink these statements Bob.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/204473/best-selling-trucks-in-the-united-states-from-january-to-october-2011/

[justbob]

Chevy outsold Dodge 585k to 500k last year. Only 85k more. Dodge outsold GMC by almost 300k units. This when GM dwarfs FCA overall. Ford outsold the Toyota Tundra nearly 9 to 1, but I bet the Toyota is way, way more reliable. Overall sales don't tell the whole story, nor does how long a company has been in business. What was Fords excuse for building my POS Ranger in 96?
You may want to rethink these statements Bob.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/204473/best-selling-trucks-in-the-united-states-from-january-to-october-2011/


Nothing to rethink.

Now add Chevy and GMC together for numbers as it’s the same truck.

Ford 896,764
Chevy/GMC 803,807
Dodge 500,723

Sales tell plenty of the story. Don’t get upset about buying a truck that 22% of Americans who bought from the big 3 (not 4) also bought. Enjoy it, I hope she lasts.


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[tbone]

800k to 500k is no slam dunk for a company as large as GM compard to little FCA. And they have always separated the numbers of the 2 divisions. Hell, together they used to outsell Ford. Never advertised that fact though. Hmmm......

What's your excuse for Ford not being able to build a decent Ranger after 100 years since you held Dodge to that standard?

Not upset about buying the Ram. Quite proud of it actually. I got exactly what I wanted.

If overall quality was the absolute end all and be all of the sales equation then Toyota sales would be like 2 million units a year in this country and the Big 3 would be completely wiped out. Brand loyalty is where sales are at. Ask any Marketing 101 teacher.

[Joe Walsh]

If overall quality was the absolute end all and be all of the sales equation then Toyota sales would be like 2 million units a year in this country and the Big 3 would be completely wiped out. Brand loyalty is where sales are at. Ask any Marketing 101 teacher.

True about brand loyalty...but
You can't really equate Terdyotas popularity with their quality.....lemmings and sheeple buy them!
Plus, every Terdyota dealership that I know of has a Service Department....and I'm sure that they are busy.

They've had oil sludged engine recalls, sticking accelerator pedals killing owners....:blah:
Go to the Tundra forums and read about them complaining about their 5.7L Tundras drinking gas...13 - 15 mpg!

Wouldn't look twice at a Tundra or Titan.

[tbone]

I wouldn't consider Toyota either but I bet they have fewer issues than Ford has, especially with their latest engines. I clearly implied quality and popularity are mutually exclusive for Toyota trucks.

Try a Brand New 96 Ranger getting 6 mpg that Ford could not fix. Vibrating drivetrain. Could not fix. Leaking rear window. Could not fix. Chime going off randomly for no reason. Could not fix. Idiot lights going on and off. Could not fix. Airbag light on constantly. Could not fix. And more issues I cannot remember.

I guess Ford should have learned how to build a truck after being in business since 1903. :)

[Joe Walsh]

I wouldn't consider Toyota either but I bet they have fewer issues than Ford has, especially with their latest engines. I clearly implied quality and popularity are mutually exclusive for Toyota trucks.

Try a Brand New 96 Ranger getting 6 mpg that Ford could not fix. Vibrating drivetrain. Could not fix. Leaking rear window. Could not fix. Chime going off randomly for no reason. Could not fix. Idiot lights going on and off. Could not fix. Airbag light on constantly. Could not fix. And more issues I cannot remember.

I guess Ford should have learned how to build a truck after being in business since 1903. :)

You should've hung Ford on a 'lemon law' buy back with all of those problems!
Must've been a lemon....as I cannot kill my 309,000 mile Ranger.
And believe me....I try everyday that I drive it....lol
I actually have people ask if I'm selling it when I stop for gas.
It still looks pretty good and they don't make 'em in this size anymore!

[tbone]

I should have done the lemon law. Not sure why I didn't. I went in a completely new direction and traded it in on a used Honda Accord of all things. Oh well.

My wife bought a new 2006 Exploder and it was ok for 50k miles. 12 miles per gallon was ridiculous though.

I don't hate Ford. I do hate GM though for the way we were treated on a 97 Trans Sport that was junk. Never bought another GM. Never will.

I don't especially like the bashing among brands. When people dis Chrysler I will defend them though because I've bought plenty of their products and they were all good cars and trucks.

[justbob]

You’re right, us other 78%’ers are doing it all wrong. Certainly not wasting my time discussing basic mathematics on sales like just how much 800>500.

Moving on! [emoji1303]


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[vkirkend]

Good luck Jim!!!

[Marauderjack]

True about brand loyalty...but
You can't really equate Terdyotas popularity with their quality.....lemmings and sheeple buy them!
Plus, every Terdyota dealership that I know of has a Service Department....and I'm sure that they are busy.

They've had oil sludged engine recalls, sticking accelerator pedals killing owners....:blah:
Go to the Tundra forums and read about them complaining about their 5.7L Tundras drinking gas...13 - 15 mpg!

Wouldn't look twice at a Tundra or Titan.

Hey Joe.......my neighbor has a 2017 Tundra and averages 11 MPG......go figger!!:eek::shake:

[Mr. Man]

True about brand loyalty...but
You can't really equate Terdyotas popularity with their quality.....lemmings and sheeple buy them!
Plus, every Terdyota dealership that I know of has a Service Department....and I'm sure that they are busy.

They've had oil sludged engine recalls, sticking accelerator pedals killing owners....:blah:
Go to the Tundra forums and read about them complaining about their 5.7L Tundras drinking gas...13 - 15 mpg!

Wouldn't look twice at a Tundra or Titan.I have an '08 Titan and it's a love/hate relationship. Driveline kicks ass, motor is strong and reliable. I believe I could beat a stock MM in the 1/4 or it would be very close. It's the stupid things that Nissan did like steel hangers on a SS exhaust. They have horrible customer service etc. New ones look like Fords so might as well buy a Ford. For all the money Nissan spent developing the two generations they really spent no time listening to their customers. Very low sales are the result. I wouldn't buy another.

[Joe Walsh]

I have an '08 Titan and it's a love/hate relationship. Driveline kicks ass, motor is strong and reliable. I believe I could beat a stock MM in the 1/4 or it would be very close. It's the stupid things that Nissan did like steel hangers on a SS exhaust. They have horrible customer service etc. New ones look like Fords so might as well buy a Ford. For all the money Nissan spent developing the two generations they really spent no time listening to their customers. Very low sales are the result. I wouldn't buy another.

Hey....at least the Titan is one tough pick-up!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1M1mDSaGoA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX6iXVKs4XM

^^^ UFB! ^^^^

[Marauderman]

Looking to replace my DD 1998 Ranger.

Looking at:

2018 F150 XL, 3.3l V6, automatic, vinyl seats, rubber mat instead of carpet, some of the bells and whistles, 3K miles for about $30K.

2013 F150 XLT, 3.5l twin turbo V6, automatic, cloth seats, carpet, alot of the bells and whistles, 22K miles, for about $22k.

Will be test driving both in the next day or two.

Don't plan on any towing / off roading, will be a DD, less than 300 miles a week.

Opinions on which one to buy?


Got the F-150 last Friday.

2015, F-150 XLT, 3.5 twin turbo Ecoboost, 6 speed auto, 3.55 electronic lock rear, 6800# towing package, super crew cab, white with lower two-tone paint, grey cloth interior (40/20/40), 32.956 miles (now has 33,160 miles), rear view camera, reverse sensing, power rear sliding windows, rear window defrost, power seats (both front), remote start, 110V/400W outlet, LED bed lighting, blind spot info system, vice activated navigation, max trailer tow package, 18" PVD chrome wheels, chrome step bars, more hold downs in the bed than I could ever use and drop in bed liner.

Original list was $47,295.00 less a $2K discount XLT chrome appearance package.
One owner, all service records, all recall's have been done.

Thanks to all for your input and to Fastbob for the OASIS reports!


Congrats--As you know I have the '12 F-150 Kingranch-same engine--
you will love your newer truck--now you will see why I do mine---so glad for you --you will find out the truck will do more that what you planned for and glad you have it ---very nice choice--show a pic or 2 --have fun

[tbone]

You’re right, us other 78%’ers are doing it all wrong. Certainly not wasting my time discussing basic mathematics on sales like just how much 800>500.

Moving on! [emoji1303]


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Ok, let me try to explain it this way. In terms of the size of the company compared to how many trucks they sell and the proportional dollars they add to their revenue, the sales numbers are right in line. So if you want bring up basic mathematics, use the following article and the graph it contains as a guide and it will show how the statistical data makes sense.
You should also look at how many dealerships there are in this country. More dealerships = more sales. ie. McDonalds on every corner. That's no accident.

https://camera-source.com/blog/ford-versus-chrysler-versus-gm

[Spectragod]

Moving on! [emoji1303]


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Ok, let me try to explain it this way. In terms of the size of the company compared to how many trucks they sell and the proportional dollars they add to their revenue, the sales numbers are right in line. So if you want bring up basic mathematics, use the following article and the graph it contains as a guide and it will show how the statistical data makes sense.
You should also look at how many dealerships there are in this country. More dealerships = more sales. ie. McDonalds on every corner.

https://camera-source.com/blog/ford-versus-chrysler-versus-gm

How much longer will this go on? The horse is sufficiently beaten..... You bought a Ranger that was junk and now your a Dodge fan-boy.....

Congratulate the man on his purchase and move on...

[tbone]

[QUOTE=Spectragod;1569861]How much longer will this go on? The horse is sufficiently beaten..... You bought a Ranger that was junk and now your a Dodge fan-boy.....

Congratulate the man on his purchase and move on...[/QUOTE


What are you, the conversation police? I'll stop making my point when it is fully understood and not when someone else decides. It isn't rocket science, at least to me. If you don't like it, go elsewhere.

GM is 1.6 or 60% bigger in terms of revenue (SALES) than Chrysler. 500k Rams sold x 60% = 300k. 300k + 500k = Wait for it........800K TRUCKS!!!!!!!

I already did congratulate the man if you took the time and care to read it.


[QUOTE=justbob;1569792]You’re right, us other 78%’ers are doing it all wrong. Certainly not wasting my time discussing basic mathematics on sales like just how much 800>500.

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[tbone]

I honestly wouldn’t take even a brand new Ram free of charge. I’d happily drive my beater till I could afford a truck. LOL

Seriously.

Edit: I’d take the free one! It would make for a quick flip. [emoji16]


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After I proudly posted a pic of my new Ram and this sarcasm was posted would make most people rather annoyed. :puke:

[Joe Walsh]

Back on topic and in an attempt to re-rail this thread....
OP: Did you trade in your DD Ranger?
... and if so, did they give you decent value for it?

BTW: Congrats on buying a nice truck!
Enjoy!!

[fastblackmerc]

Back on topic and in an attempt to re-rail this thread....
OP: Did you trade in your DD Ranger?
... and if so, did they give you decent value for it?

BTW: Congrats on buying a nice truck!
Enjoy!!
Going to sell the Ranger privately.

Thanks!

[Spectragod]

Going to sell the Ranger privately.



Thanks!



That is the best option, dealer will give nothing and rangers have a niche market, especially ones that have been cared for, GLWS..


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