setina push bar installed!!

[ultravorx]

Hey guys, i finally got my push bar installed.

Its the setina pb400 with the heavy duty kit.
www.setina.com cost was $180

I was going to get the quick install kit, but i found 2 things i didnt like about it.

1) If the push bar is used, or your in a small accident, it can "crack the fiberglass frame" of the car, possibly even puncturing your radiator!!

2) the brackets that hold it on rest on the top of the bumper, and over time it can/will wear the paint away.

The brackets i got bolt right to the metal bumper. For the lower brackets, there are "struts" that bolt to the radiator bolts for extra stability (see pic) and the top ones aslo bolt right to the metal bumper.

I did have to cut to small notches for the upper bracket in the bumber, but it is hardely noticable. And these brackets can take much more abuse. If you lift on the bar, the front end of the car rises, its very solid.

The looks are awesome, see for your self...
Frank

[blackf0rk]

Can you post some oveerall shots, and a better shot of the upper bracket and how it goes "into" the car? From the picture, it appears you cut the bumper (on the upper one)?

[MarauderMark]

I like it but my wife says no way... :P
at least with this you can tell when you went to far in a parking space..

[hitchhiker]

It looks like you're ready to push a few ricers!

:D

[huot5]

I was calling setina also to inquire about the push bar, (for the same reasons), but decided agaist it, cuz of the five-O look. I see speeders and aggressive drivers just about everyday and try to find a way of getting these azzes to get a ticket. yours blends in better ( black on black with black rubber protection) , even though setina also makes a silver push bar.

[69 Resto-Mod CP]

Just wondering......Why did you put a push bumper on you car?:)

[GreekGod]

Nice job-very urban assault looking. Is it a Crown Vic application you adapted to the MM? Steel or aluminum? Weight? Me Likey! Yes, it does look awsome and the price seems fair. Do we order direct?

[ultravorx]

Nice job-very urban assault looking. Is it a Crown Vic application you adapted to the MM? Steel or aluminum? Weight? Me Likey! Yes, it does look awsome and the price seems fair. Do we order direct?


The main reason i put this on was because of minor accidents. My rear bumper was hit while i was parked, and im having difficultites getting it fixed (long story, but it will get fixed, the guy waited for me) So, my "excuse" is that if i get bumped lightly from the front, i wont get damage to the bumper cover, it'll just tap the push bar, plus it looks really bass a$$ on the marauder

It is a crown vic application. I used the heavy duty kit. ITs light as anything, maybe 20-30 lbs with the brackets, i can hold the bar up with 2 fingers!! I believe its aluminum, but dotn qoute me on that.

You can order it directly from setina. Just tell them is a personal order, otherwise they start asking for police dept etc. Its actually pretty funny, it looks like they dont sell many to consumers! Shipping from setina in WA to CT was about $25, so you can do the rough math of your location.

I'll get some pics of far shots up tommorow.


Frank

[wesman]

nice job dude :)

[GreekGod]

(quote)"The main reason i put this on was because of minor accidents. My rear bumper was hit while i was parked, and im having difficultites getting it fixed (long story, but it will get fixed, the guy waited for me) So, my "excuse" is that if i get bumped lightly from the front, i wont get damage to the bumper cover, it'll just tap the push bar, plus it looks really bass a$$ on the marauder

It is a crown vic application. I used the heavy duty kit. ITs light as anything, maybe 20-30 lbs with the brackets, i can hold the bar up with 2 fingers!! I believe its aluminum, but dotn qoute me on that.

You can order it directly from setina. Just tell them is a personal order, otherwise they start asking for police dept etc. Its actually pretty funny, it looks like they dont sell many to consumers! Shipping from setina in WA to CT was about $25, so you can do the rough math of your location.

I'll get some pics of far shots up tommorow."


Thanks for the info. That's a cool car with impressive mods-especially for a 25 year old! I have been thinking the same as you-looking for minor bump protection plus the heavy-duty look.

[BruteForce]

If you're worried about little bumps? Maybe a couple of these front & rear will fix ya'll up. :D

http://www.send2press.com/photoSP/fenderbud2.jpg

[SergntMac]

Thanks for the pics, they explain a lot of stuff. Everything looks good. Solid, tight, strong...Ready. A very clean install, and without much upset to OEM structures at all. I like your presentation, a Marauder with some teeth, but I must add regrets too.

I don't get the "why" of this, and your reasoning falls short. I'm sure you know exactly "why" in your heart, and I am not asking you to explain that, but it all looks so ready for a road fight.

Maybe that's it?

Maybe we look at other motorist in traffic with us differently?

I wait for a first transgression, maybe a second transgression too, before someone "spoils" my highway drive space. Much like "spit in my eye first", then let me at them, eh?

Your Setina bar says the opposite. It says "don't you even think about it!"

I suppose it's right and proper to put up a warning to potential trespassers, that's exactly why we put up fences. Guess I just can't see such a warning necessary on my Marauder.

That said, it looks good.

Happy Motoring...

[Rangero]

Man, I don't know.....but there are several mods I don't understand:

Running boards on a 2 wheel drive Ranger
Class 2 receiver on Mustang GT
A CB antenna on anything less than a vehicle with 10 wheels


Anyway you get the idea, if it makes you happy I say go for it.

[RCSignals]

The main reason i put this on was because of minor accidents. My rear bumper was hit while i was parked, and im having difficultites getting it fixed (long story, but it will get fixed, the guy waited for me) So, my "excuse" is that if i get bumped lightly from the front, i wont get damage to the bumper cover, it'll just tap the push bar, plus it looks really bass a$$ on the marauder

It is a crown vic application. I used the heavy duty kit. ITs light as anything, maybe 20-30 lbs with the brackets, i can hold the bar up with 2 fingers!! I believe its aluminum, but dotn qoute me on that.

You can order it directly from setina. Just tell them is a personal order, otherwise they start asking for police dept etc. Its actually pretty funny, it looks like they dont sell many to consumers! Shipping from setina in WA to CT was about $25, so you can do the rough math of your location.

I'll get some pics of far shots up tommorow.


Frank

Sorry, I don't get it.
The main reason i put this on was because of minor accidents. ..................... So, my "excuse" is that if i get bumped lightly from the front, i wont get damage to the bumper cover,

You are worried about 'minor' accidents and bumps to the bumper cover, so you put this monstrocity on the front?

Why do you need an 'excuse' for it? Is there another reason you put it on?

Looks like you had to cut holes in the bumper cover to install this, or is the picture deceiving?

[ultravorx]

Sorry, I don't get it.
The main reason i put this on was because of minor accidents. ..................... So, my "excuse" is that if i get bumped lightly from the front, i wont get damage to the bumper cover,

You are worried about 'minor' accidents and bumps to the bumper cover, so you put this monstrocity on the front?

Why do you need an 'excuse' for it? Is there another reason you put it on?

Looks like you had to cut holes in the bumper cover to install this, or is the picture deceiving?
One of the biggest reasons is the look. When i saw the pic of wesmans marauder with the bar, i fell in love with it, but it was hard to justify it just for its appearance. But after i got into the fender bender, i decided to go for it. My bumber was hit at less than 5mph in a parking lot, causing about $500 worth of damage. So i figure, at least in the front, if the same thing happens, it would save the bumper cover and the hassles of getting it fixed.
Plus, now on the road, everyone gets out of the way, more of the "crown vic effect" as Dan would put it.

Plus, it matches the dark front end, with the custom lights and all.
I guess its all a matter of taste!


Frank

[GreekGod]

[quote]"Your Setina bar says the opposite. It says "don't you even think about it!"

I suppose it's right and proper to put up a warning to potential trespassers, that's exactly why we put up fences. Guess I just can't see such a warning necessary on my Marauder.

That said, it looks good.".......Hey, that's it-"don't even think about it"! And "a warning to potential tresspassers"

[Dan]

Frank,

I would put one on my car but the Mrs. won't have it. The only reason I would do it is just the one that you cited. To increase "the Crown Vic Effect." (CVE)

I just LOVE the CVE! There is no greater pleasuer than to be able to see all of those idiots who woud not otherwise move to the right actually move right. It really is too bad that there is little to no obedience or enforcement of this law.

Anyway, I bet they RACE to get out of your way, now, huh?

Nice mod, Frank.

Best,

Dan

[Dan]

I live near Frank and have seen his car. He just loves to modify it and doesn't get too hung up on removing this or modifying that to make one of his mods work.

He has done one mod that has given his car an infrared display for night vision. To make it work he had to sacrfice his front grill emblem. While what he installed in its place is very practical I wouldn't score it high on appearance. Still, it is the kind of mod that Frank would do and he loves it.

His car has lots of other interesting little tweaks to it that make it Franks.

I guess what I am saying is that I can vouch for Frank and his reasons. He views modding his car a little differently than you or I but don't we all? I hope so.

Again, nice mod, Frank.

Best,

Dan

[Hack Goby]

Well putting a push bar on a $35,000 car would be the last thing I would do I just want to let you know who was the first.Santino was the first late model Marauder to start hanging at Wild Woody`s back in 2003 along with Larry(Merc406)Larry Cumph(02 LX Sport) and myself(02LX Sport) this was the early beginnings of what would later become the Motor City Marauders.He also took it the next step by putting on steel cop rims,fake antennas,and even had a Mich.plate that said "Unit32".Anyway he was also the first to get rid of his Marauder getting a `04 Mustang Cobra later that summer.Just a little history. http://home.comcast.net/~hack_goby/sdgsdg.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~hack_goby/DCP_1021.jpg

[fastblackmerc]

Well putting a push bar on a $35,000 car would be the last thing I would do I just want to let you know who was the first.Santino was the first late model Marauder to start hanging at Wild Woody`s back in 2003 along with Larry(Merc406)Larry Cumph(02 LX Sport) and myself(02LX Sport) this was the early beginnings of what would later become the Motor City Marauders.He also took it the next step by putting on steel cop rims,fake antennas,and even had a Mich.plate that said "Unit32".Anyway he was also the first to get rid of his Marauder getting a `04 Mustang Cobra later that summer.Just a little history. http://home.comcast.net/~hack_goby/sdgsdg.jpg
Looks like LEO wanna-be's..... I get enough people moving out of my lane without a push bar. Some can't move fast enough..... but, to each his own.....

[Warpath]

I don't get it either. Its not my car and we're each different. But, making your car look like a CVPI and saying it looks good is like someone walking up to me and saying they just bought the sexiest looking shovel they've ever seen. They're both utilitarian in my mind and don't have anything pleasing to the eye to me. If you're looking for the "CVE," it seems to me that you are looking for some sort of power trip and have an uncontrollable need to be in control. But, I'm no psychiatrist. I'm just an idiot with a computer. Add me to the list of those who don't get it.

[ultravorx]

here are some long distance pics, enjoy!!!

[Breadfan]

Thanks for the pics, they explain a lot of stuff. Everything looks good. Solid, tight, strong...Ready. A very clean install, and without much upset to OEM structures at all. I like your presentation, a Marauder with some teeth, but I must add regrets too.

I don't get the "why" of this, and your reasoning falls short. I'm sure you know exactly "why" in your heart, and I am not asking you to explain that, but it all looks so ready for a road fight.

Maybe that's it?

Maybe we look at other motorist in traffic with us differently?

I wait for a first transgression, maybe a second transgression too, before someone "spoils" my highway drive space. Much like "spit in my eye first", then let me at them, eh?

Your Setina bar says the opposite. It says "don't you even think about it!"

I suppose it's right and proper to put up a warning to potential trespassers, that's exactly why we put up fences. Guess I just can't see such a warning necessary on my Marauder.

That said, it looks good.

Happy Motoring...Funny, I was thinking about this, I kind of like the look, and being removable you can ditch it if you get tired of it. I for one was washing my car and found some tool hit my car - my license plate is dented. I have also found 2 "dings" probably from door hits. (By "tool" I do not mean a Craftsman!!!)

I park as far away and take two spots whenever possible. At my apartment complex I park near a curb and have my '90 Mustang protecting the other side. Even with all this I get bumped and find dings.

Our fellow motorists are down right savages when it comes to cars. The majority of them could care less of a ding, scratch or dent in their own cars and think even less of others.

My next plan is to put a large CONE in front of my MM when it's parked at the apartment.

My plans after that is to buy a beater, park the car at my parents house under a cover and drive it only on weekends. After that my plan is to purchase a house of my own and do the same thing there.

One of my thoughts is that something like this would give protection from people backing into the front of the car. I've had it happen to me, so I thought of it before anyone else even mentioned it.

At the same time, I think I see the point you are trying to make. You're making a point that putting one of these on your MM is done with the intent of inciting more fear on the highway...maybe making our cars look more like LEO's. I'm sure it would have this effect, and I must admit, it's sort of appealing.

My dad has a black CVPI, ex-undercover car. I drove it when my Grand Am was in the shop before I got the Marauder. It was definitely a neat experience, it was amazing how civil my fellow drivers were around me when I drove that car.

When I got the Marauder I quickly realized it had a similar effect, though somewhat diluted.

While I don't feel I've gained any sort of "power" necessarily, I can say this is the first car I've owned that I've noticed a VERY LARGE drop in being tailgated, cut off, passed agressively, or treated poorly on the road.

That being said, it's probably one of the safer cars I've driven for this reason.

Adding a push bar might make it look more like a LEO, and maybe there is question as to the motives of why you would do this, but I believe as long as you aren't trying to access some sort of law enforcement "power" that isnt' there, it's not such a bad thing and may even add to the safety of the road and the drivers around you purely by them being unsure what this black cop-car looking thing really is.

My point is, so long as you aren't abusing a power that isn't there, it shouldn't be such a bad thing. As for making the car look more intimidating, yes it does that, and that too is not necessarily a bad thing - people have been making their cars look more intimidating for years. In this case the "intimidating" factor says "if I speed near this guy I may get a ticket" whereas the "intimidating" factor on many other cars says either "go ahead, race me" or "look at my funny and I'll run you off the road."

So perhaps it's also a more 'healthy' form of intimidation. :)

All this being said, I'm considering getting one of these for my dad's b-day for his CVPI. This will make his ex-cop car look even more like a cop car I guess. I think it might look cool on his CVPI.

My question is this - am I completely way off? Is putting something on the car that makes it look more agressive or more like a cop car really that bad?

Along the same lines I often attend the local shooting range for target practice. I usually rent a handgun, sometimes I bring my dad's. One of the sillouette targets I have that was shot particuarly well hangs on my wall. At night if my shades are up you can easily see it walking by my aparment. (I often leave the shades up for my dog when I am gone.)

I feel it's not such a bad thing - a would-be theif might think twice about robbing from me, even though I do not have a firearm in my apartment. (I do own one gun, a small 22-rifle that is kept with my parents....oh and a paintball gun but that isn't a firearm so much as an airarm, lol!)

Sorry to just rant on, I'm just curious if that's the thought pattern here. If so, thats my opinion on it - it's not so bad so long as it's not abused. For that matter, it could be healthy. So long as you aren't trying to pull people over or ram them off the road, one of these push bars has the potential of making the road around you a bit safer, plus keep morons from backing into your car and damaging your bumper.



As for the look, I do like it personally, and so long as it's only a bolt on peice and can be removed it's something I actually would consider. I don't think it's something I'd like to see as a permanent fixture to a MM, but it's got a cool look for sure, and when the time ISNT right it could be taken off.

As for my rant, it's not really a rant and I'm certainly not bashing anyone, but while many can debate the aesthetics of these push bars I don't think there is some sort of evilness invovled with having one, so long as it isn't abused.

Just my $0.02...

:rolleyes: :D :beer:

[Blackened300a]

To Each is own, But I prefer to set my Car Apart from LEO's and NYC Taxi Cabs.

[GreekGod]

The R&L rear doors on my MM have stickers on the stationary glass: "Warning! Driver only carries $20 worth of ammunition". The push bar and cop wheels-I like the look. A target full of holes left on the dash (as a windshield shade?) would be a crowning touch on my Michigan Militia Staff car. I've been riding motorcycles since the early 70's and have about 200,000 miles on them. I still don't get "Harleys" even though I owned and rode one for 2 years. Whatever someone wants to do to a Harley or a MM is fine with me. We have a law in Michigan that the left lane is for passing and we are not supposed to pass on the right. It is ignored by many drivers and especially on the freeway, as I'm sure it is in other states. A friend of mine worked out of the Jackson, MI state police post and drove one of the Interceptor Mustangs. He would park on the freeway entrance ramps looking for drivers blocking traffic in the left lane and go after them. I'm sure most got a well deserved ticket.

[ckadiddle]

I have thought about adding a pushbar to my CVs and Marauder from time to time. If I ever install one, it'll be a well used "beat up" looking one. :)

[mcb26]

I have thought about adding a pushbar to my CVs and Marauder from time to time. If I ever install one, it'll be a well used "beat up" looking one. :)
Add a few different colors of paint chips :D

[Marauder2005]

Push bars will end up doing more damage FYI. We have had a couple crusers

totaled just because it had a push bar on it. (Bent frame etc.) You could

always buy a $3,000 used cop car and throw a bar on that as well :)

[BillyGman]

Push bars will end up doing more damage FYI. We have had a couple crusers

totaled just because it had a push bar on it. (Bent frame etc.) That doesn't surprise me to hear that. I don't think there's anything "intimidating" about the looks of a push bar on the front of your car at all. Nor do I believe that anyone else feels intimidated by it either. The only reason it might get their attention is the likelyhood of them wondering if you're a cop. But as far as the pushbar itself goes, there wouldn't be any reason for people to think that you're actually going to use it to push them off of the road. Unless ofcourse you are a cop, and they engage in a high speed pursuit. And I've never heard anyone say....."Yeah, when his lightbar and siren went on, I was going to hit the gas and run from him, but then I noticed that push bar, and I decided that it would be too dangerous for me to run from him since he has that, so that's when I decided to pull over".....

Okay, so what's my point? My point is that the bottom line is that people who install these push bars on their cars want them to look like cop cars. I can't see it being for any other reason, since nobody in their right mind is going to actually believe that you're going to ram into their car just because you don't like the way that they drive. Me personally? I don't want my car looking like a cop car anymore than it already does. When I look in the rearview mirror, and see a few cars slowing down and congregating behind me on the highway, and it becomes obvious that they're afraid to pass me in fear of me being a cop, then I just open it up a little bit, but only for a second or two just so they can hear my headers and exhaust, so then they know I'm not a cop. And then they usually proceed to pass me.

I've always liked Crown Vics, but not because they look like cop cars. I like Crown Vics and especially Marauders, because of their body style. I think that the guys who like Crown Vics just because they look like cop cars, must want people to think that they're cops. And I just cannot relate to that. Why would you want people to think you're a cop if you're not? Is it some type of power trip? Anyway, that isn't for me.

I guess if you install a push bar on your Marauder, then why wouldn't you want to remove the mag wheels and the polished exhaust tips? Why not go all the way and really make it look like a cop car if that's what you're into?

I mean absolutley no disrespect to Frank (aka "Ultravorx"). I've met him, and he's a great guy, and neither Frank, nor anyone has to explain any of their tastes to me as far as I'm concerned. I'm just expressing the fact that I cannot even begin to relate to a desire for a push bar. But hey, that's me. Now I know why people on the LS1tech.com board were implying last week that us Marauder owners are wanna-be cops just because of the way our cars look. At first I was very surprised to read that, but now I understand why they do.

They're stereotyping all of us because some of us apparently are like that. To each their own I guess. No offense Frank. Just sharing my viewpoint and tastes concerning our Marauders. Just like you were. Having met you, I really do think you're a great guy, and I had a really good time talking with you. I also admire you for the fact that you know a lot more about electrical stuff and electronics than I ever will. I just don't share your tastes I guess. I hope you continue to enjoy your car my friend.;)

[RCSignals]

Good post Billy.

Remind those on LS1tech.com board that there are still many Caprice and Impala SS's of that genre, owners who are 'wanna-be cops' just because of the way their cars look. (although that is dimishing as are their cars)

If someone wants to put a push bar/brush bar on the front of their Marauder it's up to them, they can fill their boots.
I don't buy that its to prevent dents and digs though, thats just too extreme a reason.

Believe me, there is no such thing as a 'CVE' It's a myth. Kind of a 'Walter Mitty' thing. Walts do believe in it though.

[Mike Poore]

here are some long distance pics, enjoy!!!
Nice lake. :whistle:

[twolow]

Some bought the Marauder because they want to look like cops but don't want to drive a weak $18,000 car.

The Marauder fits the bill to still look like a cop but have the luxury and power. The fact that Florida uses the Marauder just adds to the mentality.

The day a wannabe is pulled over and the cop inquires as to why you have a push bar or driver's side spot light I just don't see where the reasons stated are going to win over the officer.

But yes we all know why he added the push bar, to have drivers around him respect him for something he is not.

[oldekid]

Frank,

I gotta say it looks pretty cool. I probably wouldn't do it to mine, but it's nice to see another MM that looks a little different. It may be for protection, looks, or for what ever reason, but it's no worse than some of the brush bars that people put on their high dollar SUVs that never leave the road.

I really don't understand why everyone even cares why you did it. Hell, we all know that we're pretty much driving a cop car anyway. Most guys on here enjoy the fact that people move out of their way on the road. I have read that many times.

Enjoy your new mod, and congrats for being bold enough to be different. At least it isn't lime green, and when the car stops, the wheels appear to stop with it.

There. . . . I had my say. :beer:

[MarauderMarc]

I think that every one of you that are critisizing him for "trying to be like a cop" should back off. Maybe he likes the look...just because you dont doesent make him weird. I have Whelen strobe lights in my rear/reverse/front corners and it has nothing to do with being a wannabe LEO. Ive been to some Marauder meets and have seen some things that I personally wouldnt have done, but I respect it as a personality trait and leave it there. Plus Ultravox never said he wants to act like a cop. Why dont you just give a personal "i like it" or "its not for me, but good job anyways" and leave it alone from there without accusing or assuming things you dont even know for sure of????

Ultravox, I like it, although I probably wouldnt do it, I still like it and the agressive look it adds. Let us know if you ever put it into use!!!!!

[twolow]

I walk around with a badge in my wallet but that doesn't make me a wannabe cop :P

[ahess77]

I've been driving my 99 Crown Vic with a push bar for 5 years now. I have never attempted to intimidate or in any way draw on the police "power" or authority because of being a police car look-alike.

However, because those around you don't know if, or what you are (since there's no illegal red/blue lights on the car), you are surrounded by a lot more courteous drivers. It definately does make people look twice. They're less likely to pull out in front of you, less likely to cut you off, etc. This is compared to driving the Marauder with the same look, but without the pushbar.

The only problem I've had with the Setina bar is that the powercoat chips off. I've "painted" it with some black underbody coating over the years, it makes it look a little rough, but you can't tell when looking at it through the rear view mirror.

The advantage to it: It makes the car quieter. I removed the bar during a repair and was surprised by all the windnoise. The bar tends to push air out to the sides of the car, away from the mirrors, door handles, etc. and the car is quieter with the pushbar than without.

If anyone is interested in a 5 year old Aluminum pushbar let me know, the crown vic is headed for the junkyard soon and I don't want the look on my Marauder.

[Dan]

I used to drive a LOT. In fact, I still drive above average miles. So, when I was looking for a car I was looking for a used CVPI entirely for the reason that I knew that other motorists would get out of its way on the highway. Honestly, I would have bought a Beetle Diesel if I thought that it would have the same affect.

As has already been stated here, very few motorists observe the "slower traffic move right" laws that virtually every state in the US has on its books. My buying reason #1 was minimizing the effect that left lane hogs had on my driving enjoyment.

I have never had a desire to be, imitate or act like a cop. I DID have a desire to leverage that mysterious affect that CVPIs have on other motorists. I don't see how anyone can actually think that people don't pull right or move out of their way on the highway unless that person never exceeds the speed limit or only drives in the right lanes.

When I discovered the Marauder it worked for me on every level. To me, it was a CVPI on steroids!! Am I the only one to look at the rear tail light treatment of, what is essentially a Grand Marquis, and wonder if Ford was playing on the desriability of owning a high-per CVPI? Am I the only one to wonder if Ford wasn't trading on that whole "Crown Vic Effect?"

I'll never know the answer but it doesn't really matter all that much to me. The fact is that I have a car that causes people to "mysteriously" move to the right. No other car that I have ever owned has had that effect. I have a car that out performs the lofty CVPI in almost every way.

Am I happy about my purchase? You bet I am. Am I trying to be a "cop-wannabe?" I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone (other than an actual cop) would even think that is desirable.

Do I wish that enforcement was such the folks got out of the left lane without having to see a 4,000 lb Crown Vic on their tail? You bet I do! Then I could have bought a convertible instead. :)

Anyway, other will question your motives for your upgrades, Frank. Let them. You know why you did it and that is all that matters. Nice mod!!!

Best,

Dan

PS: Frank, call me if you want me to share with you how to handle a cop that asks you about the push bar. There are ways to counter this, too.

[Breadfan]

I've been driving my 99 Crown Vic with a push bar for 5 years now. I have never attempted to intimidate or in any way draw on the police "power" or authority because of being a police car look-alike.

However, because those around you don't know if, or what you are (since there's no illegal red/blue lights on the car), you are surrounded by a lot more courteous drivers. It definately does make people look twice. They're less likely to pull out in front of you, less likely to cut you off, etc. This is compared to driving the Marauder with the same look, but without the pushbar.

The only problem I've had with the Setina bar is that the powercoat chips off. I've "painted" it with some black underbody coating over the years, it makes it look a little rough, but you can't tell when looking at it through the rear view mirror.

The advantage to it: It makes the car quieter. I removed the bar during a repair and was surprised by all the windnoise. The bar tends to push air out to the sides of the car, away from the mirrors, door handles, etc. and the car is quieter with the pushbar than without.

If anyone is interested in a 5 year old Aluminum pushbar let me know, the crown vic is headed for the junkyard soon and I don't want the look on my Marauder.
I sent you a PM, btw. ;)

[Breadfan]

PS: Frank, call me if you want me to share with you how to handle a cop that asks you about the push bar. There are ways to counter this, too.
I suppose if it's on a decomissioned CVPI it's a simple answer - came with the car. Or are they all removed like the lights/sirens before sale?

Or just tell them you love the Dukes of Hazzard. :lol:

[Badger]

Had an aluminum Setina PB on my old P74. Had fun with it for a while pissing off a person in another forum that didn't understand that an opinion is just an opinion no matter how many and large formatted his posts were.
Loved watching people try to figure out what car would have a PB and shiny alloy wheels.
It's been gone for two years now.
Had fun with a sawz-all on it. Alexandria dump got a little more aluminum that day.
Incidently I kept the bumper travel limiter in place. I do not like airbags, always wear a seatbelt, and would rather save their deployment for when I really need it.

With the P74 all I had to do was get a new bumper pad trim piece. Never liked the chrome trim anyway. With the MM you're stuck with those two little holes in the bumper I would assume.

I would never do that mod to my MM. It was a phase...I got over it. Now I just accelerate past the ricers and rude drivers. Couldn't do that with the P74.

[GreekGod]

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Ok, I admit it, I am a wanna-be cop-but not like some of you might think. I want a horse named Rex and a faithful dog named Yukon King! I want a revolver on a lanyard and a 30-30 lever action rifle. I want to command "On King, on you Huskies!" I want to say to the bad guy, "I arrest you in the name of the Crown". In the end I want to say "Well King, the case is closed". And my sled would have a push bar on it!

[Dan]

Dan wonders if GreekGod is actually older THAN God. :lol:

[GreekGod]

Well, at least GreekGod wanted a 30-30 lever-action rifle and not a crummy RedRyder BB-gun.

[Badger]

Duddly do-right?? :D

[BigMerc]

anyone who wants to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop car bears considerable watching.


too many guys out there wannabe a cop, its a scary thing and the pyschological make up of such a person is something to be wary of.


someone recently posted an Ebay item of a fake dash cam for sale.....i'm betting thats next.

[Dan]

Well, at least GreekGod wanted a 30-30 lever-action rifle and not a crummy RedRyder BB-gun.

Huh? Suddenly I feel the need for a secret decoder ring.

I couldn't find one under my Glock 23C so please, translate 4 me. :)

Thanks,

Dan

[Dan]

anyone who wants to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop car bears considerable watching.
.

Dude,

Plese, read the entire thread (yes, more than one page worth, God forbid) prior to making duma$$ statements like this one.

No one here is talking about "wanting to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop.

Best,

Dan

[ultravorx]

anyone who wants to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop car bears considerable watching.


Be on the lookout then :hmmm:
LOL, i didnt realize this would spark so much controversy :eek:

[Rider90]

I didn't bother reading any of the other pages, in fact I only skimmed through half of page one.

But I like it. Its your car, screw the rest, its your car. Congrats.

[Dan]

Be on the lookout then :hmmm:
LOL, i didnt realize this would spark so much controversy :eek:
LOL

Frank, mah Bruthah,

If I see you in my rear view I will certainly get out of your way. :up:

Best,

Dan

[RCSignals]

Dude,

Plese, read the entire thread (yes, more than one page worth, God forbid) prior to making duma$$ statements like this one.

No one here is talking about "wanting to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop.

Best,

Dan


Learn to read between the lines then. The thread is all about ""wanting to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop."

Nothing more, nothing less. Big Merc knows this, and so does everyone else reading this thread, even if they don't want to admit it.

[RCSignals]

Be on the lookout then :hmmm:
LOL, i didnt realize this would spark so much controversy :eek:

Right, sure.
:rolleyes:

[Rider90]

Learn to read between the lines then. The thread is all about ""wanting to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop."

Nothing more, nothing less. Big Merc knows this, and so does everyone else reading this thread, even if they don't want to admit it.
I like the look for it's attitude, not because I'm trying hard to associate it to a copped-out CVPI. I've always been one to admit when I'm wrong, and admit my true feelings about anything. If I felt as strong as you, RCSignals, I'd be in your boat calling this guy a wannabe too. But I digress, when I look at the pictures I see a Marauder staring back at me with steel teeth giving a statement of attitude. I guess only a few see what I see.

I can only speak for one person, myself, when I say that when I look at Wesman's car or this dude's car I get the idea of "Don't ***** with me." It is a strong statement, the pushbar that is. LEOs have them for many reasons, does that make the push bar an officer only item? Is the dude in the white expedition with a bull bar trying to look like a cop too? This thread is not all about wanting to look like a cop, we all know this can be done for a fraction of what this guy has spent and he could pull it off much better.

We could sit here in front of our computers and point the finger at this guy and call him an impersonator, I'm sorry, but where are the lights? Where is that dash cam that is probably next, right? Lets point a finger when he gets the divider and fancys a pair of cuffs off his mirror, or how about when he mounts a 100w speaker to the bars, K? I'm only trying to be fair.

[RCSignals]

I like the look for it's attitude, not because I'm trying hard to associate it to a copped-out CVPI. I've always been one to admit when I'm wrong, and admit my true feelings about anything. If I felt as strong as you, RCSignals, I'd be in your boat calling this guy a wannabe too. But I digress, when I look at the pictures I see a Marauder staring back at me with steel teeth giving a statement of attitude. I guess only a few see what I see.

I can only speak for one person, myself, when I say that when I look at Wesman's car or this dude's car I get the idea of "Don't ***** with me." It is a strong statement, the pushbar that is. LEOs have them for many reasons, does that make the push bar an officer only item? Is the dude in the white expedition with a bull bar trying to look like a cop too? This thread is not all about wanting to look like a cop, we all know this can be done for a fraction of what this guy has spent and he could pull it off much better.

We could sit here in front of our computers and point the finger at this guy and call him an impersonator, I'm sorry, but where are the lights? Where is that dash cam that is probably next, right? Lets point a finger when he gets the divider and fancys a pair of cuffs off his mirror, or how about when he mounts a 100w speaker to the bars, K? I'm only trying to be fair.


Keep convincing yourself.
Police vehicles have push bars for one reason, and it isn't to 'look tough',
It's not to prevent scratches or dings in the bumper.
Some taxis use the same push bar, front and rear. There isn't too much more utilitarian than a Taxi.
A brush guard on a SUV or truck is a whole different matter. No one with one on their SUV or truck is after a 'Crown Vic effect'

Anyway, as I said before, the so called 'CVE' is a myth. It's of Walter Mitty.

Know who he is?

[Rider90]

Keep convincing yourself.
10-4, Thanks!

[BillyGman]

Be on the lookout then :hmmm:
LOL, I didnt realize this would spark so much controversy :eek:Frank, thanks for being a good sport, and for not taking offense to my comments. Atleast I hope that you haven't. Like I said, it's perfectly fine to have your own tastes as all of us do. I just don't share them with you when it comes to this mod, and I wanted to explain why (which I did). Just another veiwpoint. That's all. I hope there's no hard feelings. Nothing wrong with a good spirited exchange or debate now and then. I often do the same with my close friends and my co-workers too. And even when we don't agree, we still work together well.

[BillyGman]

Learn to read between the lines then. The thread is all about ""wanting to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop."

Nothing more, nothing less. Big Merc knows this, and so does everyone else reading this thread, even if they don't want to admit it. I gotta go along with RC on this^

[Badger]

Wow. A bunch of opinionated people on an internet forum. I never saw that!
:D :D

[BigMerc]

You can tell me you look at the picture provided of this vehicle, DUDE...... and not see whats going on? If you cannot, that is something that is a problem on your part. and speaking of dumba$$ statements.................... .


No one here is talking about "wanting to look like a cop or have their car look like a cop.

Best,

Dan :shake: :shake: :shake:

[ultravorx]

Frank, thanks for being a good sport, and for not taking offense to my comments. Atleast I hope that you haven't. Like I said, it's perfectly fine to have your own tastes as all of us do. I just don't share them with you when it comes to this mod, and I wanted to explain why (which I did). Just another veiwpoint. That's all. I hope there's no hard feelings. Nothing wrong with a good spirited exchange or debate now and then. I often do the same with my close friends and my co-workers too. And even when we don't agree, we still work together well.

Im taking this all in good stride Billy, i know everyone has his/her own opinion and such.
For instance, i dont like beer, but talking to certain people, i'd be condemed for not liking it.
It just goes to show that internet forums are a powerful tool and can really voice opinions!

Maybe now i WILL get the tear drop and fake video camera, just to add to the debate :P
JUst kidding, i got the bar for the reason i stated, and thats that. SOme will like it, some wont. To each his own. :beer:
Frank

[GreekGod]

Rear bars on a taxi? Hey, now yer talkin! Thats the look I want-a black sedan chick-magnet taxi! I've never seen a taxi with front or rear bars. Can anyone post photos of that look? If I can look like a rugged outdoorsman Royal Canadian Mountie driving a fancy black taxi with front and rear 'bars' towing a sleddog trailer with my trusty dog Yukon King next to me the women would be begging me for a ride! The red jacket uniform would really be the coup de gras! See, I can even talk a little French Canadian to the ladies, eh? Maybe I better lose 100 lbs. (45 kilos?) to look good in that red jacket.

[Dan]

Wow. A bunch of opinionated people on an internet forum. I never saw that!
:D :D

Buahahahahahaaaaa.

Too funny.

Best,

Dan

(Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, MUSHROOM, MUSHROOM)

[oldekid]

Screw everyone Frank! It's your car, you're paying for it and you are entitled to make it look however you wish, for what ever reason.

If it is all about wanting to look like a cop car, then we are all guilty of investing in that concept simply because we all bought one. . . . and, so what?

Now we are all struggling to out do each other with modifications that are similar (I'm guilty too), with the result being, that they all STILL LOOK ALIKE! I just don't see that much creativity around here, and when I do, I personally enjoy it.

You and Wesman deserve credit. . . . not criticism.

[Dan]

Screw everyone Frank!

Wow! That would be a lot of screwing, I think. :lol:

[rocknrod]

Screw everyone Frank! ......Na, just screw one of em at a time.

[Bob Thornton]

The real reason (my opinion) is that you want your car to look like a cop car. I think the Marauder front end is awesome and this bar takes away from that great look. Just my opinion.:coolman:

RangerBob
'03 300A

[Dan]

Hey, how come no one is suspecting that he wants his car to look like a taxi? :)

[Dan]

Great taste! ....



:)

[juno]

I have alway's liked the CV's.

I don't do FWD, (never have, never will, if I can help it)

RWD and body on frame, what are youir choices?

I wanted something tried and true, as a million taxi's and LEO cars have proven.

And I wanted a FORD.

My nephew is with NH State Police and I asked him how they liked the CV's, "we may go 0-100 15 times a day, what else do you need to know"

So I went up another notch (or three :) and got the MM.

Dude, nice job on the Bar. If it helps people get the frig out of the left lane, I am all for it.

My excuse is going to be that I need a place to mount my winch, ...or my wench... or both. :banana:

[Breadfan]

For what it's worth, cops in my area do not have pushbars. Haven't seen on in YEARS. So a pushbar on a Marauder here makes you looks like LESS of a cop. Anyway, we look like the undercover boys, they rarely have bars.


I still say I like the look, just not sure if I can commit to it, but on a CV I'd have a much easier time.

[twolow]

Rear bars on a taxi? Hey, now yer talkin! Thats the look I want-a black sedan chick-magnet taxi! I've never seen a taxi with front or rear bars. Can anyone post photos of that look?here you go:


http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/634/moblog_d14e49aaaee11.jpg



http://www.refocus-now.com/Stock/Travel/images/America%2C%20American%2C%20USA %2C%20NYC%2C%20New%20York%20Ta xi%20Cab%2C%20Yellow%20Taxi%2C %20P.Cox.jpg

[ckadiddle]

<snip>
My excuse is going to be that I need a place to mount my winch, ...or my wench... or both. :banana:
Heck, I hadn't thought of that! That may push me over the edge toward installing one! :eek:

[Badger]

Less filling! :D

[GreekGod]

Thanks twolow-I needed that. Now I know what I want-front and rear taxi crash bars! Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket! The Rough Rider taxi look! I look more like Teddy Roosevelt than Sgt. Preston and I won't have to lose 45 kilos to fit in the red jacket! Like The Ides of March sang:"I'm the friendly stranger in the black sedan, won't you step inside my car? I've got peaches, got candy I'm a loveable man, I'd like to take you to the nearest star. I'm your vehicle babe, I'll take you anywhere you want to go, I'm your vehicle babe, so by now I'm sure you know...." What? You guys don't remember 'The Ides of March' and their song 'Vehicle'? Hopefully BigMerc and others won't fear me for trying to look like a cop if I go for the taxi look. But now they'll accuse me of trying to imitate Robert Deniro with a 'Travis Bickle' look. Oh well, I always did want to get a Mohawk haircut, and if I looked 'psycho' enough no one would try to car-jack me!

[Hotrauder]

Hey guys, i finally got my push bar installed.

Its the setina pb400 with the heavy duty kit.
www.setina.com (http://www.setina.com/) cost was $180

I was going to get the quick install kit, but i found 2 things i didnt like about it.

1) If the push bar is used, or your in a small accident, it can "crack the fiberglass frame" of the car, possibly even puncturing your radiator!!

2) the brackets that hold it on rest on the top of the bumper, and over time it can/will wear the paint away.

The brackets i got bolt right to the metal bumper. For the lower brackets, there are "struts" that bolt to the radiator bolts for extra stability (see pic) and the top ones aslo bolt right to the metal bumper.

I did have to cut to small notches for the upper bracket in the bumber, but it is hardely noticable. And these brackets can take much more abuse. If you lift on the bar, the front end of the car rises, its very solid.

The looks are awesome, see for your self...
FrankUltravorx

Nice illustrative pictures of a very neat installation, well done. If the left lane bandits move over, they had room to move over and should have already! Right on. I won't install one on my car but if you give me a heads-up when traveling I will be very happy to follow in your wake down the open LEFT LANE.:burnout:

[jgc61sr2002]

The real reason (my opinion) is that you want your car to look like a cop car. I think the Marauder front end is awesome and this bar takes away from that great look. Just my opinion.:coolman:

RangerBob
'03 300A



Bob - Welcome to the MM site. :D :welcome:

[RCSignals]

Rear bars on a taxi? Hey, now yer talkin! Thats the look I want-a black sedan chick-magnet taxi! I've never seen a taxi with front or rear bars. Can anyone post photos of that look? If I can look like a rugged outdoorsman Royal Canadian Mountie driving a fancy black taxi with front and rear 'bars' towing a sleddog trailer with my trusty dog Yukon King next to me the women would be begging me for a ride! The red jacket uniform would really be the coup de gras! See, I can even talk a little French Canadian to the ladies, eh? Maybe I better lose 100 lbs. (45 kilos?) to look good in that red jacket.

Your big letter style reminds me of another infamous poster.

To look like a rugged outdoorsman Royal Canadian Mountie you'd have to be riding a fancy black horse instead.

Unless it's a recent thing. I've not seen a RCMP car with any pushbars, front or rear. Too bad they abandoned their patented blue and went to boring white.

[Embassy]

It is not something I would ever do to my Vic; however, to each their own.

[Hack Goby]

It is not something I would ever do to my Vic; however, to each their own.
Your Crown Vic is one of the nicest around.Nice to see you posting over here.Rider90 and myself have made the jump to our Merc`s could you be next?

[merc6]

I like the hell out of it and I can see what others may think about it. I always had a hard on for PIs and after searching for them I came across the MM siting next to one! It's not like he has the full out bar on his car with fog lights mounted on them to abuse CVE to the fullest. Last I checked the MM has the PI rear end with the exception of the badge, bumper indentation, and duals. I never had the CVE untill I was in San Antonio and everyone I got behind put their seat belt on and moved over. The fact I hate is it takes a damn MM or CVE for the assclown doing 50 in a 75 on their cell phone. As much as people say they wish to not have the CVE or of it's existance It must exist if we kept bring it up in like 10% of the sites post. I am not flaming anyone but saying not evryone is out there to try and pull people over or run code 3 to taco bell just for S&G. I would get the bar too if I felt it would keep people from cutting my 2 ton car off while in motion. I had 3 cars and so far I had 2 of them hit. As others stated I think it's badas and gives the car an agressive look. To each it's own!

In shorter terms I like the mod , may possibly look into it later down the road, and sorry to those I may have offended. Have a nice day!

[salem7]

Any Issues during the instillation?

[justbob]

Seven year old thread alert! And why in world would anyone do this?


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[Krytin]

I never read it the first time - still LOL!!

[Mac-MerC]

Now we are all struggling to out do each other with modifications that are similar (I'm guilty too), with the result being, that they all STILL LOOK ALIKE! I just don't see that much creativity around here, and when I do, I personally enjoy it.

Might be an old thread but it was a good read.
I like the look of the push bar

[CWright]

Might be an old thread but it was a good read.
I like the look of the push bar


If have one of those off my old CV if you want it. :D

[Mac-MerC]

If have one of those off my old CV if you want it. :D

........ ah ha... yeaahhhh... ummmm lol
u gonna install it also?.... u can put it on at this months breakfast :D

[sailsmen]

The Ultimate Push Bar for my Marauder and comes in the right color.
:) http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/300px-Dozer_Blade.jpg (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21921)

[RF Overlord]

You owe me a new keyboard and monitor!

Some PLEASE photoshop that pushbar onto a Marauder...that would be so awesome.

[CWright]

........ ah ha... yeaahhhh... ummmm lol
u gonna install it also?.... u can put it on at this months breakfast :D


Piece of cake! :D

[vtwoodsman]

Hmmmmmm...now ya got me thinking about some of those James Bond 30mm machine guns, maybe hidden behind the CiBie's, then pop-out for action !!! Yeah......that would be like....cool !!

[SC Cheesehead]

Hmmmmmm...now ya got me thinking about some of those James Bond 30mm machine guns, maybe hidden behind the CiBie's, then pop-out for action !!! Yeah......that would be like....cool !!


That's the ticket! :D

[Beaker]

I know this is an old thread, but recent incidents have me investigating various options. First, the background story and fair warning to all who have a Grand Marquis or Crown Vic over 10 years old. I have a 2008 Grand Marquis. I live in an area heavily populated with deer and hit one three months ago. It was about a 20 mph impact and did $3200 in damage. I used to have a 2003 Crown Vic with a push guard. Hit a deer with that one and received zero damage. One month ago, a young girl ran a red light and totaled the Crown. I'm still dealing with the insurance company, but the book value they go by is $2500. That's total value. They total a car out at ~60-70% of overall value. Hitting a deer would have totaled it. I did replace the Crown with another 2008 Merc with 28000 miles. Very lucky to find this deal. However, in about 3 more years, the book value will be so low another deer hit will total it out so I'm looking at push guard options. Now, to the point.

My question is for those who have installed a push guard on their Merc. Did the kit for a Crown Vic fit with no modifications? If there were mods, what were they and how much cost did it add? I'm pretty sure it would fit, but would like to hear from those with personal experience. Please, no haters who say I'm just a cop wannabe. I just don't want to lose another car and get screwed over by the insurance company. Thanks.

[RF Overlord]

Not too many Marauder owners have installed push-bars. Might want to try over at CVN.

[babbage]

you want something like this:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/technoweenie/cimg00872.jpg

Yes from CVN.

[88CuttyClassic]

i wish i never clicked on this thread but curiosity got the best of me. The mod by itself is bad enough but the amount of people that thought it looked good on a MM is downright frightening!! totally kills the look of the Marauder. i have a hard enough time having the front plate holder on it.

[RF Overlord]

totally kills the look of the Marauder. Yeah, but I like the pic babbage posted. Would make a good Zombie Response Unit.

[Joe Walsh]

WOW!

Who dug up this dead thread?....again!

Looks HORRIBLE on a Marauder.

(and adds 100+ Lbs wayyyyyy out on the front end.)

What's next..... a trunk mounted luggage rack?

:hmmm:......Maybe they make push bars for Ford GTs.....:hmmm:

[Embassy]

No.

Just....no.

[Beaker]

Wow. Exactly what I didn't ask for. Mods can go ahead and delete my account. There is absolutely no point if people are just going to bash and spout personal opinions without even reading my post.

[junior]

Wow. Exactly what I didn't ask for. Mods can go ahead and delete my account. There is absolutely no point if people are just going to bash and spout personal opinions without even reading my post.


If you knew this would happen, why post? :violin:

[MOTOWN]

Wow. Exactly what I didn't ask for. Mods can go ahead and delete my account. There is absolutely no point if people are just going to bash and spout personal opinions without even reading my post.

Don't let the door knob hit you!

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

I know this is an old thread, but recent incidents have me investigating various options. First, the background story and fair warning to all who have a Grand Marquis or Crown Vic over 10 years old. I have a 2008 Grand Marquis. I live in an area heavily populated with deer and hit one three months ago. It was about a 20 mph impact and did $3200 in damage. I used to have a 2003 Crown Vic with a push guard. Hit a deer with that one and received zero damage. One month ago, a young girl ran a red light and totaled the Crown. I'm still dealing with the insurance company, but the book value they go by is $2500. That's total value. They total a car out at ~60-70% of overall value. Hitting a deer would have totaled it. I did replace the Crown with another 2008 Merc with 28000 miles. Very lucky to find this deal. However, in about 3 more years, the book value will be so low another deer hit will total it out so I'm looking at push guard options. Now, to the point.

My question is for those who have installed a push guard on their Merc. Did the kit for a Crown Vic fit with no modifications? If there were mods, what were they and how much cost did it add? I'm pretty sure it would fit, but would like to hear from those with personal experience. Please, no haters who say I'm just a cop wannabe. I just don't want to lose another car and get screwed over by the insurance company. Thanks.

First of all, if you're getting screwed over by the insurance company, you need a new insurance company.

Second, most of these pushbars require cutting the front bumper, regardless if crown vic or not.

Third, if you get into a more serious accident, the frame may bend from the bar, causing the car to be totaled instead of just swapping front end parts.

If you can't stop hitting deer, get better headlamps, some HID projector retrofits to help you see the sides of the road better, or just plain drive slower in deer prone areas.

It's ultimately up to you obviously, but I think looks hideous and irreversible. Not to mention adds another 150 lbs of weight to an already pig of a car.

[justbob]

Bye bye now!


Builder Of Badassery

[CWright]

I had one on a crown Vic at one time and it does require cutting into the bumper to mount it. I still have it with all the mounting hardware if you're interested. Pay the shipping and it's yours.

[fastblackmerc]

First of all, if you're getting screwed over by the insurance company, you need a new insurance company.

Second, most of these pushbars require cutting the front bumper, regardless if crown vic or not.

Third, if you get into a more serious accident, the frame may bend from the bar, causing the car to be totaled instead of just swapping front end parts.

If you can't stop hitting deer, get better headlamps, some HID projector retrofits to help you see the sides of the road better, or just plain drive slower in deer prone areas.

It's ultimately up to you obviously, but I think looks hideous and irreversible. Not to mention adds another 150 lbs of weight to an already pig of a car.
Well said!!!!

[chief455]

I have a 2008 Grand Marquis.

My question is for those who have installed a push guard on their Merc. Did the kit for a Crown Vic fit with no modifications? If there were mods, what were they and how much cost did it add? I'm pretty sure it would fit, but would like to hear from those with personal experience. Please, no haters who say I'm just a cop wannabe. I just don't want to lose another car and get screwed over by the insurance company. Thanks.
We mostly have Marauders here, but the CV and GM front bumpers are virtually the same, and as mentioned, require cutting to install any push bar.

If the flood of negativity turns you off, this may not be the forum for your GM questions, though many, many members will reply with info, not opinions. Or simplify the question " I have a 2008 Grand Marquis and wondered if anyone has experience installing a front push bar?"

You would get much better replies with a clear, simple question.

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First of all, if you're getting screwed over by the insurance company, you need a new insurance company.

How do you know what his CV is worth?

Second, most of these pushbars require cutting the front bumper, regardless if crown vic or not.

Third, if you get into a more serious accident, the frame may bend from the bar, causing the car to be totaled instead of just swapping front end parts.

"May"

If you can't stop hitting deer, get better headlamps, some HID projector retrofits to help you see the sides of the road better, or just plain drive slower in deer prone areas.

I suspect you have never lived in a deer infested area. I am in Kent County, Michigan, the #1 county for car-deer accidents in the whole state. I do drive slower in rural areas (at night), but that won't help if a deer decides to run into the side of your vehicle, and you never even see it coming.

It's ultimately up to you obviously, but I think looks hideous and irreversible. Not to mention adds another 150 lbs of weight to an already pig of a car.

My 2000 CHP CVPI has the original aluminum push bar on it. It doesn't weigh #150