Opinions?

[Mad4Macs]

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/13/C01-115531.htm

Personally, I'd like to see the Marine Corp refuse to support people who have been "unfaithful" to the Corp in the past, specifically, those people who have supported Presidents that were anti-military.
Let's see how long that those people could stand... without the support of the men and women that give up their blood for their freedoms.
Oh, and because the Marines are too honorable a people to do this, I hope someone files suit on behalf of those Marines who have just had their First Amendment Rights trampled into the dirt by these so-called "Pro-Americans".

[MyTMerc]

Wow. I don't know where to start. I'll keep my desire to flame the UAW under control and keep it simple. A Marine never picks and chooses which American he will give his life for, yet the UAW thinks it's OK to pick and choose which Marines they'll support?:mad2:

[Petrograde]

I'll keep my desire to flame the UAW under control and keep it simple.

same here,.. You're with us,.. or against us. :uzi:

[MERCMAN]

SHAME ON THEM!!!!!

[Bluerauder]

Very Interesting. The UAW has the right to determine who and what parks in their lot. And, they don't have to give any reason at all. :D That being said, I think the UAW leadership misses the larger picture.

Young marines, soldiers, sailors, and airmen don't necessarily have alot of disposable income. That applies to many new, non-service folks as well. Add a wife, a kid or two, and a mortgage ... they are gonna spend their money on the transportation that gives them what they think or know is the best value for the money. In this case, it appears that the imports are winning. Unless or until the UAW and the American Big 3 can regain the confidence of consumers, this trend will continue until American iron collapses under its own weight .... or major changes are made in the industry. Just count the number of Hondas, Toyotas, Nissan, ..... etc. in the driveways and on the streets in your neighborhood. There must be a reason that folks are buying and driving the imports ... its not just the marines. :rolleyes: If the UAW continues to keep its head buried in the sand, they will continue to lose market share to competitors who know what their customers want.

P.S. I have never, ever owned an import; but I can certainly understand why they are popular especially among the younger crowd.

Bottomline: I don't see this as a "Patriotic" issue. It is pure economics.

:flamer: Let the flame begin while I get off my soapbox. :soapbox:

[Mad4Macs]

[QUOTE=
Bottomline: I don't see this as a "Patriotic" issue. It is pure economics.

:flamer: Let the flame begin while I get off my soapbox. :soapbox:[/QUOTE]

Read more carefully. They also removed Marines for have pro-Bush stickers on their vehicles.
Even if it's not a "patriotic" issue, it is most certainly a political one. And the 1st Amendment most certainly affords all Americans the freedom of political speech.
The UAW is losing this one on so many fronts, that they ought to be embarrased for themselves.

[MM2004]

. . Websters:

Solidarity. <!--StartFragment --> A union of interests, purposes, or sympathies among members of a group; fellowship of responsibilities and interests.

Who said that a foreign automobile isn't built by the UAW?
Ford bought Jaguar (Foreign).
Ford owns Mazda (Foreign).

The more I think about this, the more pi$$ed I become. The Union isn't what it used to be nor does it protect the hard workers that show up everyday.

The Union now protects the lazy incompetant workers that are constantly complaining the work is too difficult.

Pro Bush? Historically, the UAW has been a Democratic Society and it appears they are using this as an excuse to not allow parking at the so-called "Solidarity" Building?

Where are the Union's Interests, Sympathies and Fellowship now?

:bs:

Shame on you Ford Motor Co. :argh:

God Bless The Armed Forces! ! !

Mike.

[rookie1]

I don't think this is at all unreasonable. The "pro Bush" sticker aspect is a little over the top but I've pasted some excerpts below that were easily missed.

"The UAW has a long history of barring foreign-made cars from its parking lots. The subject is touchier than ever as Detroit's Big Three loses market share, driving down union membership."


"The dispute arises as the UAW, using laid-off workers for labor, is building a $300,000 home for the Veterans of Foreign Wars. The home in Eaton Rapids will operate a residential program for children of veterans who don't have parents, or whose parents can't care for them.
"We do not think it is unreasonable to expect our guests to practice the simple principle of not insulting their host," the UAW statement said."

IMHO Section I'm from Detroit and I think it's ridiculous to buy a foreign car and could never do it. I know there are an awful lot people with arguments about what constitutes foreign anymore but the fact remains that American products are not treated fairly in overseas markets. We allow foreign products in at relatively little duty or penalty yet our vehicles are unfairly taxed and penalized in almost every foreign market.
The bulk of the U.S. economy is now predicated on consumer spending, to spend my money on a foreign vehicle is anethma to me.
Remember, just my opinion.

[duhtroll]

I agreed with you until you made this comment.




The Union now protects the lazy incompetant workers that are constantly complaining the work is too difficult.




Nevermind that Amercians work more and get less vacation time than any other industrialized country in the world. Many work themselves, literally, to an early grave.

The reason the union(s) exist in this country is because our entire employment system is completely out of whack. Profit is solely determined by what rich people are willing to pay for. That's why "we" pay more for entertainment in this country than we do for anything else.

I agree with everything else said on this thread about supporting the armed forces, and freedom of political speech (and I hate GWB). The unions, however, are not the problem.

-A

[klmore]

Wow. I don't know where to start. I'll keep my desire to flame the UAW under control and keep it simple. A Marine never picks and chooses which American he will give his life for, yet the UAW thinks it's OK to pick and choose which Marines they'll support?:mad2: They need to start with their own members first! Go to GM or Ford plant and see what the UAW members drive. BMW's, Hondas, and many other imports.

I use to be very pro-union, hell my step-fathers union pay paid for my education and I'm not about to forget that, but after working in a GM plant for a while that all changed. There is way to much BS in the UAW ranks (I can't speak for other unions).

It is far worse than any corporation I have ever worked for, because it treats the worst worker equal to the best worker. As a manager you are not allowed to do more for your good productive guys and you aren't allowed to fire the crack heads. Everyone is brought down to the lowest level. The good guys don't bring up the bad guys, the bad guys drag everyone down.

I hate the fact that America is losing production jobs, but I understand why.:bs: Even though I feel this way I still buy American cars only. I don't like the system, but it all we have for now.

[hitchhiker]

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/13/C01-115531.htm

Personally, I'd like to see the Marine Corp refuse to support people who have been "unfaithful" to the Corp in the past, specifically, those people who have supported Presidents that were anti-military.
Let's see how long that those people could stand... without the support of the men and women that give up their blood for their freedoms.
Oh, and because the Marines are too honorable a people to do this, I hope someone files suit on behalf of those Marines who have just had their First Amendment Rights trampled into the dirt by these so-called "Pro-Americans".
That's kind of funny since most Mac enthusiasts are left leaning in their politics.

:D

[Shaft333]

WOW! Chalk up another one for why organizations like the UAW need a boot to the head and a major overhaul.

[hitchhiker]

same here,.. You're with us,.. or against us. :uzi:That can apply to a lot of things. How about the stardard of living of fellow Americans? How about Wal-Mart and the trade deficit with China? Outsourcing of jobs to India and China?

We have a fight for the survival of America for average American workers on our hands and if we lose we will be just another 'has been' and a parody of our former greatness.

The largest transfer of wealth from the public to the rich has been underway for the last four years. It is gaining speed and momentum and will be unsustainable unless reversed in 2006 and 2008.

We need to ask politicians if they are for us or against us before making our voting choices next time.

IMHO, A simple 'What are you going to do to protect American jobs and standard of living' will do nicely.

That's as far as I am willing to go here.

Political, or near political, threads seem to get rather nasty very quickly.

Regards,

David

[de minimus]

Unbelievable.

So, theoretically you couldn't park a Marauder in the lot because it's really Canadian, but you could park a American made Honda or BMW there. Not, however, if you were exercising your democratic right of self expression by putting whatever decal you wanted on your bumper. Again unbelievable.
I thought this type of crap only happened in Canada.

[merc406]

It's the UAW's lot, they can do whatever they want to, ya don't like it don't

park their, ----BFD-------

[hitchhiker]

Unbelievable.

So, theoretically you couldn't park a Marauder in the lot because it's really Canadian, but you could park a American made Honda or BMW there. Not, however, if you were exercising your democratic right of self expression by putting whatever decal you wanted on your bumper. Again unbelievable.
I thought this type of crap only happened in Canada.

Stay tuned. It will get much worse before it get's better. Half of America already hates the other half for political reasons. A skillful job of dividing the voters has resulted in the most important issues being covered over in a smoke screen of petty lifestyle and false patriotism.

When enough people are oursourced and screwed they will realise what really matters and that they have been sold out to those who bring the bags of money to Washington. Corruption has turned our political system into a sick joke. The last election was bought and paid for by corporations. This applies to both major political parties.

Wal-Mart, the Credit card industry, drug companies, and big oil are the largest contributors to the current politcal regime. Look at what they just got: Relaxed trade quotas for China and new bankruptcy laws allowing credit card companies to hound people who fall ill or fail financially for no fault of their own, and a new push for Alaska oil drilling, a 286 Billion corporate tax cut, and market protection for over-priced domesticlly sold prescription drugs.

Washington has become a pay as you go system. What's next? Will the politicians soon open up drive up windows to accept bribes?

It's a nasty era to be living in for most people, especially working people.

Most of us ARE working people. Many of us were fooled into voting for the very people who are now sabotaging our future.

We badly need solidarity, but it needs to be applied where it counts, not in petty gestures at a parking lot.

Regards,

David

[klmore]

We badly need solidarity, but it needs to be applied where it counts, not in petty gestures at a parking lot.
Regards,
David
I disagree a parking lot is the start of a larger problem. The union no longer serves the members best interest. It has become another political hack organization like the ACLU, NAACP, and the AARP. All of those organizations have become nothing more than political machines that have forgotten their mission. Regardless of which way they go politically they were not founded to be political groups.

[Mad4Macs]

That's kind of funny since most Mac enthusiasts are left leaning in their politics.





:D :D :D

I'm libertarian... I'm so far Left that I'm Right :coolman:

[torinodan]

You all keep talking about this and I'll keep reading. I hadn't made up my mind how I feel about this yet. So far I think it's all BS! I have nothing else to add to this stupidity for now. Going to find better stuff to read about.

[Festus]

You all keep talking about this and I'll keep reading. I hadn't made up my mind how I feel about this yet. So far I think it's all BS! I have nothing else to add to this stupidity for now. Going to find better stuff to read about.

I'll second that.

[rumble]

It's the UAW's lot, they can do whatever they want to, ya don't like it don't

park their, ----BFD-------
Yep, well said and completely true.
If they (UAW) want to continue to marginalize them selves by promoting
a socialist political agenda then their membership roles will probably continue
to decline. The end result will be that the good folks in the "rank and file"
will be the losers. I have always thought that the unions would be better
off to quit spending money on politicians and start actually working to improve the job picture for it's members. The main protector of the workers on the factory floor should be the union. But then hey, what
the hello do I know, I don't even belong anymore.

[metroplex]

Here's a simple idea: Get rid of the union.

[duhtroll]

Yeah, I saw an ad that tells us the AARP is comprised of nothing more than an "anti-military, pro-gay-marriage agenda." I almost choked while laughing.

Just as every other group that opposes Bush is labeled. Hey, it worked for defeating Kerry.

Just because a group organizes themselves, it doesn't HAVE to be for a political agenda. Pretty soon we'll be able to discount everyone's opinion as useless, because they are just following someone's "agenda."

Sooner or later, you eventually get down to the people that really are thinking for themselves. Then what?

-A


I disagree a parking lot is the start of a larger problem. The union no longer serves the members best interest. It has become another political hack organization like the ACLU, NAACP, and the AARP. All of those organizations have become nothing more than political machines that have forgotten their mission. Regardless of which way they go politically they were not founded to be political groups.

[David Morton]

You all keep talking about this and I'll keep reading. I hadn't made up my mind how I feel about this yet. So far I think it's all BS! I have nothing else to add to this stupidity for now. Going to find better stuff to read about.I'll third it.

This statement struck me though...

"We do not think it is unreasonable to expect our guests to practice the simple principle of not insulting their host," the UAW statement said.

I wonder if maybe there might be an unreported incident that's really behind the UAW standing up for their right to make their own rules for folks that park on their property.

Interesting also to see people calling trade unions "socialist" and then demanding a very socialist thing, namely that somebody has some sort of "free speech rights" on somebody elses property, just because he's a member of the armed forces. Or is that more of a fascist sentiment?

Fascism n, The system of one-party government, developed by the Fascisti in Italy, which exercised a centralized autocratic control over the activities of all individuals, especially through the economic agency of state corporations. (from Brittanica World Language Dictionary)

I guess it is fascism. America is looking more and more fascist every day since we know the media is a state corporation, rubber stamping the government the way it does.

I hope they try to have a demostration on my driveway. They may get a little more combat experience. I support the troops, but when an ********* is making a political demonstration in my yard, Marine or not, he's still an *********, and I have my rights too, gawddammit. You Bush supporters let me know when he's thrown out the constitution altogether so I'll know where not to be when you throw your party. You don't know what the constitution is for anyways, griping about "free speech" when this is purely a property rights issue.

This country is getting to be more and more like the Nazi Germany of 1939, or is it more like 1941? Bush is teaching the world that Americas' experiment in democracy can't hold up to the oldest lesson of power, if you have the army on your side you can do anything.

[hitchhiker]

This thread is getting pretty heavy. At least people are thinking.

:D

[hitchhiker]

Here's a simple idea: Get rid of the union.

Yes Indeed... Quite Simple...

:D

[jgc61sr2002]

My Brother in Law is employed by a Union and they prohibit employees from parking foreign cars in their parking lot. That is their policy. Whether it is right or wrong I don't know.

[Rob1559]

Unions are irrellevant. Only 13% of the work force belongs to a union. Unions are the refuge for the lazy American. They give the impression to the public that we should be thankful for their "hard" work. There is no incentive to work harder and improve your life, just a thought process that "The world owes me and that I shouldn't have to work for a living."
As for the Marines, they are in the middle of a pissing contest that involves there beliefs and union leadership that is under the leadership of crooked self important blow hards of the UAW.

God Bless the USA and my Canadian Built MM with National Guard plates and Bush stickers. I guess I can't use that lot either.

[hitchhiker]

Unions are irrellevant. Only 13% of the work force belongs to a union. Unions are the refuge for the lazy American. They give the impression to the public that we should be thankful for their "hard" work. There is no incentive to work harder and improve your life, just a thought process that "The world owes me and that I shouldn't have to work for a living."
As for the Marines, they are in the middle of a pissing contest that involves there beliefs and union leadership that is under the leadership of crooked self important blow hards of the UAW.

God Bless the USA and my Canadian Built MM with National Guard plates and Bush stickers. I guess I can't use that lot either.
Gee, What an origonal opinion. Fox news...?

Maybe you can find a time machine and go back here:

A sign over the Nazi concentration camps saying that 'Work will set you free'

http://www.exmsft.com/~krishof/europe/Augsburg01.jpg

A Bush sticker makes a great target.

Relax, only kidding.

:D

[merc406]

I'll third it.

This statement struck me though...

"We do not think it is unreasonable to expect our guests to practice the simple principle of not insulting their host," the UAW statement said.

I wonder if maybe there might be an unreported incident that's really behind the UAW standing up for their right to make their own rules for folks that park on their property.

Interesting also to see people calling trade unions "socialist" and then demanding a very socialist thing, namely that somebody has some sort of "free speech rights" on somebody elses property, just because he's a member of the armed forces. Or is that more of a fascist sentiment?

Fascism n, The system of one-party government, developed by the Fascisti in Italy, which exercised a centralized autocratic control over the activities of all individuals, especially through the economic agency of state corporations. (from Brittanica World Language Dictionary)

I guess it is fascism. America is looking more and more fascist every day since we know the media is a state corporation, rubber stamping the government the way it does.

I hope they try to have a demostration on my driveway. They may get a little more combat experience. I support the troops, but when an ********* is making a political demonstration in my yard, Marine or not, he's still an *********, and I have my rights too, gawddammit. You Bush supporters let me know when he's thrown out the constitution altogether so I'll know where not to be when you throw your party. You don't know what the constitution is for anyways, griping about "free speech" when this is purely a property rights issue.

This country is getting to be more and more like the Nazi Germany of 1939, or is it more like 1941? Bush is teaching the world that Americas' experiment in democracy can't hold up to the oldest lesson of power, if you have the army on your side you can do anything.





..............Ditto........... :beer:

[Bradley G]

Bush Lied,:twocents: and now he expects us to forget?:loco:
Bradley G

[rumble]

You know, when I read this thread it's evident that I agree with some of
you and some of you I don't. What's really cool is nobody has (yet anyway)
called some one else a sack full of names.

As the Hitcher said, at least were thinking.

:beer:

[merc406]

You know, when I read this thread it's evident that I agree with some of
you and some of you I don't. What's really cool is nobody has (yet anyway)
called some one else a sack full of names.

As the Hitcher said, at least were thinking.

:beer:




Well......I was thinkin about it, but hell were all in this together, good or bad.

[hitchhiker]

You know, when I read this thread it's evident that I agree with some of
you and some of you I don't. What's really cool is nobody has (yet anyway)
called some one else a sack full of names.

As the Hitcher said, at least were thinking.

:beer:

I view this as a sign of the quality site that Logan and his admins. run.

This site and this group are head and shoulders above other contemporary automotive and panther sites and their regulars!

There isn't even a close second!

:beer:

Regards,

David

[Rob1559]

Bush lied?
So that means Kerry told the truth?
Now that's funny!

[duhtroll]

Whew! This thread is getting wayyy to intellectual now . . .

If you honestly believe that most corporation owners/CEOs pay taxes, well, do I have a deal for you!

-A

[Marauder386]

Well, lets see here...I gave just a little over 20k in donations this past tax season and only got back a little over 1k in my tax return...yet Martha Stewart can lie to Feds, go to "jail" and come out even RICHER than before. Then, I see ENRON and WorldCom high up muckitty-mucks walk away with small fines and not so much as a hand slap ( yes the bigger fish are being fried on these ). I am your standard middle class nub with all the trappings thrust upon me to maintain this country ... so I guess its suppose to be an HONOR to be taxed until my death which, by the way, will be caused by my having to work continuosly to keep the rich ... rich ?
Unions I have never had to deal with or be a member of...hence all I ever see of ANY UNION MEMBER is someone who always seems to be whining about something the union DID NOT do for them...I have felt that the bloated price of automobiles has been a direct reaction of automakers having to pay all that money out in wages...but I am open to facts and figures showing me otherwise.

:cool:

[Bradley G]

Sorry to break the news to you, but in answer to your question; Yes Our Leader Lied and is ruining this country.

Bradley G


Bush lied?
So that means Kerry told the truth?
Now that's funny!

[MERCMAN]

Please refer to the ORIGINAL topic of this thread. This is not a political forum per se. Restrict your comments to the topic of the UAW restricting our soldiers from parking in their lot. we will NOT be digressing into flames on the current administration or his former opponent. I will close this thread if it strays off topic. BTW this thread does provoke thought and most posters have been adult.


Thanks

[merc406]

It's the UAW's lot, they can do whatever they want to, ya don't like it don't

park their, ----BFD-------



OK fair enough, I'll repeat my answer to the problem. :beer:

[rumble]

Sanity returns....................... ....

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/15/A01-117640.htm

:banana:

[duhtroll]

Lemme get this straight.

The UAW banned the parking. Then they admitted they made a mistake and apologized, as well as indicating that banning foreign autos/Bush stickers had nothing to do with lack of support for the military.

Then the Marines throw it back in their face?

I'd say there's less sanity now than before.

I don't think the armed forces/not armed forces is the issue here. I think it's being used for publicity.

Don't get me wrong, I believe like many that we can never repay the debt we owe to our servicemen and women, but this *misunderstanding* (as it appears to be, or they wouldn't have apologized) shouldn't be about anyone being anti-military. They came right out and said that it wasn't.

Of course, no one believes what the UAW folks are saying, and people choose to make up their own motives and conclusions.

I bet the UAW is pro-gay-marriage, too. :rolleyes:

-A

[hitchhiker]

Lemme get this straight.

The UAW banned the parking. Then they admitted they made a mistake and apologized, as well as indicating that banning foreign autos/Bush stickers had nothing to do with lack of support for the military.

Then the Marines throw it back in their face?

I'd say there's less sanity now than before.

I don't think the armed forces/not armed forces is the issue here. I think it's being used for publicity.

Don't get me wrong, I believe like many that we can never repay the debt we owe to our servicemen and women, but this *misunderstanding* (as it appears to be, or they wouldn't have apologized) shouldn't be about anyone being anti-military. They came right out and said that it wasn't.

Of course, no one believes what the UAW folks are saying, and people choose to make up their own motives and conclusions.

I bet the UAW is pro-gay-marriage, too. :rolleyes:

-A

When you have a country as divided as our is now, everybody is looking for an angle to exploit. We regularly see this from both ends of the political spectrum.

Every body has their squelch turned down right now so they don't miss any opportunity to obtain ammunition to use against the other side.

As far as the UAW being pro gay marriage... I laughed a bit at that jab. I bet you wouldn't want to go into their parking lot after work with a sign that said that.

Gay marriage is an oxymoron of I've ever seen one. A marriage is a union of 1 man and 1 woman, capable of biological reproduction, and will remain so no matter how many people try to redefine it. It has nothing to do with gays and nothing to do with how people feel about them. The biological component of mariage simply precludes any other definition. This is not about politics, this is human biology, pure and simple.

Unions have served a purpose in our society and were once the main reason for a great increase in standard of living for working Americans. As for their place today, I am not really pro or con on the subject. I do know that self-interest motivates most people as we have bills to pay and the future is never certain. Banding together into groups with a similar self interest is as old as humanity itself.

The Democratic party leaders are responisble for their loss of influence. In diluting their pro worker base by embracing every fringe element cause they moved outside the mainstream. The perception that the Democratic party supports so called 'gay marriage' was probably responsible for alienating the largest amount of mainstream American votors. Most Americans are working class people. Most Americans are fair minded. If the Democratic party returned to it's roots in the mainstream it could regain the votes needed to re-establish itself.

Taking pot shots when the opportunity arises is very tempting and I am as guilty as the next guy in exploiting them. However, only though some degree of unity will our great country remain strong.

America has clearly benefitted from the contributions of both left and right thinking. A balance of the two schools of thought, with both remaining strong
enough to influence national outcomes, has been our biggest strenth. In fact it was this very balance that founded our country and codified it as our constitution.

Regards,

David

[klmore]

When you have a country as divided as our is now, everybody is looking for an angle to exploit. We regularly see this from both ends of the political spectrum.

Every body has their squelch turned down right now so they don't miss any opportunity to obtain ammunition to use against the other side.

As far as the UAW being pro gay marriage... I laughed a bit at that jab. I bet you wouldn't want to go into their parking lot after work with a sign that said that.

Gay marriage is an oxymoron of I've ever seen one. A marriage is a union of 1 man and 1 woman, capable of biological reproduction, and will remain so no matter how many people try to redefine it. It has nothing to do with gays and nothing to do with how people feel about them. The biological component of mariage simply precludes any other definition. This is not about politics, this is human biology, pure and simple.

Unions have served a purpose in our society and were once the main reason for a great increase in standard of living for working Americans. As for their place today, I am not really pro or con on the subject. I do know that self-interest motivates most people as we have bills to pay and the future is never certain. Banding together into groups with a similar self interest is as old as humanity itself.

The Democratic party leaders are responisble for their loss of influence. In diluting their pro worker base by embracing every fringe element cause they moved outside the mainstream. The perception that the Democratic party supports so called 'gay marriage' was probably responsible for alienating the largest amount of mainstream American votors. Most Americans are working class people. Most Americans are fair minded. If the Democratic party returned to it's roots in the mainstream it could regain the votes needed to re-establish itself.

Taking pot shots when the opportunity arises is very tempting and I am as guilty as the next guy in exploiting them. However, only though some degree of unity will our great country remain strong.

America has clearly benefitted from the contributions of both left and right thinking. A balance of the two schools of thought, with both remaining strong
enough to influence national outcomes, has been our biggest strenth. In fact it was this very balance that founded our country and codified it as our constitution.

Regards,

David
I do believe that this is the first time I have agreed with you on a political topic. I am now so far right that the Repubicans are to liberal for me and I couldn't agree with you more. Many moons ago I was a registered Democrat and all of the left fringe groups isolated the party and have since driven it into the ground.

How this ties into the UAW deal is stated in one of my previous post on the subject, but it is no surprise to me that the Marines don't want anything to with them at this point. Besides the fact that it is simply a knee jerk reaction, who wants to go where they are not wanted. The UAW has changed its mind on the subject due to bad press not because they have changed their view on the subject.

[Bluerauder]

......but it is no surprise to me that the Marines don't want anything to with them at this point. Besides the fact that it is simply a knee jerk reaction, who wants to go where they are not wanted. The UAW has changed its mind on the subject due to bad press not because they have changed their view on the subject.
Agreed ^^^^^ That is how I read it as well. :D After 10 years of letting servicemembers park there under an "exception", someone got a bug up their A$$ and decided to revoke the privilege. That is certainly the UAW's right. However, after taking heat from various different directions ... the UAW HFMIC decided to reconsider the broader implications of his blunder. Regardless of the sincerity of the apology, the US Marines know that the UAW would prefer that they go elsewhere. In the interim, and before the apology, another parking area was found. This :bs: episode has cost the UAW points both outside and within its own organization. With leaders like that -- who needs enemies??? :rolleyes:

[bigslim]

Being in Detroit and being a proud U.A.W. member (Millwright) I was quite pleased at the first results that the Union made. I don't won't to start anything bad here but I do not feel sorry for anyone that does not support his or her country. This being said, I hate to hear these veterans complain that they can't park on our lots. I say "TOO BAD". The Union had a strict policy about who can and cannot park on it's lot. True these people fight for our country but if I remember correctly they volunteered to do that job. There was no draft. I say thank you to them for doing their job. But remember it is their "JOB" that they volunteered for. No one twisted their arms. Just like no one twisted their arms to buy a foreign car. If they want to cry about us supporting them, how them supporting us. "BOO-HOO". Big old babies need to get a life. I am so tried of people dogging the Union. I am sure a lot of people here have in one way or another been affected by the Unions. My great-grandfather, my grandfather and my father and brothers all were U.A.W. members. If was not for the Union I could not afford the life I live or the medical coverage that I get. It really gets may goat to hear a bunch of "yuppies" talk about the Union. This is one way to get on my bad side. I am sure that most of the jobs I do most of you would not want to do. As an example, would most of you want to be fifty feet in the ait and change a wheel on a crane? Would you want to go inside a press and do some mantenance? Would you like to be stuck 80 feet in the air and tie beams together to build structures? I didn't thank so. So before you criticize us from your big leather chairs think about the crappy jobs the Unions do to keep this country working. Do I support our troops? Yes I do. Do I feel sorry for them? "HELL NO". If any of feel put off by my comments all I can say "Oh Well".

[bigslim]

Agreed ^^^^^ That is how I read it as well. :D After 10 years of letting servicemembers park there under an "exception", someone got a bug up their A$$ and decided to revoke the privilege. That is certainly the UAW's right. However, after taking heat from various different directions ... the UAW HFMIC decided to reconsider the broader implications of his blunder. Regardless of the sincerity of the apology, the US Marines know that the UAW would prefer that they go elsewhere. In the interim, and before the apology, another parking area was found. This :bs: episode has cost the UAW points both outside and within its own organization. With leaders like that -- who needs enemies??? :rolleyes:
This is probably do to the shrinking marketshare that we are experiancing. now is the time to inforce these policies. If they want to buy a Honda, let Honda build then a lot to park in. :P

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

Being a military member myself, I think that is complete and total B.S.

Now granted, I'm a FORD man for life, but if someone wants to drive a 4runner, or if a young private wants to drive a riced out Honda, let him. Who are you to tell someone else what to drive?

Reading that article has me pretty pissed off.

[bigslim]

Being a military member myself, I think that is complete and total B.S.

Now granted, I'm a FORD man for life, but if someone wants to drive a 4runner, or if a young private wants to drive a riced out Honda, let him. Who are you to tell someone else what to drive?

Reading that article has me pretty pissed off.
No one said that you can't drive what you want, you just can't park where you want. If someone wants to fight for their country and then not support it that is there business. Maybe Toyota and Honda will build parking for them. Being a member of the U.A.W. since 1983 this is how it is. I wish people would finally see that it "DOES NOT" help our economy by buying these cars. I guess I would not have a problem with these foreign car makers dumping products here if we could peddle our wares over seas as freely as they do. As spitting on the flag is a slap in the face to America, buying foreign cars is a slap in the face to me. :mad:

[rookie1]

I wish people would finally see that it "DOES NOT" help our economy by buying these cars. I guess I would not have a problem with these foreign car makers dumping products here if we could peddle our wares over seas as freely as they do. As spitting on the flag is a slap in the face to America, buying foreign cars is a slap in the face to me. :mad:


I'm with you here biggie. I don't get it either. If the markets were truly free an fair our exports would be off the charts with the current state of the dollar vs Euro and yen.

[Shaft333]

I think the UAW can do a lot to improve people's impressions of American cars. They have the power to do so.
But all the American public sees is articles like this, another strike where all they understand is some cars won't get built that day, another outrageous grievance because an engineer pushed a button for a test on a shop floor and the only thing someone can say in the union's defense is, "that's the way it is?"

Comeon BigSlim, I want to see the American industry succeed as much as you do. American's on the whole are the hardest working people in the world. You're the most outspoken spokesman for your union in this thread. Can you say something more for the integrity of your organization?! Do us proud!!! American's are already proud of our soldiers. Now how can we be proud of our auto workers?

[duhtroll]

Perhaps by understanding that EVERY profession has its faults, including yours.

I'm a member of a union. I think it does far more good than harm. A large organization cannot make everyone happy, so it appeals to the majority of its members.

I understand what UAW folks are going through with this whole import war. "We" are not allowed to sell cars overseas anywhere near as easily as foreign countries can sell here. That hurts our production. I can understand them being a little miffed at administration(s) that allow this to happen.

In my own union, in education, we are told "education for all and public education is free, and you have to have every kid reading at grade level (regardless of disability or lack of parents), but we're only going to allow you the resources we feel like allocating."

Unions are put between the proverbial rock and hard place. Yes, some incompetent workers slip through, BUT:

1) It is a byproduct of demanding decent wages/rights for ALL workers. That doesn't mean unions are the problem.

and

2) Show me a profession that DOESN'T have slackers. :dunno:

Regardless of the reason for the UAW change of mind, they did it. Not at least acknowledging their admission seems childish, IMO.

-A