351W stroker or Gen 3 Coyote?

[Joe Walsh]

I'm now planning the 'restomod' build for my long ignored '85 Mustang GT 5.0.
It will be getting a full Maximum Motorsports suspension along with a big brake set-up.
Also will be installing a Tremec Magnum 6 speed with aluminum driveshaft and a full 3" exhaust.

Originally my thought was to install a built 351W stroker motor....:hmmm:
Then, I read about the new 460HP Gen 3 Coyote crate engine and was sure that I would use that as a powerplant.
With headers, a tune and E85 the new Coyote can make 500 RWHP.

But....now, I'm leaning back to a 427W making 580 HP/560 TRQ.

Both engines will cost within $500 of each other.

What do you guys say:
Big cube, roller cammed pushrod thumper with a 4bbl carb?....or 5.0L DOHC Ti-VCT screamer with FI/DI?

[vkirkend]

Man this is hard!!!! 427???? I need to sleep on it.......

[justbob]

A true restomod would have the newest form of everything. [emoji1303]


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[guspech750]

I would go for technology just because of great drivability. I’d rather be cursing around, long trips and such in a nicely tuned fuel injected high revving machine. I’m assuming the Coyote is lighter too.


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[MMBLUE]

I would go for technology just because of great drivability. I’d rather be cursing around, long trips and such in a nicely tuned fuel injected high revving machine. I’m assuming the Coyote is lighter too.


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This ^^^^^^^^


Where the heck is the like button.

[MercLSU]

I'm not sure which is more or less expensive, but you can always throw on aftermarket EFI on that 427w if driveability is your concern. That may shift the balance of cost but probably not by too much. I may be against the grain here, but I'm currently refreshing a SBF stroker to replace a 32v 4.6 in my '65 Mustang so I'm not afraid to go "backwards". I will more than likely go with FiTech or something similar as opposed to a carb, but currently I'm not ruling anything out. Looking at your sig this won't be your daily driver, so I think it comes down to budget and personal preference

Also, I love the Eagles and enough of Joe Walsh's solo stuff...assuming your SN isn't just a coincidence. :)

[Marauderjack]

This is easy......427W Stroker........TORQUE MONSTER!!:D :burnout:

[offroadkarter]

With all the issues I've been seeing from gen 3 coyote owners on the 6th gen mustang forum, I would stick to the gen 2 if anything. Besides, do you really want to deal with setting up direct injection on an old car?

[Logan86]

Coyote over anything!

[Invective]

Leave it stock so everyone will be reminded of the car era in question.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/af/bf/04/afbf0480d9d0073260ea26e2c3ba5a aa---mustang-gt--years.jpg

[Mr. Man]

http://www.mercuryracing.com/automotive/

[Joe Walsh]

http://www.mercuryracing.com/automotive/

LOL....It took longer than I expected for someone to suggest the ubiquitous 'LS' swap...:shake: to even a DOHC LS swap.

[Joe Walsh]

.............................. I love that photo!!





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Leave it stock so everyone will be reminded of the car era in question.



Can't do that....I already modded it 30+ years ago!
Bonestock it ran 14.85s at 93 mph
With these mods it ran 13.50s at 102mph*:
3:55 8.8" Rear
Ported '87 fuelie heads with a mild cam
Shorty headers with 'off-road' H pipe
Underdrive pulleys
Reworked and rejetted OEM 600cfm 4 barrel.
Edelbrock intake manifold.

* That was a quick time back in the mid 80s.
It would run heads up with modded 5.0 fuelie Mustangs and embarass 5.0 AND 5.7L IROC-Zs....:D
It would even whip my best friend's '86 Grand National.....
until I hit 3rd gear.....:o
and then he would walk on by, like I had just dropped anchor....lol.

https://i.imgur.com/toelfX2l.jpg
(The hood wasn't latched in these pictures)

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Hoosier street drag radials got her hooked up!

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[Mr. Man]

LOL....It took longer than I expected for someone to suggest the ubiquitous 'LS' swap...:shake: to even a DOHC LS swap.
Hemmed and hawed about the LS angle, but have to admit it has impressive numbers. It looks pretty sweet too. :)

[cheapthrillb2]

Buddy of mine did a F. I. 96 351w in his early Bronco and made it disturborless. It was pretty sweet. He had it dialed in nicely.

[Marauderjack]

Stroker "Pushrod Motors" just belong in older cars......PERIOD!!:D

I wish I had my old '67 HEMI Charger right now.....it was REAL SCARY on Polyglas tires!!:beer::eek:

[MyBlackBeasts]

.....it was REAL SCARY on Polyglas tires!!:beer::eek:


Ain't that the truth!!!


Driving skill was mandatory back then. Just ask anyone that drove a Duster 383+.


900lb car with HUGE engine, no brakes, no suspension, on 6" wide polyglass tires, open diff and steering that was about equal to a kid's little red wagon...


It was soooo easy to lose control of those things! :eek: :) :burnout: :bows:

[1Marauder]

I would go for technology just because of great drivability. I’d rather be cursing around, long trips and such in a nicely tuned fuel injected high revving machine. I’m assuming the Coyote is lighter too.


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While I love the 427, and 455... Depending on how you plan t o use car, if often and long distance, ABOVE.

IF just for fun, and more local... 427.

[Joe Walsh]

Just read this today.....now leaning back towards the Coyote.
Look at these HP/TRQ numbers!!....:bows:

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/dyno-every-ford-coyote-intake-manifold-on-gen-3-crate/?cks=421102650&emailid=FP_FASTNEWS



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[crownvic97]

Those Gen 3 Coyote numbers are amazing!

What about Ford’s new 7.3 gas engine? Could be a great swap candidate in a few years if keeeping it pushrod is a concern.

[Keith]

Hey guys,

I may be showing my ignorance here - I am, after all, the owner of a DTR - but the simpler swap is very likely to be the 351W-based motor. That Coyote is a damn big motor dimensionally. I think you have to get into the shock towers or front subframe with that swap, just to make room for that monster.

Given that this is a Fox body, there will be kits aplenty for either one, but I'll bet that it will be easier to slap in the 427 stroker.


My $ 0.02
Keith in Huntsville
'04 DTR
MartyO tune

[Keith]

Hey guys,

I may be showing my ignorance here - I am, after all, the owner of a DTR - but the simpler swap is very likely to be the 351W-based motor. That Coyote is a damn big motor dimensionally. I think you have to get into the shock towers or front subframe with that swap, just to make room for that monster.

Given that this is a Fox body, there will be kits aplenty for either one, but I'll bet that it will be easier to slap in the 351W/427 stroker.


My $ 0.02
Keith in Huntsville
'04 DTR
MartyO tune

[Joe Walsh]

Yes....and no.
The Coyote will fit without any cutting of the shock towers. It's actually smaller than our 4.6 Marauder engines because of the Coyote's low profile cam covers. It will fit under a stock foxbody hood.
The 351/427W, because of the taller deck height and the taller Edelbrock intake manifold, requires an aftermarket hood and a set of drop motor mounts...... or a BIG aftermarket hood.
The carburated Windsor is a simpler install into an '85 Mustang.

[gdmjoe]

http://www.gdmjoe.com/gothf150/engine/50L-coyote-engine-dimensions.jpg
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[Joe Walsh]

Wow!

The 351W weighs 50 lbs less than an all aluminum Coyote!?...:eek:
I wonder if the listed 351W weight includes a cast iron intake manifold and cast iron heads?
If so, an aluminum head and intake stroker 351W would weigh a bunch less than the all aluminum Coyote.

BTW: Look at the weight of the cast iron block 4.6 SOHC modular!!!
600 lbs!....what a porker and a dog....:shake:
A 302W based 347 or 363 would kill a 4.6 SOHC both in performance and weight reduction.

EDIT: That weight chart posted above is screwed up.
See this:
https://www.enginelabs.com/news/ford-vs-chevy-comparison-size-weight-and-hp-per-pound/

Coyote's weigh @ 444 lbs.

[cre8d2go]

1. Economical. If you want to drive the car occasionally with minimal effort or cost, put the car back to stock with a new carb. More and more people truly appreciate a stock 85 GT. Want to drive the car more often, maybe Fitech the 302. This will keep the carb look. I have one and they work. Not as easy as everyone makes out to be on the install and setup, but not difficult. There are several things needed that will add to the cost. They also tend to run rich from the start. You still have to tune it. OR, swap over to 86-up EFI.

2. Expensive. Rarely drive the car with tire frying torque, go 351 stroker. It will be a monster and put a smile on your face every time you floor it, but will be a pain in the a** to drive any great distance and will sit in the garage most of the time. If you enjoy sitting and staring at the car in you garage, go for it. (You can do that in its current state) The 351 swap also requires a number of items as mentioned: hood, distributor, bracket, exhaust plus you will most likely have to upgrade the fuel system, trans, rear and suspension.

3. Expensive. Drive the car anytime, anywhere, any distance you want with incredible N/A power, revs to the moon and a smooth stock idle. (My opinion - they also sound awesome)
COYOTE............ This is very expensive and more work, especially if you want A/C and power steering.

[Bondfreak13]

Wow!

The 351W weighs 50 lbs less than an all aluminum Coyote!?...:eek:
I wonder if the listed 351W weight includes a cast iron intake manifold and cast iron heads?
If so, an aluminum head and intake stroker 351W would weigh a bunch less than the all aluminum Coyote.

Coyote's weigh @ 444 lbs.

They Sell Aluminum blocks for the 351w. The blocks weigh just over 100lbs.

[crownvic97]

I can’t help but feel like this thread probably made your decision even harder rather than helping you pick. :confused:

[Joe Walsh]

Those Gen 3 Coyote numbers are amazing!

What about Ford’s new 7.3 gas engine? Could be a great swap candidate in a few years if keeeping it pushrod is a concern.

Probably won't be available by the time I 'pull the trigger' on engine choice.
But, I cant wait to see if they put it in a new 'BOSS 429' 2021 Mustang.


I can’t help but feel like this thread probably made your decision even harder rather than helping you pick. :confused:

Yep....I'm still doing research and comparing the 2 options....haven't decided yet.
My original plan, from years ago (before I bought and started dropping mod money on my Marauder) was to drop in a nice 351W....
then I started seeing all of these nasty big cube Windsor stroker motors....
then I see what the new Coyote is putting out.....
then .... :o

[Joe Walsh]

And now to add a 3rd...and leading candidate:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-Z2363RT

About the same cost as the other 2 options except that it is a true drop-in for my OEM '85 5.0L.
Everything will bolt onto the BOSS 8.2 inch deck block with no mods.
:hmmm: .....maybe run an FiTech set-up on an Edelbrock manifold.

[stevengerard]

I have no opinion beyond the fact that having numerous big block vintage muscle cars I really appreciate the ability to drive the Marauder long distances in comfort and confidence. Nothing like cruising the streets in a vintage drop top but... the older I get the more I like reliability, safety and comfort.

On a separate note I'm in awe of the effort and money you are willing to invest in modifying a car. One day I would like to do that myself, be it building a cobra kit car or doing a resto mod etc. But the practical guy in me looks at the dollars and time you are going to invest and thinks, heck for 25% - 50% more you can buy someone else's completed project—but that's not the point I'm sure - its the design and wrenching that you value and that's awesome.

[Joe Walsh]

I know exactly what you mean.
I drove the Cobra up to a regional SAAC show on Sunday.
Coming home it was hot and sunny.
Was driving the Cobra fun?
Sure!....but it's got manual steering, manual brakes, no A/C, is loud as heck and gets about 6 - 8 mpg.
Would I take it on a long trip?
No!...I'm getting too old for that.
The heated and cooled seats of the Fusion along with A/C and a dead quiet interior make more sense for a comfy long distance trip.

My budget for the '85 is around $20,000.
Believe me, I keep hemming and hawing about dropping 20 large on an old Fox body Mustang.
But I can't see dropping 45-50 large on a new Mustang!
I guess it'll be a mid 80s restomod.
And I do look forward to wrenching on/modding the Mustang to get it back up and running fast again.
Being a carbureted engine there is no computers nor fuel injection... plus no emissions testing is nice.

BTW: At the SAAC show there was an early 90s Fox notch with a Coyote swap....:drool:

[Joe Walsh]

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[hotford]

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Sorry this isn't accurate, only shows the older Mod motors up to 2004 Coyote fully dressed are 444 LBS.

[Joe Walsh]

My '85 Mustang is a pushrod SBF, carbureted car....and so it will stay.

363 cid SBF it is!
Dart SHP 4 bolt main block.
AFR heads with Mahle forged pistons.

4.125" bore x 3.40" stroke = 363.5 CID = 6.0 Liters

Still an 8.2" deck engine, so all the OEM 5.0 stuff will bolt right on....no modding necessary.

Depending on the camshaft, (Hey! I only have to buy ONE!!)
I'm looking for @ 525 HP....should be quite a bit of fun in my 'tin can' 3,100 lb, 4 eyed Foxbody.

Just got the pistons today.
Forged 4032 aluminum pistons, so I can run a nice tight piston-to-cylinder wall clearance....no piston slap.
The pistons have a 1mm x 1mm x 2mm ring pack that does not cut into the pin bore like the 347 SBF strokers.
Also have Grafal anti-friction coating on the skirts.
Should be around 10.6:1 compression.
Next up, the Callies CompStar forged crank and 5.4" forged rods.

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[justbob]

Nice Joe! You building this yourself?


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[Joe Walsh]

That's the plan....I'll have a local machine shop check the Dart block and do any machining necessary.
Apparently the SHP blocks are nicely finished from Dart.
Thick webbing and 4 bolt mains make it pretty much bullet proof. (Now I don't have to worry about splitting my OEM 5.0 roller block down the middle!)
If you choose, you can bore them out to 4.185" and run a 3.5" stroker crank for a 385 CID 8.2" deck SBF!....:eek:

Working on SBF pushrod V8s is SO much simpler than the Marauder's 4.6 DOHC.

[Mr. Man]

Uncle Joe the kids want to know "What's a pushrod?" :D

[justbob]

That’s awesome Joe! Besides swapping out crank bearings on a daily clunker to quiet down a knock for another day/month/year on a gamble that’s about all I’m willing to do internally. I figure it’s doomed anywho at that point..

I’m asked what I can’t do quite often. Of course being a 70’s kid my obvious answer to that is “absolutely nothing” and I don’t need YouTube to teach me like todays dumbed down and sensitive youth!

The right question is: What are you NOT willing to do? PLENTY! Such as spend good money on building my own engine when I hear of so many good shops that can’t even build one right! I’ll stick to welding and fabrication.. [emoji1303]


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[Grimrepairman]

Uncle Joe the kids want to know "What's a pushrod?" :D
:rofl:

Or "What's a carburetor? "

[Grimrepairman]

Joe, looks like a great build. Should be tons of fun when it's done. Good luck and keep us updated.

[Joe Walsh]

I bought the Magnum 6 speed and QuikTime bellhousing back in the early Spring.

I had blown up the OEM T-5 way back when ...lol (guessing late 80s)
I put Hoosier drag tires on it for the track....First run on the stickies....she was hookin' & bookin'..... and when I snagged 3rd gear the T5 blew up....bang!
Weird thing was that I still had 5th gear! I drove all the way home from the track in 5th gear, with metal gear pieces pinging and banging around inside the transmission....:eek:
Bought a Ford Motorsports HD T-5 to replace it, but I know that it wouldn't last long behind a built 363.


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[Joe Walsh]

Holy COVID delays Batman!!!

The DART 8.2" SHP Small Block Ford castings have a minimum 16 - 22 week lead time on them!!

They are cast and machined in the good 'ole USA (Michigan)

They tell me that I won't get my block until early next year!!.....maybe!

Also waiting on AFR Renegade 195 SBF heads....I should have them by the end of this year.

The Edelbrock RPM AirGap Intake manifold is also on backorder because Edelbrock shut down their casting facility in California* and moved it to Mississippi.
I don't have ANY idea when they will start to produce aluminum intake manifolds from their new facility!

*The Communist State of California finally figured out how to force one of their best employers OUT of the State....Great Job Nancy!!!

[blkdvll]

Holy COVID delays Batman!!!

The DART 8.2" SHP Small Block Ford castings have a minimum 16 - 22 week lead time on them!!

They are cast and machined in the good 'ole USA (Michigan)

They tell me that I won't get my block until early next year!!.....maybe!

Also waiting on AFR Renegade 195 SBF heads....I should have them by the end of this year.

The Edelbrock RPM AirGap Intake Mainifold is also on backorder because Edelbrock shut down their casting facility in California* and moved it to Mississippi.
I don't have ANY idea when they will start to produce aluminum intake manifolds from their new facility!

The Communist State of California finally figured out how to force one of their best employers OUT of the State....Great Job Nancy!!!

I think you'll be very happy going SBF over a coyote. Everything will be easier. I made almost 400rwtq on my bolt on Gen 1 L.

[Mr. Man]

Get a SBC and be done tomorrow. :poke::D

[BUCKWHEAT]

This is easy......427W Stroker........TORQUE MONSTER!!:D :burnout:

agree. simpler, and you are not taking long trips in a fox body anyway.

[justbob]

Hell no. That would all be cancelled orders on my end! There is always a better route to achieve an even higher goal, it’s just not always easily found and usually costs a bit more..


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[massacre]

Like was mentioned, the 3rd gen Coyote has some additional headaches over the gen 2.

[bigcowl-imp]

Ls = no need for aftermarket blocks, cranks, rods, heads, rocker arms, lifters.........and go 9's in the 1/4 on motor with pump gas...

I have a dry sump Ls7 long block for sale.......I could cut the crank here at Roush so you can go wet sump.... ; )

[Joe Walsh]

Ls = no need for aftermarket blocks, cranks, rods, heads, rocker arms, lifters.........and go 9's in the 1/4 on motor with pump gas...

I have a dry sump Ls7 long block for sale.......I could cut the crank here at Roush so you can go wet sump.... ; )LOL.
You still pushing that LS stuff?
I'll leave that for the few IROC-Zs that still might be left on the road.

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[Joe Walsh]

Update:
I'm waiting on the DART 8.2" block and the Edelbrock RPM AirGap intake manifold.
My engine builder says that LOTS of parts are on SERIOUS long lead time/backorder right now.
Even Chevy SB parts are on backorder....lol
January looks like the delivery time for most of the backordered parts.
I just ordered the 5 lug rims and the Holley Sniper Stealth EFI for the car.

[blazen71]

It took 5 weeks to get an American made forged rotating assembly from Manley. it's scheduled to deliver on Monday.

[Blown3.8]

Joe, if you can, get the sniper with the remote ECM. Think its the terminator series. It seems the fords have RFI problems because the computer is near the dizzy.

But who knows could be careless installs.

[Joe Walsh]

I'd heard that the FiTech systems can have problems with Ignition noise/RFI...nothing about the Holley Sniper systems.
I'll have to carefully route the ignition wires as far away from the ECM as possible and maybe even shield the ECM form the distributor.

[Blown3.8]

If you are on facebook, there is a group and you can read all the horror stories. Lol. I have the super sniper for my V6 build so we'll see how it goes.

[Joe Walsh]

If you are on facebook, there is a group and you can read all the horror stories. Lol. I have the super sniper for my V6 build so we'll see how it goes.

Nope...No social media here!
and I sleep so well too.

(Zuckerberg makes my skin crawl)

[Mr. Man]

If you are on facebook, there is a group and you can read all the horror stories. Lol. I have the super sniper for my V6 build so we'll see how it goes.
Facebook? How 2017 of you.:P

[Joe Walsh]

The Fedex man dropped off some goodies for the Foxbody 363 build!

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[musclemerc]

Nice setup Joe

[Mr. Man]

Ahhh nostalgia. ;)

[justbob]

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That man that goes by “Joe Walsh”

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[Joe Walsh]

LOL

Looks like a Holley 4 bbl carburetor sitting under the air cleaner....actually a TB FI system that monitors and controls A/F ratios, idle speed, cold start, and the ignition advance/curve.

No more changing; jet sizes, power valves, accelerator pump cams, idle speed, initial timing, distributor advance weights and springs, no more sticking choke nor choke plate in the way of airflow.... :blah:

( I do have to swap out the cast iron dizzy gear on the Sniper unit for a steel gear to match the steel roller cam.)

[justbob]

LOL

Looks like a Holley 4 bbl carburetor sitting under the air cleaner....actually a TB FI system that monitors and controls A/F ratios, idle speed, cold start, and the ignition advance/curve.

No more changing jet sizes, power valves, accelerator pump cams, idle speed, initial timing, distributor advance weights and springs... :blah:

( I do have to swap out the cast iron dizzy gear on the Sniper unit for a steel gear to match the steel roller cam.)

Yeah I know them, I just love the modern day tech but undercover. Same as I like a good audio system but completely out of sight.

I just thought of this meme I’d been saving and you fit the bill LOL


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[Joe Walsh]

Yeah I know them, I just love the modern day tech but undercover. Same as I like a good audio system but completely out of sight.

I just thought of this meme I’d been saving and you fit the bill LOL



That's the look that I'm going for....a 'lightly modded' OEM 4 bbl 5.0L with the stock dual snorkle air cleaner....heh heh heh :D


Love the meme!

[Joe Walsh]

Here is the dyno results from a very similar 363 build...only this build used AFR 205s vs. AFR 195s for my engine build.
I'm shooting for my peak torque to be 400-500 rpm lower = 4800 -> 5000 rpm.

https://youtu.be/JA4qgprco4s

590 HP / 518 Lb Ft TRQ ......:eek:

[Blown3.8]

Yey parts!

[Joe Walsh]

More parts!

Nick at American Racing Headers made a set of 1-3/4" x 3" S.S. foxbody headers along with a 3" X-pipe for me.
Super quality, and made in America!

Also, they have the O2 bung welded in for use with the Sniper EFI system.

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[Joe Walsh]

Oops..... here's the pix.

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[Phrog_gunner]

Did someone say bung?

[Joe Walsh]

Did someone say bung?

Why would I expect you to not pick up on the 'bung' comment.....LMAO

[Phrog_gunner]

Good thing you didn't post a pic of the bung, then the real crazies would have shown up.

[justbob]

Good thing you didn't post a pic of the bung, then the real crazies would have shown up.

How is Casey?


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[Joe Walsh]

Good Gawd!

COVID has made getting engine parts such a difficult task!
Lead times are friggin' ridiculous!!

I finally received my AFR Renegade 195 aluminum cylinder heads and my Edelbrock RPM Air-Gap intake manifold.

Should have the Callies Compstar 3.4" crank and 5.4" rods within the next 2 weeks.

I am still waiting for DART to deliver my SHP 4 bolt main 4.125" bore block.

I'll post engine part 'porn' pictures when I get a chance.

[Joe Walsh]

Hurray!
Finally got the Dart SHP 8.2" block.

4.125" bore with 4 bolt main caps.

[Joe Walsh]

Should provide a stout foundation for a 363 small block.

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[Joe Walsh]

Callies 5.4" H beam rods with ARP 2000 Capscrew bolts, light and strong.....
good to 800 HP.


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[Joe Walsh]

Edelbrock RPM AirGap dual plane intake manifold

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AFR Renegade 195 Aluminum heads

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FORD Motorsport Valve Covers

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[Mr. Man]

Where's the balancing equipment? Don't see it in the background. :dunno:

[Blown3.8]

Nice parts!

[blazen71]

Gonna give the old Cobra a run for it's money?

[Joe Walsh]

Where's the balancing equipment? Don't see it in the background. :dunno:

Rotating assembly just got balanced for Internal '0' Balance engine....no 28 oz nor 50 oz harmonic balancer needed!




Nice parts!


Thanks....more to follow.




Gonna give the old Cobra a run for it's money?

It will be a handful, but I think the Cobra will still be quicker....probably come down to how sticky the tires are, and how well I can get it to hook.

Interestingly, this 363cid SBF engine will be close* to the Cobra's 468cid FE engine in HP, but even a light Foxbody is 700 lbs heavier than the Cobra.

* ICE technology keeps advancing and its pretty amazing what you can get out of well built engines.

[blackcar]

Here is my two cents. Forget the mustang I want to see a 427 in a marauder with a 6 speed.
Has anyone done that yet?

[Joe Walsh]

Personally, I'm hoping to buy another Marauder with a wasted 4.6 modular and put in a Jon Kaase BOSS 429 punched out to 521cid with a 6 speed!

[the fat bastid]

Personally, I'm hoping to buy another Marauder with a wasted 4.6 modular and put in a Jon Kaase BOSS 429 punched out to 521cid with a 6 speed!

You want to get back into a Marauder? Great to hear! You did good work on yours.

[blackcar]

521cid with a 6 speed! OK, YES!

[jflave]

Personally, I'm hoping to buy another Marauder with a wasted 4.6 modular and put in a Jon Kaase BOSS 429 punched out to 521cid with a 6 speed!
Love the way you think Joe.

[Joe Walsh]

363 SBF is nearing completion!

I was going to use a Crower shaft mount stainless steel roller rocker set-up but they have gone from $1,150
then went up to $1,400
and now Crower wants $2,150 for the set-up!!
And they are on backorder!

I'm going with the Comp Cams Ultra Pro Magnum stainless steel 7/16" stud mount roller rockers for $450 a set.
Just saved $1,700 on rocker arms!

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[Mr. Man]

Is there going to be enough room for the 6-71 under the hood w/o cutting?

[Joe Walsh]

Is there going to be enough room for the 6-71 under the hood w/o cutting?


6-71 blower!?

Now THAT is old school .... but I like it!

Nope, that won't clear a stock hood....:hmmm:

But a turbo fits nicely under the stock hood.

[Mr. Man]

6-71 blower!?

Now THAT is old school .... but I like it!

Nope, that won't clear a stock hood....:hmmm:

But a turbo fits nicely under the stock hood. Turbo!? Oye vey! Remind me to send you a bouquet of pansies. :poke:

[MMBLUE]

Nice build !!!

[Joe Walsh]

It's all finished!

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[mustangeddie]

Looks great Joe hope it runs as good as it looks.

[Joe Walsh]

Thanks Eddie!
I am getting psyched up to finally get the old '85 Foxbody back on the streets again.
My original intent was to assemble it myself....but the parts were so dang expensive that I didn't trust myself.
One silly mistake could have translated into a LOT of lost time, effort and money.

Rick Leggett built the FE for the 427 Cobra and its still running flawlessly after 20 years.
So, I trusted him to put the 363 SBF together right.
He told me that he built almost the exact 363 a year ago for another customer, and it dynoed at 584 HP and 500 LB-FT of Torque! (flywheel)

[blazen71]

Is your brother going to drive the Cobra when you race? And will he be able to keep up? :P

[Ms. Denmark]

Hey Joe! Looking good! Goin' zoomies?;)

[Joe Walsh]

Is your brother going to drive the Cobra when you race? And will he be able to keep up? :P

I'm sure that a 'run-in-Mexico' speed contest is in the near future!

It will be a severely traction limited race....but what's a little tire smoke between friends?

[justbob]

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It will be a no traction race….[QUOTE]

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[jflave]

Looks great Joe, enjoy.

[Peace2Peep]

Wow! I CANNOT wait to see this baby done!

I'm thinking of keeping my 83 stock, but looking out for another to restomod!

52685

[Joe Walsh]

I'm thinking of keeping my 83 stock, but looking out for another to restomod!

52685

Nice '83 GT!!

Did it come with that 'GT' logo back by the hatch?
I've never seen that before.

Aren't those 390mm TRX tires 'fun' to find and pay $$$ for?

[Peace2Peep]

Nice '83 GT!!

Thanks!! I love it!

Did it come with that 'GT' logo back by the hatch?
I've never seen that before.

Yeah! It was added as a dealer installed option...along with the louvers in the rear window.

Aren't those 390mm TRX tires 'fun' to find and pay $$$ for?

Lord have mercy! I am in need of a set right now (My car tires date code is (09/83) Ha! Ha! BUT the originals still hold air and ride well! (They truly made them different back then...but it rides on alternate wheels when driving over 20 mph)

[Joe Walsh]

Lord have mercy! I am in need of a set right now (My car tires date code is (09/83) Ha! Ha! BUT the originals still hold air and ride well! (They truly made them different back then...but it rides on alternate wheels when driving over 20 mph)

My brother had an '84 GT350 with the TRX rims.
Apparently Coker bought the rights to mold the Metric TRX tires.
When he HAD to buy a new set of TRX tires for his GT350 it cost him $400 EACH!

If I had a Foxbody with those TRX rims, and really wanted to keep it original looking,
I'd buy a set of reproduction 16" TRX rims from LMR and never have to worry about those stupid Metric TRX rims again.
LOTS of P225 & P245-16 tire choices.

[Krytin]

Hey Joe, if you ever bring it down to Ocean City, let me know, the new retirement homestead is 30 miles south of O/C in Virginia. Also got a new ride to go with the house.

[Mr. Man]

Hey Joe, if you ever bring it down to Ocean City, let me know, the new retirement homestead is 30 miles south of O/C in Virginia. Also got a new ride to go with the house. Are you going to rat it out? ;)

[Joe Walsh]

Hey Joe, if you ever bring it down to Ocean City, let me know, the new retirement homestead is 30 miles south of O/C in Virginia. Also got a new ride to go with the house.

We are driving over to Delaware tomorrow to look at houses in the Ocean View/Bethany Beach/Selbyville area.
We're tired of Maryland's traffic, troubles & TAXES.
Hardly ever go into downtown Baltimore anymore.....too sketchy at night.
Time for a change!

Hey!
Nice T-bird!!
How do you like it?
Marianne likes those T-birds, and we talked about buying one.
Of course she likes the rare (only 700 made) Coral and white '007 edition'.

[TooManyFords]

Good to see a project come together!

[Krytin]

Are you going to rat it out? ;)

No, I kinda like this one the way it is. Unlike the Marauder,I never pull up next to one that looks just like it! 😂

[Krytin]

We are driving over to Delaware tomorrow to look at houses in the Ocean View/Bethany Beach/Selbyville area.
We're tired of Maryland's traffic, troubles & TAXES.
Hardly ever go into downtown Baltimore anymore.....too sketchy at night.
Time for a change!

Hey!
Nice T-bird!!
How do you like it?
Marianne likes those T-birds, and we talked about buying one.
Of course she likes the rare (only 700 made) Coral and white '007 edition'.
Hope you find something nice!
The Tbird is pretty cool. It's got 50k on it and I already had to put a fuel pump in it. Has a nice power to weight ratio and handles well.
Reminds me of the TR 6 I got to drive when I was a new driver, only a little bigger and less finicky.
I'll send you my cell number or email if you want to get into the nitty gritty I've been learning.