look out for these in your rear view mirror

[Geo]

http://www.ryanpatrickdean.com/ChargerPolice.html

[MarauderMark]

:director: <~~Hey Ford , WAKE UP!!!:D

[melfunkshun]

Those wheels would be a really cool winter tire/rim setup for our Marauders

[CRUZTAKER]

Steelies and all...:coolman:

[melfunkshun]

I also compared the 225/60R18's on that Charger police car to our 245/55R18's on a tire calculator and they're almost identical in size

[SergntMac]

"Yes, Virginia...Life is often black and white. There is no Santa Clause, and you were 20 over t5he posted limit. Visa, or, MasterCard?"

[Geo]

Here's some more data on the Charger AHB:

http://www.allpar.com/squads/police-cars/charger.html

[Marauder386]

Oh my gawd ... FOMOCO better wake up ... work would be sweeeet for me from that office ! Had a giggle when I saw the "Car 54" on the production car ... " Car 54, where are you ? "

:coolman:

[FastMerc]

Cool cars but I do remember reading an article that there was a problem with intereior space when a patrolman in full gear and all the police equipment was loaded in,had problems getting in and out.So there for a lot of departments were not going to use them?

[Vortex]

Performance is very important but you notice they dont advertize interior dimensions or trunk capacity. The Mopars are not wide cars. Im sure they will sell some but as it is now, I dont see them catching up with the CVPI anytime soon. Ford could do with a few performance mods though.

[RCSignals]

Visibility is also a problem. A problem of all the new cars from DCX, Charger, 300, and magnum.

I'm still waiting to see the flood of Magnum Police vehicles on the road that were supposed to 'kill' the CVPI.

I think the 300 would be a better Police car than the Charger, but I'm sure DCX knows that would 'degrade' the 300s status.

I wonder if there will be a Charger Taxi too?

[MNMarauder]

Have to remember a lot of cities have ford trained mechanics some just are too lazy to retrain their guys to work on different cars or can't afford to. crown vics already go hella fast...once you get past 120 cities have to worry about justifying why their officers are going that fast anyway. Any speed difference i highly doubt will be a deciding factor.

just my humble opinion.

[GreekGod]

This is an interesting site to read about police car comparisons:
http://www.allpar.com/squads/police-cars/charger.html Anyone know of a comparable site for Ford cars?

[wsmylie]

Like em or not, it sure is good to see a "real" patrol car from mopar again. I believe lack of a traditional, lockable trunk is a major reason why the Magnum hasn't really caught-on as an everyday-use squad.

[SergntMac]

Like em or not, it sure is good to see a "real" patrol car from mopar again. I believe lack of a traditional, lockable trunk is a major reason why the Magnum hasn't really caught-on as an everyday-use squad. Ummm...Bill, they don't let us do that anymore. Prisoners have to be transported in a sitting position with proper restraints. Some namby-pamby thingy the NTSB and ACLU cooked up, the good old days are gone, my friend.

[wsmylie]

Heh heh heh....:D
Ummm...Bill, they don't let us do that anymore. Prisoners have to be transported in a sitting position with proper restraints. Some namby-pamby thingy the NTSB and ACLU cooked up, the good old days are gone, my friend.

[Hotrauder]

We haven't seen any yet that I l know of down here. If I had to live in the car 8 hours or more a day and drive the wheels off it in dangerous situations at the drop of a hat I would want the most capable vehicle available. And it wouldn't be bad if the thing was FUN, too! Good for the LEO's and good for Chrylser. At least they are trying to be in the hunt. We won't like this automotive world when the only choice is front wheel drive with a 55 gallon fart can on the back! Dennis:puke:

[Proudcop]

Cooooooooooooool

[RCSignals]

This is an interesting site to read about police car comparisons:
http://www.allpar.com/squads/police-cars/charger.html Anyone know of a comparable site for Ford cars?

That is the most anti Ford site anywhere.

You should look up the MSP tests directly. You will find all the details there, going back years as well.

[Eric91Z]

I also compared the 225/60R18's on that Charger police car to our 245/55R18's on a tire calculator and they're almost identical in size


Yes, and there is actually a review or 2 on the Tire Rack website of 300C owners that have stepped up to the 245/55-18 size on the stock wheels, like the increased performance - but same complaint of wears too quickly, especially in the middle. I just wish more of them would do that to help bring more attention to that tire size and end up with more offerings. I don't understand why it seems to be such an odd size.

[Hack Goby]

Cool cars but I do remember reading an article that there was a problem with interior space when a patrolman in full gear and all the police equipment was loaded in,had problems getting in and out.So there for a lot of departments were not going to use them?
There were a couple of them at the dream cruise with mfg. plates on them.Also if the perp your putting in the back seat is over 6'3" your going to need a shoehorn.

[Marauder2005]

Remember power is NOT every thing. The abuse factor is what really

counts.

[MENINBLK]

There is a very BIG and misleading problem with these offerings...

First the HP/TQ ratings are on a FULLY EMPTY vehicle.
How about FULLY LOADED with Police Equipment ?
I'd like to see how long it takes to go from 0 - 60 once the Police Department
loads all their crap in it.
I's also like top see how long the tranny holds up.


Second, there is a lot less TRUNK ROOM than there is in the Crown Vic.


FORD doesn't have anything to worry about at this point...

[Rider90]

Those rear seats sure look like leather.

[DEFYANT]

Maryland State Police are testing a Charger also. Ford really has nothing to "worry" about, but they should be on notice that the other manuf. are getting serious about police cars. Look for an import police car in the near future.

Cops. Most dont know jack about the car or real performance. All most know is how long it takes to get from 0-60. If I hear about how great a 96 caprice is over an 05 CVPI, I'll :puke:! I know they had great tourqe and were fast. But that was it; it went great straight! The CVPI is so much more of an all around perforance vehicle.

I tell the guys to turn the cruise control off when they are working the car for better performance. Infact, during EVOC, the instructors say tuning off the cruise control is cheating. Must be because there is a difference.
Pics of MSP's new charger:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Defyant/0002charger-vi.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Defyant/0001charger-vi.jpg

[TripleTransAm]

First the HP/TQ ratings are on a FULLY EMPTY vehicle.
How about FULLY LOADED with Police Equipment ?

The same ratings should apply, they are engine-related. But I agree that overall performance may suffer once laden down with additional equipment.

HOWEVER... having driven a dual exhausted CV (not a CVPI) a few years ago and comparing it to Marauder acceleration, and hearing about how much quicker a Hemi is off the line stock-for-stock... unless Ford is planning a supercharged SOHC PI sometime soon, with both cars laden with equipment, the initially faster vehicle is still going to be faster, no?

[Eric91Z]

I think the Charger could become a little more special niche car like the Camaro and Mustang where. Then again, maybe not. I remember an article in one of the magazines comparing the new Charger to a '69 (I think) and handling was barely better as far as the numbers go, braking was much better obviously.

And as for Cops knowing much about the cars they drive overall, they may not know the numbers, but with the training a lot of them go through, they sure seem to know how to handle them pretty well. I would love to go through one of the LEO driver training schools.

[metroplex]

Look forward to new transmissions every 30,000 miles. Don't bother changing the ATF, it's a "lifetime" fill

[Dave Compson]

Not sure how well it will handle all the stuff we need to put inside. (including bad guys) But, i think it looks really cool, and i think ford needs competition to improve or replace the panther platform. I do miss more than one choice in police cars. I am not counting chevys anymore. (although i may like to drive a tahoe for a shift to see if i like it)

[merc6]

Digging up the Magnum dead after 3 miles thread* ;)
Thread dissapeared from the database of that forum :(

[wsmylie]

A lot of the durability issues will depend on where and how the cars are assigned, like with any make squad. If the cars are "take-homes" (or at least permanently assigned) I'm willing to bet thay will probably hold up pretty well. If the cars are just part of a patrol car pool with everybody and anybody driving them then will probably turn to crapmobiles pretty quick, especially in the larger urban PD's.
And...a bit smaller isn't necessarily all that bad. Have had the opportunity over past 35 years to drive alot of different squads from the "big three" (and even an AMC, ala the Matador). My two favorites performancewise were smaller units; the Mid-seventies Chev Nova sedan (350 4bbl IIRC) and a 1978 Plymouth Volare HD package (360 cube V-8, 15" Goodyear Blue Streaks, gas charged Bilsteins) Both cars were pretty fast but where they really shone was handling... handled/cornered like they were on rails. Although I havn't had the opportunity to drive a new Charger yet, it looks like a trim little package and kinda reminds me of a modern version of the two cars I mentioned. I guess only time will tell though. Just my .02. :D

[GreekGod]

Is the new cop/LEO-Charger unibody? I thought I read it was going to be (separate) frame on body like the CV.

[RCSignals]

.................. If I hear about how great a 96 caprice is over an 05 CVPI, I'll :puke:! I know they had great tourqe and were fast. But that was it; it went great straight! The CVPI is so much more of an all around perforance vehicle.

.........................

True. The performance specs/test results of the 2004 up CVPIs are far better than the old Caprices. Anyone interested can look up the MSP tests.
Prior year CVPIs all outperform the Caprices in handling and road course.

[RCSignals]

...............
HOWEVER... having driven a dual exhausted CV (not a CVPI) a few years ago and comparing it to Marauder acceleration, and hearing about how much quicker a Hemi is off the line stock-for-stock... unless Ford is planning a supercharged SOHC PI sometime soon, with both cars laden with equipment, the initially faster vehicle is still going to be faster, no?

Dual exhaust or not, they still are not the same as the CVPI. The 2004 and newer CVPIs do have higher HP ratings, and it shows in the trials results.

[RCSignals]

I think the Charger could become a little more special niche car like the Camaro and Mustang where. Then again, maybe not. I remember an article in one of the magazines comparing the new Charger to a '69 (I think) and handling was barely better as far as the numbers go, braking was much better obviously.

.......................

I already see '05 Mustangs in Police service. No Chargers, Magnums, or 300s yet.

[RCSignals]

Not sure how well it will handle all the stuff we need to put inside. (including bad guys) But, i think it looks really cool, and i think ford needs competition to improve or replace the panther platform. I do miss more than one choice in police cars. I am not counting chevys anymore. (although i may like to drive a tahoe for a shift to see if i like it)

Ford is the only US manufacturer to have consistently offered a Police service vehicle without a break. They offered Model Ts for Police service, and starting with the Model A offered special equipped Police vehicles (high compression head, high output generator, spot lights, heavier suspension, heavier upholstery materials, etc.)

The 'Police Interceptor' term wasn't introduced until the early 1950s though, and because of that some of the current 'experts' refuse to acknowledge the prior Police offerings.
GM and Chrysler's early offerings (nothing but standard cars until the later fifties) were nothing special other than being marketed as 'Police'
The last Caprices didn't even seem to have different upholstery than the civilian cars.
Everyone likes to remember the Chryslers of the 60s and 70s that were equipped with 440s etc, but the reality is that many city PDs that bought Chrysler products did so because they were sold cheap, and they bought the 6 cylinder cars (many three speed standard shift). (still flat head sixes to early sixties)

[Marauder2005]

[quote=DEFYANT]
:puke:! I know they had great tourqe and were fast. But that was it; it went great straight! The CVPI is so much more of an all around perforance vehicle.

:[quote]

Good point to make, as a matter of fact, the Newton PD (suburb of Boston)

discontinued there Chevy Caprice buying in 1991 due to very poor reliability.

I do not see these Chargers holding up very well. They might hold with the

State Police agencies for high pursuit vehicles (hemi version) but I believe

the Vic will hold ground.

[TripleTransAm]

Dual exhaust or not, they still are not the same as the CVPI. The 2004 and newer CVPIs do have higher HP ratings, and it shows in the trials results.

My point was that the new Hemis seems to be able to do a number on stock Marauders, which themselves are quicker than CVPIs. So add heavy police equipment to both CVPI and the Chryslers, and the Hemis should still be quicker, no? Unless CVPI-specific police equipment is somehow supposed to be lighter?

[jawz101]

1) step out of the office
2) open up the driver's side door
3) take off my gun belt and throw it in the passenger seat. (There's no way I can fit my frame in this car w/ all the gear on)
4) squeeze into the new std. issue Charger/Mustang. I'm 6'1", so my seat is back as far as it goes
5) this chop-top looks great, wish I had a convertible so I could at least see what's around me
6) pull over a crack head, possibly armed
7) where's that gun when I need it?
bam

[RCSignals]

.................... They might hold with the

State Police agencies for high pursuit vehicles (hemi version) but I believe

the Vic will hold ground.


Everyone only talks about the "HEMI", but the base Police package engine offering from DCX is the V6. There is a extra cost premium plus gas guzzler tax for the HEMI. I wonder how many City/State buying agencies will cough up the extra $?

[jawz101]

... The boy said Hemi (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22460&highlight=hemi):D

[Mard]

1) step out of the office
2) open up the driver's side door
3) take off my gun belt and throw it in the passenger seat. (There's no way I can fit my frame in this car w/ all the gear on)
4) squeeze into the new std. issue Charger/Mustang. I'm 6'1", so my seat is back as far as it goes
5) this chop-top looks great, wish I had a convertible so I could at least see what's around me
6) pull over a crack head, possibly armed
7) where's that gun when I need it?
bam

I rented a 300 in Vegas and soon figured out if I was going to be first in line at a red light, I had to stop at least an extra car length back to see the traffic light. That could be tough on the LEO's.