Other Strong Engine Choices

[JDC 302]

If the Marauder was offered as a car Only and the build sheet had a write in spot for a Engine to be installed what one would you pick ?
There are many strong engines I like but for this application I would go with the Buick 455 Stage 1
The Big Block Buicks had the Torque to knock the earth off its axis.
That would be my pick
............... NEXT ..................... Step right UP!!!!!!

[Silver_04]

I'd like to have the 10L V8 that Ford put in that one off Boss Mustang a few years ago-of course that wasn't a production engine, but that's what I want.

[jgc61sr2002]

The 5.4 ltr. would be my choice. :)

[TripleTransAm]

I like your choice, but fuel economy would take a dump, unfortunately. My 78 with its low-po 180hp 400 drinks fuel as if it was cheap beer. I couldn't see myself being able to sustain such an appetite.

I'd have to choose something fuel injected. Something modern. Obviously, for lineage reasons, I would have loved to see the 5.4 liter engine in there... possibly the 3 valve job. I saw a 3 valve prototype head in spring 2001 as it was undergoing testing at a gasket manufacturer in Illinois, and it was impressive. All the folks at the shop felt it had great potential, and judging by what's been seen now that it's released, I think they were right.

If I didn't have to stick with Ford engines, I'd have to strongly consider the General Motors LS1 as a candidate. However, the engine has no history of application in anything remotely resembling the Marauder... the fabled Impala SS took the older-technology iron LT1 with it to the grave, so it's unknown how an LS1 with its slightly different torque curve would feel in such a heavy automobile. As it stands, LS1 automatics in the F-cars (Firebird and Camaro) were equipped with a *slightly* looser torque converter (nothing compared to MM specs, mind you) as compared with the one equipped behind an LT1, so that says something about the poorer off-idle torque delivery. However, LS1 automatics are also known to be among the fastest F-bodies out there (and most consistent) contrary to previous motors which pulled best numbers with manual trannies. So this powertrain mated to the Marauder's high stall speed converter and 3.55:1 rear gear would be an EXPLOSIVE combination!

But that's all dreaming... really, I'd be 110% happy with the Marauder's powertrain as is, if it wasn't for the engine's sensitivity to low RPM spark retard. (and it's spotty record for valvetrain ticking)

[NAVCHAP]

The new GT motor and transmission, & BTW, three pedals! -kjs-

[rookie1]

1 word: Northstar

[RCSignals]

The new GT motor and transmission, & BTW, three pedals! -kjs-

I like that choice

[chrish]

THe GT motor with it's 6-speed transmition :bump: :trophy1: :snoopy:

[stevengerard]

Gas milage? :down: who cares, give me the Buick 455 or the Olds 455 both came with over 500ft/lbs tq

Or a modern blown 5.4 Ford to keep it in the family

[rayjay]

5.4 ltr Triton with high flow intake/exhaust, tweaked ECM. sweet and gobs of torque

[Krytin]

427 side oiler w/4 weber duals!

[merc406]

427 side oiler w/4 weber duals!


Glad Krytin's on the right track, :rock: go here....http://www.gessford.com/cobraparts/fblocks.htm

[Krytin]

OH YEAH!
Very nice 406, very nice!

[BUCKWHEAT]

Aluminum FE428 w/BG Demon Carb, & a 5-speed od would be fine.
:soap:

If the Marauder was offered as a car Only and the build sheet had a write in spot for a Engine to be installed what one would you pick ?
There are many strong engines I like but for this application I would go with the Buick 455 Stage 1
The Big Block Buicks had the Torque to knock the earth off its axis.
That would be my pick
............... NEXT ..................... Step right UP!!!!!!

[BlackHole]

The GT90 V14 Turbo 900 HP Fuel economy was around 8 city and about 14 Hiway. Not bad but not great either.

[TooManyFords]

A 540 inch stroked 460 Ford Racing big-block, BDS 8-71 blower, 8:1 forged pistions and runs on pump gas. HP: 680, TQ:650 and it is SMALLER than a 4.6 (except for the hole in the hood for the blower!)

Oh wait, that's my secret project! Shhhh!

john

[merc406]

You might try too find one of these, it might fit with alittle hacking, um cutting--http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=76346&messageid=1094117080

[Krytin]

Yeah THAT'S the one!

[BillyGman]

You might try too find one of these, it might fit with alittle hacking, um cutting--http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=76346&messageid=1094117080
Looks serious!!! Those big headers would definately be out if it were to go in a Marauder.

[BillyGman]

Want a N/A 10 second Marauder? How about 632 cubes, and 815 ft/lbs of torque on pump gas? Here's the link....


http://www.theengineshop.com/engine4.shtml

[chrish]

You might try too find one of these, it might fit with alittle hacking, um cutting--http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=76346&messageid=1094117080


those 427 sohc motors are the best looking motors ,in my opinion, to date. This is a 40 year old motor.....

I will admit i've never seen a BOSS 429 motor ......But don't think it looks as great........... Sitting in a vehicle is when the 427 realy looks special................ :trophy: :trophy:

How many of these were made, they were specialty motors for sure....But, for what purpose? :blah: :blah:

[Krytin]

Want a N/A 10 second Marauder? How about 632 cubes, and 815 ft/lbs of torque on pump gas? Here's the link....


http://www.theengineshop.com/engine4.shtml
Uh, um ... that's a Chevy big block. A Monster with few if any competition but might be sacreligious in a FoMoCo! LOL!

[Krytin]

Looks serious!!! Those big headers would definately be out if it were to go in a Marauder.
Those are for the side mount headers/exhaust on the AC Cobra! But it might be interesting to see how that would look on the Marauder - then again it might not!

[BlackHole]

those 427 sohc motors are the best looking motors ,in my opinion, to date. This is a 40 year old motor.....



How many of these were made, they were specialty motors for sure....But, for what purpose? :blah: :blah:
The SOHC 427 was for Nascar but Chrysler cried foul and so it was banned but they did find they'er way into a few Comets and Fairlanes for NHRA but the most famous FoMoCo was the Thunderbolts with the 427 SOHC

[BillyGman]

Uh, um ... that's a Chevy big block. A Monster with few if any competition but might be sacreligious in a FoMoCo! LOL!

:burnout: yeah, I thought there would be atleast one or two diehard Ford guys who would cringe at the mere site of that motor. As for me, I'm not such a loyalist to any manufacture, be it Ford or Chevy. However, I must admit that if I was going to spend 10-16K on a killer Big Block engine, I would lean toward Chevy because I've always liked their Monsterous cylinder heads. They have big runners so they breath pretty well, and the offset "porcupine" type valve angles of the Chevy big block heads also help to create better airflow. I can just imagine how you loyal Ford guys who are reading this are getting your blood pressure raised by my statements. :banana2:

[Krytin]

In that price range you can still get a killer Ford BB w/heads that will flow just as good if not better.
Ford's biggest problem is recognition - they built some really exotic stuff in the 60's & 70's. They had a DOHC 289 ci small block that actually found it's way into some of the GT 40 mk I's - it was a screaming motor that put out well over 400 hp N/A w/4 weber dual down draft carbs!
They also had a DOHC BB 513 ci - I think they were trying to use it in the old Can Am series.
The heads on the 427 FE low, medium & high rise versions were impressive each for a different rpm range and almost all of the blocks in the AC cobras were bored out to 488 ci right from the get go!
Ford just never built enough (or couldn't sell enough) to be as popular as the Chevy competition!
The aftermarket heads and blocks for Fords & Chevys boggle the mind and the posiblities are only limited by the $'s you can spend!

[BillyGman]

I agree that you're only limited by the money you have. HP simply costs $$. I think that because of the popularity, there's simply more aftermarket parts out there for the Chevy engines. And there are many aftermarket parts made today (such as aluminum cylinder heads) that are just waaaaaay better than the Chevy and Ford parts of the 60's were.


A typical example are the Chevy small block and big block cylinder heads offered by brodix, and by Air Flow research. The Air Flow research heads have decks that are .750" thick which is great for blower engines and any serious HP applications. they won't warp or crack as easy as the Chevy and Ford heads of old did. AFR also sells some Ford heads too, but their selection of Ford heads are greatly reduced compared to that of the Chevy selections.

[TripleTransAm]

The Boss429 comment got me thinking... the first time I laid eyes on the MM's DOHC, I thought it looked menacing, with the huge heads. The first thing that popped into my mind was 429 Boss.

[Joe Walsh]

Aluminum FE428 w/BG Demon Carb, & a 5-speed od would be fine.
:soap:

Close...How about an all Aluminum 427 with a stroker crank ( 468 CID) , two holley 600s, and a Richmond gear 4+1 OD!!

[BillyGman]

yeah Joe, I like the idea of those Richmond 4+1 transmissions too. I haven't had any transmission troubles, but if I ever do, then I'd consider going w/one of them.

[BALKISSOON]

Guys how about the DOHC 5.4, Ford dropped in the 2002 Mustang Cobra R.
With 385 HP and 385 Torque.
That would be a great starting point then drop in a supercharger.

[BlackHole]

Guys how about the DOHC 5.4, Ford dropped in the 2002 Mustang Cobra R.
With 385 HP and 385 Torque.
That would be a great starting point then drop in a supercharger.


It was the 2000 Cobra R. But pretty much the same set up is in the Navigator except for the intake/heads and cam.

[BillyGman]

there's been a lot of debate over whether or not the 5.4L DOHC motor would even fit in a Marauder. Even though you're only talking about a 330 cubic inch engine, those cylinder heads are huge and need a lot of hood clearence because of their extra height. Maybe the Cobra hood isn't as flat as the Marauder hood.

[Joe Walsh]

there's been a lot of debate over whether or not the 5.4L DOHC motor would even fit in a Marauder. Even though you're only talking about a 330 cubic inch engine, those cylinder heads are huge and need a lot of hood clearence because of their extra height. Maybe the Cobra hood isn't as flat as the Marauder hood.

I think that the 2000 Cobra 'R' had a big hood bulge...if memory serves.

[BillyGman]

That doesn't surprise me Joe. I think that from a performance standpoint, the extra room that DOHC heads take up under the hood isn't justified. it's fine in the marauder since they only have a small 281 cube engine anyway, and there's enough room for the cylinder heads. But for the most power that would fit under the the stock hood, I'd have to go w/a bigger cubic inch pushrod engine if I had the extra cash to experiment w/a killer engine idea.

[Joe Walsh]

I agree, Its not worth the time and money to try and fit/engineer a 5.4 DOHC under a MM hood. If you had that much $$$$ (and wanted to stay with a modular V8) you can have a 4.6 bored and stroked to 5.3L = 324 CID. You could even make the '324' look bone stock!!! ;) .........until you installed the Trilogy S/C....heh, heh, heh :burn: :D :D :D

[BillyGman]

AAAAAAH, the stealth approach. I kinda like that too.

[pacammer]

A nice all alloy 427 SOHC with hilborn crossram induction controled by Ford electronics. 1000 hp with 1200 ft lbs of tq, naturally aspirated. I would need a pilots license for my DTR MM.

Gary

[BillyGman]

A nice all alloy 427 SOHC with hilborn crossram induction controled by Ford electronics. 1000 hp with 1200 ft lbs of tq, naturally aspirated. I would need a pilots license for my DTR MM.

GaryUhmm, I dunno Gary. Are you sure that you can get 1,000 HP out of a N/A 427 cubic inch engine? if so, I'd like to know how. You are talking about a gasoline engine. Right?

[Bigdogjim]

Uhmm, I dunno Gary. Are you sure that you can get 1,000 HP out of a N/A 427 cubic inch engine? if so, I'd like to know how. You are talking about a gasoline engine. Right?


If you were to(have access) to build one of Ford's NASCAR engine from the late '60s early '70s

The 427 tunnel port wedge pushin about 800 HP with carbs! Not bad for it's day:) Killed the Hemi on the track and got banned :help:

NASCAR was a lot more fun in those days:):):)

[BillyGman]

I wonder why it got banned. Maybe Nitrous oxide was being used on it. I'd guess it was either that, or some other fuel source than gasoline. Maybe alcohol. but either way, I'm a bit skeptical about 1,000 HP from a 427 inch displacement from nothing but gasoline.

[merc406]

I wonder why it got banned. Maybe Nitrous oxide was being used on it. I'd guess it was either that, or some other fuel source than gasoline. Maybe alcohol. but either way, I'm a bit skeptical about 1,000 HP from a 427 inch displacement from nothing but gasoline.



In stock form the SOHC with 2x4's hp was 657. It would not take to much to get 1,000hp from it.

[cyclone03]

I wonder why it got banned. Maybe Nitrous oxide was being used on it. I'd guess it was either that, or some other fuel source than gasoline. Maybe alcohol. but either way, I'm a bit skeptical about 1,000 HP from a 427 inch displacement from nothing but gasoline.

RPM Baby!

The SOHC 427,and tunnel ports spun 9000rpm why back then,short stroke/big bore.
I forget which came first but I think but one became the other.

Both these heads moved some air for sure.Think about this,remove the intake valve then drop a golf ball into the intake port,it will fall all the way through!

If you could get the Camming right I think a moddern SOHC 427 could make 1000hp on gas,but on the street 800hp would live longer.

[Joe Walsh]

RPM Baby!

The SOHC 427,and tunnel ports spun 9000rpm why back then,short stroke/big bore.
I forget which came first but I think but one became the other.

Both these heads moved some air for sure.Think about this,remove the intake valve then drop a golf ball into the intake port,it will fall all the way through!

If you could get the Camming right I think a moddern SOHC 427 could make 1000hp on gas,but on the street 800hp would live longer.

They get 800 hp out of 358 CID Nascar engines @ 9000 rpm.
It's just a matter of how high you want to spin it......
Look how Honda got 240 hp out of that little 4 cylinder, just wind the turd up to 9200 rpm and 'lookey here' we're making 240 HP!!!
Of course that stratospheric rpm level is hard to use on the street...NOT TO MENTION piston speeds and engine longevity!

[BillyGman]

They get 800 hp out of 358 CID Nascar engines @ 9000 rpm.
It's just a matter of how high you want to spin it......
Look how Honda got 240 hp out of that little 4 cylinder, just wind the turd up to 9200 rpm and 'lookey here' we're making 240 HP!!!
Of course that stratospheric rpm level is hard to use on the street...NOT TO MENTION piston speeds and engine longevity!Yes, and w/the type of camshaft profile that you would need for such high RPM's, you wouldn't get any power nor throttle response out of the engine under 4,000 RPM's at all. definately not something for a car that will see any time on the street. And if you try to use a crazy stall speed to compensate for that such as 4,000-4500 RPM, then you'll heat up your transmission so much, that it will have a greatly reduced service life I'm sure.

[Joe Walsh]

I do kinda like the idea of a 427 SOHC, if you could fit that beast under the hood! Years ago I saw a 427 SOHC with an 8-71 blower in of all places...A TRACTOR PULL!!! The crazy 'farmer' came out with this single SOHC in the unlimited class and wasted everybody...and everybody else had MULTIPLE (2,3 & 4) blown big block engines on their tractors!!! Everytime the tractor would start to slow down he would just give it more RPM....The sound of that open headered monster at 8500 rpm was U F B!

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

If it would fit, I'd take this.
632 ci, pushin' about 1200 horses. :rock:

http://www.performanceclinic.net/images/Rat1.jpg

[cyclone03]

They get 800 hp out of 358 CID Nascar engines @ 9000 rpm.
It's just a matter of how high you want to spin it......
Look how Honda got 240 hp out of that little 4 cylinder, just wind the turd up to 9200 rpm and 'lookey here' we're making 240 HP!!!
Of course that stratospheric rpm level is hard to use on the street...NOT TO MENTION piston speeds and engine longevity!


Thats why I said,800hp on the street.

NO lowend power would be a relative term though,after all you still have 427ci to work with,I think even a Cammer tuned for 1000hp would still make nothing below 200lbft of torque in the 2000-3000rpm range.

Set that baby up to make 800hp@7000rpm and it will last 100,000 miles easy,if you can get the timing chain(at 6ft) to hold up.(Hello Ron Miller,still got those gear drives?)

[Joe Walsh]

That's right,... those 6 foot timing chains were a bi_ch to keep running!

[pacammer]

Gentlemen,

I have a cammer in my 65 Cobra. With dual 4,s it dynoed at 1000 hp @ 7500 rpm. No chain problems. The trick is to have each cam 2 degrees out of time with each other with a cold chain at idle. My next mod for this engine a hilborn cross ram and electronic, sequential fuel injection. I tried to attach a few photos but the file size is too big.

Gary

[Krytin]

I wonder why it got banned. Maybe Nitrous oxide was being used on it. I'd guess it was either that, or some other fuel source than gasoline. Maybe alcohol. but either way, I'm a bit skeptical about 1,000 HP from a 427 inch displacement from nothing but gasoline.
Politics! No nitrous - I've seen small block fords put out 700+ hp on N/A multi carb set ups.

Edit:
PS - Very nice pacammer!

[Joe Walsh]

Gentlemen,

I have a cammer in my 65 Cobra. With dual 4,s it dynoed at 1000 hp @ 7500 rpm. No chain problems. The trick is to have each cam 2 degrees out of time with each other with a cold chain at idle. My next mod for this engine a hilborn cross ram and electronic, sequential fuel injection. I tried to attach a few photos but the file size is too big.

Gary

Totally sick ride!!!! I've got to wear 'Depends' when I really lay into my Cobra.... and it's "ONLY" got 550hp!!

[nexstar7]

Cammer Engine, nice but not to crazy

[Bigdogjim]

I wonder why it got banned. Maybe Nitrous oxide was being used on it. I'd guess it was either that, or some other fuel source than gasoline. Maybe alcohol. but either way, I'm a bit skeptical about 1,000 HP from a 427 inch displacement from nothing but gasoline.

Simple one word...speed! NASCAR needed to keep the track speeds to under 200 MPH, insurance companys of the day wiere going to cut off insurance if speeds got too high?

Added to the fact that the Factory teams had very deep pockets and you see why the independent teams could not keep up.

[Dan]

I donno if any has said it yet but I would go with a warp drive.

Screw the blowers and turbos. Give me some matter/anti-matter reaction and Warp 9 and watch me blow your doors off. :)

-Dan

[Bigdogjim]

:nocomm: :offtopic:


He did it yes sir:):):)

[BillyGman]

THe GT motor :bump: :trophy1: :snoopy:YES!!!! That would be my choice too!!!!! I dunno, maybe I'm just all hyped up about there being a 5.4L supercharged engine in the Mustang platform in 2007!!!!!!

[Mike Poore]

The new GT motor and transmission, & BTW, three pedals! -kjs-
I'm with Keith. :D

[Loco1234]

I've seen Gary's 65 Cobra its **** awesome..... It sounds like it has 2000rwhp at 6000rpm but its only about 1000hp.... The ride is "sick".
Concourse show car quality. and it has the richmond 4+1 tranny that was mentioned earlier in the thread.

[SergntMac]

Please add a "old thread alert" next time?

[Blackened300a]

Please add a "old thread alert" next time?

Damn you Archive!, Got me again! 4 threads in and I see its from 2004!!

[junior]

Make mine a 429SCJ with 4 speed toploader.

[Vortex]

When I was a teenager I used to win a few drag races now and then with my Dads 1971 Country Sedan station wagon with a 429 4V and a C6. Think it was around 365 hp and would bury it over 120. Best motor Ive ever driven. Id love to have that motor in my MM.

[Loco1234]

How do you like the 429 SCJ?
Whats the difference between that and the Boss 429? (Blue Crescent/ Semi Hemi)
did you possibly mean 428SCJ?

[magindat]

Blown 501 Caddillac.