Radar & Laser jammers

[BillyGman]

I have a question for you guys in the know.......

I've never had a radar detector, nor a jammer of any kind since I've had family on the force for the past 13 years, up until just several weeks ago. I've always averaged being pulled over about one to two times per year. So I must admit that now that I no longer have someone's name to drop in the event of being pulled over, I'm wondering about the possibilities of purchasing a radar detector.

I'm also thinking of a jammer/scambler too. yes, I know there's been threads on these before, but I haven't noticed an answer to one question that I have.....

Please correct me if this is wrong, but my understanding is that radar detectors are legal. And when it comes to JAMMERS, or scamblers, the LASER jammers are legal, and very effective against LASER, but the Radar JAMMERS are very illegal, and you will go directly to jail if you're caught with one. Do I have this correct?

[Rider90]

Depends where you live, you can search state laws.

Here in illinois, detectors are legal but they are illegal in commerical vehicles (I think..) and jammers/scramblers are strictly prohibited.

My suggestion for a detector is the Valentine1.

[BillyGman]

My suggestion for a detector is the Valentine1.Yep, that's what I'm leaning to. Thanks for your input on this.

[torinodan]

http://www.speedzones.com/

[Marauder2005]

Thing is Billy, Law Enforcment can "see through" them pretty easy.

Its common to leave the Laser/Radar off in the police car until the vehicle

that needs to be "detected" is detected. Then the device is turned on rendering

Laser/Radar detector useless. In most cases the detector does not even have

time to react. Just a little info for ya, as for the scrambler... I would not advise

it.

[dwasson]

Radar detectors are legal in every state but VA. I don't know if they are illegal in all of Canada or just Ontario. VA uses a detector detector to bust you. Jammers are obvious to the police in many situations. I would bet that a jammer would get you more attection than you wanted.

[duhtroll]

Not true. There are 7 or 9 states where they (detectors) are iligano. MN is one of them.

Radar jammers are illegal everywhere, as they are governed by the FCC.

Laser jammers are not FCC domain (being a beam of light and therefore not throwing interference to other uses of those frequencies) but check your local ordinance. Many of them say something to the effect of "thou shalt not useth any device that may hinder the officer's reading of your speed" or something similar-eth.

IIRC most of Canada (all?) has big no-nos surrounding these things.

The Escort system is as reliable as any (even Valentine 1 in *independent* testing - i.e. not paid for by Valentine) and has a laser jammer that works with it, that is made to work with it using the same display. And, it's cheaper.

I've come a long way from thinking the Rocky Mountain Radar stuff worked (big mistake - it's crap) and done a bunch of research since then. I have even spoken to a few LEOs about how they target cars, where and when (distance-wise) they do it, and which cars are the most likely to be targeted.

Needless to say I haven't been stopped for speeding in a few years. There are even a few non-radar detector tricks one can do to prevent being caught.

One thing. Having the equipment in your car guarantees a ticket when you are stopped most of the time. The trick is to not get stopped, and the best defense you have against that is your driving skill. The detector just helps you out. Don't rely on it alone.

-A


Radar detectors are legal in every state but VA. I don't know if they are illegal in all of Canada or just Ontario. VA uses a detector detector to bust you. Jammers are obvious to the police in many situations. I would bet that a jammer would get you more attection than you wanted.

[duhtroll]

Oh, and you might not go to jail if you are caught with an illegal device.

You will have a hefty fine . . .


And they will impound your CAR, with a very good chance they can keep it. After all, you were using the car in defiance of the law.


which is of course, far worse than a short stint in jail IMO.



-A

[Sully008]

IIRC most of Canada (all?) has big no-nos surrounding these things.


-A
It's funny, in my province (Manitoba), it's legal to sell radar detectors, but it is illegal to own or use them:confused:. There's a big sign coming up from the US stating "Use of radar detecting devices is illegal in Manitoba". Most of the electronic stores sell 'em. I guess it's caveat emptor, when it comes to buying one.

That being said, I have a Uniden lrd6250sws that I bought close to 5 years ago. It was state of the art at the time. It detects X,K,KA,Laser,L2 and is supposedly VG2 undetectable. I don't use it in the city, but it's saved my butt several times on the highway. Just don't tell anybody here I own one.:hide:

[DEFYANT]

How we do it.

It is quite simple acutally. We see a speeding car, then take the radar off stand-by, and there is your speed- displayed in my "Target" window.

What we must have:

We must OBSERVE you traveling at an approx. speed (say...75 in a 55)
We activate the radar.. it shows "73" in a 55 - close enough.
The radar also makes a tone that is consistant with 73 mph.
You get stopped and get a ticket for 73 mph.

At least thats how I ran radar. Some P/Os leave it on all the time, most do not because that tone I told you about can get annoying.

Radar jammers are a major no-no.

Speeding is illegal -period. I know I know..... but it is. Truth is.. speed is relative to the road conditions. These days w/ cell phones, everyone out there is going to put you in w/ the local police if your acting stupid in traffic. But if the road is empty, chances are you'll be left alone. Read the road conditions and drive accordingly.

[Shaft333]

For a jammer to be effective you're going to need the power equivalent to the radio systems locked insidea jet plane... and you'll need one pointing in every direction.
All legality aside, the gray market ones you can get... won't work effective enough to truly rely on.

Radar scramblers... all that talk of white noise and chirping... hooplah. Marketing wizards that wrote that probably also work for -insert name of expensive oil- or -insert name of expensive wax-. (Just kidding about the wax and oil.. sort of :D)

You can jam all the laser you want. Not easy to put a law IR.

A good detector is an effective tool. And some cops that I have spoken to will encourage there use. For at the very least, cops will frequently patrol areas that are particularly dangerous to speed in. So if you slow down when you pick up their signal... the land is a better place to be.

Granted something that can be mounted stealthily is not a bad idea... in case you do get pulled over. You may better be able to talk your way out. Sometimes a bit of an ego kicks in and you'll get a ticket to spite your hardware. I've had cops admit this to me too. (One time when I was on the side of the road with their gumballs flashing behind me.)

Just to complicate the matter on stealth.. I've learned that most remote detectors don't work as well as window mounted. Window mounted is the major market... it's where the money goes into development. I had a remote mount, and it looked sweet, but was more of a Grocery Store detector than anything else.

Trucks can't use detectors in the US per federal law. States have their own laws.
Although, I still question the legality of banning a radio receiver - maybe we need to know when we're being bombarded with extranneous RF energy.

[BillyGman]

Wow!! The more I learn about this stuff, the more I realize that this is such a comlex game!! Radar, Radar detectors, Laser, Laser detectors, Radar detector detectors, Radar jammers, Laser jammers.......my head is spinning with this stuff!!! It's an electronics war going on out there on the highways. One between the smokie & the motorists, as well as between the electronics manufactures.


Something tells me though that some of the same companies that manufacture the speed detecting equipment for the local PD, also manufactures the equipment made available to us to detect the use of the PD's equipment. So either way, the electronics companies clean up. Kind of the same thing as the company that manufatures the bullet proof vests also manufacturing the bullets that can penetrate them. :rolleyes:

I appreciate eveyone's input about this topic. Thankyou! This has been very educational thus far. The one thing I think that's most surprising to me that I'm learning from you guys is that simply having a detection device and using it, as well as a jammer device, can and sometimes will draw unwanted attention from the PD, which in some cases might actually increase my chances of getting a ticket, or perhaps even increase my chances of getting pulled over in the first place.And that isn't what I want. So apparently the use of all this equipment isn't neccessarily cut and dry. It sounds to me like there are always trade-offs, and that in some areas and situations, detection and jammer devices can work very well, while in other situations, they can be a hinderence.

I rarely drive very fast in moderate traffic, and never in very heavy traffic. The thing that I've been thinking about as of late, is how I sometimes drive in very light traffic, and when there's no traffic at all...... well, I don't even want to get into detail about the latter. I mean, it isn't all the time, but let's put it this way. If I was ever pulled over for the speeds I was traveling at late at night on a weeknight when there's no traffic out on the highway and almost everyone's home asleep in bed but me, I think that my car would be impounded, and I'd go directly to jail. And that's what scares me. Again, it isn't all the time that I engage in that practice, but my concerns have to do with the fact that it only takes once to get caught. And if I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, I'M TOAST!!!! :eek:

Yes, Yes, I know what the most simple solution is.......don't do it. But I think most of you (aside from a few self-righteous hypocrites) can relate to my habits. I don't mean it's neccessarily justifiable because you can relate, but it's human. Thanks again for your responses. I guess I'll have to ponder over whether or not having such equipment would increase my chances, or decrease my chances of getting thrown in jail should I be at the wrong place at the wrong time, or if it wouldn't make any difference either way. Thanks again people. ;)

[fastblackmerc]

For a jammer to be effective you're going to need the power equivalent to the radio systems locked insidea jet plane... and you'll need one pointing in every direction.
All legality aside, the gray market ones you can get... won't work effective enough to truly rely on.

Radar scramblers... all that talk of white noise and chirping... hooplah. Marketing wizards that wrote that probably also work for -insert name of expensive oil- or -insert name of expensive wax-. (Just kidding about the wax and oil.. sort of :D)

You can jam all the laser you want. Not easy to put a law IR.

A good detector is an effective tool. And some cops that I have spoken to will encourage there use. For at the very least, cops will frequently patrol areas that are particularly dangerous to speed in. So if you slow down when you pick up their signal... the land is a better place to be.

Granted something that can be mounted stealthily is not a bad idea... in case you do get pulled over. You may better be able to talk your way out. Sometimes a bit of an ego kicks in and you'll get a ticket to spite your hardware. I've had cops admit this to me too. (One time when I was on the side of the road with their gumballs flashing behind me.)

Just to complicate the matter on stealth.. I've learned that most remote detectors don't work as well as window mounted. Window mounted is the major market... it's where the money goes into development. I had a remote mount, and it looked sweet, but was more of a Grocery Store detector than anything else.

Trucks can't use detectors in the US per federal law. States have their own laws.
Although, I still question the legality of banning a radio receiver - maybe we need to know when we're being bombarded with extranneous RF energy.
I like my V1. No radar detector can prevent you from getting a ticket if it's instant-on radar and it's pointed at you. What you hope for is that the LEO will be targeting someone in front or behind you and your detector will pickup that signal. My V1 has picked up LEO's targeting someone else up to 1.5 miles away on a flat road. If you purchase the remote display you can mount the V1 up high near the rearview mirror and the display anywhere you want.

[Fourth Horseman]

My new Valentine 1 saved me from one definite ticket on a little road trip I took this past weekend. It was off the main highways going through a little rural town. A local LEO had positioned himself in a fairly well concealed location near one of those RADAR signs that tells you how fast you're going. I'm not sure if he was hoping that people with detectors would think it was just the sign setting it off, or what. But I saw the K band from the sign, followed by very strong Ka. I knew something was up so I slowed down. I wasn't really ripping it up, only 10 over, but I'm sure it would have generated a stop and ticket.

The rest of the time it served as a highway patrol car detector and helped me to slow down in time to avoid any trouble, though only the one instance would have defiinitely resulted in a ticket.

To each their own, but I didn't buy a Marauder to drive slow, and I don't intend to ever drive it again without my electronic warfare gear on and ready.

[Jewels]

The one thing I think that's most surprising to me that I'm learning from you guys is that simply having a detection device and using it, as well as a jammer device, can and sometimes will draw unwanted attention from the PD, which in some cases might actually increase my chances of getting a ticket, or perhaps even increase my chances of getting pulled over in the first place.
You hit the nail on the head!!! By the way this is Brutus

[Rider90]

You hit the nail on the head!!!
Yes, agreed, but I have my V1 in the same spot Fourth Horseman & N40GL have theirs - up high. Mine is so high in fact you cannot see that there is a detector from the outside, but not too high to limit its ability to do it's job.

[BillyGman]

Yes, agreed, but I have my V1 in the same spot Fourth Horseman & N40GL have theirs - up high. Mine is so high in fact you cannot see that there is a detector from the outside, but not too high to limit its ability to do it's job.Is that directly in front of the rear view mirror, slightly above it, slightly below it, or to the side of it?

[gpfarrell]

I've bought several non-state-of-the-art radar detectors over the years, and they've all been a partial solution, and have all saved me tickets.

I did the OneLapofAmerica twice with a V1, and drove from Pittsburgh to San Diego in a V12 M-Benz (doing someone a favor :) ) with a V1, and was very impressed. I got one last fall for myself and love it.

But they aren't fullproof. They can't detect radar until the LEO pulls the trigger. Odds are, at 2:00 am on a deserted highway he won't be pulling the trigger too often... so I don't know that it'll defend what you want to do.

Give me moderate traffic and a sacrificial rabbit out front, and I can run pretty good. If I'm the only target on the road though, I'm usually a cruise control @ 9mph over the limit guy.

[Rider90]

Is that directly in front of the rear view mirror, slightly above it, slightly below it, or to the side of it?
Click the link since it is too large:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7093&cat=500&page=4

There is a picture of mine installed.

[Fourth Horseman]

Is that directly in front of the rear view mirror, slightly above it, slightly below it, or to the side of it?

I have pics of my mounting location in my gallery, if you're interested.

[BruteForce]

Mine is mounted just under and slightly to the left of the rear view mirror. Wiring is tucked under the rear views mounting base. Here's a diagram:

------[ rear view ]
-------[ V1 ]

The idea being to give it the best view out the back window as possible.

[BillyGman]

They can't detect radar until the LEO pulls the trigger. Odds are, at 2:00 am on a deserted highway he won't be pulling the trigger too often... so I don't know that it'll defend what you want to do.

Give me moderate traffic and a sacrificial rabbit out front, and I can run pretty good. If I'm the only target on the road though, I'm usually a cruise control @ 9mph over the limit guy.I hear ya....from what I'm learning here, I guess that^ covers the general conclusion about all of this as far as Radar goes atleast. The Laser thing might require a jammer from what I'm understanding.

So I guess there are pros and cons to all of this stuff.

EDIT: Thanks for the diagram BF. That's helpful. :up:

[Fourth Horseman]

The Laser thing might require a jammer from what I'm understanding.

There is a product called Veil, that some people claim helps with LIDAR (laser) avoidance. It is a clear paint-type substance that you paint over your head lamps and license plate. Supposedly it cuts down on LIDAR return to the gun. I'm somewhat skeptical myself, and don't fancy painting it on my car, but who knows?

Here's a link: Veil Stealh Coating (http://www.radarbusters.com/products/coatings/veil.asp)

[BillyGman]

Hmmm, lot's of good info here.....U guys are the best.

[Shaft333]

I was just outside doing some range testing... using my car as a guinea pig.

I'm using a range finder that has a infrared laser to determine range. It's low end, so it's not that this is a very scientific comparison to cop laser. However I did notice that it can't read off of the body. Not at all. Reads fine off of the non-black cars I've tested. On my car it has to read off the plates, lights or rims.

Probably very similar to what the Lidar does. Maybe.

[duhtroll]

You can get the same effect with a $0.99 can of sticky hair spray from the dollar store. You have to re-spray after rain and washes.

The effect is that it diffuses the signal -- about 0.0004 percent, so it's just about worthless unless you are far enough away that they probably aren't targeting you with laser anyway.

Or you could buy one of those "clear" plate covers - they also prevent some photo radars from reading your plate. However, it again sows the LEO "hey I'm trying to avoid tickets, so give me a ticket."

Laser is tough to target at long range because you have to hold it VERY steady. That's why they pretty much have to be stationary to use it. Also, it doesn't go through glass well, so they use it on a tripod outside of the car, or if handheld it's thru the open window.

The target is your front license plate (reason for the requirement of front plates - it's nothing to do with ID of the car) followed by your headlights.

That's why most/all? license plates are now flat, reflective surfaces.

-A


There is a product called Veil, that some people claim helps with LIDAR (laser) avoidance. It is a clear paint-type substance that you paint over your head lamps and license plate. Supposedly it cuts down on LIDAR return to the gun. I'm somewhat skeptical myself, and don't fancy painting it on my car, but who knows?

Here's a link: Veil Stealh Coating (http://www.radarbusters.com/products/coatings/veil.asp)

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have a question for you guys in the know.......

I've never had a radar detector, nor a jammer of any kind since I've had family on the force for the past 13 years, up until just several weeks ago. I've always averaged being pulled over about one to two times per year. So I must admit that now that I no longer have someone's name to drop in the event of being pulled over, I'm wondering about the possibilities of purchasing a radar detector.

I'm also thinking of a jammer/scambler too. yes, I know there's been threads on these before, but I haven't noticed an answer to one question that I have.....

Please correct me if this is wrong, but my understanding is that radar detectors are legal. And when it comes to JAMMERS, or scamblers, the LASER
jammers are legal, and very effective against LASER, but the Radar JAMMERS are very illegal, and you will go directly to jail if you're caught with one. Do I have this correct?

You can not legally jam radar the only way to jam radar is to transmit a false return signal, to transmit radar in that freq range you have to have approval through the FCC, you can Jam laser the best system out there is the Passport SRX it has a rear Laser Jammer and twin front laser jammers with the radar receiver in the front also.

http://passportsr1.com/

[O's Fan Rich]

I've always thought of the ticket thing as part of the "game". If I decide to exceed the posted limit ( hypothetically speaking, of course) it seems to me that not knowing if the local constable is just over the rise, adds some excitement.

But, with insurnace rates tied into the point system of most states, it gets to be less and less of a game and more of a cost versus loss scenario.
Hmmm.....

[Fourth Horseman]

You can get the same effect with a $0.99 can of sticky hair spray from the dollar store. You have to re-spray after rain and washes.

The effect is that it diffuses the signal -- about 0.0004 percent, so it's just about worthless unless you are far enough away that they probably aren't targeting you with laser anyway.

I tend to agree with you, though I haven't tested it personally. Still, this review (http://www.radarbusters.com/support/speedlabs-2004/veil.asp) shows as much as 77% reduction in returned LIDAR energy. Don't know what to make of it, honestly. Maybe it works, maybe it's snake oil. In any event, I'm not for painting this stuff onto my head lamps. :)

[captJ696]

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The Escort system is as reliable as any (even Valentine 1 in *independent* testing - i.e. not paid for by Valentine) and has a laser jammer that works with it, that is made to work with it using the same display. And, it's cheaper.

I've come a long way from thinking the Rocky Mountain Radar stuff worked (big mistake - it's crap) and done a bunch of research since then. I have even spoken to a few LEOs about how they target cars, where and when (distance-wise) they do it, and which cars are the most likely to be targeted.

-A


.......guess which radar detector I only seconds ago received in the mail- :down: ROCKY MOUNTAIN RADAR model RMR-C430 which "supposedly" 1- radar/laser scrambler 2- rader/ laser detector. After waiting about two months for delivery of this unit and reading articles about other top performing radar detection units, seems this one is probably crap.

Most likely I`ll opt for a Passport unit. Anyone care to PM me with a great website where you purchased your Passport?

[Dennis Reinhart]

.......guess which radar detector I only seconds ago received in the mail- :down: ROCKY MOUNTAIN RADAR model RMR-C430 which "supposedly" 1- radar/laser scrambler 2- rader/ laser detector. After waiting about two months for delivery of this unit and reading articles about other top performing radar detection units, seems this one is probably crap.

Most likely I`ll opt for a Passport unit. Anyone care to PM me with a great website where you purchased your Passport?
I have them in stock.

[duhtroll]

Ebay also has 'em from time to time.

I got the Pasport 8500 and the laser shifter for $500 total 8 months ago - I bet they are cheaper now.

Incidentally, the laser shifter/passport is the exact same thing as the srx just in two pieces. Check my gallery for install pics.

The best place to mount a radar detector is as high and centered on the vehicle as possible. Some remote sensor mounts may not be optimal . . ..

Laser detectors=worthless. By the time you detect it, you are nailed, hence the jammer.

-A

EDIT: Oh yeah, you can recoup your RMR C430 money by selling it to someone else on ebay. That's what I did!

[captJ696]

Thanks for the info thus far. Rocky Mountain radar was a trial 30 day period so I`ll request a return authorization # and send it on it`s merry :uzi: way :burn:

[fastblackmerc]

Mine is mounted just under and slightly to the left of the rear view mirror. Wiring is tucked under the rear views mounting base. Here's a diagram:

------[ rear view ]
-------[ V1 ]

The idea being to give it the best view out the back window as possible.
I mounted mine to the windshield to the left and above the rearview mirror, right where the "dot-matrix" stuff starts to widen.

[BillyGman]

Thanks again everyone. All of you have supplied me with alot of info here.:banana2:

[Breadfan]

Just out of curiosity, and since I live in VA so I tend to ignore radar detectors (best to not know what I'm missing, lol)...

I'm just wondering how they are able to detect a radar detector. Isn't the radar detector just picking up RF signals? If it is just signaling hte presence of RF, why would it be giving off it's own emissions that could then be detected? I would just think that something picking up RF signals would not be doing much that would allow itself to be detected.

How does that work?

[duhtroll]

What is a radar detector detector? VG-2, Spectre

A Radar Detector Detector (RDD) is a microwave receiver used by police to detect signals radiated by the local oscillator (A circuit inside the detector) of a radar detector. The trade name of the commonly used RDD manufactured is Interceptor VG-2, most often simply referred to as VG-2. A newer device in this field is called Spectre and it can detect all the "Undetectable" radar detectors that are on the market! Spectre has upgraded their RDD twice so far, to catch other detectors that tried to "hide" their emissions. Currently, the latest version is Spectre III (6/04).

An officer using a RDD typically parks next to a busy freeway and aims the device at a 45 degree angle across the traffic stream. The RDD acts just like a radar detector when it hears an approaching radar detector, increasing its audio alert rate and progressively lighting more LED's in its visual display. By observing the traffic and watching how the RDD responds, the officer can make an educated guess as to which vehicle is using a radar detector. Some detectors are "noisier" than others and can be detected by the RDD from as far away as 4,000 feet.

In Virginia, the largest user of the RDD's, officers are not empowered to search a vehicle unless visible signs are present to support the RDD's guess that a radar detector is in the targeted vehicle. Important: A missing cigarette lighter plug, dangling power cord, Velcro on the dash, a mounting bracket on the windshield or visor will tip the officer as to the possible presence of a detector and allow him to search for it. If found, the detector isn't confiscated; the officer notes its serial number, checks to see if it's operational, then hands it back to the driver - along with a citation for having used it.
NOTE: This information was correct when written. It is the responsibility of the individual radar detector owner to know and understand the laws in your area regarding the legality of the use of radar detectors.

[dflynn5]

I've been using detectors for a few years now and while by no means fool proof, they have saved me about 2 - 3 tickets a year on average. Usually, it picks up radar from the car(s) ahead or if LEO has left the radar on. If I'm on my own and/or LEO is using instant on, I'm toast. Costco sells a really nice battery operated cheap model. Sorry I forget the brand and yes I know that there are far better models out there but my expectations are that I get less tickets with a radar detector not that I get none. Also, I have to say that the detector does slow me down and make me more aware of the speed I am travelling at. Like Billy, I never speed in heavy traffic or bad road conditions but when I'm out driving country roads or want to overtake slow traffic, I don't want to be penalized for driving a car like the Marauder the way it was ment to be driven.

[Logan]

So, I'll speak up on the laser Jammer side of things.

I run a Blinder M40 Extreme. It has two emitters in the front, two in the back. It runs passively on all the time. They each cover about a 36inch circle on the front and rear of the car. So you strategically place them to cover the license plate and headlamps.

The further away the laser, the more effective they are. In practical testing with my LEO buddy in Dallas, with a 100% success rate, I was able to constantly error out his laser gun right up to about 60ft away from him coming in from a 1 mile distance.

Laser is regulated by the FDA, not the FCC. No laws on the books about interfering with the transmission of a light source. Bluntly, the FDA doesn't care.

There are local laws in some places I've seen where you can theoretically be charged with hindering sworn duties, blah blah, but well, they have to know they're being hindered first. The system consists of two black pods on the front and rear, you figure out what they're for. Inside the car, there's a switch and a piezo alarm buried in the dash.

The error codes the Blinder results in can also result from natural refraction of light as well.

Anyway, point being, I operate like this, and it's saved me countless tickets.

Puttering along, get hit by laser, jammer goes nuts, I calmly slow down to the limit, turn the jammer off, Laser detector all the while going nuts too.

Mr. Officer gets a reading of Logan doing the legal speed limit after numerous frustrated attempts to get his gun to stop erroring out and give him a reading. Seeing that I'm doing the limit, no cause to stop me...

Now, that being said, I've gotten a number of really "annoyed".... "Looks" from PO's and a couple "Tsk, Tsk" shakes of the finger, but have never gotten a ticket from laser in over 3 years now... I lost count at 20 tickets it saved me from... Some deserved, some, they were just being damned sneaky.

[duhtroll]

Error readings on laser guns are quite common, and they are very hard to target.

It takes a very steady hand. . . :)

The Escort system has the same operation - they suggest you slow down, then hit the "mute" button twice, and it will disable the jammer for something like one minute, and then automatically resume.

This allows "them" to get a reading of you driving within limits, and they should be none the wiser.

I have to admit I got drunk with power one day and didn't hit the mute button. I was the only car around and I drove right by the guy, who did sport that confused look. Maybe it was a mistake to do that.

If speeding tickets weren't just 10% safety issues and 90% revenue, I'd not be so hostile about them.

-A

[Logan]

Problem with not allowing the PO to get a decent reading is he'd be much more apt to do one of those them there visual estimatin' bull-crap estimatin's and pull yur butt over, pull a boss hogg and whack out your tail light or sumthin... Well, in Georgia anyway... ;)

[SergntMac]

Problem with not allowing the PO to get a decent reading is he'd be much more apt to do one of those them there visual estimatin' bull-crap estimatin's and pull yur butt over, pull a boss hogg and whack out your tail light or sumthin... Well, in Georgia anyway... ;) Hehehe...Works for me!

When I bought my present Marauder, it came with an Export 8500 detector installed. I took it out, gave it away to Maraudr 57 here. He seemed to have a lot of speed related problems back then. Since then, I don't have any detectors/blocker/jammers in place, and I seem to do quite well OTR.

Like it's been said ^ there, there's no excuse for knowing where you are and what you are doing. Excessive speed can cost you, how fast do you want to go? Nothing beats paying attention, your vision and observation of your surroundings is priceless against the cost of any radar detector. Be reasonable, be aware. OTR, you can smell a cop running radar a mile away, all you need to do is keep watch on your surroundings. Stop being lazy, think about what you're doing, you'll be fine.

If you get caught speeding after you have read this, you're just plain stupid.

[Fourth Horseman]

I agree with what Mac said about keeping your eyes open. There's certainly no substitute for what fighter pilots call situational awareness. On the other hand, none of them fly into battle without their RADAR warning receivers and electronic warfare gear powered up, so why should we? :)

[BillyGman]

Nothing beats paying attention, your vision and observation of your surroundings is priceless against the cost of any radar detector. Be reasonable, be aware. OTR, you can smell a cop running radar a mile away, all you need to do is keep watch on your surroundings. Stop being lazy, think about what you're doing, you'll be fine.

But that might be easy for a person who's been involved with Law Enforcement directly for a number of years like you have. What I mean is, I really don't have a specific understanding of what capacity of LE you work in now, but isn't it true that you were at one time one of those LEO's out there looking for speeders yourself? And if that's true, then you're able to be "aware of your surroundings" with a much more educated viewpoint than most of us are. Correct? Therefore it isn't all that simple for most of us.

The set-up that Logan has described sounds pretty good to me, however, I'm sure that it isn't cheap either. But I guess it's either pay now, or pay later. Unless ofcourse I decide to always drive the speed limit literally evrywhere I go, from now on. But that's a whole lot easier said than done, and as for me, I'd by fibbing if I said that i was going to do that.

[woaface]

Logan, I used your car as an example of what Billy might find joy in.

I told him exactly how your set up works (in a phone conversation) and now you've told him more yourself:) And Billy now knows what he's going to get!

[BillyGman]

I told him exactly how your set up works (in a phone conversation) and now you've told him more yourself:) And Billy now knows what he's going to get!Well, I guess I don't have any choice now, lest the wrath of James falls upon me. :bricks: :hide:

[woaface]

Glad we settled this in such a civil manner:)

Now go to bed!

[BillyGman]

Glad we settled this in such a civil manner:)

Now go to bed!AWE...ya never let me have any fun.....:alone: