Santa was generous

[BillyGman]

Here's some pics of my new pump gas engine that's going in my 70 Chevelle......how's 10.3 Liters sound???

[BillyGman]

and one more.....

[the_pack_rat]

Is that "632" designation refering to the CID ?.

Like dude ......

" Holy (EACH & EVERY 4 letter word known to mankind) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ".

:eek:

[jefferson-mo]

HOLY SMOKES!!!! :eek:

is that 632 as in cubic inches???? :awe:


woo hoo fer sure :woohoo:

:burnout: ?

[DEFYANT]

That'll be a screamer for sure.

Plan on any new burn out videos when it's all buttoned up?

[MarauderMark]

Man i like the santa you guys get up there.:santa:Nice Bill VERY Nice!!

[BillyGman]

LOL.....yep, that would be 632 cubes alright(10.3 L) ( 4.600" bore and 4.75" stroke). I guess I'll have to buy a tire factory now!!!

[martyo]

A good choice on Santa's part, both as to the engine and the recipient!

[BillyGman]

A good choice on Santa's part, both as to the engine and the recipient!That Santa is quite a guy.

[martyo]

That Santa is quite a guy.

I may have given Santa some legal guidance on this purchase. I wish I knew then what I know now. :D

[ncmm]

and one more.....

Holy smokes!!!!! That'll make lots of it for sure, what tire company should I buy stock in? :D

[BillyGman]

I may have given Santa some legal guidance on this purchase. I wish I knew then what I know now. :DAAAAHHHH, now you're catching on.......well, uhmmm, Santa did say that it was "car parts"....uhmm, just not that it was a whole bunch of them bolted together like that. :baaa:

[the_pack_rat]

LOL.....yep, that would be 632 cubes alright(10.3 L) ( 4.600" bore and 4.75" stroke). I guess I'll have to buy a tire factory now!!!
Do you actually have the 70 yet ..... or still looking ?.

I can't wait till I have the coin to work the 455 in my Toro. Shoot .... I'd settle for a NON-slipping tranny at this point ..... tis' sucking up MUCHO power at this point(just drove it yesterday - tranny is definitely in need of attention - tho I'm VERY suprised - they are generally BULLET PROOF).

10.5 to 1 aluminnum pistons - a newer more modern & potent cam - Edlebrock aluminum heads - re-curved distributor - double roller timing chain & gears - balance & blueprint the finished product along with a 1966-1967 switch pitch Toronado trans & perhaps a lower ratio final drive .............

The possiblities are endless.

"Owning" someone in a 4000-4200 LB car is funny enough ......

But the thought of owning someone in a 4600 LB FRONT WHEEL DRIVE cruiser of yesterday is worthy of needing tissues to clean yourself up afterwords.

Even WITH the moody trans ......

There were still quite a few people staring at me at the next stop light like ............ WTF ?!?!?!!?!?!?!?"

[BillyGman]

Holy smokes!!!!! That'll make lots of it for sure, what tire company should I buy stock in? :DGo with Mickey Thompson ;)

[ncmm]

MT it is. . .:burnout:

[BillyGman]

Do you actually have the 70 yet ..... or still looking ?.

I did find a 70 Chevelle, and it's in the bodyshop right now. In the next two months it will be undergoing a body-off restoration. Nothing of show car quality though. Just some decent paint that will look good. I'll be driving this car to work and back for part of each week, 8 months out of the year,(which is why I bought a pump gas engine) so it will get it's share of dings and scratches from rocks and pebbles hiting it. And ofcourse the frame will be stripped and painted too. Along with a whole new drivetrain. I'll be installing the drivetrain, with the help of my brother.

[the_pack_rat]

I did find a 70 Chevelle, and it's in the bodyshop right now. In the next two months it will be undergoing a body-off restoration. Nothing of show car quality though. Just some decent paint that will look good.I'l be driving this car to work and back for part of each week, 8 months out of the year,(which is why I bought a pump gas engine) so it will get it's share of dings and scratches from rocks and pebbles hiting it. And ofcourse the frame will be stripped and painted too. Along with a whole new drivetrain. I'll be installing the drivetrain, with the help of my brother.
Cool.

I sometimes have fantasies of driving a much OLDER car daily/semi-daily ...... but with a few creature comforts they lacked back in their day.

Good luck with it !.

[martyo]

AAAAHHHH, now you're catching on.......well, uhmmm, Santa did say that it was "car parts"....uhmm, just not that it was a whole bunch of them bolted together like that. :baaa:

True, but if Santa would have told me who he was transactin' bidness with, I could have told him to chill fo' sho'! :D

[BillyGman]

True, but if Santa would have told me who he was transactin' bidness with, I could have told him to chill fo' sho'! :DYup, I hear ya....but Santa did have a pretty fishy story about one of the salesmen there. One which caused him to be suspicious. The next time I call over there at the north pole, I'll tell him to ring your cell, so that he can tell you about that story.

[younga1]

Billy,

You've made many a jealous man with this post!

I don't care what you favor, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, whatever. Any fan of horsepower must appreciate this. To COOL:beer:

YOU are the MAN! :bows:

[martyo]

The next time I call over there at the north pole, I'll tell him to ring your cell, so that he can tell you about that story.

Please do, now I am curious.

[BillyGman]

Billy,

You've made many a jealous man with this post!

I don't care what you favor, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, whatever. Any fan of horsepower must appreciate this. To COOL:beer:

YOU are the MAN! :bows:Hopefully I won't get into too much trouble with this car on the street. I'll be taking it to the track, but I do plan on enjoying it on the street, just as I do my Marauder. The reality is that I definately won't be able to drive it as much as I do my Marauder, because that 632 engine is gonna suck some serious quantities of gasoline, and therefore I would go broke trying to drive it every day. I do expect it to be quite a street brawler though.

[jdando]

.....how's 10.3 Liters sound???

In my best Tim Allen voice/grunt "hough, hough, hough". Looks like a fun project! Enjoy the journey!

jeremy

[BillyGman]

In my best Tim Allen voice/grunt "hough, hough, hough". Looks like a fun project! Enjoy the journey!

jeremyLOL....yeah, I like Tim Allen's tastes when it comes to motor vehicles. It's just too bad for me though that my bank accounts don't look like Tim Allen's do.

[martyo]

Billy: I went back and looked at the pictures and I can confirm for you that that sure is a pretty motor.

What about pics of the Chevelle its going into?

[ckadiddle]

Which tire company should I start buying stock in?

[BillyGman]

Billy: I went back and looked at the pictures and I can confirm for you that that sure is a pretty motor.

What about pics of the Chevelle its going into?Like I've stated in a previous post my friend, the Chevelle is in the bodyshop, and it was just taken there yesterday. So although I do have some pics of it the way it is now, it doesn't look very impressive.

[the_pack_rat]

The 70 is a nice year for them.

The similar bodied 71/2 cars only had ONE headlamp per side ...... which I was never really fond of on ANY car.

[BillyGman]

I'm going to try and get M/T P325/50/15 drag radials on the back of my car. I'm not sure if that will work out though. Only time will tell.

[martyo]

Like I've stated in a previous post my friend, the Chevelle is in the bodyshop, and it was just taken there yesterday. So although I do have some pics of it the way it is now, it doesn't look very impressive.

I don't care my frriend. The starting point will, no doubt, make the finish that muh more impressive!

[BillyGman]

The 70 is a nice year for them.

The similar bodied 71/2 cars only had ONE headlamp per side ...... which I was never really fond of on ANY car.I saw so many 71 and up Chevelles when I was shopping for this car. But I don't like the 71's and later either. I like the double headlights too. I wanted a stock hood, and so it had to be a 70 SS cowl hood, because that's the only possible hope I have of getting this monster under any factory hood.

[BillyGman]

I don't care my frriend. The starting point will, no doubt, make the finish that muh more impressive!Okay Martin...as you wish......here's one of the bodyshop guy taking it away just yesterday....

[younga1]

Billy,

"Life begins when you reach the 10s" :D . This thing might get you there if you can get it to hook up.

Rode in a 76 big block Monza that ran 9.40 through mufflers with a 427. You'll have the power!! Traction?

[BillyGman]

Billy,

"Life begins when you reach the 10s" :D . This thing might get you there if you can get it to hook up.

You'll have the power!! Traction? Traction will be the key. my goal is that no matter what ET's I acheive with this car, they will be accomplished on 93 octane gasoline alone, and natural aspiration. No blower, turbo, nor Nitrous oxide. ALL MOTOR, and nothing but motor.

[STLR FN]

Not only will have to buy a tire factory Billy, I do believe a tanker filled with your octane of choice will be lurking around the corner.

[Sully008]

Billy, that's going to be one hell of a street brawler.:bows: I dare you to slap a pair of 396 badges on that and sucker someone in...

[Mad4Macs]

Hopefully I won't get into too much trouble with this car on the street. I'll be taking it to the track, but I do plan on enjoying it on the street, just as I do my Marauder. The reality is that I definately won't be able to drive it as much as I do my Marauder, because that 632 engine is gonna suck some serious quantities of gasoline, and therefore I would go broke trying to drive it every day. I do expect it to be quite a street brawler though.

Heh...
If you were worried about gas, you could have lashed 5 Honda's together with bungee cords!

:lol:

[Joe Walsh]

632 CID!!!! :eek:

JEEZ Billy, Why didn't you go with a really big engine???:D ;)

Man, after seeing the burnouts that you can do with 281 cubic inches, I'm scared to think what you can do now!!:bows: :bows: :bows:

That is going to be one really sick ride!

(Pretty wild when you think about spending FOUR times the original cost of the car......in JUST the engine!!)

[Joe Walsh]

Billy, I just checked out your 'puny' V8 on the World Products Website.....

ONLY 800 HP and 775 FT-LBS Torque! :awe:

[martyo]

Billy: I like it. A lot!

You neeed to start telling us some stories. Like how you found the car, how the buid is going, etc.

Plus, we definitely need to plan on some summertime hook ups at cruise nights between your house and mine.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82 35&d=1135486976

[Tallboy]

OK, William. Here's the deal...

I get into town very late on Wednesday, January 11th. I'm free all day Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, etc. I want to see the engine, and, if at all possible, a trip to the body shop to see the car. I am also very curious as to which body shop, as I am familiar with many of them.

Merry Christmas, my friend! I'm looking forward to seeing you...:up:

[BillyGman]

Billy, I just checked out your 'puny' V8 on the World Products Website.....

ONLY 800 HP and 775 FT-LBS Torque! :awe:Yep, that's the one. What I like the best is that it does NOT use race gas. I can pull up to the pump at any gas station in the country for a fill up when I get this car going. And with this monster, I'll be doing that quite often. :eek:

[BillyGman]

Heh...
If you were worried about gas, you could have lashed 5 Honda's together with bungee cords!

:lol:Yeah I know....get this.....there's this kid where i work who's always bragging about how much power his 1.8L equipped VW GTI has.:rolleyes: Well I just told him that I now have an engine that's literally more than 5 times the size of his, and that each of it's 8 cylinders has 1.3L of displacement compared to the 1.8L of his entire engine. Needless to say that left him speechless, and I didn't have to listen to him anymore that day. :baaa:

[BillyGman]

Billy: I like it. A lot!

You neeed to start telling us some stories. Like how you found the car, how the buid is going, etc.

Plus, we definitely need to plan on some summertime hook ups at cruise nights between your house and mine.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82 35&d=1135486976Cruise nights with mine and your cars sounds like a great idea to me pal. As far as my car, I found it on racingjunk.com (I got sick of all the crooks on ebay) and the guy was located right near Philly, PA. This guy has a whole back yard full of Chevelles and Camaros ranging from rusty rollers, to his prize 1,400 HP 69 Chevelle.

As far as the build goes, it has just started. Right now I'm just busy shopping, and buying parts, because I'll be supplying the bodyshop with everything they need. When I get the car back in March, I'll be buying a beefed-up TH400 transmission equipped with a transbrake and shield, and an "S60" Strange Engineering rear end which uses a 9.75" diameter ring gear with thier 35 spline axles and 5/8" diameter chromemoly wheel studs.

I have to decide on weather or not to get the standard 2" length or the 3" length studs. I'm not sure what I'll need. I was leaning towards the 2" studs, because I don't believe in using wheel spacers, but I dunno if any other neded items would require the 3" length. I'll also be using billet yokes that use the big 1350 series U-joints, and a cromemoly driveshaft made by Denny's driveshafts from their "Nitrous ready" line. I don't plan on using Nitrous at all, but this monster has as much torque N/A as many smaller engines churn out on nitrous oxide.

[BillyGman]

OK, William. Here's the deal...

I get into town very late on Wednesday, January 11th. I'm free all day Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, etc. I want to see the engine, and, if at all possible, a trip to the body shop to see the car. I am also very curious as to which body shop, as I am familiar with many of them.

Merry Christmas, my friend! I'm looking forward to seeing you...:up:Sounds good Chuck. This place I'm having the body and paint done advertises in the Bargain News. They go by "Coventry Motorcars" as well as "Cobra Motorsports" and they're Located in Columbia, CT. I don't know much about them, and I'm hoping they will do a decent job. But Like I said, I'm not looking for a show quality paint job either, because as extreme as this car will be, it will be one of my drivers. Not a trailer queen, nor a prissy show winner. this thing will be driven hard just like my Marauder is. Just not on an every day basis because of the gas mileage in the single digits that I'll be getting with it.

The engine has a Lunati solid roller circle track camshaft in it that's supposed to be "easy on valvetrain parts" according to Lunati. It has a .705" lift. I just hope that valve lash adjustments aren't going to be a hassle with those stud girdles!!! I've never used stud girdles before so this will be a new experience for me.

[BillyGman]

Billy, that's going to be one hell of a street brawler.:bows: I dare you to slap a pair of 396 badges on that and sucker someone in...That's just one of the reasons why I want to keep this package underneath the stock hood. I don't want to advertise to everyone who pulls up along side of me at a traffic light what this thing is. I want them to find out the hard way should they dare to challenge me. :D

...yes, it will sound pretty mean, and maybe even at idle. Anyone with a trained ear will pick-up on it right away I'm sure. But most of the Camaro SS guys,the Audi guys, VW GTI geeks,the snobish majority of the Z06 crowd, and especially the ricers will have no idea what this thing is until they see what it does. Or I should say what it will do. So a "396" badge isn't a bad idea. ;)

[mtnh]

How about 3.96 (sec) 0-60!

How much does that engine weigh, Bill?

Are you going to have the rear axle narrowed to accomodate the fat boy tires?

Very impressive, good luck.

[Merc-O-matic]

That's just one of the reasons why I want to keep this package underneath the stock hood. I don't want to advertise to everyone who pulls up along side of me at a traffic light what this thing is. I want them to find out the hard way should they dare to challenge me. :D

...yes, it will sound pretty mean, and maybe even at idle. Anyone with a trained ear will pick-up on it right away I'm sure. But most of the Camaro SS guys,the Audi guys, VW GTI geeks,the snobish majority of the Z06 crowd, and especially the ricers will have no idea what this thing is until they see what it does. Or I should say what it will do. So a "396" badge isn't a bad idea. ;)

BillyG, What happen to yours plans for the Shelby Ford GT 400
5.4 blown racer? I would think this would dust its doors....

Gotta Love It!:pimp:

[watts428]

Hey!!

The distributor is on the wrong end of the motor!! :D

[Joe Walsh]

, and an "S60" Strange Engineering rear end which uses a 9.75" diameter ring gear with thier 35 spline axles and 5/8" diameter chromemoly wheel studs.



WHAT!!!.....NO FORD 9 INCH REAR??? heh heh heh;)

[BillyGman]

How about 3.96 (sec) 0-60!

How much does that engine weigh, Bill?

Are you going to have the rear axle narrowed to accomodate the fat boy tires?

Very impressive, good luck.Thanks for the best wishes. The engine shipping weight was 695 LBS, but I think that was including the crate and pallet. So my guess is about 650 LBS. It's an iron tall deck block, and the Merlin III blocks are beefed-up with thicker decks, and thicker cylinder walls than ordinary factory blocks have, so I knew it would be heavy. The 4.75" stroker crankshaft this engine uses is a standard weight forged Callies crank, and it alone weighs 74 LBS. So this thing is definately no light weight.

As for the rear end width, I'm staying with the factory dimensions. I want this car to look stock other than the 15x10" centerline wheels I've ordered, which have special backspacing.

[BillyGman]

BillyG, What happen to yours plans for the Shelby Ford GT 400
5.4 blown racer? I would think this would dust its doors....

Gotta Love It!:pimp: Yeah, there won't be any Shelby GT500's that will be keeping up with my Chevelle once I get it going. Atleast not on the straight aways. And for that matter, there won't be any 2006 Z06 vettes, nor Ford GT's keeping up on the straights either. Around corners will be another story I'm sure.

I dropped the idea of waiting for a Shelby GT500, because for one, the dealers will be marking them up to $50K, and they're just not worth that to me from what I've seen, and secondly, I'm seeing too many things that they've already reportedly changed that I don't like (such as the hood design, and the type of S/Cer). And since they're only going to be making about 7,000 of them per year, the demand is much greater than the supply will be, and I'd never be able to touch one anyway. So I decided to build my own rocketship instead. I've always leaned towards more displacement anyway. And after reading all about the new 427 CID equipped Z06 Vettes, I decided that the 5.4L engines of the GT500's, just won't be enough for me.

And after owning my Marauder for 2 1/2 years, I've decided that although it's a real cool car, and one that I still LUV driving on a daily basis (which is why I'm keeping it), I definately like 16 valve pushrod V8 engines better. I think they sound better when you wind them up, and they generally are torqier engines given a certain displacement. Just my opinion though based on my own experiences. Nothing to debate about. We all have to make our own choices. Different strokes ya know. But the most positive thing that I have to say about the 4.6L DOHC engine is how durable it is. I've put my S/Ced Marauder with it's factory stock bottom end to the test time and time again, and that thing just keeps on plugging away!!!

[BillyGman]

WHAT!!!.....NO FORD 9 INCH REAR??? heh heh heh;)Going with a Ford 9" rear in my Chevelle was my original plan. However, I began to do some research on this, and in light of my findings, I like the Dana 60 set-up better. It has to be atleast as durable, if not more durable than the Ford 9" rear is. Having a bigger diameter ring gear is superior, as is a bigger diameter pinion gear shaft. The Ford has the 9" ring gear diameter, and a 1.3" diameter pinion gear shaft, while the Dana 60 has the 9.75" diameter ring gear, along with a 1.6" diameter pinion shaft.

And Strange Engineering's "S60" rear is a beefed-up version of the Dana 60, so the housing is even more durable than a factory Dana 60 is. Which is why their "S60" rear weighs 9 LBS more than a Dana 60, and 15 LBS more than a Ford 9" rear. And I'll want the added durability. the Dana 60 was mostly a truck rear end, and strange went and redesigned it to make it even better, and more durable. And with the 35 spline axles I'll be going with, I really don't think that I'll ever blow that rear.

[martyo]

Billy: You are the man with a plan. I adnire that! :up:

[Smokie]

I definately like 16 valve pushrod V8 engines better. I think they sound better when you wind them up!

I agree, they sound much better. One thing I noticed at the Heavyweight Shootout is that every pushrod engine that I beat down the 1/4 sounded better than my quiet car.

A 14 second SS did not sound much different than a 12 second SS. The burnouts they did were awesome. It was hard to determine how fast the car was based on the sound and smoke generated at the water box.

[Joe Walsh]

Yeah I know....get this.....there's this kid where i work who's always bragging about how much power his 1.8L equipped VW GTI has.:rolleyes: Well I just told him that I now have an engine that's literally more than 5 times the size of his, and that each of it's 8 cylinders has 1.3L of displacement compared to the 1.8L of his entire engine. Needless to say that left him speechless, and I didn't have to listen to him anymore that day. :baaa:


I love it!

I know what you mean about the younger generation and their opinion of a 'hot' engine.
'632'....huh?....SO WHAT?
They don't really know CIDs, they just know LITERS. So when you said: "10.3 LITERS" he must have crapped his pants!

1.3 LITERS PER CYLINDER

Truly an awesome engine Billy, when is the body shop mounting wings on your Chevelle???

(When you are finished with that BEAST, you should go find that 600+HP EVO8 that was in a recent thread and challenge him to a grudge match.)

[BillyGman]

I agree, they sound much better. One thing I noticed at the Heavyweight Shootout is that every pushrod engine that I beat down the 1/4 sounded better than my quiet car.

A 14 second SS did not sound much different than a 12 second SS. The burnouts they did were awesome. It was hard to determine how fast the car was based on the sound and smoke generated at the water box.Javier, based on that vid that you've posted on this board of your wife driving your Marauder, I think your car sounds real nice. I also think that my Marauder sounds pretty nice too, and others have also told me that they think the same thing. I like the way V8 engines sound, and that's one of the reasons why I wouldn't drive a V10 equipped car, nor a V6 either. But if I had to make a choice between a 32 valve DOHC V8, or a 16 valve pushrod V8, I'd choose the latter. I think they sound even better, and I don't think the extra room that the DOHC heads require is justified.

If someone doesn't care about the way an engine sounds when they wind it up, then I'm sure that they would be happy with a 600+ HP Evo, or a V10 or V6 engine as long as they would propel the vehicle in question into the 12 second or 11 second brackets. But I wouldn't be. I'd still want a V8 engine, just because of how it sounds. And preferably a 16 valve pushrod V8. I don't care for the way Z06 Vettes look, but their pushrod V8 engines sound real mean with a free flowing exhaust. Again, that's just my opinion, and I guess it has nothing to do with how fast or how slow they are. But none of this is intended to take anything away from our Marauders. they're real cool cars, and always will be as far as I'm concerned.

[BillyGman]

Billy: You are the man with a plan. I adnire that! :up:Thanks Martin ole boy. I try to plan ahead. Although we both know that there are certain things that will always go differently than planned. I just hope that I don't run into too many of those type of hurdles. I've already run into a couple of them while being merely in the planning stages of this project. So far I have been able to come up with deviations of the main plan incase I encounter some problems along the way. But although planning ahead is key, I also know that there's only so much planning one can do, and with some things, you just won't find out where things are really at until you get there.

So now it's time for me to begin to put all of these plans into the execution mode. And that's what I'm currently doing. As soon as I get the car back from the bodyshop, I'll post some more pics. I'll also be taking pics of the body work process too, incase anyone is interested.

[Smokie]

. I'd still want a V8 engine, just because of how it sounds. And preferably a 16 valve pushrod V8.

Amen brother, I hope one day to return to a 16 valve pushrod V-8 engine. I want very much to own a late sixties-early seventies muscle car to play with and work on myself. My MM. was never intended to sound or look like a hotrod and I have taken great pains to maintain the OEM look and sound; while achieving a level of performance superior to the average large 4 door sedan.

Your project is pretty much something that I wish I had the means to do, I really admire the way you go about it and I hope one day I have the opportunity to go for a ride on the finished product.:D

[Shankin]

Just the other day my partner and myself tuned a shafroff 632 and it made 580 to the tires on the motor.

[Breadfan]

...And ofcourse the frame will be stripped and painted too. Along with a whole new drivetrain. ....

Get the frame powder coated! If it's stripped down enough to a bare frame then no need to paint it, a 2 coat powder coat (black and clear) will be super glossy and much stronger than paint. Even a non-glossy coating will stand up to the rocks and all much better than paint.

[shakes_26]

I think he is flat out insane!

632 cubic inches, in the hands of someone like Billy..... does this sound 'reasonable'? I think not, lets look at history...


Most Marauder owners upgrade to 4.10 gears...Billy goes to 4.56
Most Supercharged Marauder owners, happy with a 50-60 ft burnout...Billy he has to go the whole length of the parking lot (ps that vid is why I bought the MM)
Most gun owners happy with say anything under .375 H&H....Billy has to have a .50BMG
Most hot rodders could be happy with a 502....Billy he has to have a 632 I bet your stereo amplifier goes to 11 doesn't it? :lol:

I told a friend at work about your motor today (he has a 69 vette with 427 6pak carbs), he goes oh, thats about as much displacement as my truck (04- F350 w/powerstroke)..... I had to crush him and let him know you had more than an additional 4 liters of dispalcement.....

I've got to see this thing run!! Way to go Santa!

[Tallboy]

I will be bringing back a detailed report from the Homeland...:up:

[jgc61sr2002]

Get the frame powder coated! If it's stripped down enough to a bare frame then no need to paint it, a 2 coat powder coat (black and clear) will be super glossy and much stronger than paint. Even a non-glossy coating will stand up to the rocks and all much better than paint.


Yes I concur, powder coating the frame is the way to go.:D

[Rider90]

What's wrong with the good old undercoating? How about Rhino-Lining the underside?

[Breadfan]

Well I had mine blasted AND two coat coated for $500. I dropped it off rusty and full of dirt and grime and got back a smooth, glossy black totally rust free part. Plus, with powder, they can shoot the powder inside any boxed areas and they will bond there much better than paint.

Excuse the dust in this pic!

Now I just wish I had a house and garage so I could get back to work on that project...in due time though.

http://www.neuralimpulse.com/cars/trpics/IMG_1620.jpg

[BillyGman]

I think he is flat out insane!

632 cubic inches, in the hands of someone like Billy..... does this sound 'reasonable'? I think not, lets look at history...

Most Marauder owners upgrade to 4.10 gears...Billy goes to 4.56
Most Supercharged Marauder owners, happy with a 50-60 ft burnout...Billy he has to go the whole length of the parking lot (ps that vid is why I bought the MM)
Most gun owners happy with say anything under .375 H&H....Billy has to have a .50BMG
Most hot rodders could be happy with a 502....Billy he has to have a 632I bet your stereo amplifier goes to 11 doesn't it? :lol:

I told a friend at work about your motor today (he has a 69 vette with 427 6pak carbs), he goes oh, thats about as much displacement as my truck (04- F350 w/powerstroke)..... I had to crush him and let him know you had more than an additional 4 liters of dispalcement.....

I've got to see this thing run!! Way to go Santa!LOL....okay, I admit I am a bit of an extremist. But hey, why not go for the gusto???:D

[BillyGman]

Amen brother, I hope one day to return to a 16 valve pushrod V-8 engine. I want very much to own a late sixties-early seventies muscle car to play with and work on myself. My MM. was never intended to sound or look like a hotrod and I have taken great pains to maintain the OEM look and sound; while achieving a level of performance superior to the average large 4 door sedan.

Your project is pretty much something that I wish I had the means to do, I really admire the way you go about it and I hope one day I have the opportunity to go for a ride on the finished product.:DHey Javier, never say "never".....perhaps you were one of those who thought that you would never be able to afford to Supercharge your Marauder either. But now look at what a rocketship you've made out of it with that supercharger you have.

Anyway, meeting up with you some day with or w/out my Chevelle would be great. You and I have agreed, as well as disagreed with one another on various topics so many times, and yet we've managed to remain peaceful and respectful to eachother through all of it. I'm very pleased about that.

As far as this Chevelle of mine, I do plan on driving out of state with it occassionaly, but I'll be the first to admit that it won't be as much as I have with my Marauder since this thing is really gonna drink down the gas at an alarming rate I'm sure.:eek: As far as getting the frame powder caoted, doing that is different than just having a couple small parts powder coated, and I'm not sure if this place that my car is at now has the equipment to powder coat. Anyway, here are some more "before" pics of my Chevelle........

[Wagonmaster]

Dude, I'm jealous!! That is a sweet package. I thought you were fondling the privates of the GM572?? 630hp on pump gas wasn't enouph?? A simple swap to a dual plane intake on the 572 gains over 20hp you know!

.705" lift ROLLER cam on a regularly driven street machine? WOW. Beware that roller cams are not very forgiving of low RPM's. Roller lifters get oil via "Splash" from the connecting rods, so dont let that monster idle. Keep it @ 1,500+ when your sitting at the local red light. I ran a .630 lift roller cam in a 576hp small block in a street/strip car so it can certainly be done but be careful.

As far as the wheel studs go I would go with the 3" studs (depending on wheel design), as tech officials at the track like to see them protrude through the lug nut on 10.99 and quicker cars. Reference the stud girdles, they are no big deal, just a little extra added time for R&R.

I cant wait for next summer to see pic's of you hanging the front skins at the track! Good luck!

GT


The engine has a Lunati solid roller circle track camshaft in it that's supposed to be "easy on valvetrain parts" according to Lunati. It has a .705" lift. I just hope that valve lash adjustments aren't going to be a hassle with those stud girdles!!! I've never used stud girdles before so this will be a new experience for me.

[shakes_26]

As far as getting the frame powder caoted, doing that is different than just having a couple small parts powder coated, and I'm not sure if this place that my car is at now has the equipment to powder coat. Anyway, here are some more "before" pics of my Chevelle........

Billy,

You might consider having them sandblast the frame weld up/repair/stiffen as needed, and then use POR-15. They can brush it on or spray it. This stuff is amazing, makes a tough, flexible, covering for metal parts, especially good on frames. Its impervious to chemicals (wear gloves..... ask me how I know). This stuff looks like the stuff on modern car frames, but its even tougher than that. Check out their website, you dont even have to get all the rust off, just the loose stuff.

-Marc

[BillyGman]

Dude, I'm jealous!! That is a sweet package. I thought you were fondling the privates of the GM572?? 630hp on pump gas wasn't enouph?? A simple swap to a dual plane intake on the 572 gains over 20hp you know!Yes, that's true. But 800 HP on pump gas is better! :D I was going to get the 572, but I was concerned about buying the engine, and a year later thinking that it wasn't enough power.

.705" lift ROLLER cam on a regularly driven street machine? WOW. Beware that roller cams are not very forgiving of low RPM's. Roller lifters get oil via "Splash" from the connecting rods, so dont let that monster idle. Keep it @ 1,500+ when your sitting at the local red light. I ran a .630 lift roller cam in a 576hp small block in a street/strip car so it can certainly be done but be careful.Hmmm, I've never heard that before. Thanks very much for your input on this. I know that both versions of the GM 572 engines have roller camshafts. The 620HP version has the hydraulic roller, and the 720 HP racing version has the .714" lift solid roller. And the recommended idle for those two engines is 950 RPM, and 1200 RPM respectively. I'll call Lunati cams about this since that's what brand of cam is in my 632 engine. There are many factory stock engines in production cars that have roller cams (although they are hydraulic rollers with lower lift, and ofcourse they use lighter valve spring pressures). Lunati states on their website that this particular camshaft that's in this engine (part#50233LUN) is a high torque circle track cam, and is "easy on valvetrain parts", so I'm hoping for the best with this cam.

As far as the wheel studs go I would go with the 3" studs (depending on wheel design), as tech officials at the track like to see them protrude through the lug nut on 10.99 and quicker cars.AAAAAHHH, you've hit on another interesting point for me. Again, I thank you for bringing this up. I'm a little undecided about the wheel studs. But not only about the length of them, but the diameter too. I want to go with the bigger 5/8" diameter, but it isn't easy to find wheels that have holes big enough to accomodate the bigger diameter studs. I've ordered Centerline brand wheels, but that company told me that the only wheels they offer with holes big enough for the 5/8" stud diameter are the 15x15" ones, and I need the 15x10" ones.

So I'll have to investigate this topic for other possible options. I may have to get some circle track wheels.Reference the stud girdles, they are no big deal, just a little extra added time for R&R.Okay, thanks.;)

I cant wait for next summer to see pic's of you hanging the front skins at the track! Good luck!

GTYeah, that's what I'm looking forward to also:banana2: . Something tells me that the monsterous power this car is going to have with this new engine of mine is going to take me some time to get used to though. Yes, I do look forward to it, and I get psyched just thinking about how the car is going to move, but in light of the fact that I'm used to driving a low 12 second car, I'm going to have to take my time experimenting with the extra power and torque of the massive 632 engine. I was told that by 3,000 RPM it's already making 715 ft/LBS of torque(at the crank ofcourse). So we will see how it goes. Thanks for the best wishes.

[BillyGman]

Billy,

You might consider having them sandblast the frame weld up/repair/stiffen as needed, and then use POR-15. They can brush it on or spray it. This stuff is amazing, makes a tough, flexible, covering for metal parts, especially good on frames. Its impervious to chemicals

-MarcThat's a good idea Marc. I've heard of that POR-15 stuff before, and I was considering that for the frame even though I won't ever be driving this car in the winter. I'll have to go on their website to check it out. I believe that the Eastwood company sells their stuff too. I remember seeing it in their catalogue. Thanks.

[Breadfan]

Will the frame in stock form hold up well to that kind of power and torque? Will you be adding any kind of structural support? Just curious!

And yeah, POR-15 should suffice, powdercoat is a good option but only when a nearby shop that is good and reasonably priced exists and the frame can be taken there feasibly. :)

I recall taking that spitfire frame, the shop was 40miles away and I had to borrow a friend and his pickup to get it there...so yeah that wasn't super easy.

[BillyGman]

I'm going to have the frame boxed. Incase you don't know what I mean by that, let me explain that if you were to take a cross section of the frame rail, you would see that they have three sides to them and are not closed in. They consist of an open "C" channel. So I'm having them weld in a fourth side to them to make it a closed box. That should strengthen it plenty.