Jerry Barnes
11-13-2004, 03:15 PM
Wow! You don't get on the site for a few weeks and all hell brakes out! This is my second attempt to respond to this thread. I lost the first one! Da%&! If I can make a few points:
1. We need to move off this discussion. It is great to have choices, I think everyone agrees with that statement. But, we keep rehashing the same topics. I would like to recommend to Logan to post all of the articles that people have submitted about supercharging your car. Mike Z. was right when he referred people to the MM&FF issue. They spent a lot of time telling everyone the pros and cons of each approach. Go read the article. Several other people have taken the time to post factual articles about this topic. Post the articles and tell new members to read and make up their own minds.
2. We are an Engineering Company first and foremost! We are not a Speed Shop. We have worked with Ford, GM and other auto companies in supercharging their vehicles. These companies have spend thousands of man hours and hundreds of millions of dollars researching this topic and look at what they do. Ford uses Eaton Superchargers on the Cobra Mustang, Ford F150 Lightning, Thunderbird SC, Harley Truck. Ford uses a Lysholm supercharger made by Eaton on the Ford GT. GM uses Eaton supercharges on their production applications. They all use turbo chargers for small vehicle applications. But, the message should be pretty clear to everyone by now. These companies spend hugh amounts of money on research. What do they use?????? And is this a race car or a daily driver???????
3. I have had the opportunity to work with some of the brightest engineers in the automotive industry. Some of those people are Trilogy engineers. People that eat and sleep cars and performance. They have Masters degrees and Doctorates in engineering. After all of the research is done, they recommend solutions, based on a variety of criteria, the best S/C based on the intended use. That is one of the big reasons we have selected the roots type system for our package. Not that the others are wrong, its just not what we would use for this application. Small displacement engines, large cars, lots of torque needed, reliable, cost effective, etc.
4. I will not apologize for the cost of our kit! It is one of the best quality performance upgrades you can buy! Just ask the Ford Technicians, that have installed them, what they think. I have been selling this kit for 1 year and we have sold over 60 of them. To date, I have not made one penny in profit from this product! My accountant and CPA call this project a "HOBBY" for me! We anticipate breaking even some time next year, I hope! But, this project has given me and my staff more joy and excitement then most of the other things we do. We are CAR PEOPLE and sometimes we think with our emotions and not our heads. If we had approached this project with our thinking caps on, we never would have done it! So, for the person that made the comment in another thread that he was going to turn us in to the Better Business Bureau for charging too much for our kits, my response to him is "Keep your day job of pumping gas" and leave the difficult supercharging decisions to the educated.
5. For those that have ever dealt with me or my staff, you know that we are not high pressure sales people. If you like our product, buy it, and you will get some of the best service in the business, I promise. For those that prefer something else, I look forward to seeing you at the next Marauder Round Up!
6. For Logan and Mary, I would like to ask a favor. Dave Popovich, Rick, Mike Z. and others. Theyare my friends and customers. Please do not ban them from this site. They are very loyal to Trilogy and we are very loyal to them! Sometimes emotions get the best of everyone. I have seen it many times and we all get over it. It's a good web site and you folks do a great job of keeping it well run. I would much prefer to see their comments edited, then ban them from the site.
7. To everyone, if you have emotionally charged opinions, use the private messaging feature and keep it private.
Finally, post the supercharger comparison articles and let's get off this topic once and for all!!!!
Sincerely,
Jerry Barnes
1. We need to move off this discussion. It is great to have choices, I think everyone agrees with that statement. But, we keep rehashing the same topics. I would like to recommend to Logan to post all of the articles that people have submitted about supercharging your car. Mike Z. was right when he referred people to the MM&FF issue. They spent a lot of time telling everyone the pros and cons of each approach. Go read the article. Several other people have taken the time to post factual articles about this topic. Post the articles and tell new members to read and make up their own minds.
2. We are an Engineering Company first and foremost! We are not a Speed Shop. We have worked with Ford, GM and other auto companies in supercharging their vehicles. These companies have spend thousands of man hours and hundreds of millions of dollars researching this topic and look at what they do. Ford uses Eaton Superchargers on the Cobra Mustang, Ford F150 Lightning, Thunderbird SC, Harley Truck. Ford uses a Lysholm supercharger made by Eaton on the Ford GT. GM uses Eaton supercharges on their production applications. They all use turbo chargers for small vehicle applications. But, the message should be pretty clear to everyone by now. These companies spend hugh amounts of money on research. What do they use?????? And is this a race car or a daily driver???????
3. I have had the opportunity to work with some of the brightest engineers in the automotive industry. Some of those people are Trilogy engineers. People that eat and sleep cars and performance. They have Masters degrees and Doctorates in engineering. After all of the research is done, they recommend solutions, based on a variety of criteria, the best S/C based on the intended use. That is one of the big reasons we have selected the roots type system for our package. Not that the others are wrong, its just not what we would use for this application. Small displacement engines, large cars, lots of torque needed, reliable, cost effective, etc.
4. I will not apologize for the cost of our kit! It is one of the best quality performance upgrades you can buy! Just ask the Ford Technicians, that have installed them, what they think. I have been selling this kit for 1 year and we have sold over 60 of them. To date, I have not made one penny in profit from this product! My accountant and CPA call this project a "HOBBY" for me! We anticipate breaking even some time next year, I hope! But, this project has given me and my staff more joy and excitement then most of the other things we do. We are CAR PEOPLE and sometimes we think with our emotions and not our heads. If we had approached this project with our thinking caps on, we never would have done it! So, for the person that made the comment in another thread that he was going to turn us in to the Better Business Bureau for charging too much for our kits, my response to him is "Keep your day job of pumping gas" and leave the difficult supercharging decisions to the educated.
5. For those that have ever dealt with me or my staff, you know that we are not high pressure sales people. If you like our product, buy it, and you will get some of the best service in the business, I promise. For those that prefer something else, I look forward to seeing you at the next Marauder Round Up!
6. For Logan and Mary, I would like to ask a favor. Dave Popovich, Rick, Mike Z. and others. Theyare my friends and customers. Please do not ban them from this site. They are very loyal to Trilogy and we are very loyal to them! Sometimes emotions get the best of everyone. I have seen it many times and we all get over it. It's a good web site and you folks do a great job of keeping it well run. I would much prefer to see their comments edited, then ban them from the site.
7. To everyone, if you have emotionally charged opinions, use the private messaging feature and keep it private.
Finally, post the supercharger comparison articles and let's get off this topic once and for all!!!!
Sincerely,
Jerry Barnes