Looking for OEM mufflers

[Prospect62]

So New York State, in their infinite liberal wisdom, just passed a law making it illegal to add aftermarket mufflers to a vehicle that are louder than OEM. The Marauder I just bought has some pretty gnarly god-knows-what Flowmaster knock-offs. Since I won't be able to get the car through annual safety/emissions inspection with these on it now, I am looking for anyone who may have removed the OEM mufflers and held onto them (for some reason).

Looks like the OEM part numbers 3W3Z-5230-BA (passenger) and 3W3Z-5230-BB (driver) came with the tailpipe from Ford, but are NLA anyway. I don't need any pipes, just the two OEM mufflers.

Would rather re-install a nice, non-rotted set of OEM mufflers than some off the shelf Walkers or something. Just figured I'd ask before I go hunting facebook.

Thanks!

[RubberCtyRauder]

The marauder Facebook page has alot more traffic than here. Just gotta be more careful of who you deal with..best to check here and there

[Ambitious1]

Great question! I'm curious about this since I am in New York as well. Are there any comparable aftermarket muffler brands that sound similar to the OEM?

[SilverPhoenix]

I have a some questions. How does the NY DMV (or whatever it's called there) know how loud OEM mufflers are on a Marauder, or any other car for that matter? And is the 'line of disqualification' based on sound at idle or WOT? What kind of rules do motorcycles have to follow in regards to 'sound'? Trucks? Heavy equipment? Trains? Airplanes? Anything with a combustible engine?

[Prospect62]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news10.com/news/gov-hochul-signs-new-law-quadruples-fine-for-illegal-exhaust-systems-in-ny/amp/

The section of law applies to any motor vehicle operated on any highway, road or street in the state. This includes anything with an engine. And just like every other liberal half baked idea becoming law in this state meteor, it’s not clearly thought out and most of the questions you just asked were never even considered by the legislature or governor.

[SilverPhoenix]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news10.com/news/gov-hochul-signs-new-law-quadruples-fine-for-illegal-exhaust-systems-in-ny/amp/

The section of law applies to any motor vehicle operated on any highway, road or street in the state. This includes anything with an engine. And just like every other liberal half baked idea becoming law in this state meteor, it’s not clearly thought out and most of the questions you just asked were never even considered by the legislature or governor.

Incredible, yet not surprised...

[justbob]

“Contributing to hearing loss and increased emissions”

These bozos CLEARLY have no clue!

You can probably thank all the ricers and Harley guys for the vast majority.


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[MyBlackBeasts]

As someone who loves a nice exhaust note but does not appreciate the Harley and crotch rocket jack as ses with straight pipes or slash cut pipes roaring past my house 30' away, at 70mph in packs, this govt overreach is predictable - to everyone's loss... The as shats in life ruin it for everyone... :shake:

[johnjamis]

I have two oem mufflers that are in nice condition that I would sell. $100 for the pair. I think shipping would be about 50-75 dollars. If you are interested, I can send a picture.

I am going to list my 2003 Marauder for sale next week, so I no longer need the mufflers.

[Ambitious1]

As someone who loves a nice exhaust note but does not appreciate the Harley and crotch rocket jack as ses with straight pipes or slash cut pipes roaring past my house 30' away, at 70mph in packs, this govt overreach is predictable - to everyone's loss... The as shats in life ruin it for everyone... :shake:

I think you are correct. In the larger cities, we're seeing more and more of the "crotch rockets" and "ricer" type cars driving by at extremely loud noise levels which seem to sound even louder in the more congested areas. Plus, I think many of the people in these areas predominantly work 9-to-5 and so having these types of cars and bikes drive by at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. is getting to be too much. What was only seen in Saturday night parking lots and country roads with kids doing "donuts" and screaming by with straight-piped exhausts are now being driven at all hours every day on the streets. It would make sense to apply the law in the more congested areas and not out in the rural areas. An example would be applying a 30 mph school zone speed limit, but making the highway speed limit at 65 mph.

[Ambitious1]

I have a some questions. How does the NY DMV (or whatever it's called there) know how loud OEM mufflers are on a Marauder, or any other car for that matter? And is the 'line of disqualification' based on sound at idle or WOT? What kind of rules do motorcycles have to follow in regards to 'sound'? Trucks? Heavy equipment? Trains? Airplanes? Anything with a combustible engine?


Many jurisdictions (like some in California) have a 95-decibel test that they apply. One that I know about is that the officer will pull the driver over, have the driver put the vehicle in park or neutral and press the accelerator up to 4,000 RPM (or whatever is halfway to the redline). The officer will then stand a certain distance (usually only about 20 inches) behind the vehicle with a piece of sound equipment called a decibel meter. If the decibel meter registers above a 95-decibel level, the driver will get a citation. Previously, it was a "fix-it" citation which allows 30-days to correct the violation. Motorcycles have their own exhaust noise standards, but "motorcycles manufactured after 1985 cannot exceed 80 decibels".

This video is actually an example (just fast forward to time stamp 1:25):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNvYHWlXx4g

[justbob]

As someone who loves a nice exhaust note but does not appreciate the Harley and crotch rocket jack as ses with straight pipes or slash cut pipes roaring past my house 30' away, at 70mph in packs, this govt overreach is predictable - to everyone's loss... The as shats in life ruin it for everyone... :shake:

Yeah I guess I can’t leave out rockets. Some of these guys are running insane systems! My 900RR I sold last year had a simple TwoBrothers slip on muffler and just purred with a nice mellow deep tone.

There is still plenty of X pipe stupid raspy American cars out there but are few and far between the numbers of daily driver ricers. Hell I can’t even stand mine.. At least it’s only really obnoxious if I want it to be. Some guys just go for that obnoxious at every light. Don’t even get me started on snap crackle pop idiots.


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[BackNBlack]

OP...sorry I can't help...if you only knew how many pairs of MARAUDER OEM mufflers I threw away...

[NickT02LS]

I have my cat back for sale I took out of my Marauder 63,000 miles when I installed the Stainless works exhaust, and I am in NY although I think a ways from you

[kirk]

I don't have any mufflers, but in reference to comments about the volume, and for what it's worth...

the head of engine development on the 2003/4 Marauder told me that the stock exhaust was .5 decibel below the legal limit. He seemed pretty proud of it. I don't know what that limit was.

[Prospect62]

I don't have any mufflers, but in reference to comments about the volume, and for what it's worth...

the head of engine development on the 2003/4 Marauder told me that the stock exhaust was .5 decibel below the legal limit. He seemed pretty proud of it. I don't know what that limit was.

That is very interesting.

Thanks to all for the responses. I’ll send out some PM’s.

[Peace2Peep]

I'm sure cops are dying to do more policing of foolish things...Poor folks! Yes, those who go overboard need to be checked, but c'mon man! Who builds a platform on noise from cars/motorcycles? My diesel truck idling is louder than my marauder at 3500 rpm! Ha! BTW this legislation also bans the production and sale of cut outs...lol! What about ALL the factory produced cutouts from nearly EVERY auto manufacturer? Even my wife's BMW has a loud version via stock. This is such a waste of paper...let's make laws to ban ambiguous legislation! Rant over....

[crouse]

Many jurisdictions (like some in California) have a 95-decibel test that they apply. One that I know about is that the officer will pull the driver over, have the driver put the vehicle in park or neutral and press the accelerator up to 4,000 RPM (or whatever is halfway to the redline). The officer will then stand a certain distance (usually only about 20 inches) behind the vehicle with a piece of sound equipment called a decibel meter. If the decibel meter registers above a 95-decibel level, the driver will get a citation. Previously, it was a "fix-it" citation which allows 30-days to correct the violation. Motorcycles have their own exhaust noise standards, but "motorcycles manufactured after 1985 cannot exceed 80 decibels".

This video is actually an example (just fast forward to time stamp 1:25):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNvYHWlXx4g

When I run auto cross events, they always have a sound meter that records the decibel level of each car at a point on the course where you will be at WOT. It's usually setup about 30 feet from the course. My Marauder with after market Magnaflow mufflers and catalytic converters is typically about 85 decibels. Having the police officer stand about 20" away seems a little close and it would seem that just any car would be over the limit being that close.

[NickT02LS]

When I run auto cross events, they always have a sound meter that records the decibel level of each car at a point on the course where you will be at WOT. It's usually setup about 30 feet from the course. My Marauder with after market Magnaflow mufflers and catalytic converters is typically about 85 decibels. Having the police officer stand about 20" away seems a little close and it would seem that just any car would be over the limit being that close.

I agree, 20" would seem unreasonable to have 85 decibels, stock mufflers might fail that or been very close

[SilverPhoenix]

A person's scream can reach 100+ dBs...

[Peace2Peep]

A person's scream can reach 100+ dBs.... Ummm...is there something you want to tell us? Like...where you put the bodies???



Ha! Ha! I couldn't resist!

[SilverPhoenix]

. Ummm...is there something you want to tell us? Like...where you put the bodies???



Ha! Ha! I couldn't resist!

That's not exactly how I make 'em scream... :coolman:

BWAHAHAHAAHAHA...geez, even I couldn't keep from laughing after I typed that. :shake:

[babbage]

Funny thread, my friend at work was talking about this law today. I'm in NY and my MM is quiet. Got SW longtubes - 3" dual cats going to a muffled X pipe then to (2) long Borla mufflers, stock tips with resonators still installed. Same or quieter at stock at light throttle. 1/2 throttle or more however you can hear it. Sooo I don't have to take anything off or change it. Seems like they are trying to get the "rolling coal" diesel guys perhaps. I can't stand the libtard NY Dems.

I'm trying to sell my MM here - so If you want a quiet MM that still hauls ass..... :)

also I do have (1) 2008 MGM stock muffler.

[NickT02LS]

Funny thread, my friend at work was talking about this law today. I'm in NY and my MM is quiet. Got SW longtubes - 3" dual cats going to a muffled X pipe then to (2) long Borla mufflers, stock tips with resonators still installed. Same or quieter at stock at light throttle. 1/2 throttle or more however you can hear it. Sooo I don't have to take anything off or change it. Seems like they are trying to get the "rolling coal" diesel guys perhaps. I can't stand the libtard NY Dems.

I'm trying to sell my MM here - so If you want a quiet MM that still hauls ass..... :)

also I do have (1) 2008 MGM stock muffler.


Having that middle muffler with built in X helps keep it quiet, I had same setup in my 2002 Lincoln LS, had a nice tone but I like louder, so I left just middle dual in/out muffler with no rear mufflers and was just the way I liked it, loud but not obnoxious. Good luck with the sale

[Prospect62]

Since I bought the car with these flowmasters on it, I'm going to try to get it inspected as-is and see what happens. If they fail me, I'll hit up those of you who have offered OEM mufflers. Thank you to those that have.

For everyone else weighing in on the law itself - stay tuned. Perhaps we could start a new thread in a discussion forum about it. I have noticed quite a few members here from NY like me, so it may become something very relevant.