High Performance Radiator's For the Marauder

[Cobra25]

I was looking for maybe changing my Radiator to something a little bigger. I found a Company called: Wizard Cooling, 6149 Powers Road, Orchard Park, New York, 14127. Phone # 716-662-2392. I spoke to a Guy Named Scott Ext.711. They Custom make radiators to fit any car. They can make a radiator for our Marauder's that holds 50 % more in the core and would be a direct fit with no Clearance issues. Our Radiator core is 1 inch thick it would be increased to 1 1/2 inches thick, 1/4 inch on each side . Our standard tubes are 1 inch and would go to 1 1/2 inches thick. It would take 4 week's to build and cost $600 Dollars with 50 % down as a depost. Keep in mind its a direct fit. Nothing else to buy or make up. Just though some one else might have a interest.

[jimlam56]

Z, a couple things come to my uneducated mind, one being the increased time it takes to warm the coolant up enough to circulate, the other being the lower pressure because of the larger tubing. Again, no expert and understand that it rarely gets below 40 where you live...

[DEFYANT]

Why the up grade?

[Cobra25]

Why the up grade? It might help in the warmer climate's to cool the car a little better. Since we have 16 lb. pressure caps the pressure would be the same, the flow rate would be the same too. Some of the guys get larger Tranny pan's to hold more fluid, some may go with larger oil pans , why not a larger Radiator? It can't hurt anything as far as I know, only help.

[MarauderTJA]

I was looking for maybe changing my Radiator to something a little bigger. I found a Company called: Wizard Cooling, 6149 Powers Road, Orchard Park, New York, 14127. Phone # 716-662-2392. I spoke to a Guy Named Scott Ext.711. They Custom make radiators to fit any car. They can make a radiator for our Marauder's that holds 50 % more in the core and would be a direct fit with no Clearance issues. Our Radiator core is 1 inch thick it would be increased to 1 1/2 inches thick, 1/4 inch on each side . Our standard tubes are 1 inch and would go to 1 1/2 inches thick. It would take 4 week's to build and cost $600 Dollars with 50 % down as a depost. Keep in mind its a direct fit. Nothing else to buy or make up. Just though some one else might have a interest.

Good information Z. I was thinking about the radiator issue with my new forged motor build. Will put this info aside. Thanks.

[Todd]

It cant hurt to have more cooling capacity... I will be upgrading mine one day. I need to find a thin enough cooling fan first to account for the thicker radiator and turbo in the way.

I understand that Griffin already makes one for our car. Thats what Martyo has on his. Although I dont know if it requires any kind of modifications to fit or not...

Just a thought in case the wheel has already been created.

[FordNut]

I have the Griffin also. No major mods necessary.

[stryker]

:banana2: Hmmmm interesting I ask if he can make one of those for a 1997 Crownvictoria ? and what material he make those radiators ?


STRYKER.:cool:

[JMan]

Cobra,
That raises three questions for me-
A. What is the composition of their radiators (e.g. Plastic tanks, aluminum core, larger tranny cooler etc.)
B. Is there an OEM high capacity radiator available like for an Interceptor
C. Is there a local radiator shop that could build you one substantially cheaper. They may be using factory tanks with a core from a heavy duty application of similar size (Like an F250 or something).
I wish you well and greater cooling capacity is never a bad thing.

J

[TAF]

Griffin Radiators http://www.griffinrad.com/ (http://www.griffinrad.com/)

Buddy Griffin drives a Marauder...they have a direct replacement for the Marauder that Buddy had them design for his, but with larger capacity and efficiency...they custom built the one in Marty's car perfectly to the design I came up with and submitted to them and were EXCELLENT to work with.

http://www.legalknevil.com/albums/Marauder/arb.sized.jpg
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[sailsmen]

On my vehicle we removed the OEM Trans Cooler, cut off the steering rack cooler which is integrated into the bottom of the OEM Trans cooler, remounted the steering rack cooler to the front sway bar and installed a Trans cooler behind the front grill.

This resulted in improved flow over the radiator and less heat being thrown on the radiator.

[SergntMac]

Ummm...I've busted through two radiators now, from road hazards. I'm kinda glad they were not custom 5-6 hundred buck cores. Each time I considered the Griffin replacement with no better excuse to upgrade possible, IMHO. But, it wasn't a week later that I busted the second radiator, so, I'm kind of pleased I didn't upgrade at that point. OEM radiator is 245. OTC, 180-205. reman.

Performance-wise...Expect none from this upgrade. A properly tuned cooling system is more important than the size of the radiator core, or, coolant capacity.

Lots of junk collects between the core, tranny cooler and A/C condenser, keep that cleaned out. Could be worth it to break it all down for the first time. Get a 180 stat, maybe lower in your in tropical climates. Use a 50/50 mixture of glycol and water (any color is fine, but just one color), add the head cooling mod, and make sure you complete a thorough burping of the system. I mean thorough, Gents, not just once or twice.

Do this, and you will never overheat, not even close. After two straight hours of 90+ MPH on FLA roads, 185 degrees. Sitting in Fla traffic, 188 degrees.

Pocket your savings for another mod...Just my .02C. Carry on, Gents.

[Rider90]

I'm satisfied with our radiators as-is. I wondered if I should get something better, just like most of you, until I got a ScanGauge and was able to monitor my water temps. As soon as my engine kisses ~192*(F) it quickly settles back down to ~186*(F) Even at higher RPMs, the stock radiator does an excellent job of controlling the water temperature.

But there is nothing wrong with a little reassurance, so do what you want and enjoy it :cool:

[Donny Carlson]

Do this, and you will never overheat, not even close. After two straight hours of 90+ MPH on FLA roads, 185 degrees. Sitting in Fla traffic, 188 degrees.

Out of curiosity, how do you measure your coolant temps? Did you install a coolant temp gauge?

[SergntMac]

Out of curiosity, how do you measure your coolant temps? Did you install a coolant temp gauge? Engine sensors, Donny, via the EEC and a Scan Gauge.

[Donny Carlson]

Engine sensors, Donny, via the EEC and a Scan Gauge.

I wonder where the EEC samples the temperature. Reason I wonder is Jason installed a digital temp gauge in my old MM, put the sender in a location that read coolant temps as it left the block on its way back into the radiator (reasoning this would be the highest temps). My readings, well, "normal" temps for me were 20 degrees or so higher than yours. I ran, as a norm, in the 200-209 range in city traffic depending on grade, outside temps. Cruising on the freeway was 206.
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Could be my car ran warmer, or my sender was off range.

Still, interesting.

[SergntMac]

I wonder where the EEC samples the temperature. Reason I wonder is Jason installed a digital temp gauge in my old MM, put the sender in a location that read coolant temps as it left the block on its way back into the radiator (reasoning this would be the highest temps). The ECT sensor is located on the passenger side of the crossover pipe, between the altenator and passenger side valve cover. It measures the coolant temp as it pumps out of the block, within an inch of the block itself. I agree, this is the best place to measure the temp, for the hotest reading possible.

[FordNut]

The ECT sensor is located on the passenger side of the crossover pipe, between the altenator and passenger side valve cover. It measures the coolant temp as it pumps out of the block, within an inch of the block itself. I agree, this is the best place to measure the temp, for the hotest reading possible.
I believe he's talking about tranny temp. And the PCM does read it somehow, I've had my tranny overheat from hot-lapping. The engine was at normal temp, but the tranny started short-shifting because it was so hot.