Courtesy of our Chevy "friends"

[LincMercLover]

Hmm... found this interesting. Not to start a Chevy Ford (Merc) war or anything, but...

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=239264

[Bigdogjim]

No war from where I stand they got thier car we got ours!
Big Dog

[WolfeBros]

It would be pretty boring if all Detroit made was one type of car.
I don't feel I have to justify my choice of purchasing the Marauder to anybody.....besides they wouldn't get it anyway. What choice does the GM camp have for a 4 door family size performance vehicle??......oh yeah.......the 94 - 96 Impala.....someone should tell them they are out of production too. As far as the GTO.......well let's wait and see what gets made. And that will not be a 4 door family cruiser. Its all talk until it rolls off the factory floor. I bought the Marauder because there is currently nothing else made like it. No regrets here.

[jefferson-mo]

It's interesting that they say the GTO will sell like crazy now but we'll see when it hits..........:rolleyes:

Ins't that what they said when the Marauder was on the show circuit?

:banana2:

[Macon Marauder]

I wonder how many of those pinheads talking about how slow the Marauder is have actually driven one...

[TripleTransAm]

Well, I've been a GM guy pretty much all my life (with the exception of Honda products for winter beaters, my '98 Civic EX included). I'll tell you the new GTO excites me about as much as a date with Janet Reno wearing a min-skirt and high heels.

Sure, the initial run of 18000 *might* sell out, but mostly to the collector market and/or the affluent ex-or-present-Classic-GTO owner. What about the year after?

The claim is that the MM is a gussied-up GM... well, the GTO is supposed to be a FRESH automobile and yet it still ended up looking like a portly Grand Prix. *snooze* At least if you're starting fresh, go the whole distance and give it some character. If you're going to harp on the NAME of the car (GTO), at least give it some elements to link the old and new.

One thing that bugs me: has no one caught on to the fact that the GTO is a 2 door mid-sized coupe and the MM is a 4 door full-size sedan?? Why is this comparison even being made????

[MAD-3R]

I'm defending our "honor" over there quys. :)
I won't get into a pissing macth, but will deliver them the facts.

[WolfeBros]

Be careful over there Mad-3R.....don't get any overspray on that nice leather jacket (the one that came with our cars). :lol:

[MAD-3R]

I'm a 4x kind of guy. THat jacket is still in its bag. :) Besides, Didn't you ever here about wrestiling hogs in the mud? You get dirty, and the Hog loves it! :oink oink:

[WolfeBros]

Go get em' Big Guy ! :up:

[Ray Snyder]

Mad - 3R I saw your post over there, right to the point.

[Fourth Horseman]

Yes, good posts over there Mad-3R. And aren't people with 4.10s running low 14s now? Didn't I see 14.07 from someone?

That's a pretty good number for a 4200 pound car, I think.

[MAD-3R]

I wass keeping the discussion "stock." You start talking "with a few Mods" and you open up to a real a$$-whopen'.

[Fourth Horseman]

True dat.

[prchrman]

LML, yeah ok your thread is less blatant than mine was, but you can never ever end the manufacture's war, oval vs bowtie. Sorry about the thread if it was a problem, just could not help myself, because the car is exactly what I have been wanting since I sold my 2 door 69 MM w/429. I read how bad a ride it is on the MM web site and I guess I just do not understand the riff. Turns heads like you would not believe, rides great and handles like a rat with sneakers. Did not buy it to compete with Mustangs, Camaros, etc. I have a 72 Mustang w/460 to do that. Just do the math and 302 HP X 4200 lbs. does not equal 12 sec. quarters. I knew that before I test drove it.

[MAD-3R]

Wilie,
The SS guys who come here don't talk trash, or put us down. THey support us and share their love for the "Heavy Weights" of the performance world. This board would lose something if they left. I hope you will understand soon.

Also, we have guys who ride in both camps, having owned and still own both cars.

And I do run with ponies in my car. Keeps them honest. :D

[LincMercLover]

Willie,

You're wanting to segregate owners, from wanna-be's, from chevy guys. That is not the purpose of this forum. We are here because of a common interest, the MM. What you own or have owned doesn't matter. I merely posted that thread because one of my Chevy friends pointed it out to me and thought you all would like to see what others say about our MM's who are not on this site.

[prchrman]

Sorry again, I just about bought a 1994 Black SS about 5 years ago. $16,000 at the time with 9,000 miles. I would own it now but just did not have the cabbage to close the deal. Kids are gone now so I bought this MM I have now. Just trying to understand all the bad pub on the MM by none owners when it is what I have been looking for, 4 doors, auto, air, attitude, rwd and comfort. I loves everybody and try not to put down other peoples rides. To each his own, Ota guys.

[jefferson-mo]

jealousy maybe?:o

[prchrman]

I did like the car, and that is true. America, power, four door, etc. what's not to like?

[JAL]

Originally posted by MAD-3R
Wilie,
The SS guys who come here don't talk trash, or put us down. THey support us and share their love for the "Heavy Weights" of the performance world. This board would lose something if they left. I hope you will understand soon.

Also, we have guys who ride in both camps, having owned and still own both cars.

And I do run with ponies in my car. Keeps them honest. :D


Thank you. Someone sees through all the BS, I haven't even read the thread yet. Do I care, No? On my SS forum, months ago there was a lot of trash talking on the Marauder. Still is. It's dumb really.

I like the Marauder for many reasons, I like my SS for many reasons, I like '70 GTO Judges for many, I would like a '64 Impala with hydraulics for many reasons. Most of us here are car guys...we can see that.

Are you really bothered by what they say...nah...shouldn't be.

Jeff

[SergntMac]

Thanks for the link LML, I think it's quite amazing how a a group of motorsport "enthusiasts" can openly diss a car they obviously have never driven, and pledge so much support to a car that isn't a car yet. One even spoke of how well the GTO handles...Go figure.

I had other things I wanted to say about the underlying topic, i.e. "segregation," but I'll pass. I think the Impala SS crew knows too well, that they are welcome among us, 'nuff said.

[LincMercLover]

One of the many reasons I love this forum! The Mustang/Camaro guys are a little wilder and crazier for my tastes...

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by WolfeBros
I bought the Marauder because there is currently nothing else made like it.

Gosh darn it all to heck, Wolfe...there you go stealin' my words AGAIN...!

[RF Overlord]

And another thing...

I bought my first Ford ('94 T-bird SC) for the same reason...there was nothing else out there I liked in my price range...

because...

I didn't find out about the Impala SS until AFTER I bought the T-Bird...don't know how I missed it...but don't get me wrong; I LOVED that Ford, but I would have absolutely bought the SS if I'd seen it first...

I, for one, WELCOME our SS brothers on this site...you guys know what big, bad, black American V8 RWD muscle with style is all about...

[BISHOPSS95]

Oh ........ Race Me

Is it not what its all about?

Love you guys and our big bad ass cars.


This coming from an LS1 owner

:D

[RCSignals]

Don't you just love the guys who compare the Marauder with the V6 Altima, Camry, etc? Just because of magazine articles and published 1/4 mile times.
Don't ever think about researching anything beyond what is writen in a magazine LOL

[03 Merc]

BISHOPSS95,

"Oh ........ Race Me" At SSHS3...you see my earlier post to you?:D

"Is it not what its all about?" Man does not live by quarter mile alone.. You ready for the "Tail of the Dragon"?:P

SSee you SSoon...

[SSMOKEM]

LS1.com has a LOT of very young guys who think their cars are God's gift to the human race. My own heavyweight land whale has shown many of them the error of their beliefs......

I'm personally hoping some car nut in the Daytona area will buy a Marauder and mod the crap out of it, so that we can go out and terrorize the streets together :D

[derek77]

Originally posted by WolfeBros
What choice does the GM camp have for a 4 door family size performance vehicle??

The Bonneville SSEI and the Bonneville GXP in MY2004 with a 285hp 4.4l V8. I know, I know it's FWD. But it is still in the same league, fighting over the same buyers.

[derek77]

The MM isn't the only one that isn't selling well.

http://www.auto.com/industry/tbird30_20030130.htm

[jerrym3]

I agree with Derek and the Auto,com article.

Dealer called me Friday. Has a 2003 TBird, list $41,650. Wants $38,955 for it. And that's just the starting point. Red, red/black interior, select shift trans, etc.

Some dealers, according to their inventories on Fordvehicles.com, have 12 2002's plus 3-4 2003's in stock.

Dealer in Ridgewood, NJ has three 2003's sitting right out front. (Had a 1956 TBird in the showroom a few weeks ago.)

2002's are going for about 5K off list with the Ford A plan.

[RCSignals]

Corvette sales dropped a lot more than T-Bird. Corvette dropped 40% even with huge rebates etc. and I don't see any articles form the media writing about how Corvette sales have dropped during its 50th anniversary

A dealer I know out here has only been able to obtain two or three Thunderbirds. He doesn't mark them up, and over the last year could have sold 30 or 35. While some dealers get them to stack up on their lots, Dealers out west are still having them trickle in.

Same as the report on Marauder sales. Sure sales have been off, but the articles make it sound like they have had a full year of sales exposure

Also F-Series sales were up, to 56,569. Chevy sales dropped LIKE A ROCK, down 30% to only 36,088

Most of Chevrolet sales are similarly down, but for some reason, all the media talks about is Marauder and Thunderbird

[prchrman]

If anyone has noticed nearly all sales are off---on everything--bad times--

[derek77]

Originally posted by RCSignals
Corvette sales dropped a lot more than T-Bird. Corvette dropped 40% even with huge rebates etc. and I don't see any articles form the media writing about how Corvette sales have dropped during its 50th anniversary

A dealer I know out here has only been able to obtain two or three Thunderbirds. He doesn't mark them up, and over the last year could have sold 30 or 35. While some dealers get them to stack up on their lots, Dealers out west are still having them trickle in.

Same as the report on Marauder sales. Sure sales have been off, but the articles make it sound like they have had a full year of sales exposure

Also F-Series sales were up, to 56,569. Chevy sales dropped LIKE A ROCK, down 30% to only 36,088

Most of Chevrolet sales are similarly down, but for some reason, all the media talks about is Marauder and Thunderbird


The reason the media is reporting this is because:

1) These cars were suppose to be "got to have" cars that are being produced in limited numbers.

2) Their numbers have been down for several months now.

3) Their an easy target because of all the bad press Ford has had for the last couple years. (Excursion, Explorer, Crown Vic, and now Econoline van)

The GM numbers are only from January, not the last several months. I'm not trying to make excuses for GM, but one reason some of their numbers are down is because they sold a record number of vehicles for last year and the month of December.

[MAD-3R]

I started to see Grand Maraque comercials in the last weeks of January.
January sales of the GM are up 24% over last year.

Hmmm

Advertising in mainstream media works!! And by getting their butts into the showroom, some of those (us) poor browbeaten husbands who are there to look at the new Aveator will see (I hope) this beutiful black machine, sitting there, saying "Let's go for a ride, and scary the crap out of those punks with there fart pipes."

I wouldn't be suprised if Marauders are selling better now.

Happly married! Just ask my wife.

[mdmarauder]

After reading those Marauder discussions, my blood is boiling. A four-door car and a two-door car are not the same. I don't make any assumptions about the GTO other than it's ugly.

[Macon Marauder]

Yes, it's natural to get angry. But in the words of Mr. T: "I pity the poor fools!" There are some obvious idiots out there. Most don't rate a response.

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by mdmarauder
I don't make any assumptions about the GTO other than it's ugly.

I'm with you there, md...the new GTO may in fact BE a very nice vehicle, but, like most things Pontiac in recent years, it is indeed ugly...and small...if it actually makes it to production with the 340 zillion HP they're claiming, it will be very fast...but still ugly...and small...did I mention that it's ugly?

[prchrman]

Maybe they can gussey it up a little with some mods--MM's really have a attitude from the get go--like the SS Impala--I could not believe how they changed the look--from boring to great. Old GTO's were not small and it makes you wonder why the name--follow the leaders--bad attempt no matter what the sales

[MAD-3R]

Hmmm
1988 Chevy Nova
1987 Pontiac LaMans
2000 wImpala
1975 Mustang II
2000 Cougar

'nuff said

[RCSignals]

you are a General Motors guy though aren't you derek77 ?

[derek77]

Originally posted by RCSignals
you are a General Motors guy though aren't you derek77 ?

You could say that, but I really consider myself as a American vehicle man. People are so quick to jump on GM about everything, like someone on this forum said that the GTO had a crappy interior saying "typical GM" and "to plasticy". That interior is not typical GM. That is way above GM and others standards. That's why I come to their rescue so much. Anyways, I like American cars, be it Ford or GM.

[RF Overlord]

Lest any of my comments above be misconstrued, I am also an American car fan, derek, and have an ample supply of "Ricer-B-Gone" in my garage...I like Ford, GM, and, dare I say it out loud, yes, even some Daimler/Chrysler products...as I said, the new GTO may BE a very nice car by contemporary standards, but I still don't like it...but not just because it's GM; I don't like the new Cougar at all, either...

[RCSignals]

After looking closely at the General motors vehicles at the car show last week end, I have to agree with whoever said "typical crappy GM interior" I was particularly disappointed with the interior in the $54,000 Cadillac. Just too tacky and too much unnecessarily cheap and poorly finished plastic.
GM also has some real trouble designing dash boards, and it's spilled over to Saturn as well.