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crimzon
06-25-2004, 09:41 AM
Haha, On my way to lunch, See a firetruck sitting next to a hotel... Upon looking closer, My friend (Cobratone) asks if that car drove into the hotel... Well, I look over, and see the back of a Town Car sticking out of the hotel...

Snapped a few pics on the way to lunch. After our 45 minute lunch, grabbed some better pics (After the firefighters telling us to take some good pictures of it) of the tow truck pulling the car out.

Next post has yet another idiot I encountered today...

crimzon
06-25-2004, 09:43 AM
Almost back to the office, still laughing about the town car. A GTP pulls out of the courthouse, cutting me off, upon looking at the rear end, something isnt right...

Looking, the inside of the tire was shredded. This guy has been driving on his rim/remnants of this tire for quite a few miles...

Be glad you dont have to deal with Florida drivers...

duhtroll
06-25-2004, 09:56 AM
Pontiac = Driving Excrement

Yeah, I coined it.

:P

-A

duhtroll
06-25-2004, 09:57 AM
OK, OK, sorry TTA. I just have never liked Pontiacs. Every time I go look at them I get bad salespeople and I'm never happy with the seating, visibility, and other things.

-A

crimzon
06-25-2004, 10:05 AM
OK, OK, sorry TTA. I just have never liked Pontiacs. Every time I go look at them I get bad salespeople and I'm never happy with the seating, visibility, and other things.

-A
I cant stand the interior. My wife had a grand am when we got married. I could only stand it for 2 weeks before making her get a new truck.

RF Overlord
06-25-2004, 10:10 AM
Pontiac = Driving Excrement

BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA...

BTW, that driver may not have been as big a moron as it might seem...this may be a FWD issue...my boss's boss (from many years ago) had one of those big ol' FWD Cadillacs that had what was supposed to resemble an old Rolls Royce or Bentley back end...wicked ugly (this was in the early 80s)...anyway I saw him leaving the parking lot with his left rear tire completely flat...I flagged him down, and when he got out to check, he couldn't believe it...never felt a thing, he said...I believed him as the tire looked like he'd been driving on it for quite a while...and he's certainly not the only person I've seen driving a FWD car with one of the rear tires flat or near-flat...

RoyLPita
06-25-2004, 10:10 AM
Do you think stuff like that only happens up there? There was an old man who created a "drive thru" in a local post office with a Grand Marquis.

BTW, I like the morons who drive 65+MPH on I95 with a temporary tire on.

crimzon
06-25-2004, 10:15 AM
haha, this happens all the time in Ocala. An elderly guy drove his buick riviera into my favorite gas station, closing it for 2 days 2 weeks ago. A week before that, one drove his Grand Marquis in the dining area at a local McDonald's.

This was just the first time that I had my camera to take pictures of it.

Fourth Horseman
06-25-2004, 11:08 AM
Haha, On my way to lunch, See a firetruck sitting next to a hotel... Upon looking closer, My friend (Cobratone) asks if that car drove into the hotel... Well, I look over, and see the back of a Town Car sticking out of the hotel...


Damn. That was a nice car, too. :(

David Morton
06-25-2004, 11:16 AM
You get used to this kind of thing after 4-5 years living here. First you have to accept that political concerns keep the licencing requirements in the 19th century (horse and buggy) and then you learn how to spot the 'lost and confused' as they amble to the shuffleboard tournaments all over town, then you learn how to drive defensively through the obstacle course that has slow vehicles that randomly turn into mobile aggressive pylons to dodge around.

Anybody that can drive in Bradenton for ten years and not hit or get hit by one of these octogenarian dopplegangers should be able to qualify for the Daytona 500. :lol:

Bluerauder
06-25-2004, 11:22 AM
You get used to this kind of thing after 4-5 years living here. "...snip..." :lol:

Is it true that leaving your turn signals on permanently is legal in Florida?? I heard that it was technically called "An Eventual Left" (or right as the case may be).

BTW. Northern Virginia has its share of poor drivers also.

Marc
06-25-2004, 11:22 AM
I'm not surprised at all about the crap that goes on in Florida. After all, this was the state where people had difficulty in punching a hole in a voting ballot. Then tried to use as an excuse that they were not smart enough to figure out how to use the ballot to vote, as if the rest of the country would find that a perfectly reasonable excuse.

crimzon
06-25-2004, 11:41 AM
I'm not surprised at all about the crap that goes on in Florida. After all, this was the state where people had difficulty in punching a hole in a voting ballot. Then tried to use as an excuse that they were not smart enough to figure out how to use the ballot to vote, as if the rest of the country would find that a perfectly reasonable excuse.
lol, hey, that was mostly south florida. ;-)

David is right, I'm used to this stuff happening. It's always nice to get a pic of a nice Town Car plowing into a local motel.

And I agree, if you can survive 10 years in florida without getting rammed by one of these drivers, you can drive me around anytime. (fyi, I only trust 1 other person driving me around now....)

crimzon
06-25-2004, 11:44 AM
BTW, I like the morons who drive 65+MPH on I95 with a temporary tire on.
Wish I had my camera a few weeks ago, was passed by a toyota corolla going 80+ towing a UHaul 4x8 trailer with what looked like 95% of the weight on the tounge, the corolla having a temp spare on the front right. Talk about a death wish.

Amsoil_Dealer
06-25-2004, 12:03 PM
There sure are a lot of idiots down here. I got cut off by an old man yesterday who just had to get out to the left lane for no apprenet reason. He never saw me coming and when I gave him a firendly toot toot to let him know I was there, he got so flustered he almost stopped right there in the middle of the highway. It happens everyday. They really ought to have mandatory driver's tests every year down here. At least 10% of the drivers should not be on the road.

Don

Smokie
06-25-2004, 12:05 PM
Yes, strange things do happen in Florida. The majority of those things are done by people that came from somewhere else; then they are quick to tell you how much better everything is in their home state....which of course they were forced to leave....so they could be here now and tell me how bad Florida is.

RoyLPita
06-25-2004, 12:05 PM
Don,
How about a new push bar for the CV Sport of yours?!

CRUZTAKER
06-25-2004, 12:32 PM
Yes, strange things do happen in Florida. The majority of those things are done by people that came from somewhere else...
That's funny Mr. X....but no one is actually FROM Florida. :D

The state of Florida allowed my grandmother to drive until she was 91 and had dementia so bad that it took her backing into a FSP squad car and cussing HIM out for not getting out of HER way.

She also drove THRU the car port and screened in porch a few years proir to her final encounter with 'the man'.

It's always a challenge in my neighborhood, Sarasota, particularly in season. Add a few thousand confused tourists....and yes, Florida is the ultimate stateside day to day driving challange.

miamisilvermm
06-25-2004, 12:39 PM
The rules in South Florida are much different than up north.

Never use your turn signal unless you want to be hemmed in your lane.

Always turn right from the far left lane, and left from the far right lane.

Replace broken tail lights with red tape.

At the first drops of rain, turn on your emergency signal, move to the left lane and slow down to 10 MPH.

Never tie down loose items in your truck.

Never let on that you can speak English.

crimzon
06-25-2004, 12:44 PM
The rules in South Florida are much different than up north.

Never use your turn signal unless you want to be hemmed in your lane.

Always turn right from the far left lane, and left from the far right lane.

Replace broken tail lights with red tape.

At the first drops of rain, turn on your emergency signal, move to the left lane and slow down to 10 MPH.

Never tie down loose items in your truck.

Never let on that you can speak English.
ROFL, see almost every one of those items on a daily basis.

dok
06-25-2004, 01:36 PM
Prior to my mother's death her cataracts had made her legally blind. She did however receive her Florida drivers license renewal in the mail. She was smart enough not to drive, but I wonder about others.

My father still lives in Palm Harbor (north of Clearwater) just off highway 19. Talk about a scary road!!!

Smokie
06-25-2004, 01:45 PM
The State of Florida does not discriminate against older Americans....Maybe that is one reason why we have so many of them.....:D

Donny Carlson
06-25-2004, 04:09 PM
It's always nice to get a pic of a nice Town Car plowing into a local motel.
Not exactly four stars for that motel eh. Looks like the kind of place that rents out by the hour;)

I bet some "afternoon delight" had an unpleasant interruption.

Patrick
06-25-2004, 04:43 PM
I thought that was Moms Car!!! Other than Florida Tag VS TN looks the same. I will save the bad jokes! Ummmm... For a later date!!!!

P.S this is the pic of the town car, So be nice!!!!!

carfixer
06-25-2004, 04:50 PM
Had a Grand Marquis towed in for the 4th time in 6 months because the elderly person that owns it keeps loosing both sets of her keys (lost 8 sets in 6 months). It had under 1000 miles and the smell inside would knock you over and had unknown stains all over all the seats. While she was waiting for me to program her keys, in the customer lounge, she soiled herself and chair she was sitting in. When we were done, she was helped into her car and drove away. :eek:

She was probably mailed a new licence for the last 10 years and never has to take any kind of test. Scary.

marauder307
06-25-2004, 05:49 PM
You get used to this kind of thing after 4-5 years living here. First you have to accept that political concerns keep the licencing requirements in the 19th century (horse and buggy) and then you learn how to spot the 'lost and confused' as they amble to the shuffleboard tournaments all over town, then you learn how to drive defensively through the obstacle course that has slow vehicles that randomly turn into mobile aggressive pylons to dodge around.

Anybody that can drive in Bradenton for ten years and not hit or get hit by one of these octogenarian dopplegangers should be able to qualify for the Daytona 500. :lol:

I was in Daytona for 3 years...it's worse over there. Just try to get from Int'l Speedway Blvd up Williamson AFTER the 500, and you'll see what I mean.

Florida's drivers are pretty rough, to be sure...but St. Looney's drivers are more aggressive. AND they like to drive jacked-up clapped-out old trucks and try to run you over with them.

The ricer content up here is more aggressive too, but there's less of 'em. Ricers tend to dissolve in the winter salt. Florida's number one problem is the old folks. God bless 'em, but they can't seem to understand when it's time to quit, and MANY was the time, driving from Daytona to St. Pete on I-4 through Orlando for my monthly "meetings" with the Coast Guard when I had to resort to MAD MAX driving tactics to get through. Or I'd run into some frustrated central FL redneck with more truck than common sense and running that "six-pack heavy fuel" who thought it'd be cool to jump on the red Mustang. At least one ended up in the median. I don't take kindly to being jumped...

Miami's even worse. I learned to truly despise 826 (Dolphin Expressway) when trying to get from the CG base on MacArthur Causeway crosstown to Sweetwater, where the Guard had us set up in apartments. Figured out that the best time to do that run was anytime before 2 in the afternoon during the workweek, otherwise you weren't getting home anytime soon... The last 6 months of my tour, the Guard moved me up to Pembroke Pines, and the commute, while longer, improved somewhat. I-95's more spread out, gives you room to "stick and move"...

Dan
06-25-2004, 05:56 PM
I wonder if any state has good drivers. :) (Except MM drivers, of course)

Cobra25
06-25-2004, 06:00 PM
Don,
How about a new push bar for the CV Sport of yours?! I had one of those Push Bars on My Crown Vic Police package cruser in New York. They come in real handy at times.

TripleTransAm
06-25-2004, 07:13 PM
OK, OK, sorry TTA. I just have never liked Pontiacs. Every time I go look at them I get bad salespeople and I'm never happy with the seating, visibility, and other things.

:lol:

No worries. Different strokes for different folks (and different bores for different whor... ooops, almost went too far with that one)

I'm no big fan of Pontiac lately either. With the exception of my beloved old 1985 Parisienne, I managed to hang on to pretty much the only Pontiac models that (in my opinion, of course) had any sort of individuality among the Pontiac crop. My son is getting pretty good at car spotting, and when he sees a recent Grand Prix, he always yells out "Grand Am!". I tell him it's a Grand Prix, not a Grand Am, and he begins to argue with me! I mean... how am I supposed to reason with a 2 1/2 year old? "Son, that car has a MUCH longer wheelbase than the Grand Am, and there are subtleties in the bumper that are unique to the Grand Prix!"... umm, yeah....

So I think they took this 'divisional identity' thing too far...

Still, they could have made it look like an Aztek!
:eek:

cruzer
06-25-2004, 08:26 PM
I have always said I would never be old enough to move to Florida---Old people scare me. I truly believe that you are as old as you think---but, as the brain gets tired :sleepy: , sometimes you don't realize that your skills are failing. To many of these people, the right to drive allows them to live independently from their kids :lol: --and that is a great reason to keep on trucking. I strongly support a bi-annual simple driving skills test for elderly drivers--if an officer told them they were unsafe after a test--they would be more inclined to believe them rather than their kids :nono: ---when I become a road hazard--I will make alternate arrangements..
Now , anyone want to challenge me on a road race , oval or obstacle course---set it up and I'm there. :rock:

MARAUDER S/C #5
06-25-2004, 08:42 PM
Almost back to the office, still laughing about the town car. A GTP pulls out of the courthouse, cutting me off, upon looking at the rear end, something isnt right...

Looking, the inside of the tire was shredded. This guy has been driving on his rim/remnants of this tire for quite a few miles...

Be glad you dont have to deal with Florida drivers...
What a dumb as_ !:eek: :down:

jgc61sr2002
06-26-2004, 06:04 AM
I have always said I would never be old enough to move to Florida---Old people scare me. I truly believe that you are as old as you think---but, as the brain gets tired :sleepy: , sometimes you don't realize that your skills are failing. To many of these people, the right to drive allows them to live independently from their kids :lol: --and that is a great reason to keep on trucking. I strongly support a bi-annual simple driving skills test for elderly drivers--if an officer told them they were unsafe after a test--they would be more inclined to believe them rather than their kids :nono: ---when I become a road hazard--I will make alternate arrangements..
Now , anyone want to challenge me on a road race , oval or obstacle course---set it up and I'm there. :rock:

Maury - Way to go. :D :up:

Smokie
06-26-2004, 07:03 AM
I have been a licensed driver in Florida since 1969, I drive for a living and also go into peoples homes for a living. I can say that I have driven nearly 1,000,000 miles on Florida roads and most of the times that I have witnessed fatal or nearly fatal accidents they have been the results of speeding or alcohol.

The elderly rarely speed, the elderly rarely drive drunk, the elderly rarely commit acts of road rage. Yes they do things that can drive you batty especially if you are in a hurry. And occasionally they do cause an accident because they lack the good health and reflexes that us younger folks today are blessed with.

I go into their homes and see them struggle to walk and draw air and yet they continue to fight with courage and dignity and many times totally alone and without any help from anyone else. They are tougher and have more courage than many tough guys I know.

I know that it is easy to make fun of them, I don't because I know too many of them, there is no mass transit system in Florida, it is a huge state mostly rural, you don't drive you die. In conclussion, most fatalities on Florida roads are caused by young, healthy people; the so called good drivers.

RF Overlord
06-26-2004, 07:38 AM
The majority of those things are done by people that came from somewhere else; then they are quick to tell you how much better everything is in their home state....which of course they were forced to leave....so they could be here now and tell me how bad Florida is.

LOL, Smokie...

Here on Cape Cod, it's the exact opposite...in my former position as a service tech for the local cable company, I got told DAILY how badly everything up here sucked and how much better everything was in Florida...to this day, I still freak when I see all those tricked-out Grand Marquis' with Florida plates...you know the ones: padded landau roof, gold-plated imitation wire-wheel hubcaps on whitewall tires, bug-shield above the grille, curb feelers on both sides... :eek:

Smokie
06-26-2004, 09:13 AM
LOL, Smokie...

Here on Cape Cod, it's the exact opposite...in my former position as a service tech for the local cable company, I got told DAILY how badly everything up here sucked and how much better everything was in Florida...to this day, I still freak when I see all those tricked-out Grand Marquis' with Florida plates...you know the ones: padded landau roof, gold-plated imitation wire-wheel hubcaps on whitewall tires, bug-shield above the grille, curb feelers on both sides... :eek:
I hear you RF, I guess the grass is always greener somewhere else :lol: and yes we do have some seriously tricked out Gran Marquies down here. :baaa: but remember.... just because it has a Florida plate, don't mean they are Floridians.:D

the_pack_rat
06-26-2004, 11:33 AM
Haha, On my way to lunch, See a firetruck sitting next to a hotel... Upon looking closer, My friend (Cobratone) asks if that car drove into the hotel... Well, I look over, and see the back of a Town Car sticking out of the hotel...

Oh well.

Least it was one of those butt-fugly Town Cars & not a REAL one.

:lol:

Eric

the_pack_rat
06-26-2004, 11:46 AM
LOL, Smokie...

Here on Cape Cod, it's the exact opposite...in my former position as a service tech for the local cable company, I got told DAILY how badly everything up here sucked and how much better everything was in Florida...to this day, I still freak when I see all those tricked-out Grand Marquis' with Florida plates...you know the ones: padded landau roof, gold-plated imitation wire-wheel hubcaps on whitewall tires, bug-shield above the grille, curb feelers on both sides... :eek:

The sad part about this is this sort of gaudy torture isn't limited to just Grand Marquis - Town Cars & Caddies.

Anything & I mean ANYTHING here is fair game for this sort of add-on crap. Camrys - Escorts - Hyundais - you name it.

What baffles me is what is the attraction to this crap ?.

The same people that will happily pay the $5-6 K this junk costs ... would rather be taken away in handcuffs ... if they were out to eat - ordered a plain hamburger - it came out with cheese on it - & they were going to be charged another .015 cents for the slice of cheese.

:rolleyes:

lol

As they say different strokes for different folks I guess.

Eric

jgc61sr2002
06-26-2004, 02:21 PM
I have been a licensed driver in Florida since 1969, I drive for a living and also go into peoples homes for a living. I can say that I have driven nearly 1,000,000 miles on Florida roads and most of the times that I have witnessed fatal or nearly fatal accidents they have been the results of speeding or alcohol.

The elderly rarely speed, the elderly rarely drive drunk, the elderly rarely commit acts of road rage. Yes they do things that can drive you batty especially if you are in a hurry. And occasionally they do cause an accident because they lack the good health and reflexes that us younger folks today are blessed with.

I go into their homes and see them struggle to walk and draw air and yet they continue to fight with courage and dignity and many times totally alone and without any help from anyone else. They are tougher and have more courage than many tough guys I know.

I know that it is easy to make fun of them, I don't because I know too many of them, there is no mass transit system in Florida, it is a huge state mostly rural, you don't drive you die. In conclussion, most fatalities on Florida roads are caused by young, healthy people; the so called good drivers.


Javier - Very well said. :up:

crimzon
06-27-2004, 10:16 AM
Not exactly four stars for that motel eh. Looks like the kind of place that rents out by the hour;)

I bet some "afternoon delight" had an unpleasant interruption.
lol, that hotel is a cesspit of illegal activity. Used to respond to calls there often. Would have loved to see the occupants reaction when the town car came barreling through the wall.

crimzon
06-27-2004, 10:28 AM
I have been a licensed driver in Florida since 1969, I drive for a living and also go into peoples homes for a living. I can say that I have driven nearly 1,000,000 miles on Florida roads and most of the times that I have witnessed fatal or nearly fatal accidents they have been the results of speeding or alcohol.

The elderly rarely speed, the elderly rarely drive drunk, the elderly rarely commit acts of road rage. Yes they do things that can drive you batty especially if you are in a hurry. And occasionally they do cause an accident because they lack the good health and reflexes that us younger folks today are blessed with.

I go into their homes and see them struggle to walk and draw air and yet they continue to fight with courage and dignity and many times totally alone and without any help from anyone else. They are tougher and have more courage than many tough guys I know.

I know that it is easy to make fun of them, I don't because I know too many of them, there is no mass transit system in Florida, it is a huge state mostly rural, you don't drive you die. In conclussion, most fatalities on Florida roads are caused by young, healthy people; the so called good drivers.
I agree, It is easy to make fun of them. I have the utmost respect for the elderly. It is a very few who make up these drivers. But I do agree that there needs to be a yearly/bi-yearly test for these drivers.

We had to take my grandmother's car away after she was driving down the middle turn lane, and rear-ended an off duty sheriff deputy. We hoped the state would take her license after that incident, but they didnt say a word. She had been driving in the turn lane for the last 3 miles according to witnesses.

But the other side of the family drives great.

merc406
06-28-2004, 07:29 AM
I have been a licensed driver in Florida since 1969, I drive for a living and also go into peoples homes for a living. I can say that I have driven nearly 1,000,000 miles on Florida roads and most of the times that I have witnessed fatal or nearly fatal accidents they have been the results of speeding or alcohol.

The elderly rarely speed, the elderly rarely drive drunk, the elderly rarely commit acts of road rage. Yes they do things that can drive you batty especially if you are in a hurry. And occasionally they do cause an accident because they lack the good health and reflexes that us younger folks today are blessed with.

I go into their homes and see them struggle to walk and draw air and yet they continue to fight with courage and dignity and many times totally alone and without any help from anyone else. They are tougher and have more courage than many tough guys I know.

I know that it is easy to make fun of them, I don't because I know too many of them, there is no mass transit system in Florida, it is a huge state mostly rural, you don't drive you die. In conclussion, most fatalities on Florida roads are caused by young, healthy people; the so called good drivers.





Drivers need to slow down and be aware of the people behind the wheel of another auto, (young and older people), life is to short to rush it and old people have figured that out already. We did have to take Gramps off the road tho, after he got lost and started driving on peoples lawns.
That being said, up here in Mich you can call for a free ride almost anytime for anywhere depending on the locallity you live in, (handicap and senior citizens transit bus service), I would think Florida would have something like this available in most cities.

Smokie
06-28-2004, 09:44 AM
That being said, up here in Mich you can call for a free ride almost anytime for anywhere depending on the locallity you live in, (handicap and senior citizens transit bus service), I would think Florida would have something like this available in most cities.
I agree with all those folks that said driving skills should be tested to have proof that you can drive, however some sort of law that says the test is only for people of a certain age presents legal problems, so you must test everyone in the same manner, or you will face a legal challenge.

In regards to services available in Florida, I don't know, my wife and I take care of the needs of those in our family that can't take care of themselves, not the government. Is possible the services you describe exist here in some cities, I am sure they are not available to all the residents in our state.

prchrman
06-28-2004, 11:26 AM
Have to chime in one this one...my mom and dad got a winter place in Florida and they are, well, elderly...now on the Florida driver thing I can only state what I know from around where I live...in the summer you will see lots and lots of Florida tags...we call them halfbacks...they once lived in NY, NJ, Michigan or other northern states then they retire to warmer climates...upon living there for a year they find out it is hotter than a furnace so they come to the beautiful mountains of western NC for summer where we have the crookedest roads in the good old US of A...they move to Florida and move half way back-therefor we call them halfbacks...now I challenge any of you in Florida to come up and drive behind some of these finger pointing, slow eyed, over aged grannies and grandpa's driving on roads that would be a challenge for baja drivers and you will observe some of the craziest driving on record...around here most locals say the people born and raised in Florida are A OK but the halfbacks are a real pain...I myself love everybody...even when made late to work by Floridians or log trucks...

Smokie
06-28-2004, 02:44 PM
...I myself love everybody...even when made late to work by Floridians or log trucks...
That's because you are a good man. :D

SHERIFF
06-28-2004, 07:47 PM
Logging trucks! LOL! Stay as far away from them as you possibly can while driving a new Marauder. They come out of the woods, hit 60 mph on the pavement, and throw clumps of mud with embedded gravel big enough to sink an aircraft carrier! In one county near me, Buckingham County, you can't travel 5 miles in any direction without getting behind one of them.


:mad2:

the_pack_rat
06-30-2004, 10:33 AM
It's gotta be the Florida heat or something ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6340&item=2483323230

As much as I've seen this sort of thing since I've moved down here ... there is still the occasional SHOCKER every now & then.

ANYone & EVERYone that had a part in the making of this Florhideous (Florida+hideous) injustice should be beaten with w/a bag of oranges.

And to think after THOUSANDS of dollars in gaudy add-ons ... this car is STILL wearing the factory issue plastic wheelcovers.

:shake: :puke: :shake:

:lol:

Eric < --- thinks his lunch is coming back up.

2003 MIB
06-30-2004, 11:36 AM
As much as I've seen this sort of thing since I've moved down here ... there is still the occasional SHOCKER every now & then.


I'm really pretty open to whatever people want to do with their cars. I say to myself, "Hey, it's not my car so whatever floats their boat." After viewing this link, I realize I've been wrong...That is one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. I hope we've been duped by Photoshop but I think that's a real car that someone made that way on purpose. I want to understand but sometimes there's just no good answer...I now know how Charlton Heston felt when he saw the blown up Statue of Liberty. There's a special corner in Hell waiting for the person who made this car...right next to the telemarketers and the Bay City Rollers.