Speed Channel Muscle Car Shoot Out

[sailsmen]

Watched the Speed Channel last nite Muscle car shoot out. Legendary Motor Cars took the following vehicles as they came from the factory and here's what they did in 1/4 times;
1969 GTO Judge Stage 3 - 14.090
1970 Chevelle LS6 - 13.953
1970 Buick GS Stage 1 -13.960
AMX 390 GoPack - 14.848
1969 429 Boss Mustang - 13.743
1969 Hurst Olds - 13.828.

They also tested a 426 Charger but she had a slipping clutch so her times weren't refelective of what she can do.

They did a slolam, braking, 0-60 and burn out test.

The 429 Boss had the most points.

Great show, try to catch the rerun. :rock:

[Brutus]

I saw that show Wednesday. It was great. Glad to see the Boss won it, espeacialy since its one of my favorite cars. I like this show. I checked their schedule to see when the repeat would be, but It only showed that one night.

[sailsmen]

I have TIVO, csot $250 + $150 for lifetime service.

I have a season pass for 10 car shows up to 5 episodes each kept at anyonetime. It also has a great graduated ff to get thru the commercials.

It's the only way to watch TV, espicially during football season. Watching a game live, put it on pause for up to 1/2 hour, come back and ff thru the commercials and you have caught back up the 1/2 hour. :rock:

[Bluerauder]

I saw that show Wednesday. It was great. Glad to see the Boss won it, espeacialy since its one of my favorite cars. I like this show. I checked their schedule to see when the repeat would be, but It only showed that one night.
Here is a link that lists the Top 50 Muscle Cars. I think it is based on stock configuration ....
Top 50 Muscle Cars (http://mork_04.tripod.com/50.htm)

[jerrym3]

Maybe it's old age (two things happen when you get old. #1, you start to lose your memory and #2.....I forgot what #2 was), but I cannot remember the 68 Cyclone being offered with the 428.

I know that when I bought my 68 Cyclone GT, the 428 was not an option, but it may have been early in the model year.

At that time, I worked for Ford in the NY Parts depot (in Teterboro, NJ). I remember them bringing in an orange 69 CJ428, but I never saw a 68 428.

I also remember them bringing in one of the first 66 Mustang fastbacks and a Ford Pantera.

I also remember them lining up about 25 yellow and 25 orange Cyclone fastbacks for an advertising bit. Mercury sponsored the NY Knicks, and they drove the 50 cars to Manhatten and around Madison Square Garden as a publicity stunt.

[Bluerauder]

Maybe it's old age (two things happen when you get old. #1, you start to lose your memory and #2.....I forgot what #2 was), but I cannot remember the 68 Cyclone being offered with the 428.

jerrym3,

Looks like it was offered with a 302, 390, 427 and 428. See below and note my highlighted area.

"But the 1968-69 Mercury Cyclone GT and CJ quickly became the top Mercury muscle car. That Cyclone was significantly different than the 1966-67 Cyclone.

The newer version had the same 116-inch wheelbase as the earlier model. But it featured much racier two-door coupe styling. The most popular version had a "fastback'' roofline with a huge rear window that stretched back in a straight line from the roof to the trunk. There was a less racy looking "notchback'' version with a regular roofline, but it drew few buyers and vanished after 1968.

Muscle cars had to look the part, often in flamboyant ways. The 1968 Cyclone GT fastback coupe thus had bodyside striping that went from headlights to taillights and kicked up at the rear fenders to make the car look longer and lower. It also had a stripe between front and rear wheel openings.

The base Cyclone engine was a 302-cubic-inch V-8 with 210 horsepower, but you easily could get a 390-cubic-inch V-8 with a four-barrel carburetor and a 10.5:1 compression ratio that generated 325 horsepower. A four-speed manual gearbox or a three-speed Select-Shift Merc-O-Matic automatic transmission were available.

The top engine was a 427-cubic-inch V-8 with a blazing 390 horsepower. It was offered only with the Merc-O-Matic and had a heavy duty cooling system. But then Mercury decided that the 427 was too hot for the street. It thus was replaced with a Cobra Jet 428-cubic-inch V-8 with 335 horsepower, which still allowed the fairly big, heavy car to hit 60 mph in 6.1 seconds even with an automatic transmission--fast by today's standards."

[89VERT]

Great show !

Did you also know that the supplier of the cars for the show was Legendary Motorcar, who are in Milton , Ontario.
The same province that is home to the St. Thomas plant that built all our MM's ?

[hitchhiker]

Watched the Speed Channel last nite Muscle car shoot out. Legendary Motor Cars took the following vehicles as they came from the factory and here's what they did in 1/4 times;
1969 GTO Judge Stage 3 - 14.090
1970 Chevelle LS6 - 13.953
1970 Buick GS Stage 1 -13.960
AMX 390 GoPack - 14.848
1969 429 Boss Mustang - 13.743
1969 Hurst Olds - 13.828.

They also tested a 426 Charger but she had a slipping clutch so her times weren't refelective of what she can do.

They did a slolam, braking, 0-60 and burn out test.

The 429 Boss had the most points.

Great show, try to catch the rerun. :rock:

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[jerrym3]

Yup, that's a 58.

Mine was a 230hp 302 4v fastback. I installed the hood scoop, hood tape, ram air set up, 69 tear drop side view mirrors, and changed the 3-1 rear to 3.50-1. Also put on a set of Keystone Classic rims with those new fangled Goodyear Polyglas tires. (The stock Firestone Wide-Ovals went bald in about 13,000 miles.)

I used a sunlamp to peel off the lower tape stripe between the wheels and painted the headlight rims flat black to match the grille, removed the hood ornament and added hood locking pins.

Last, but not least, plugged up all the smog ports, trashed the smog pump, dumped the Ford carb for a bigger Holley, and put in the shorter Mustang gear shift and a dual point distributer.

Car was peppy, not fast, but it could get almost 30 MPG on the highway, and really stood out in a sea of General Motors intermediates.

[sailsmen]

The Ford 429 was a NACAR developed engine, to meet the homogilation 500 were put in the Mustangs by a tuner. The tuner detuned the 429 to make it streetable. The 429 could easily be retuned to generate over 500hp. :D

[stevengerard]

That Old's didn't do too bad either and that's not even the W-30

[TripleTransAm]

I heard the GTO was a Ram Air III, not a Ram Air IV, but I could be wrong. I have no clue how much better the times would have been for a Ram Air IV unit (is Ram Air III what is being referred to here as a "stage 3"?). Back then, magazine reports were all over the place when it came to quoted performance.

[RCSignals]

Back then, magazine reports were all over the place when it came to quoted performance.

Hasn't changed too much

[QWK SVT]

Great show !

Did you also know that the supplier of the cars for the show was Legendary Motorcar, who are in Milton , Ontario.
The same province that is home to the St. Thomas plant that built all our MM's ?
The guys there are top notch... Always treated me very nice, even if I wasn't really in the market for a car, just killing time.

I've been there a few times, and it's like walking through a car show, with price tags. There often a few racecars there, as well... Last time I was there, there was Roush Trans-Am Mustang, and a NASCAR Monte Carlo.

They have some absolutely beautiful cars... Big price tags, but beautiful, none-the-less...

[BlackHole]

The Ford 429 was a NACAR developed engine, to meet the homogilation 500 were put in the Mustangs by a tuner. The tuner detuned the 429 to make it streetable. The 429 could easily be retuned to generate over 500hp. :D

Thats what Ford called the Blue Cresent or Semi Hemi

They also had a 429 based on the 428/460 block. Same cubic inches but totally differant intake/heads ect ect. But the blocks were the same though. :rock: :rock:

[David Morton]

Thats what Ford called the Blue Cresent or Semi Hemi

They also had a 429 based on the 428/460 block. Same cubic inches but totally differant intake/heads ect ect. But the blocks were the same though. :rock: :rock:Sorry to be disagreeable but the 429 and 460 were the always of the same block casting. And the 428 was always of the original 390 big block casting as well as the 427. The 428 was a 4-1/8" bore and stroke "square" design that had a high-quality nodular cast-iron crankshaft that held together quite well and had gobs of low end torque. The 427 was an earlier racing design that had a fatter bore and shorter stroke, I think it was 4-1/4" bore and 4" stroke on the forged steel crank.

The 429/460 block was a longer block and had a wedge design head that was called semi-hemi because the valves angled toward the middle of the cylinder, opening away from the cylinder walls like the hemi, allowing for better air flow. It was Fords answer to the Chevy Rat motor, which was a better design than Ford's first 390/427/428 big-block which was a taller version adapted from the older 352 truck engine. I think the 429/460 is a much better design than the Rat and have seen strokers of 700 cu. in. on factory stock blocks! It just never caught on with the racers cause the venerable Rat 454 had already been crowned King of the big-blocks and had a multitude of top-fuel cars with parts suppliers ready to supply reliable parts at reasonable prices. Too bad.

[Rob1559]

Here is another list to check out.

www.syclone.freeserve.co.uk/rivals.htm