Shootout--Me vs GTO [Archive] - MercuryMarauder.net Forums

Smokie

11-07-2005, 10:19 AM

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/2/4/8/Shootout2005033Large.jpg

Had no idea they were this fast, he almost whopped me....is that what they do stock???? GTO 5.7 liter.

HwyCruiser

11-07-2005, 11:17 AM

There were about three GTO's at KCIR yesterday that were all running in the 13.7 - 13.8's so that doesn't sound too far off.

Smokie

11-07-2005, 12:00 PM

In that case, when they do mods is all over for me.:eek:

MarauderTJA

11-07-2005, 12:01 PM

Yeah Smokie, but you did "Smoke" him..:D

shakes_26

11-07-2005, 12:11 PM

I ran against one in the brackets, he dialed a 13.4 and ran a 13.41, hence my elimination from the brackets... I ran a 12.7 that run...

Smokie

11-07-2005, 12:17 PM

Yeah Smokie, but you did "Smoke" him..:D

That's right tomorrow is another day:lol: Tom if I already have not done so at least 5 times, let me say again thank you for the shirts you gave us, not only did they looked great, they also brought us together as a group. THE MARAUDER GROUP.

An again congratulations on your fine performance in going deep in to the brackets...your car was flawless.:)

MarauderTJA

11-07-2005, 12:43 PM

That's right tomorrow is another day:lol: Tom if I already have not done so at least 5 times, let me say again thank you for the shirts you gave us, not only did they looked great, they also brought us together as a group. THE MARAUDER GROUP.

An again congratulations on your fine performance in going deep in to the brackets...your car was flawless.:)

Thanks Smokie, it was my pleasure to contribute to our Marauder group representation. :beer: I will have to get some more printed for our next group event.

Marauderman

11-07-2005, 01:12 PM

Thanks Smokie, it was my pleasure to contribute to our Marauder group representation. :beer: I will have to get some more printed for our next group event.
Not to steal the thread--but I too want to say Thanks for your generosity in those shirts--really kept us all identified as a Marauder Group

WE'll all have to wear them again next time------Tom

usafsniper

11-07-2005, 01:13 PM

In that case, when they do mods is all over for me.:eek:

Luckly, not many mods are available...yet. One of my best friends has an 05 GTO and his major complaint is how nothing is out there for them other than cosmetics. More trouble exists because of the Australian hybid that it is and most things for it come from down under.

Big House

11-07-2005, 02:05 PM

I think you are comparing apples to oranges. WE have full size 4 door sedans...they have vette powered coupes...not to mention a 1.1 liter advantage and less weight. I would logically think he would take you because of that. What I would smile about the the fact that he just ran a 4 door sedan and lost.

Eric91Z

11-07-2005, 02:37 PM

Luckly, not many mods are available...yet. One of my best friends has an 05 GTO and his major complaint is how nothing is out there for them other than cosmetics. More trouble exists because of the Australian hybid that it is and most things for it come from down under.

Suprised he can't find anything. Aside from the external bolt-ons, all internal parts are the same as their Corvette counter-part. There is at least 1 '04 GTO with the LS1 running around here with AFR heads, headers, cold air intake, cam, etc. And the '05 LS2 already has, I believe, cam, headers, exhaust, cold air intake, etc.

But they still look like an over grown Jelly Bean to me...;)

Vortex

11-07-2005, 03:14 PM

I had on 04 GTO 6 speed manual before my MM and though Im happier with my MM overall, I think the stock GTO could have blown the stock 04 MM in the weeds over a quarter mile. They are even quicker with the 400 hp they went to in 05.

Black Terror

11-07-2005, 03:18 PM

Smokie,
That was a 2006 GTO, 400 HP, 6.0 L. Nothing to be ashamed of from a car with 281 CI, approx 400 HP.
You did good all day.

Smokie

11-07-2005, 03:26 PM

Smokie,
That was a 2006 GTO, 400 HP, 400 CI. Nothing to be ashamed of from a car with 281 CI, approx 400 HP.
You did good all day.

Thanks Bill, we did pretty good at the Cracker Barrel didn't we????:beer:

LiLWrink

11-07-2005, 06:54 PM

Big House

11-07-2005, 07:31 PM

Brother Shane,

How goes it in Texas? I was just reading through and that little spot light caught my eye. BTW....the GTO is a Pontiac right...that to me is synomious with DODGE. Wouldn't give it a look...even if they gave me a picture...just my opinion though.

Always East

Vortex

11-07-2005, 07:35 PM

I am a BIG guy...6'2"@350LBS.

I would have looked at a GTO closer, had I been able to fit into it!:bs: :censor: and just like Vettes, I consider them to be "pretty boy" cars. That is Not a compliment where I come from.:down:

To me they seemed smaller than the Mini I test drove last summer!
I thought the mini's were cool.
With the 'Rauder, it's like sitting in your easy chair-streched out, and kicked back...just my nickel's worth.

It was kinda cozy inside but I fit in it, it was just there was no easy way for anybody to get into the back seat and the trunk was the size of my trunk organizer in my MM. Ill give up a little power for alot more practicality.

gpfarrell

11-07-2005, 08:13 PM

I don't think the '05 GTO's are 400 cid.

I drove an '04... my cousins car... it had an automatic and some kinda hoopercharger under the hood... turn of the traction control and it spun 'em all the way through first and almost all the way through 2nd before I let out because we were gettin' to slideways.

The kit with installation was about $8k.

mrjones

11-07-2005, 08:22 PM

There was one at my local track back in April, and 04 model. Didn't look anything other than stock, and it wasn't loud. I'm sure he'd done some work to it, because his last pass of the night was an 11.50. Since that night, I quit looking to find him on the street. At least, not when we were going the same direction!

bigslim

11-07-2005, 10:19 PM

There are a couple of guys I hang with that have done mods to their GTOs. One has a cam and headers. The other one has a Procharger on it. I have seen GTO's run anywhere from a 15.1 to a 9.87. There are more mods then you may think for these cars. Visit their forums: http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/

JMan

11-08-2005, 02:30 AM

I got the pleasure of getting spanked by an '05 6.0l 6sp. at the TnT in Bradenton when we were there two weeks ago. He beat me so bad I could read his time on the board before I finished. 13.54 - It's etched in my brain!
As far as I could tell, he only used two gears to run the track. Of course I was two seconds behind him, he may have shifted it near the end but I was so far back . . . I wonder what kind of top end those things will do?

Smokie

11-08-2005, 05:10 AM

TooManyFords

11-08-2005, 05:16 AM

Not to steal the thread--but I too want to say Thanks for your generosity in those shirts--really kept us all identified as a Marauder Group

WE'll all have to wear them again next time------Tom

Boy, I hope I qualify for an "honorary shirt" for -trying- to make it!

;)

John

BlackHole

11-08-2005, 06:04 AM

BlackHole

11-08-2005, 06:06 AM

And just some of the Ford weapons used in Downunder and they have no plans or vision to import

fpv.com.au

RR|Suki

11-08-2005, 07:57 AM

And just some of the Ford weapons used in Downunder and they have no plans or vision to import

fpv.com.au lol they are gettin cars between 370 and 400 hp... 370 in the 4L 6cl. and 400 in the 5.4L v8... what would of been wrong with a 400hp n/a mustang? or heck that motor in the MM!!!... I have always thought though that they kinda nerf the cars over here anyway, and leave it up to us to make them what they should of been... I'll hope to see what a 5.1L will do to a MM once I get the new motor broke in....

BISHOPSS95

11-08-2005, 07:57 AM

All I know about the car is that is sneaky quick off the line, it is very, very small next to my car....personally I don't believe they weigh the 3800 lbs minimum at the shootout.....but neither did some of the Lincolns and Chevys that ran. I can say this for a fact: the Marauder is a true 2 ton car.....:D

My car and driver at the scale at the track: 4400 lbs.

We had them on the scale at 3850 with a very full tank of gas.

That Mark 6 would have been running in the low 9's had the equalizer not been in effect. As it was it made the racing much closer.

b4z

11-08-2005, 04:06 PM

I've got a '04 GTO with the M6, 5.7L LS1.
The Ls1 pulls like crazy on the top end.
I guess it breaths better than the 4.6L Ford.
The top of 3rd and going into 4th are a blast.
Raced several Mustang GTs and they will hang up to around 50mph
then it just slowly walks away at the top of each gear.
I can bark 4th at 90-100mph.

The other thing about the Ls1 and LS2 is that they pick up
hp as you rack up miles just like the Mod motor.
There is extra hp around 1500 miles and again at 5000 miles.

The GTO comes with crap tires from the factory.
I changed to BFG KDWs and have much more grip off the line and in corners.
I can get a really strong launch now.

GTOs can have wheelhop but not like the CTS-V.
I have gotten wheelhop on the 1-2 shift.
Lastly the GTO has the M12 version of the 6 speed.
Same as last year's Z06 and the CTs-V so the gears are
close ratio.

Smokie

11-08-2005, 06:17 PM

I've got a '04 GTO with the M6, 5.7L LS1.
The Ls1 pulls like crazy on the top end.
I guess it breaths better than the 4.6L Ford.

I don't really know much about the GTO. Speaking from my personal experience of about 100 timeslips, if at the 1/8 I am even with the car I am racing; I have never lost.

Nothing I have ever raced against has outpulled my car after the 1/8 mile.....I think my car breathes pretty good.

TripleTransAm

11-09-2005, 10:24 AM

Nothing I have ever raced against has outpulled my car after the 1/8 mile.....I think my car breathes pretty good.

As an owner of both a 4.6 DOHC and an early LS1, I have to agree that they at least pull similarly. And my stock 4.6l is no slouch (I don't believe I've seen any bone stockers from either 2003 or 2004 post a better set of times than my low 14.6s and best 14.56 time). The later LS1s being improved over my early one, I'd have to say that the later LS1 in general would outpull the 4.6 DOHC. And just as my 4.6l 'aged' into its best performance, my LS1 showed a full 1 second improvement in performance during the first 20000 miles of careful break-in... in general all-around driving, the improvement was more dramatic and noticeable than it was with my Marauder.

And if you can't pull 400 hp out of an LS1 with a few simple cheap mods, you're just not trying.

The new LS2 (2005 and later) is a 364 cubic inch (~6.0 liter) block which is an entirely new casting with provisions for cylinder deactivation (the technique uses new oil passages, although I don't know if it's actually been implemented yet). Apparently there are enough differences between the two motors that they call them "Gen IV" motors instead of "Gen III" for the LS1s. Whatever. From the outside, I can't really see a big difference in the look. Anyway, it's 400 hp nowadays with improved fuel economy over the LS1s. :eek: 400 net freaking hp from an ultra fuel efficient motor with ULEV qualifications. Anyone who speaks out against modern computer controlled engines needs their heads examined!!! :rasta:

prchrman

11-09-2005, 11:08 AM

Just went to lunch with a salesman driving a GTO/6 speed...front seat was comfy but my head rubbed the ceiling...guy was sitting behind me so I was crunched...thing pulled like crazy and the guy never really got on the gas...did not know the block and heads were aluminum until he opened the hood...where do they get 3800 lbs. from in this small platform?...go fast yes...get in and out of, no...mid to long range trips, no way dude...willie

RCSignals

11-09-2005, 10:53 PM

....................... 400 net freaking hp from an ultra fuel efficient motor with ULEV qualifications. Anyone who speaks out against modern computer controlled engines needs their heads examined!!! :rasta:

That's for sure, it's not just about displacement anymore.
Just look how well the little 4.6 Mod moter does against larger displacement from the other guys.

Our engines are ULEV as well.

Imagine if there was a 6.0 l Mod motor, (and not a V10 either).................I think it's base would be greater than 400 hp

TripleTransAm

11-10-2005, 02:10 PM

Imagine if there was a 6.0 l Mod motor, (and not a V10 either).................I think it's base would be greater than 400 hp

Impossible to know for sure without trying, but for what it's worth I strongly doubt it would be feasible. As it is, the fuel consumption of this motor at idle is passable at best, and it really shines only when it's breathing hard (either at high RPM N/A or when blown). I suspect the sheer size and complexity of the valvetrain is working against efficiency at low RPMs (and I wonder if this is the reason why they chose such a ridiculously low idle speed for this motor on the Marauder). So attempting to boost base levels of power by resorting to huge cubic inches might make better use of the breathing capabilities at lower RPM but would hurt the idle fuel consumption even further.

It's the only reason I can come up with to explain the difference in fuel consumption between an idling 346 cubic inch LS1 and an idling 281 cubic inch DOHC. In this case, vehicle weight has no bearing on the issue.

When moving, the 4.6l appears to hold its own quite well in fuel consumption considering the heft it has to push around. Very well indeed. But the complexity of its valve train and low RPM inefficiency no doubt are contributing factors to why Ford never opted for a displacement increase on the passenger car versions of the mod motor.