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fastblackmerc
09-12-2005, 10:39 AM
1. There has been an average of 160,000 troops in Iraq during the last
22 months. The death rate has been 60 per 100,000 troops.

2. The death rate from shootings in Washington, DC is 86 per 100,000
residents

3. That means that you are more likely to be shot and killed in our
nation's Capitol, which has some of the toughest gun control laws in
the nation, than you are in Iraq.

4. Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington, D.C.

Marauder2005
09-12-2005, 11:00 AM
1. There has been an average of 160,000 troops in Iraq during the last
22 months. The death rate has been 60 per 100,000 troops.

2. The death rate from shootings in Washington, DC is 86 per 100,000
residents

3. That means that you are more likely to be shot and killed in our
nation's Capitol, which has some of the toughest gun control laws in
the nation, than you are in Iraq.

4. Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington, D.C.
Maybe we should send troops to Washington :cool:

merc
09-12-2005, 11:29 AM
Upper Marlboro, Md. (AP) - More people have been killed in Prince George's County than in D.C. so far this year.

A fact that has residents worried. There have been 25 homicides compared to 17 in D.C. The county is on track to surpass the 148 killings recorded last year. There were 197 homicides in the District last year.

County Police Chief Melvin High tells the Washington Post the easy availability of guns is a key factor. Firearms were used in most of the county homicides last year. Officials also blame social factors they say are beyond their control.

County Executive Jack Johnson insists P.G. is still safe. He says the county is trying smarter policing. Johnson says officers have been targeting key corridors, looking to stop and search vehicles.

For those that are not aware of the location of Prince George County. It borders the eastern side of D.C.

rocknrod
09-12-2005, 12:11 PM
More College students die yearly by drugs and alcahol right here in the good old U.S. of A. than Americans in Iraq.
Not to mention all the other deaths occuring in our streets.
I wonder where the Outrage is on all this ?
Oh ya, CNN etc being activist for one party CAN'T tell it like it is.

BruteForce
09-12-2005, 12:41 PM
Problem with these type of statistics is that they're not counting the same thing. One is counting ALL murder victims in DC and the other is counting only US casualties in Iraq.

As they say... you can make statistics say whatever you want. Just depends on what you choose to include in your sample.

"There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Variously attributed to Benjamin Disraeli.

rocknrod
09-12-2005, 01:23 PM
Problem with these type of statistics is that they're not counting the same thing. One is counting ALL murder victims in DC and the other is counting only US casualties in Iraq.......And neither one of them sites the other. Whats the point?

duhtroll
09-12-2005, 01:25 PM
Exactly the sentiment I had. Did you know that 72% of statistics are simply made up on the spot? :P

And enough with the "media liberal bias" crap.

The media has a *profit* bias, and a *sensationalist* bias. They do whatever gets people to watch and read and antics get more outrageous each year.

If there is a liberal bias in the media then I want the year 1998 and half of 1999 back. You know, when we were talking to kids about oral sex. :rolleyes:

-A


Problem with these type of statistics is that they're not counting the same thing. One is counting ALL murder victims in DC and the other is counting only US casualties in Iraq.

As they say... you can make statistics say whatever you want. Just depends on what you choose to include in your sample.

"There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Variously attributed to Benjamin Disraeli.

BruteForce
09-12-2005, 01:44 PM
And neither one of them sites the other. Whats the point?

The point is that any conclusions drawn are erroneous as the data is stacked to favor said conclusion.

Now if the study had compared the number of white male heterosexuals killed in DC vs Iraq then you might be able to draw a reasonable conclusion e.g., that DC is safer for white male heterosexuals than is Iraq.

I spent a lot of time working with statistical design & analysis when I took my Masters. Only problem with that is now I can't blindly buy in to any stat quoted by an "expert." Most all stats quoted in the media are unreliable as there is no reporting on how the study was conducted. Doesn't matter who spews them as all sides happily participate in the game. By the time someone can dig up the original study (if it even exists) and reports the inaccuracies, the "news" generated by the quote is is longer "front page." Maybe there might be a retraction on page 12 in tiny print. Maybe not. Radio and TV don't do retractions unless they get in big trouble.

Bluerauder
09-12-2005, 01:56 PM
The point is that any conclusions drawn are erroneous as the data is stacked to favor said conclusion.
I think that this was posted as a joke. :rolleyes: But you guys go ahead and analyze the h3ll out of whatever you want to !!! :argue: Carry on. :D

dok
09-12-2005, 01:59 PM
Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is exciting, but what they conceal is essential. :)

MAD-3R
09-12-2005, 02:52 PM
4. Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington, D.C.


I did!! :lol: