K&N Announces Air Intake for Marauder!

[Donny Carlson]

TO: DONALD CARLSON,

Thank you for your interest in K&N products. You have registered to receive notification about products for your vehicle. This email was sent automatically to inform you of available products that might fit this application. Listed below are the current K&N products for a 2003 MERCURY MARAUDER 4.6L.

<TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TH>Year <TH>Model <TH>Engine <TH>Comment <TH>Product Type <TH>Part Number <TH>Description <TR><TD>2003 <TD>MARAUDER <TD>4.6L V8 F/I <TD>All <TD>Air Filter <TD>33-2272 (http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=33-2272) <TD>Replacement Air Filter <TR><TD>2003 <TD>MARAUDER <TD>4.6L V8 F/I <TD>All <TD>Aircharger <TD>63-1111 (http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=63-1111) <TD>NEW! Air Charger <TR><TD>2003 <TD>MARAUDER <TD>4.6L V8 F/I <TD>All <TD>Oil Filter <TD>HP-2010 (http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/pr!%20oduct.aspx?Prod=HP-2010) <TD>Oil Filter</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Please review the full application description including comments to ensure that the product will fit your vehicle. We will notify you again if any additional products become available for your type of vehicle. More information about our complete line of products is available at www.knfilters.com (http://www.knfilters.com/).

We appreciate your feedback, and we use product requests like yours to help us determine what new products to develop in the future. Please contact us if you have any additional questions.

Thank you for choosing K&N!

Link to 63-1111 page:

http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=63-1111

Link to application guide:
http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/applications.aspx?Prod=63-1111

http://www.kandn.com/images/l/57-2563.jpg

Price? $285.29 here -
http://www.4filters.com/merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=K&Product_Code=63-1111

or here -

http://www.martelbrothers.com/customer/knsearch.php?type=part&stype=1&partstring=63-1111&x=9&y=6

[FiveO]

Wow on the price.

Looks like a great product though....very nice.

[duhtroll]

OK, for the stupid among us does anyone have the advantages of this intake estimated in a neat little summary that I, er, someone with lack of technical knowledge could understand?

I heard we had a very good airbox, so I'm confoosed. Anyone got some documented HP gains? Undocumented?

Oh, and post #1000. :woohoo:

-A

[stevengerard]

great another option for us. Though it looks like pieces from my kids lego set. Will theis work for any of the S/Cs

[MarauderMark]

OK, for the stupid among us does anyone have the advantages of this intake estimated in a neat little summary that I, er, someone with lack of technical knowledge could understand?

I heard we had a very good airbox, so I'm confoosed. Anyone got some documented HP gains? Undocumented?

Oh, and post #1000. :woohoo:

-A

I belive someone on here took there car to K&N to have this product tested .was'nt there some info on the out come?

[Donny Carlson]

I belive someone on here took there car to K&N to have this product tested .was'nt there some info on the out come?
Presumably K&N has dyno figures, though they haven't published them.

[BruteForce]

I wish Metco would get their's done :censor: :mad: Three nice looking kits available now and I'm already invested in Metco's (CF intake tube) semi-finished kit.

[HwyCruiser]

Last pic in the install manual attached. Looks pretty good to me!

[Lidio]

I don’t know what kind of RWHP claims are going to start to surround this new K&N kit for the MMs but it does look good. I’ve found that the stock MM air box and filter to be pretty good though.. I’ve played with a couple of aftermarket MAF’s on the MM’s with bigger, more open element filters and found very little to no RWHP gain. Although on Trilogy Supercharged MMs, aftermarket meters that are just plain shaped better then the stock 80mm Marauder MAF and not even any bigger then 80mm... can be worth as much as 15RWHP with the stock 9.5psi that Trilogy supplies.

The new K&N filter kit looks a lot like the popular one they make for the ’03 Supercharged Cobra and other vehicles as well, but most notably on the ’03-04 when it was tested at our facility for a couple of magazine features… it was worth an honest 25-30RWHP!!! I was very skeptical about it at first and its claims until I seen it.
As a result from that impressive test, we sell the K&N filter kit as part of a package for the ’03-04 Cobras, where we change the blower pulley (goes from 8psi to about13psi), mufflers, the above K&N kit plus a custom tune/chip. This all makes a Typical ’03-04 Cobra go from about 360 RWHP (all stock) to about 440-445. And it they opt for a X-pipe with hi-flow cats they go up to about 460-465 RWHP.

Any way in short, it will be interesting to see what its worth on a N/A MM with little to no other MOD’s. When we did the test on the ’03 Cobra we did three stabilized and consistent runs with out the filter kit and while the engine was still warm and strapped to the dyno, the filter kit went on in about ½ an hour and we ran three more runs. It was a very genuine test. A lot of guys will do A,B tests on gimmicky things on different days and conditions from each other and make very false RWHP claims about stuff like this and others out there.

We’ll have to see.

Not trying to keep a good and potential product down, just saying it like it might be.

[klmore]

I wish Metco would get their's done :censor: :mad: Three nice looking kits available now and I'm already invested in Metco's (CF intake tube) semi-finished kit.
That's the truth. I was planning on the Metco box also, but I have made use of the Pauls box instead. I love the quality of the tube, but they are losing business by not getting the box out. Now I have things mounted to the bottom of my air box and I'm not buying another one.

[Donny Carlson]

Wow on the price.

Looks like a great product though....very nice.
If you buy it directly from K&N, they want $399 for it.

http://shop.knfilters.com/KNShop/Product.aspx?pid=63-1111

[Marauderjack]

Wonder if you can just buy the tube???

Marauderjack :confused:

[woaface]

Very attractive looking tube! Nice heat sheild and...just plain cool looking.

However I'm kind of wondering what it'll actually look like UNDER the hood. Those curves are a little...feminine? The Metco tube looks REALLY good as far as that goes. But I guess it really doesn't matter what the tube looks like if you could get as much as 25-30RWHP on a supercharged car:D

[Mike Poore]

OK, for the stupid among us does anyone have the advantages of this intake estimated in a neat little summary that I, er, someone with lack of technical knowledge could understand?
-A
I'm with -A, and Lido's post seems to confirm it. Unless it's part of a Trillogy or SC setup, there seems to be no advantage in adding one of these things to a stock engine. I've always scratched my head in wonderment at how dropping a square "performance" filter in the hole, replacing the one on my F-150 or Mustang was going to give the horsepower gains they claim. Funny how we never see real dyno results to support the claims these guys make. Of course it's going to work better than a plugged up stock unit after 20K or so miles on it. I'd like to see data on new - vs - new.
:hide:

[Smokie]

At the recent Dyno Tune in Marietta, I saw with my own eyes a member run a baseline on his Crown/Vic of 201 hp, change his airbox to the Marauder airbox, right in front of me, make another run and go to 212 hp...I saw this...11 horses cannot be explained away with just the normal variation between runs.

[RF Overlord]

Javier:

That would be about right...the MM airbox/MAF is a popular mod with the guys on CVN...but remember that the while the stock CV setup looks similar to the stock MM setup, it's not the same...so swapping the two WOULD be an improvement to a CV...it just goes to show how good the stock MM induction really is. In fact, IIRC the '04 and '05 CVPIs come with the MM setup from the factory.

No flame toward K&N intended, it just seems that a half-dozen companies have tried and no one seems to be able to provide a verifiable, repeatable, improvement...

[Mike Poore]

At the recent Dyno Tune in Marietta, I saw with my own eyes a member run a baseline on his Crown/Vic of 201 hp, change his airbox to the Marauder airbox, right in front of me, make another run and go to 212 hp...I saw this...11 horses cannot be explained away with just the normal variation between runs.
Guess it's time to clarify. I have trouble believing that opening the filter box and replacing the stock filter with a "performance" unit is gonna do anything but drain your bank account; although you get a very cool sticker to place on the air box.:rolleyes:

[Hawaii 5-0]

I have had 4 FIPK's (2 camaro and 2 mustang) and I must say I thought they made a difference, sounded cool and was worth the money... it seems that all the people that buy them like them and all those that don't say they are worthless (makes sense) all I can say is I know it don't make 50hp, but if its completely worthless as some are saying, K and N has pulled off the most widespread, longest lasting, biggest dollar ripp off in automotive history. They have fooled ten of thousands of people (many in the industry) for decades... just does not make sense to me... again.. it don't make 50hp but its got to do something... :)
p.s. did I mention it sounds cool too:D

[Mike Poore]

:)
p.s. did I mention it sounds cool too:D
We use K&N on our Mustangs and trucks and maybe it's my old hearing, but I can't HEAR any difference between these filters and stock, (in the factory filter box) and honestly can't say I believe the horsepower gains they claim. I'm a sucker for this stuff, and was one of the dopes that bought the propeller doo-dad that fit under the carb of my 352 solid lifter '58 Ford to make it go faster. It didn't.

[ADE 1000]

I have had a cold air kit of some kind on every car I have owned. The K&N piece here looks nice, and I would definetly consider it if it actually did something on the Marauder.

Now quick, someone go buy this and get me some dyno numbers. :)

[Ross]

For those of us who already have a conical K&N filter, I wonder if they would sell just the tube?

[SergntMac]

The thing to keep in mind about mods like this, is not just the vendor's "proven record" across a span of time, but what improvements a specific mod provides OVER what is being replaced.

K&N is a heavy weight in air path products, and as such, they win a few rounds just because they are K&N. As Lidio outlines here, his testing of the K&N Cobra kit (which I also read in MM&FF) confirms very respectful gains in performance. They won this round hands down, however, I also conclude that the OEM air path was really messed up.

This is good performance and "bang for the buck," but it doesn't always shake out that way. You won't see this kind of performance from the K&N kit on a Marauder, none of the other offerings will come near that. Why? Maybe what was replaced wasn't so bad to begin with? Neat bling, though, from all of them.

It's easy to look at the K&N, Metco and Paul's products and conclude that air will flow better from a conical filter that's sucking 360 degrees, rather than just through a 4" hole in the radiator core support, and from behind the headlight pod to boot. But, it's also warmer air. Is this a trade off?

What do y'all consider more important to better performance, cold air or more air? Anyone want to start a poll?

BTW, here's some pics of my '91 G< engine bay. It's got some neat duct work that could be flipped upside down, and mounted below the grille, and scooping more cold air into the process ala "ram air." This has to be good, anyone up for a trip to the bone yard?

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php/photo/5563/password/d746d272dfed711f349d5453ed3b71 f7/sort/1/cat/500/page/1

Just my .02C...

[QWK SVT]

Guess it's time to clarify. I have trouble believing that opening the filter box and replacing the stock filter with a "performance" unit is gonna do anything but drain your bank account; although you get a very cool sticker to place on the air box.:rolleyes:I tested just that (dropping in a K&N panel filter) with my Lightning - granted the engine is supercharged, so that may increase the impact of intake modifications, a little. Tests were done one the same day, same cool down period and process (30-min with the industrial sized fan). All external factors remained constant (intake temp within 0.5 degrees, correction factor the same, etc.). Results were as follows:
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 213pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=284 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 81pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3949" width=108><COL style="WIDTH: 66pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3218" span=2 width=88><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 81pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=108 height=17></TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=88>Stock</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=88>With Filter</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Peak Numbers</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">355HP/426TQ</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">360HP/430TQ</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Averages</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">317HP/397TQ</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">321HP/402TQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Just as impressive was the peak gains - 9HP and 9TQ, both coming at 5300rpm - the power curve originally tailed off, but with the filter it stayed flatter.

Given the price of a filter, for this specific application, it's really not a bad deal, in my mind (and as for sound, the blower whine was more noticeable)...:cool4:

Now will it do the same on an MM? Maybe not. I'll just sit back, and see what unfolds of this new product :bandit:

[Mike Poore]

I tested just that (dropping in a K&N panel filter) with my Lightning - granted the engine is supercharged, so that may increase the impact of intake modifications, a little. Tests were done one the same day, same cool down period and process (30-min with the industrial sized fan). All external factors remained constant (intake temp within 0.5 degrees, correction factor the same, etc.). Results were as follows:
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 213pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=284 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 81pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3949" width=108><COL style="WIDTH: 66pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3218" span=2 width=88><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 81pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=108 height=17></TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=88>Stock</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=88>With Filter</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Peak Numbers</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">355HP/426TQ</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">360HP/430TQ</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Averages</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">317HP/397TQ</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">321HP/402TQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Just as impressive was the peak gains - 9HP and 9TQ, both coming at 5300rpm - the power curve originally tailed off, but with the filter it stayed flatter.
Thanks, Quick. THOSE were the data I wanted to see. Now, go and put 100,000 miles on your ride, without ever having to buy another air filter, and it looks like what we've been doing all these years makes sense. Never mind the fuel savings over that time period. Good for you, thanks again.:high5: