Sticker Price

[Booger]

This may have(or probably has) already been posted. If it has, bear with me.

How many of you paid sticker for your Marauder, and how many were able to negotiate?

I plan to buy mine in the near future and was wondering how much (if at all) the dealers were willing to negotiate. I will not have a trade in, so it will make it more difficult for them to "hide" numbers. I'm keeping my Nissan. :P

Thanks in advance,
Boog

[FordNut]

Most will negotiate, some more than others. When it first hit the showroom floors they wouldn't. I paid 27,625 + tag, tax, title fees. Had to get it in Florida to get the deal though.

[Dave Compson]

Back in September, i paid 32k. That included the cd changer, and tint. They wanted to stick me with the 35k sticker. I know i could have done better, but my credit is not the greatest. Just a couple of months after i bought mine, mercury offered 3,000 cash back, or zero percent financing. (or so i hear). Now would be a good time to buy, i understand they arent selling. Not that it bothers me.

Dave

[Mark McQuaide]

Here in Eastern PA they're going for around 27-28k before negotiations....

[MassMarauder]

Booger - Do a search and you will find there have been MANY posts regarding pricing, rebates, etc. Bottome line; Folks that bought during the first 4 or 5 months paid close to full price for this car. After November it was a different story. With Dealer discounts and factory rebates many folks paid less than 30k. Considering you don't have a trade you should be able to make a great deal.

[jgc61sr2002]

Booger - Bought mine in Jan. Mercury still has a $3,000 rebate which I believe ends on March 6 and you must take the MM from dealers stock. The dealer also took about $3,000 of sticker. Heard of better deals but I bought my MM locally. Good Luck. John :up:

[cgr]

This is my first post after reading for a number of weeks. This board is very informative and just wanted to say hello.

One question, are these prices I have been seeing of 26-28K before or after the rebates? I am asking because I can get A-plan which takes the car to 30500, but if you can do better than that I would be interested in knowing. Thanks.

[martyo]

cgr: You have to ask the dealer. I was offered "A" plan but without the rebates. I took the rebate instead. I found cheaper deals but opted to buy locally anyway. I paid $29,000.00 after rebates and with 4%/60 mos. financing for a 300B (traction control equipped) which was produced before the de-contenting (I think I am lucky to have gotten this vehicle -- no one seems to have a similarly equipped vehicle). Make sure you look at the vehicle and know what you are getting.

Of course, I would have paid a lot more if a came with the coveted "anti snow" feature that many of our west coast brothers got!!

[Mark [N4OGL]]

FWIW: A big sign posted at the Chicago Auto SHow proclaims $3500 cash back or 0% financing for five years on Marauder, Grand Marquis or Sable.

Does the Grand Marquis have an all-leather "De Sade" option?

[Mark McQuaide]

There was a dealer ad in yesterday's Phili paper that had a $4000 ford rebate plus over $2K more on top of that.

[jgc61sr2002]

Mark - That really sounds good. I guess they are trying to sell the MM's they have in stock. Most of the dealers in the Long Island area have several in stock. The local dealer has five in stock the newest produced in Sept. For about the same money you can buy a town car and for $10,000 less a GM. You have to be a special person to buy the MM. Most people just want transportation. John:up:

[Booger]

I apologize for not doing a search, but I'm on "hillbilly dialup" @ 26400bps and it takes forever just to get a page to load.

My next question is: Is there any mention of this being the last year of production for the Marauder?

[Hack Goby]

Just came from Crest L-M there are about 5300 in rebates on the Marauder right now 3000 cash back 1000 lease to buy the others Icant remember right now plus with A-Plan looks pretty good.They also said the Silver is on hold for now.

[MAD-3R]

This is not, as far as we know, the first last and only year for the Marauder. Next year, who knows. Deal, and deal hard. You maybe able to get it for less then $28,000. I paid full price in August

[Bigdogjim]

Booger: Here in the Phila. area I have seen MM for 26500. that is the price after rebates. The way cars are selling now go forth and work them hard. Like my daddy always said "they gota sell, you don't have to buy" Simple but effective.

Big Dog

[SaxGuy]

The price I got offered was 26500 plus taxes & Title. After the auto show started here in Chicago, my salesman called me to let me know that they were doing an extra 500 off. That puts the car at 26000 after rebates. This car is a 300A with CD changer, Trunk Organizer, and remote start. They had 5 Marauders in total, so this deal will more than likely be there for awhile. I should be picking up my car very soon, but I’m just waiting for the finances to be secured. After delivery, the money I saved on the car is going into window tinting, SSinserts decal for the bumper, and some new speakers for the car.:banana2: :banana: :bounce: :bounce: :banana: :banana2:

[Booger]

The sticker at the dealer says 35K:(

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by stanleyk
I was offered "A" plan but without the rebates.

you work for Ford, stanleyk?

[RCSignals]

SaxGuy

I don't know what you are waiting for. There are no deals like that around here

No $6000 ac***ulative rebates either

[RCSignals]

Gotta love that wacky censor here

[jgc61sr2002]

Sax Guy - Get that deal in writing, talk is cheap. A lot of sales people are FOS. I'd have to see it in writing to believe it. They will tell you what you want to hear, better known as a good sales pitch. Sounds too good to be true. Jump on that deal before it's gone. John

[TAF]

jg...whatever...

Please clarify...SOME...CAR sales people are...how you say up north...FOS?

[RCSignals]

Oh Oh Todd are you a Car salesman? :)

[TAF]

No...

not a car salesman...but very proud to be a salesman!!!!

A Professional salesman...

[JohnnyB]

With prices this low it's worth it to get a second MM:D :D :D

[SaxGuy]

I did it get it in writting to boot too!

[jgc61sr2002]

Sax Guy - Go for it. John:up:

[jerrym3]

stanleyk

Your dealer is not being honest with you. Any A plan purchase is also supposed to get the rebate. However, the dealer does not have to sell a car on the A plan. I can get 2002 TBirds on the A plan, but cannot get A plan price on the 2003 Bird. For example, a 2003 TBird listing for $41,650 has an A plan price of $36,876.57. Dealer wants $38,955, claiming $300 over invoice. 2002's go for a little over 35K, A plan price.

I ran the car against Edmunds, and his invoice price appears correct when advertising, gas, and NJ cost surcharge (?) are factored in.

I could not get A plan on the Marauder from my local dealer when first announced. But, another dealer about 20 miles away was quoting just over 30K, A plan price, a few weeks after announcement. Recently, all dealers have dropped the price to a little over 28K due to the rebate, although, based on posts I've read, 28+K may be a little too high.

rcsignals

Anyone who knows a retired Ford employee can get an A plan PIN. I have one from my father-in-law (ex Ford Security) sitting home; however, I believe that each retired employee is only allowed three PINs per year.

I'm an ex Ford employee, but not a retiree.

The retiree has an ID number, so all he/she has to do is call a special number at Ford and request an A plan PIN. I don't know if A plan PINs are transferable. (A plans and D plan pricing are the same; X plan is higher.)

Years ago, only family members were allowed the A plan, but that has changed. I've been using the A plan process for over 20 years.

[gonzo50]

Anyone living in the area of Beaufort, SC. or near there can "Go See OC" at OC Welch Ford, Lincoln/Mercury Dealership. Just saw the ad on TV for his Marauders. How does $27,999. Brand New sound ? :cool: He has them and trying to sell them. Wish they were that price when I purchased mine back in Oct.

[Scott]

My first counter was sticker plus 2k........with the argument being that the ThunderBird was sticker plus 4k.

On my way out..............it was sticker less 2K

and that was in July

[FordNut]

Gonzo50:
Does the Beaufort SC dealer have a silver one for that price?

[Macon Marauder]

Sticker, snicker - A plan, B plan, Z plan - doesn't matter. Good negotiater doesn't pay sticker and don't need no stinkin' plan!

Always pay invoice or less.

[gonzo50]

FordNut; I'm not sure if they have a Silver Marauder or not but you can check out their web site at: www.goseeoc.com Good luck.

[2003Marauder]

I got the first one in Memphis and paid $1,500.00 under sticker--with NO Trade-in. These posts don't mention if there was a trade and the trade-in is the big kicker. You can get whatever selling price you want because they will just discount the trade allowance. Dealer looks at total deal, if you've got a trade-in that’s worth something then they'll lower your selling price, if you buy extended warranty, they might lower selling price, if you buy credit insurance, he might lower selling price, if Manufacturer is having a contest and he's near reaching his goals, he might lower selling price to qualify for additional incentives from the manufacturer. If spread between the finance 'buy' rate and 'sell' rate is good, they might lower the selling price. There a few other factors that will make a dealer lower the "selling" price; however, Sales price is IRRELEVANT to the entire deal unless you are buying only the vehicle with NO trade in and paying with cash.

[Diocles]

My understanding is that financing plays no part in the overall price, in that the dealer gets the money regardless as you are dealing with the factory. Of course the rebate/low rates do compete with eachother, but again that is a facory issue not a dealer one.

[MAD-3R]

I just wish I knew then as much about the whole thing as I do now. :rolleyes:

[2003Marauder]

Financing does play into the picture as do a lot of other factors. That's the deal. I worked in more than 100 dealers putting in computer systems before working at a dealership for many years in the office figuring the deals. A low selling price on the new vehicle is done with the expectation to make up the difference somewhere else. Dealer can't sell you a car for less than his TOTAL cost of the deal or they'd be out of business very, very quick. Everyone one I talk to outside the business always "put the hurt on the dealer." Ha..ha..ha.. Seldom would anyone who made this comment to me let me analyze their deal. Very, very few buyers "put the hurt on the dealer." But many, many people do get a fair deal from the majority of dealers. Especially considering the "dead horses" many trade-in. That's why the dealer franchise model is a success. My hats off the dealership employees as they have to put up with a lot of BS from the Factory, the buyers and the owners.

[Macon Marauder]

Dealers can make money on the financing as well. That's why it too can be negotiable.

2003Marauder is right about "hurting the dealer." It doesn't happen. But they play to this as well. The salesman, sales mgr, etc. can be pretty good actors when they try to make you think you're killing them. You're not.

Any dealer CAN sell at invoice. But not all will. Both the dealers I worked with in November were willing to - but the one I bought from gave the better price on my trade.

That's why in my opinion it's important to:
a) know the invoice price of the car you want
b) negotiate based on that
c) know the value of your trade if you have one
d) negotiate trade-in price (or, better yet: sell it yourself)

[jgc61sr2002]

You should never trade a car in at the dealer, as they give a rock bottom price and when they resell they ask for big bucks. They will also take less of the sticker price. A prime example " I had a 2000 GM (Black) with the Handling package, ABS/Traction control and remote entry. This car had 7,350 miles never saw snow and rain only a few times. It was immaculate and the dealer was doing me a favor and offered me $12,000. I sold it privately for considerably more. I got the full retail price. Basically they want your trade for practicably nothing . As far as the BS working at a dealer (I did that also) it's part of the job. No matter what your occupation there is always BS. John:)

[2003Marauder]

Sometimes O.K. to trade with the dealer. Depends on Trade-in tax law.
In many states the Dealer Trade Groups have helped enact the tax break for auto dealers. Example: $30,000 sale price and trading in a $20,000 used car you only pay tax on the difference of $10,000 or $600. If you sell car yourself and have no trade your tax will be $1,800. If tax rate is 6% then you could take $18,800 for trade and break even with out hassle of selling to someone else. You'd have to get someone to pay you $21,200 for your trade to make up for the tax bite. Good if you can do that. Often the difference between dealer trade-in and retail price you can get by selling yourself is off set by the additional tax you will be paying. Bottom line is to do the math then decide. Sometimes it's better to sell the trade your self and other times it's better to trade with dealer. A lot of people have to trade with a dealer because they are "upside down" and can't come up with the cash difference for the new car that they probably shouldn't be buying anyway.

[tomd]

Did you buy your Marauder Yet? Hope am not to late for this?

From what I have seen you'd have to be crazy to pay full price! I bought mine back in June and paid sticker price, thank goodness the only option they forced down my throat was the CD stacker and that was in the trunk already.

I was just killing time today (2/25/03) and shopping dealers in my area on the Internet for a Marauder (there web pages may not be up to date) one Dealer had 5 300A’s for sale! The Dealer where I bought mine in June they still have the Demo left along with 2 others! I think out of the 2 there, one was there when I bought mine? I also notice on both of them that the front and rear disk had rust on them. How long does a car have to sit to have that happen?

When you do get one you'll love it!

[MAD-3R]

Mine had rust on the disk after less then a week.

[tomd]

Originally posted by MAD-3R
Mine had rust on the disk after less then a week.

Well that answers that question. Thanks Mad

[CRUZTAKER]

$26,500 out the door. 4.7% interest , no tax on the trade in, $10k down.

Money talks, don't pay more, find another dealer. I understand some individuals even beat THIS price.

I went to 3 different dealers.

A good hint:
FIND A DEALER IN A POOR SECTION OF TOWN, MAYBE EVEN THE GHETTO.

A lot of dealerships are having a hard time unloading these high priced MM's even in the upper middle class locations. The ghetto locations are hurting even worse.

The dealer I bought from has only sold 3 of the 12 they took delivery on LAST AUGUST!

[jgc61sr2002]

Originally posted by 2003Marauder
Sometimes O.K. to trade with the dealer. Depends on Trade-in tax law.
In many states the Dealer Trade Groups have helped enact the tax break for auto dealers. Example: $30,000 sale price and trading in a $20,000 used car you only pay tax on the difference of $10,000 or $600. If you sell car yourself and have no trade your tax will be $1,800. If tax rate is 6% then you could take $18,800 for trade and break even with out hassle of selling to someone else. You'd have to get someone to pay you $21,200 for your trade to make up for the tax bite. Good if you can do that. Often the difference between dealer trade-in and retail price you can get by selling yourself is off set by the additional tax you will be paying. Bottom line is to do the math then decide. Sometimes it's better to sell the trade your self and other times it's better to trade with dealer. A lot of people have to trade with a dealer because they are "upside down" and can't come up with the cash difference for the new car that they probably shouldn't be buying anyway. That's true about the tax, but the tax on $12,000 (In N.Y.)is only about $1,000 and I sold my 2000 GM for several thousand dollars more than the dealer offered with the tax difference. John :)