Ford Racing 4R70W Tranny Pan Installed

[Donny Carlson]

Part no. M-7195-4R, purchase through Reinhart Automotive (vendor) or other FRP dealer (I purchased mine in the Atlanta area)

An extremely nice part, it holds two more quarts of tranmission fluid. I had this installed while Steve at Team Ford installed my PI Torque Converter, and had the filter changed as well. I also ordered a temperature sending unit from Dakota Digital and had Steve tap the pan and install it, even though the gauge won't go in for a couple more weeks.

The first shot is the stock pan (this one one the project car, which is slated to have a FRP pan identical to this installed... except it will be powdercoated black)

The second and third shots show my new pan, and a closer shot of the sending unit.

[tmac1337]

Looks good Donny, what do you think of the PI converter? Nice huh! You'll be itching like me to S/C soon.

[Donny Carlson]

Looks good Donny, what do you think of the PI converter? Nice huh! You'll be itching like me to S/C soon.
Haven't driven it yet. It's sitting on a lift at Team Ford right now. Aric will be reflashing my chip per Steve's recommendations for lockup, and Aric has a new file that eliminates "tip-in"

[MarauderMark]

That sure does look great! I like it .Purchased from the DR rite?Mee too.. :up:

[jgc61sr2002]

Donny - I agree, that trans pan looks great. :up: The larger fluid capacity is a major benefit. :)

[Donny Carlson]

Donny - I agree, that trans pan looks great. :up: The larger fluid capacity is a major benefit. :)
Thanks! Here's another shot taken today by Todd.

[cyclone03]

I ordered mine from the local dealer,$50 off list.
Should be in this week.

[hitchhiker]

I ordered mine from the local dealer,$50 off list.
Should be in this week.

Hey Ray (Dealer) Can you get these?

Thanks,

David

[Donny Carlson]

Hey Ray (Dealer) Can you get these?

Thanks,

David
I'm not ray, but I'll still point out that he has posted a couple times that he does not handle Ford Racing Parts, only regular Ford Parts.

You can buy this from Dennis Reinhart or Kenny Brown, both of whom are FRP dealers and both are vendors here. Or, if you have an SVT dealer near you, it's likely they can order it. Ford Racing's web site (and catalog -- and their ad in the current MM&FF) also has a list of dealers by state.

[Logan]

I think that looks nicer than the B&M pan...

[joflewbyu2]

To each it own. The B&M racing pan holds 1 more quart of more fluid, the pan has more cooling fin area, the drain bolt is not the lowest point of the pan which is succeptable to damage, and the pan offers basically the same clearance after you count the solid piece of the Ford Racing pan hanging lower and the drain bolt. The B&M racing is 4 7/16 from the mating surface, the Ford Racing is 4 4/16 plus the drain plug.

[BruteForce]

I'm not ray, but I'll still point out that he has posted a couple times that he does not handle Ford Racing Parts, only regular Ford Parts.

You can buy this from Dennis Reinhart or Kenny Brown, both of whom are FRP dealers and both are vendors here. Or, if you have an SVT dealer near you, it's likely they can order it. Ford Racing's web site (and catalog -- and their ad in the current MM&FF) also has a list of dealers by state.

DR sent the Art Carr deep pan when I ordered from him.
http://www.artcarr.com/catalog/images/p33_2.jpg

[joflewbyu2]

Any of the deep aluminum finned pans are better than stock, glad to see the variety of different styles.

[FiveO]

DR has these eh? Might have to call :)

[FordNut]

Any of the deep aluminum finned pans are better than stock, glad to see the variety of different styles.

Yeah, that's what I'm talkin about!

[MENINBLK]

I also ordered a temperature sending unit from Dakota Digital and had Steve tap the pan and install it, even though the gauge won't go in for a couple more weeks.

Donny,

The ATX Oil Temperature Sender doesn't belong in the pan.
If it did belong in the pan, there would have been a provision for you to install it.
It actually belongs INLINE with the ATX Oil Cooling lines
between the OUT of the ATX and the IN of the ATX Oil Cooler.
Autometer sells an ATX Oil Temp Sender MANIFOLD to do the tap.
The HOTTEST Oil temp you can possibly read is where the oil EXITS the ATX on its way to the ATX Oil Cooler.

After the oil returns from the cooler, it is dumped into the ATX Pan.
You will be reading a temperature that can be anywhere from 60 to 100 deg cooler than what you want to read.

[RF Overlord]

Autometer sells an ATX Oil Temp Sender MANIFOLD to do the tap.

That does it for me...I'm adding a trans temp gauge...didn't want to drill and tap stuff, so this AutoMeter manifold looks perfect...it comes in two sizes: 3/8" and 5/16"...which cooler-line size do we have?

*EDIT* Oh, yeah...which line is the one TO the cooler?

[Donny Carlson]

The ATX Oil Temperature Sender doesn't belong in the pan.
If it did belong in the pan, there would have been a provision for you to install it.
It actually belongs INLINE with the ATX Oil Cooling lines between the OUT of the ATX and the IN of the ATX Oil Cooler. Autometer sells an ATX Oil Temp Sender MANIFOLD to do the tap. The HOTTEST Oil temp you can possibly read is where the oil EXITS the ATX on its way to the ATX Oil Cooler. After the oil returns from the cooler, it is dumped into the ATX Pan. You will be reading a temperature that can be anywhere from 60 to 100 deg cooler than what you want to read.I appreciate this information.

I did not select this location. I handed Steve the master Tranny Tech at Team the sending unit and said "please tap and install this." He said nothing about installing a sender in the fluid cooling lines. What you see in my photos are where Steve chose to install the sending unit.

Also, both the tech that will install the gauge, Jason, and the tech of techs Scott, both saw where the sender was installed and neither said anything about it being a poor choice for a sending unit location.

Logan, posting about the sending unit, suggested using an unused bung on the side of the tranny, and if I'm not mistaken, later recommended putting it in the pan.

I note that Dennis Reinhart also selected a similar location when he posted about this deep pan install, towit:

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/deeppan.JPG


I say all this not to disagree with you, but to explain why the sending unit is where it is. Too bad you didn't post this a few days ago, I could have discussed it with the guys.

[CRUZTAKER]

Northside Ford in San Antonio, TX. is currently offering the best best price on the M7195-4R. None of the other Ford performance shops came within $50 of their price...and some even lauged in disbelief!

They are in the phonebook, take advantage before this deal goes south.:D

[MENINBLK]

Donny,

I have yet to find anyone that is as knowledgeable as the wealth of information available on the Internet.
Most of us become knowledgeable through experiences that we have had, that just didn't sound right,
and when we seek out the advice of others, they simply shrug at us and say, "Sounds Good To Me !".

When someone comes across to me as someone who really doesn't know enough to be 'QUALIFIED' for what they do,
I tend to do the research myself and ask a lot of other people a lot of questions.

When I had MAJOR transmission problems and the only symptom I could produce was HEAT,
no one would listen without evidence.
I had printouts of Alex Peper's screens showing Transmission Fluid Temperature readings of 365 deg.
When the screens were showed to FORD Technical Support, they said it was IMPOSSIBLE... The ATX would have MELTED DOWN by then...

The only way I could provide Visual Live evidence was by installing a Transmission Oil Temperature Gauge.
I chose the Autometer Gauge because it was the most complete and accurate gauge that was still affordable and easy to install.
Autometer suggested that the sender be installed using their MANIFOLD either immediately after the oil exits the transmission on the way to the cooler,
or immediately before the oil enters the stock radiator cooler.

This differs from Motor Oil Temperature since Motor Oil is its HOTTEST when it has drained back into the Oil Pan.

Most technicians will assume that the Transmission is as operational as the Engine when it comes to measuring oil temperatures, when it is very different.
The PCM's Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor is mounted in the same area as the shift solenoids
and it measures the temperature of the oil as it leaves the ATX oil pump and as it travels to each of the solenoids.
The ATX Oil that leaves the transmission on the way to the cooler is routed from the bypass valve in the ATX Oil Pump.
The oil path in most ATX is from the pan to 1/2 of the pump to the Torque Converter,
then back to the 2/2 of the pump and split between the oil cooler, lubrication, and pressurization of clutches.
From there the oil gets dumped back into the oil pan, where it mixes with oil cooled from the ATX Oil cooler and is picked up by the ATX Oil Sump/Filter.

The Heat Generator in the transmission is the Torque Converter.
In an engine, the heat generator is the act of combustion.
They are located in two different areas of the oil circulatory system and need to be read in different areas.

If you were to ask a lot of different Transmission Technicians where to install the temperature sender,
the majority of them would have told you that the pan is the last place to put it.

Once your gauge has been installed, it becomes very easy to read when the transmission is in need of service.
The average temperature, with an aftermarket ATX Air-to-Oil cooler installed during the summer months should be between 150 and 170 degrees.
During the really cold 20 deg winter days, you may not see temperatures rise over 100 degrees.
When the temperatures tend to creep up past these averages, take it as an indication
that the oil is losing its heat transferring properties and needs to be replaced.

[MENINBLK]

That does it for me...I'm adding a trans temp gauge...didn't want to drill and tap stuff, so this AutoMeter manifold looks perfect...it comes in two sizes: 3/8" and 5/16"...which cooler-line size do we have?

*EDIT* Oh, yeah...which line is the one TO the cooler?

Easiest way to measure the line is with an Open End Wrench. :D
If a 5/16" wrench fits snugly on the LINE, not the COUPLING, then it is 5/16" line.
If the wrench is TOO SMALL, try a 3/8" Open End Wrench.
Whichever wrench fits is the line size.

To find the line that EXITS the ATX, trace the line that comes from the TOP of the ATX Oil Cooler.