Exhaust Tips-Info from your "tips"- [Archive]

Marauderman

04-18-2003, 02:58 PM

Exhaust tips--info from your tips--

After last nights call for help and tips received--here is the latest update for all wanting to buy the tips and oil gauges--at least what I had to do ....

1. Called "Summit Racing " for the correct oil gauge-- # 1-800- 230-3030--cost is a bit more than I thought it would be--Pm me for info if you want cost...should get it Monday PM

2 . Called Cone Engineering in Calif. this morning for the new "tips"--problem here--seems they don''t sell to private individuals---just to their distributers--so ..was told theirs was --get this --"Inovative Interceptors" in Houston ,Tx.
# 1-713-681-5856.....AN the owners name is West Chain-----he is aka "WCHAIN" on our (net) forum.

Okay--ordered the tips-=-Again for more than what has been stated here previously--but ---damn--time is awaistn for me ..so they will arrive Monday as well...--again---PM me for cost...

Mr Chain wanted me to tell all about his availablity for these tips if you wanted them..but wait till I get them and I will either brag or the other on him for us all...

AND also got the new Sylvania bulbs and there going in as well...
..will be really a completely new car when she comes out this week for the ALT. meet-=-can't wait...sorry for long thread....

MMpridenjoy

04-18-2003, 03:42 PM

Nice..sounds like you are lovin it when you get it back. Just to add to your great post, the link for those tips.

Megs (http://www.innovativeinterceptors.com/index/products.html)

martyo

04-18-2003, 03:52 PM

Ouch. Cone must have decided to change theoir policy. A bunch of us shopped direct and saved! It's a good thing I got in early, 'cause I used up my allowance on the car for the next three years!!

jgc61sr2002

04-18-2003, 05:36 PM

Tom - Sounds like things are moving along fairly well and you are back on the road shortly. John:up:

Marauderman

04-18-2003, 05:58 PM

Hope to be BACK IN THE SADDLE AGAIN next week--Its crunch time--alot still to do and little time before ALT meet 25/26th....Thanks for keep'n up with me....

WolfeBros

04-18-2003, 06:10 PM

looking97233

04-18-2003, 08:46 PM

Wolfe- sounds like a shark to me. I was going to get a pair, haven't gotten around to it yet. I saw the manuf. price, and I saw the other guys price. More than double.... I understand a distrubator has to make a proffit, but 116%? If this distrubator is the only place to get the Megs, I'll get the almost identical ones from dynomax even though the cost even more. Just on principal.

schuvwj

04-19-2003, 02:34 PM

You know we've all talked about changing the tips to get rid of the baffle! Is there a way to modify or remove all or just part of the baffle in the stock tips

Maybe the guys who have replaced them can give us some info on how they are designed so we can modify them our selves?

Thanks!

martyo

04-19-2003, 02:38 PM

It does NOT look to me like the stock tips can readily be modified or altered without permanently damaging them.

By the way, what did you do to modify your dead pedal? Details, please......

SergntMac

04-19-2003, 03:20 PM

If our source for genuine Megs tips has dried up, here's an addy for a real neat look-a-like. www.goravin.com Go to PRODUCTS, scroll down to TIPS, look at the VP1552, 2 1/4" inlet, 3" chrome tip, 24" long, angle cut tip. Not exact, I know, but looks real neat. Available from Midas Mufflers, sorry, I haven't a retail price right now. Just a suggestion...

116% eh? I'd rather spend more elsewhere, than pay a pirate!

schuvwj

04-19-2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by martyo
It does NOT look to me like the stock tips can readily be modified or altered without permanently damaging them.

By the way, what did you do to modify your dead pedal? Details, please......

Martyo I understand that modifying the tips would be permanent but if you could modify them gradually to get the level of sound you like, (little at a time), to me this would not be a problem!

As far as the dead pedal modification:
1) I went to Lowes and bought a 4" by 8" by 3/16" thick steal plate.
2) I drilled new holes on one end of the plate where the dead pedal was originally mounted by using the dead pedal as a template for hole spacing.
3) I bolted the plate to the dead pedal bracket (You do not have to by longer bolts, the original bolts were long enough).
4) Once the plate was bolted on the bracket I positioned the dead pedal on the plate useing a visegrip in alocation that felt best to me.
5) Marked holes on the plate again using the dead pedal as a template.
6) Removed the plate, drilled the two more holes large enough so I could insert carriage bolts, (had to by bolts and lock nuts at the hardware store), because there is no clearance for a std. bolt head, std. head will rub against the kick panel.
7) Once I had the proper location I took my electrical saw-zaw and trimmed the 4"x8x3/16" plate to remove any unneeded material sanded and painted the newly cut plate black.
8) Then re-installed it!
Dead pedal is still very sturdy!
Works Great!

WolfeBros

04-19-2003, 04:04 PM

Bill from what I saw there just is no easy way to get inside the tip to do the work. Kinda like building a ship in a bottle. There is probably a way but is it worth the time and effort and hassle?
Only you can answer that question. The OEM tip is kind of like a pipe in a pipe. There is a plate halfway down inside the thing that reduces the inner tip from 3" to 2 1/2". What is on the backside of that restriction to the inlet of the tip is unknown to me but I suspect it is a solid pipe. The OEM MEGS tip is alot heavier than the replacement MEGS tip. The replacement tip is 2 1/2 inches but opens up to 3" all thru the tip, not just halfway.
I suspect this extra length and diameter is what helps with the tone. Kinda like a megaphone would work.

martyo

04-19-2003, 08:24 PM

Bill: Thanks for the input in the dead pedal mod. I think Sam (Wolfe) covered all I could add here.

schuvwj

04-19-2003, 09:42 PM

Sam thanks for the feedback on the exhuast tips.

I was wondering what would kind of change I would have in the exhuast sound if I had a 3/8" or 1/2" drill bit that would reach half way down the megs and drill a hole or two in that plate?

I may give it a try if I can see what is in there, maybe, just maybe drilling one hole will improve the sound and two or three may be even better?

I was hoping you seeing the megs from the inlet side would give me some additional info on how to modify them.

Thanks for the info. Sam/Wolf!!!

DLoreanMARAUDER

04-19-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by WolfeBros
Ouch........ I know the guy in (location deleted by WolfeBros) was selling them for $130 vs the $60 from the manufacturer Cone Engineering. He is on this site and may have complained. A case of where our own 411 was used against us. I have my set. I am just thinking of the group. Thoughts anyone?

I like the way you think and I am with you on this one. why would cone stop selling to individuals unless someone complained, and if that is the case, then thats just playing dirty. its important that we stick together and watch out for one another, and your one stand up guy for doing so! too bad i didnt order sooner. Oh well I'd rather pay you (even if you cant get them cheeper) than someone who is profiting off us and not doing anything in return!:po: !

WolfeBros

04-19-2003, 11:08 PM

Oooppss......you misunderstood my intention.
I don't want you to buy them from me. I want to try and get it fixed so we (club members) can buy direct again. If they want a distributor.....I bet we could find someone who could do that. ;)
So far I have one PM......there may not be enough interest.
If I get some more people interested I will be glad to make the call to Cone Engineering to plead our case. I think its a damn good one.

CRUZTAKER

04-20-2003, 04:47 AM

Wolfe:
You know I'm bummed. That was first on the list monday. Now I read this crap!! WTF. I am calling Cone anyway...I have an Ohio vendor license and tax cert. ***** the dumb shat. This is aggravating. I am gonna call the other (loser) company as well. :fire:

jgc61sr2002

04-20-2003, 07:17 AM

Go - Cruz :up:

glassman99

04-20-2003, 08:24 AM

Interesting to see what the cones would sound like with Dennis's shorty headers. At $60 I might have found out. At $130 I probably won't. Stick together and get the original price back!

WolfeBros

04-20-2003, 10:30 AM

Barry if you can wait a few days we may do better as a group.
I have gotten about 1/2 dozen PMs from folks that want the tips.
Unless the sales manager is completely stupid he will see that he can get a few on his own or he can get them all !

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.....or the one. Spock I think. :D

wchain

04-20-2003, 10:31 AM

Ouch........ I know the guy in (location deleted by WolfeBros) was selling them for $130 vs the $60 from the manufacturer Cone Engineering. He is on this site and may have complained. A case of where our own 411 was used against us. Thats too bad because when I talked to him he didn't even have them in stock and was just acting as the middle man. Not a bad racket .....over double the price for no value added. Sorry for the people that didn't get a chance to order directly. I know several people bought from here at the same time. If enough people are still interested maybe we can work our own deal to continue to buy directly. I wouldn't mind heading up that effort in your behalf since I sort of got this thing started. PM me if you want to buy a set of tips w/o resonators. If we get enough interest I think that they might listen. I have an established business to order them from as well. If the vendor wants to step up to the plate and help sponsor the site thats different, I would back off. Otherwise he is just feeding off our group. I have my set. I am just thinking of the group. Thoughts anyone?

I am that person. I am sorry you feel that way. I am not out to "get" anybody in particular. If you look on my site, you will see that the price includes shipping. I am not in a Panther industry to get rich, I am trying to get Panther owners performance products at a good value. Most certainly, 60 is less than 130. I am already a sponsor on Crownvic.net, and I do not think that i am "feeding" off the group. Not one place have I posted anywhere that I sell these tips blah blah blah. There is a need out there for Marauder tips, and i am trying to meet them. Have you checked how much a set of tips are from the dealer? I believe Meg's is selling to people who are interested in buying in orders of 100 sets or more. Call Craig at Megs for more info.

I really dont feel like I deserve the :flamer:

TAF

04-20-2003, 11:10 AM

Hey I have to say I agree with you wchain. You took advantage of an opportunity to secure distributorship of these items. What you charge for them is your business and as with anything...it's what the market will bare. That's America and Free Enterprise if you ask me.

So...with that in mind...how 'bout a little sump'n-sump'n if there is a group purchase sale for ya. Another free enterprise tool is "economies of scale"....

Just a thought...your move.

wchain

04-20-2003, 11:12 AM

TAF,
funny you should mention,
I just sent Sam an Email about that. If I can help out the MM community by "hooking them up" with a sort of group purchase. Waiting on a reply from Sam.

Wes

WolfeBros

04-20-2003, 11:13 AM

I can only speak for myself here. I orignally tried to buy a set of these tips from you. Your web page did not have a phone number but did show an email contact. I emailed you inquiring about buying the tips. I was in a hurry because I was having mufflers installed. After two days without hearing back from you I decided to contact Cone Engineering directly. After I placed my order with them I did receive an email from you saying you did not have them in stock but they could be shipped from the manufacturer. Too little too late. The order was placed. I have no malice towards you and you can run your business the way you choose. Your telling me that Megs wants people to order 100 sets at a time ? I say good luck to them and you. I know of no one company or person willing to do that with the exception of Fomoco and the last time I checked they weren't selling all that many cars. It is a supply and demand issue and you have a captive audience here however there are other Megs distributors as well. I never got you out of the loop on purpose, it was a service issue with me. I welcome you as a member and look forward to your contributions to our group.:)

just read that you sent me an email. I will be glad to reply. Company here for Easter dinner........I will get back to you:D

wchain

04-20-2003, 11:20 AM

Thanks for the quick reply Sam.

I want to help in any way I can. I have been reading the board for a while, and trying to learn more about the MM, since I am a CV owner, so I am a little familiar with the Panther Platform itself.

I know there are other Meg's Distributors out there, and I am not implying I am the only one.

But like I said, I am here to learn and contribute where and when I can, and if I can help, then I will!

Thanks for the welcome. :D

Marauderman

04-20-2003, 04:35 PM

SergntMac

04-20-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by marauderman
HOLD ON HERE--HOLD ON HERE--

Just a Cotton Picking Minute!!!!!

Hey Wchain...Looks like you owe me some Money$$$$

You stated here to all --"price includes shipping.." $130 was stated as your price ..including shipping..You charged me that plus $25 extra---- Don't recall that being an extra for getting it to me on Monday.......better believe I'll check with the dealer to see if they arrive.......

Ooops...

Wchain?

Your turn, pal, and remember, we're all watching.

Marauderman, I think this confusion can smooth out, please give Wchain a chance to fix this.

Having run a web-based business myself, there are some "automatic" events that lead to "misunderstandings" that any web-business owner can trip over when starting up.

A little "space" may be in order here, just to fill the gap between your urgent need and Wchain's ability to respond to that in a timely manner.

However, a promise is a promise too, so, please keep us posted on your "step-by-step" progress, k? And remember, Marauderman, we got your back.

01 Interceptor

04-20-2003, 09:01 PM

I also sent an e-mail to the e-mail address listed on the Innovative Interceptors site. I asked about the price of the stainless MM-like tips. It only shows the price of the chrome ones. But it has been almost a week w/o a reply. I know you guys are probably busy, but a week is too long IMO.

DLoreanMARAUDER

04-20-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by WolfeBros
Oooppss......you misunderstood my intention.
I don't want you to buy them from me. I want to try and get it fixed so we (club members) can buy direct again. If they want a distributor.....I bet we could find someone who could do that. ;)
So far I have one PM......there may not be enough interest.
If I get some more people interested I will be glad to make the call to Cone Engineering to plead our case. I think its a damn good one.

I get it. Thats what I thought you intended to do. between me reading and typing too fast I got all discombobulated! ok im game! let me know what happens.

As for wchain, Its good to hear both sides of the story, although I would like to get to the bottom of this. everything just seams a little fishy, (or maybe the montauk air is getting to me).

WolfeBros

04-20-2003, 10:48 PM

To all:
I emailed and chatted online with Wchain tonight. I got his version of the story and he got mine. He wanted to make sure there was no bad blood between myself and him. I assured him that I have no bad feelings toward him or his company. He explained to me that Cone Engineering had mistakenly sold some tips to a few of the people on here at below his cost. As a distributor I could see where this might make him angry. He apparently got things straightened out with Cone Engineering and the result of this mistake is that an individual can not buy directly from Cone unless it is a mass purchase. He expressed a desire to work with the membership here. I told him that I thought we were pressing the sites vendor agreement to the limit and I did not want to violate it with talks of pricing. When I thought we were dealing directly with the OEM manufacturer I figured it was ok. Now that this has changed I will not talk about vendor prices and availabilty because it does break the vendor policy IMHO. Those that still want to buy the tips I suggest that you contact WChain off board for his price and availibilty. In fairness to all involved I feel we have whipped this horse about all we can. As far as service issues raised above.....like Sarge said the ball is in WChains court. Lets see where it goes. LML and Logan......I hope I have not strained any site rules here.

wchain

04-21-2003, 06:06 AM

HOLD ON HERE--HOLD ON HERE--
Just a Cotton Picking Minute!!!!!

Hey Wchain...Looks like you owe me some Money$$$$

You stated here to all --"price includes shipping.." $130 was stated as your price ..including shipping..You charged me that plus $25 extra---- Don't recall that being an extra for getting it to me on Monday.......better believe I'll check with the dealer to see if they arrive.......

Yes, the price of $130 dollars is for UPS Ground Shipping. You made it very clear to me on the phone on Good Friday that you HAD to have the tips on Monday. We discussed on the phone I would charge you the price of 130 plus 25 for Next Day UPS air, and whatever the additional cost, I would eat the difference in the actual shipping cost, which ended up being $74 dollars to get them to you next day air.

I Will PM you the UPS tracking number, which will tell you that it is out for delivery this morning.

SergntMac

04-21-2003, 07:31 AM

I want everyone to hold their thoughts on this topic for a short while. I also had a long exchange with Wchain, and like Sam, the misunderstandings have been explained. I'm cool with this topic, and WChain, I think every thing is or will be worked out very soon.

I have an offer from Wchain, but I need approval from site management before I will speak about it. If you're interested in unrestricted Megs tips, stay tuned to this thread.

NickLee

04-21-2003, 08:27 AM

I am interested.

gonzo50

04-21-2003, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by NickLee
I am interested.
Same with me. Thanks.

SergntMac

04-21-2003, 10:26 AM

Permission granted for a one-time opportunity on this, so, listen up. Okay here's the deal.

Wchain is the ownwer of InnovativeInterceptors.com , a new web based business trying to make it. By agreement with the manfacturer, this is the only source for unrestricted Megs tips.

The manfacturer, Cone Industries, erred in selling the tips to us direct, and they erred in pricing as well. In light of the misunderstandings that resulted, Wchain proposes a special offer to MM owners registered here.

With a minimum order, he will adjust the cost to us, which is to say that the more of us who order a set of tips, the cheaper they get. We have a one time permission to coordinate this here at MM.Net, this will be your only opportunity for a group discount on a set of Megs tips.

Even if you are not sure you will use them right now, getting a set at discount is something you should consider. Remember, there will be new members joining after this opportunity closes, and if you don't use the tips yourself, surely you will have an opportunity to sell them to a newbie.

Go to www.innovativeinterceptors.com/index/index.html and place your order. Wchain will take it from there, and you should expect a confirmation number in your e-mail. I've already placed my order @ 130 bucks a set, UPS ground shipping included (order #06801001). Keep in mind that UPS charges by size, weight and destination, and I estimate the shipping costs on a boxed set of tips to be at least 20 bucks, so, I think it's a fair price for all parties, and a generous offer from Wchain.

Wchain will determine the final price and order cut-off date. This is a good deal, that can only get better. Now get busy y'all.

Wchain, this is your hands now, good luck Bud, and thanks.

screamdennis

04-21-2003, 11:52 AM

iam also interested in ordering a set of tips , what is the discount ? i see on there page that the tips are $130.00 plus shipping . also there are several sets of tips on there page which ones are the correct ones ?

screamdennis

04-21-2003, 11:53 AM

opps how much time do we have to get our order in ?

wchain

04-21-2003, 11:57 AM

Lets say until Friday May 2, 2003....if I dont have enough orders, we will extend it. Sound good??

Wes

RF Overlord

04-21-2003, 12:18 PM

Let me ask a related question: How about those of us that like the sound of the factory tips...are they available from anyone other than Ford? When I spoke to a Cone rep on the phone some time ago, I got the impression that what they were selling was the same as the OEM baffled tip...not an "empty" tip.

Marauderman

04-21-2003, 03:48 PM

Okay folks--I have Call Wchain personnally and we have talked this over and here is the outcome---

First off--let me say I was a bit over hurried when I spoke last about IOU"s...seemed my note were all messed up --he is and was correct---and when I saw the shipped cost vs what I paid --the correlation didn't match--(my notes)..thus I over re-acted and spoke without full research...I admit I was wrong here and I personnally called West to clarify any misunderstanding there was about this issue . He and I have full understanding over this miscue and no hard feelings..

West did go and has gone again further to insure my order gets to me on time.....I want to let all here KNOW that when I'm wrong--I'm wrong and will admit it --so don't anyone of you get misled my all this..

West is and will be a fine representative for us to turn to....trust me --he wants to work with us in our favor.....after talking to him again I am more than assured of his well intentions .....so lets give him that and all the opportinunties he can handle...he deserves it...

So like Sarge said...get on the band wagon and the word out and you'll save....

enuff said...

SergntMac

04-21-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by marauderman
I admit I was wrong here and I personnally called West to clarify any misunderstanding there was about this issue . He and I have full understanding over this miscue and no hard feelings..

West did go and has gone again further to insure my order gets to me on time.....I want to let all here KNOW that when I'm wrong--I'm wrong and will admit it.

Marauderman, you're quite a gentleman to mention this and correct the record. My hat's off to you, sir, you have my respect.

CRUZTAKER

04-22-2003, 06:38 PM

WOW, this was too much. Thank god my wife kicked me off the net the other day just as I was about to make an a$$ of myself.

Boy did I save face, ended up I got so busy I did not call anyone.
And WCHAIN, I had no right to call you a "lose" before I got the story straight, atleast that was all I said. PHEW, thanks to all for working this one out while I was offline over the last two days.

Back to bussiness, I want in too. I was counting on a deal, and it looks like WCHAIN is dealin'.....I'm off to place an order.

JamesHecker

04-22-2003, 08:05 PM

Is there any downside to having the unrestricted tips?

WolfeBros

04-22-2003, 09:12 PM

None that I know of James. It gives a more aggressive exhaust note without being too loud.

screamdennis

04-23-2003, 12:27 AM

how much is the discount? or are still $130.00 plus shipping

wchain

04-23-2003, 07:45 AM

Hi guys,
what a neat group here. I am really glad we worked this out.

If you are interested in the "Group buy"

please send an email to:

Wes@innovativeinterceptors.com

so far I have:
Seargeant Mac
Cruztaker
Jason Wheeler
DLorean Marauder
Mad Man
Scott
Greg GTSR

if you need to get on this list, please email me.

Thanks
Wes

Pantherman

04-23-2003, 08:02 AM

JamesHecker, the stock tips are tuned to eliminate a passenger compartment boom many people find objectionable. For details see: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5154#post5154

KSMM03

04-23-2003, 07:17 PM

Folks,

I had bought my tips a few months ago, but have not gotten around to putting them on the car yet...my fault...work and other things have kept me from doing it....and something else I'm considering doing...

Between emailing and talking with Wes (not West, at least I don't think so...) He does really want to work with folks who own the car. During one of our conversations he let me know that while he's a distributor, its not his only job. If he had his druthers he'd love to be working with Panther owners in the auto business full time.

If this helps, and I think you've already figured it out, Wes is eager and willing to work with us as a group and Panther owners as a whole.

Now, if someone could tell me something. I've got the chip and 4.10 gears, actually have had them for a month now. The dealership I had it done at (not where I bough the car btw) suggested going to a 2.5" pipe from the cats back, and obviously different mufflers. This would cost about $500 or there abouts. At that point, I'd put the tips I bought on.

Anyone have any pro's or con's about going to a 2.5" pipes?

I'm all ears...

WolfeBros

04-23-2003, 07:32 PM

KSMMO3,
The exhaust system as it is, is pretty good. Most of the changes people have made on here have been for purposes of changing the sound and not performance driven.

If performance is what you are after......hang on.......headers and high flow cats are being developed and tested now.

If you want to improve the sound........put your new tips on.
They really add to the exhaust note.

To answer your original question I would not change the pipe diameter looking for a performance gain unless I were making the other changes as mentioned......headers and high flow cats.
IMHO

LincMercLover

04-23-2003, 07:37 PM

It's 2 1/4 now... I wouldn't expect to see any increase in power, in fact, possibly a decrease, but this is just coming from what I've seen happen to Cobras with our motor back in '01. You MIGHT gain a few horse WAY up in the power band, but torque you can probably forget and both will not make for power down low. With OHC motors, a little backpressure is a good thing.

MI2QWK4U

04-23-2003, 08:33 PM

Hello and welcome Wes,
Please add me to the list you have going. Thanks.....

Dave

SergntMac

04-24-2003, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by KSMM03
Now, if someone could tell me something. I've got the chip and 4.10 gears, actually have had them for a month now. The dealership I had it done at (not where I bough the car btw) suggested going to a 2.5" pipe from the cats back, and obviously different mufflers. This would cost about $500 or there abouts. At that point, I'd put the tips I bought on. Anyone have any pro's or con's about going to a 2.5" pipes? I'm all ears...

IMHO, every mod should be measured by 1) how much performance do you expect to gain, and 2) how much money that gain will cost you. By and large, the mods we discuss here on a regular basis, are mods that have a reasonable bang for your buck ratio. Your suggestion of 2.5" cat-back exhaust pipe has been tossed around in the past, and it seems that most agree that it's just not worth the money on a N/A MM. Here are several points to consider.

I can't imagine what you will get for 500 bucks, the custom benders I've spoken with, are 3X that. I mention this because there are no prefab H pipes on the market at this time. Our H pipe is from the CV/PI, and it's 2.0" pipe. If you want 2.25" or 2.5," you'll have to fabricate. (of course, this can change any day now.)

The difference between an H and the X crossovers is minimal, a matter of personal preference. However, having a crossover pipe is highly beneficial. The placement of the crossover pipe is critical for tuning, and for cabin noise. Pick the wrong spot, and you lose low end torque. Pick another wrong spot, you lose the ability to hold a conversation in the car. Unless you match the OEM fitting perfectly, you risk missing your target. But changing the diameter of the pipes may move the target location anyway.

If someone is willing to cut and hang 2.5" pipe, where will this benefit performance? Outlet of the cats is 2.25," you're opening up. But, the tail pipe over the rear axle is smooth mandrel bent stainless steel pipe, surely a keeper if you're smart. It's also 2.25", so, now you're necking down again, and I have to ask what's the point? The tips are 2.25" as well, so, either toss the whole OEM system, or, ask yourself what do you expect gain from 2.5" pipe in the middle.

Last thought...This is a 281 CID motor, already a bit shy on power in lower RPM. The general rule of thumb is that opening up the exhaust on any car, reduces power in the low RPMs, and builds power in high RPMs. Typically, push rod motors, maybe SOHC motors too, can afford this power swap and do see some benefit from larger pipes. However, the DOHC in the MM needs all power it now has under 3000 RPM, in fact it needs more. Over 4000 RPM, you can afford a few ponies and pounds, and that kind of goes against the rule of thumb, eh?

What I am trying to point out is that on this small block "large and in charge" automobile, your move to larger pipes would be counterproductive, unless you plan to supercharge. If so, please disregard this post.

As it was stated earlier in this thread, change out your mufflers if you want to tailor the MM sound to your liking, but the rest of the exhaust system seems just perfect for the N/A Marauder with your mods...IMHO.

CRUZTAKER

04-26-2003, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by wchain
so far I have:

Seargeant Mac
Cruztaker
Jason Wheeler
DLorean Marauder
Mad Man
Scott
Greg GTSR
MI2QWK4U

Thanks
Wes

I just want to bring this thread back to the top, in search of more go-ers.

Wes: how about a new status on the list...I am phyched for delivery.

wchain

04-28-2003, 07:12 AM

Cruz,
thats all I have for now.

Hopefully more people will read this thread.....

RF Overlord

04-28-2003, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by wchain
Hopefully more people will read this thread.....

West: I sent you a PM last Tuesday...

Before I make up my mind, the tips you are selling are the "pre-production" tips, without any baffling, is that correct?

Are the "production" tips (WITH baffles) available?

LincMercLover

04-28-2003, 07:27 AM

I never saw a price... If I saw a price, I may be on that list too.

wchain

04-28-2003, 07:38 AM

RF, I will check my PMs, I am used to havinga little flashing logo when I have PMs.

I have not set a price because I dont havce a solid head count yet. The more people, the lower the price will be.

Wes

TAF

04-28-2003, 08:12 AM

Wes,

I might be interested. Just would like to hear them first. I'll get a chance in a couple of weeks when I hook up with marauderman in Charlotte.

Right now...I love the sound of my car. With 12,400 clicks she purrrrrrrrrrssssss....don't know if I want a GROWL.

wchain

04-28-2003, 08:14 AM

The latest list:

Seargeant Mac
Cruztaker
Jason Wheeler
DLorean Marauder
Mad Man
Scott
Greg GTSR
MI2QWK4U
RF Overlord

WolfeBros

04-28-2003, 08:55 AM

LML brings up a good point.
It might be helpful if you could at least ballpark a price for these people. I have to quote qty pricing all the time.

example:
0 - 5
5 - 10
10 -15 ect......

You do have a price in mind ?
Thanks

LincMercLover

04-28-2003, 11:18 AM

^^^Exactly what I'm looking for^^^

I'll be, we actually had the same train of thought for a sec! Scarry... :D Thanks Wolfe! :up:

wchain

04-29-2003, 09:03 AM

0-10 Sets $20 Off

10-20 Sets $30 Off

20+ Sets $40 Off......

How does that sound?

Wes

LincMercLover

04-29-2003, 11:16 AM

Off of...?

wchain

04-29-2003, 11:54 AM

Off of the REtail price of $130

TAF

04-29-2003, 12:08 PM

I think that's fair dingkum, boys.

I'll add my name to the list once I hear marauderman's and like 'em.
Edit:

Sorry Wes...I forgot/meant to say thank you!

DLoreanMARAUDER

04-29-2003, 01:59 PM

we need 2 more people to order and the price will drop to $100. hey, im sure the price will go up before it goes down so DO NOT hesitate. remember, this is a ONE TIME DEAL. i know, im antzy.

gonzo50

04-29-2003, 05:07 PM

I thought that I was already on the list since I sent Wes an e-mail and he replied,:confused: maybe I should have sent him a PM. Anyway you can add me to the list from here if thats OK.

TripleTransAm

04-29-2003, 07:30 PM

If the price does hit $100, does this still include shipping? And does this take into consideration shipping to the Great White North? (now quickly becoming the Great Green North, it's about bloody time!).

LincMercLover

04-29-2003, 07:49 PM

^^^Yah, what he said!^^^

Scott

04-29-2003, 09:15 PM

I hate to sound like I don't care about the dollars, but I believe that Wes, or WCHAIN has been worked over to an extent that amazes me. I give him credit for sticking with us. Discounts take time to verify. Patience is a virtue............... I have seen nothing but effort on his part and have complete faith that my price will be fair. And "fair" is the price I want. Buyer and Seller are both happy with a "fair" price.

TAF

04-29-2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by TAF
I think that's fair dingkum, boys.

Wes... thank you!

^^^What I said^^^

He He He...I always wanted to do that, RF...

studio460

04-30-2003, 12:51 AM

Wes:

Count me in as another tip order--I only JUST saw this thread tonight!. I will PM you also. I'm assuming that we all now wait until you contact all of us who responded (presumably on the cut-off date--is it still 05/02?) and give us pricing and ordering instructions via PMs? Thanks for all your help and thanks for the MM group discount!

P.S. Can anyone volunteer a percentage increase in perceived sound/rumble, assuming a stock exhaust, when changing to the baffle-less Meg tips? . . . by combining both volume increase and increase in low-end "rumble" in your total figure, i.e. 5%, 10%, 15%, etc.?

RCSignals

04-30-2003, 01:16 AM

Is Innovative Interceptors a new site sponsor then?

martyo

04-30-2003, 03:13 AM

Hey guys: I did the baffleless tips about a month ago and originally posted that there was not much of a change in the exhaust note and that i was disappointed. I have put about 1,000 miles on since then and have really grown to like the exhaust note and think you will too. This is one of those non-performance mods that I think is worth doing. I was a little hasty in my original evaluation of the tips.

Although I got my tips directly from Cone earlier on, I think Wes is heading in the right direction price wise. I think he has shown he will be fair (and no, I have no interest in his business, I just have been curiously following this thread).

Oh yeah, I know the exhaust note is right. My girlfriend is complaining more now than ever!!

studio460

04-30-2003, 03:51 AM

So, Martyo . . .

Thanks for your post--so would that equate to say, a 5% exhaust note volume/rumble increase in your opinion?

WolfeBros

04-30-2003, 05:48 AM

Exhaust note and sound is very subjective. I changed stock mufflers and put on 18" Magnaflows. The exhaust note was deeper but the sound overall was quieter than stock. I was very disappointed. I then put on the Megs tips w/o resonators......it made a great improvement in the sound level and I now love the exhaust note. I wish I had done just the tips first to hear what that level and note would have been but I am now very happy with the sound. The discounted price is now attractive as well. Wes is stepping up to the plate and for that I am glad.:D

wchain

04-30-2003, 05:59 PM

Ok Guys,
here is the list so far:

Seargeant Mac
Cruztaker
Jason Wheeler
DLorean Marauder
Mad Man
Scott
Greg GTSR
MI2QWK4U
RF Overlord (regular tips)
Gonzo50
NBC Shooter
sprtyworty

Gentlemen, be aware that I can get you the "production" tips in this deal as well, RF overlord is ordering them. Its your pick. I am assuming the rest of y'all want the non-baffled tips.
Think you can get head count to 20 for a better hook up?

Thanks

Wes:D :D

LincMercLover

04-30-2003, 07:36 PM

I dunno... $100 for tips right now just isn't in the cards for me. If they were like $65-70 like before, then I'd be on it like stank on, well... you know. Anyway, did that $100 include shipping? I never saw?

CRUZTAKER

04-30-2003, 11:43 PM

Oh yeah, we are getting close now. I talked to Wes today. All you fellows who did not recieve an aknowledgement reply from him within a few days.....he missed your corrospondance. Click on his profile and e-mail through HIS domain, he'll get it.

I am glad so many of the regulars got together on this. I will be ready to call Wes directly next week.

Friday the 2nd is the current deadline. He said he would extend it, but why wait? We hit our order quanity to get a good deal.....spring is here...and I need new sound!!!!

Let's do it :up:

CRUZTAKER

05-01-2003, 04:48 AM

Back to the top ^^^

wchain

05-01-2003, 06:29 AM

Yes, the price includes shipping, UPS Ground. If you need other arrangements (Priority Mail, Faster UPS) I can make arrangements.

I am going to start processing orders today :)
Wes

wchain

05-01-2003, 07:26 AM

If I have not talked to you on the phone yet, please contact me via E-mail @
wes@innovativeinterceptors.com

SergntMac

05-02-2003, 03:35 PM

Having been away for a week, I took the time to re-read this entire thread, and I offer the following comments;

Wes, you are recognized to be a man of your word. I'll say thank you, but in time and over time, you will come to thank yourself for keeping your word. I hope you consider becoming an authorized vendor here at MM.Net.

Thank you, Logan, for allowing this one time buy to take place here. Speaking on behalf of others who have ordered, we appreciate your cooperation on this.

I'm pleased that this deal has worked out, and if I understand it all now, it's one set of tips for 100 bucks, including shipping of the supplier's choice. If other special shipping is required, that is at an additional cost to the buyer, yes?

It also sounds like any 11th hour orders will be accepted, but the deadline was clearly stated as 2 May, and this is clearly a one time shot, so, if you're not sure yet if you want a set, better go ahead and order a set, I am sure you can resell them to a newbie down the road, and recover your investment.

Thanks to all for your patience and cooperation, I am really happy this worked out.

Now...Wes...where's my freaking tips!

wchain

05-02-2003, 08:34 PM

Having been away for a week, I took the time to re-read this entire thread, and I offer the following comments;Having been away for a week, I took the time to re-read this entire thread, and I offer the following comments;

Wes, you are recognized to be a man of your word. I'll say thank you, but in time and over time, you will come to thank yourself for keeping your word. I hope you consider becoming an authorized vendor here at MM.Net.

Thank you Sarge, for your guidance in this issue. Hopefully I will be able to financially swing advertising here on the board.

Thank you, Logan, for allowing this one time buy to take place here. Speaking on behalf of others who have ordered, we appreciate your cooperation on this.

I'm pleased that this deal has worked out, and if I understand it all now, it's one set of tips for 100 bucks, including shipping of the supplier's choice. If other special shipping is required, that is at an additional cost to the buyer, yes?

SHipping is included. But shipping can be chosen by the buyer, I will cover UPS Ground, Priority Mail, or Fedex. If you are in a Hurry, we can make other arrangements on shipping.

It also sounds like any 11th hour orders will be accepted, but the deadline was clearly stated as 2 May, and this is clearly a one time shot, so, if you're not sure yet if you want a set, better go ahead and order a set, I am sure you can resell them to a newbie down the road, and recover your investment.

Yes orders are still trickling in, and I will let stragglers in, no prob.

Thanks to all for your patience and cooperation, I am really happy this worked out.

Now...Wes...where's my freaking tips

All tips will ship Hopefully Tuesday. I will email you with tracking numbers. (had to order more boxes for the tips).

Thanks again to all.

CRUZTAKER

05-03-2003, 06:14 AM

One last thank-you to Wes, Logan, and all participants.

I ordered mine on friday, $100 even, door-to-door.
I am satisfied, and can't wait to get welding....:up:

Thanks to all......later :burnout:

gonzo50

05-03-2003, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by CRUZTAKER
One last thank-you to Wes, Logan, and all participants.

I ordered mine on friday, $100 even, door-to-door.
I am satisfied, and can't wait to get welding....:up:

Thanks to all......later :burnout:
Ditto. Kudos to wchain for his dedication.:up:

sprtyworty

05-03-2003, 09:12 AM

Thanks, Wes.
The tips will be my first mod to the virgin marauder. the 4.10 gear is scheduled with LM next week. This a very informative site and I am having fun navigating around in here.

wchain

05-06-2003, 03:52 PM

OK boys and girls, all the tips are ready to ship...guess what, the box place is out of the usual box sizes i use! :mad2: I am going to try and hunt some down on my lunch break tomorrow.

Wes

darebren

05-07-2003, 04:29 AM

This thread is huge, but let me try to get this straight, as it seems there is a mod to buy. You guys are buying new tips, without the baffle/resonator, fine. You have to cut the old one off, and weld the new one on? just for a different sound? What would the muffler shops charge you fo rthe weld..another $100?

man, I'm not sure if I'm in on that one...seems to much like cobbling it together. Hoping for a Borla setup (headers and all) within a year.

SergntMac

05-07-2003, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by darebren
man, I'm not sure if I'm in on that one...seems to much like cobbling it together. Hoping for a Borla setup (headers and all) within a year.

Perhaps it looks that way, Darebren, but we are just pursuing a sound too, and not expecting any performance gains. A lot of us felt cheated by LM for their last minute switch, I've got a video tape here, from LM, with the original tips in place, and it's a sweet sound. Looking at the customary costs of non-baffeled tip to replicate that sound, and keep the look of the Megs tips, and this package is a deal. As for the install, there should be some change back from what you suggest. But, to each his own, eh?

Looking at the history of Borla products and their front to rear packages for other cars, I'd say you have a long wait ahead of you, but that will give you time to save up your bucks.

If you want something front to rear right now, check our Sean Hyland's web site, he's got a kit ready to go now. Headers, exhaust pipes, cats, Xpipe, mufflers, tailpipes and tips. Borla won't beat his price, that's for sure.

mad man

05-12-2003, 03:22 PM

Any one get there tips yet. and if so how do thay sound :rolleyes:

CRUZTAKER

05-12-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by darebren
What would the muffler shops charge you fo rthe weld..another $100?

Dare;

If you know the people, which many of us do....it costs maybe $20 for their time. Less if you have a buddy with a welder that enjoys making sparks.

The fellow doing my gears is gonna do it for $40. That's not bad...considering we all got a make a living.

PS: Wes said mine were on the road today.

I am goona push them out an additional 3 inches for a better look.

Marauderman

05-13-2003, 06:29 PM

Mine sound GREAT! Although some folks are not sure ( that for you Todd- ALT) guess they'll need to drive it to "hear" the difference Like a stock stang GT before the flow '40...and can't wait till they go on.

A much better growl when driving than the stok OEM pipes --my .02 worth...

Scott

05-13-2003, 10:16 PM

Pushing them out.....thanks.......now at 12AM I have to go out to the garage with a ruler.

Might be an idea.

Got mine on Monday.....shipped on Friday. My thanks to Wes and his perseverance(sp). I apprecate old fashioned customer service and I fully believe I got it.

Can hardly wait to mount these puppies.

Content in North Richland Hills

SergntMac

05-14-2003, 10:51 AM

Got my tips about an hour ago, thanks Wes. Now, it's off to the installer.

WolfeBros

05-14-2003, 01:11 PM

A Wolfebros tip of the hat to Wes.
I admit to being very skeptical at first. I am glad you stepped up to the plate and took care of my fellow associates here at MM.net

As a businessman myself I can appreciate you coming forward here to straighten things out and make them right. And I sir was wrong to think that you might not. You have my public apology and my gratitude for serving this board and its members. :up:

SergntMac

05-14-2003, 02:37 PM

You have a lot of class, Sam, thanks for showing that.

mad man

05-14-2003, 04:51 PM

Thanks wes got my tip's today now i have to catch sarge may be we can get a discount 2 car's at once. for tip's installed:D

SergntMac

05-14-2003, 05:09 PM

Umm...My tips are on the side right now, until I make other planned changes. But, I did get a few install views this afternoon, which are helpful. here's a summary of their advice...

Find a muffler shop that fabricates pipe from stock tubbing, has a pipe bender on the floor and raw SS tubes on hand. If they got that, you're in the right shop.

The inlet of the new tip will need an extension added to it, to match up with the cut of the old tip exhaust pipe. Just an inch or two, but the installer needs to know how to do this, and having a pipe bender on the floor will say they know how to fabricate. Otherwise, you'll come up short, literally, and the new extension will wind up 1 to 2 inches back under the car from the OEM placement.

Some here have considered letting the pipe stick out more, but I'd say no more than one inch from OEM, if you want to keep close to the OEM look. Any more will appear gaudy, and you will lose those tips from exposure to unfriendly driving angles. A passing snow plow will show no mercy. Also, the OEM hangar from must be relocated to the new tip, make sure it's in the same place by measuring back from the exhaust end, not the inlet end.

Gary, you may want to see if Ced's is still open, he used to be on Grand Ave., just east of Pulaski. Was a time, Ced's knew his stuff.

Just my .02c...

mad man

05-14-2003, 05:16 PM

Thanks sarge see you 17th.t shirts came today look good and dealer got my car fixed today she's back:)

TripleTransAm

05-14-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by SergntMac

Some here have considered letting the pipe stick out more, but I'd say no more than one inch from OEM, if you want to keep close to the OEM look.

Also, the distance the tips stick out from behind the car may affect the sound. Generally speaking, the further away from the car the exhaust exits, the quieter it ends up being, both inside the cabin and outside. Shorter tips will allow sound waves to resonate under the rear of the car somewhat, and that can affect the tonal quality and volume of the exhaust note.

CRUZTAKER

05-15-2003, 10:05 PM

Mine came today......nice engraving ehh?

I will install with the gears next friday. Thanks for the input on my "****hing them out" al ittle idea. I still may do an inch or so.

Cruz:burnout:

wchain

05-16-2003, 06:02 AM

Hey Everybody!
Glad that everyone was taken care of. I am getting lots of people e-mailing me again for tips.....unfortunately, this deal we just finished, I can't do economically again.... Glad everyone was taken care of, for those that missed out, I will try to work with you as much as I can.

Thanks
Wes
Future hopeful sponsor of mm.net

MAD-3R

05-16-2003, 06:16 AM

Yeah. I do wish I had the resorses to take advantage of this deal. Mine are getting torn and scrapped up with the towings.. :mad2:

Oh well, they are part of the "R&R" of the car.

jwheeler

05-16-2003, 12:35 PM

I just got the tips installed, and they sound great! It makes it growl like a big cat now! You will hear the difference as soon as you fire it up. It's got a deeper drone to it and it is definitely louder. If you are sitting on the fence, hop on over to the other side. You will be glad you did!

-J :banana2: :banana2:

RF Overlord

05-16-2003, 01:24 PM

Just got my tips this afternoon. They are exactly what I was looking for... :D

I want to thank Mr. Chain for his prompt service and for making these tips available to us...I wish all vendors were as responsive and professional as he is... :up: :up:

DLoreanMARAUDER

05-16-2003, 01:40 PM

The UPS truck just pulled up and delivered my tips. I can see a difference between OEM and the new ones just by looking in! THE LOOK AWSOME! can't wait to put them on the car. oh boy here come the mods, next call - Dennis:)

THANKS WES :up: You are the man!

mad man

05-16-2003, 04:13 PM

Mine went on yesterday:rolleyes:

Scott

05-16-2003, 11:15 PM

Got my tips from Wes 3 or 4 days after his ship notice email.

Got my tips installed today at Kinney's in Bedford TX. Without any prompting from me, they told me that anything from Cone was one of their premier lines. I was out in an hour for less than a hundred bucks.

Here is my 50 Mile / Six Hour Review

The sound change (for me) is deeper at start and idle, and a serious growl when you let off the gas. I really can't hear the cabin noise that supposedly resulted in the resonators. At my ancient 46 years, I am even more happy in pissing off all the soccer moms in the neighborhood.

Overall, with just the 50 miles, I would say that I got exactly what I was looking for. They told me at Kinney's that Flowmasters, or any of the other systems they sell would be too much for what I wanted. Any of you in Dallas looking for a muffler shop..........They get my vote.

Thanks to Wes at Innovative Interceptors. Personal contact, fair price, good service.

WOW.......I wish my wife could hear the difference

sprtyworty

05-18-2003, 08:00 AM

Installed the tips w/o resonators with a set of Ravin turbo 55 mufflers. The car sounds great!!! extended the tips 1" couldn't cover up the nice engraving. For those who have not installed there tips you're gonna love it when you do!!

gonzo50

05-18-2003, 03:31 PM

Received my tips Thursday and they look great, will install when I do the exhuast MOD from Dennis. Thanks !:D

martyo

05-18-2003, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by sprtyworty
Couldn't cover up the nice engraving.

What engraving?? Do tell.

sprtyworty

05-18-2003, 05:53 PM

The engraving is on the top (when installed) at the ends it says Megs with a nice scroll.

martyo

05-18-2003, 06:13 PM

OK, now I gotta run out to the garage........ I installed mine before they were sold by Wes and I don;t recall that they were engraved. Hmmmm......

WolfeBros

05-18-2003, 06:25 PM

Marty, Whaaaaaa ? For $xx you wanted engraved ???:confused:
Just kidding......they are engraved.:up:

martyo

05-18-2003, 06:43 PM

Too bad I am "working." Later when I need the brake I shall inspect. I hope I mounted 'em "right side up"!!

This place is worse than a girlfriend. OK, at least more distracting....

RCSignals

05-18-2003, 09:16 PM

the original tips are marked "Megs" on top as well

TripleTransAm

05-18-2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by RCSignals
the original tips are marked "Megs" on top as well

Yep, I noticed that last week when I was washing the car. Is this the case with all 2003 MMs? Or have we stumbled across yet another early/late build variation?

DLoreanMARAUDER

05-19-2003, 07:18 PM

had my tips put on today and WOW:D . I am pleased, now thats a nice growl:coolman: ! i love it, as soon as you start her up you instantly notice a difference. the greatest sound gain is under light acceleration. thought about putting flow masters on, but this is the sound i was looking for! Paid a little more than others ($200) but i've never seen my mechanic pay such attention to detail. I was there the whole time and directed him every step of the way. I ultimatly decided to have the tips stick out about an inch more and hang down about a half inch. LOOKS HOT, especially cause you can see MEGS in script. THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE!

sorry for the long post just excited:D

TripleTransAm

05-19-2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by DLoreanMARAUDER
I ultimatly decided to have the tips stick out about an inch more and hang down about a half inch. LOOKS HOT, especially cause you can see MEGS in script.

Pictures?

WolfeBros

05-19-2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
Yep, I noticed that last week when I was washing the car. Is this the case with all 2003 MMs? Or have we stumbled across yet another early/late build variation?

They all should have MEGS engraved on them. Have not heard of any that do not. Yet.

Crown Vic

05-20-2003, 08:01 AM

I have the "Meg's" tips on my car....they have a script "MEG'S" written on the top of them. I got mine from Innovative Interceptors longs with my chip and ECM.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid57/p89c11c40bf746c5b2da1315a3cfcb 1b1/fc6d971e.jpg

WolfeBros

05-21-2003, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by WolfeBros
They all should have MEGS engraved on them. Have not heard of any that do not. Yet.

Sarge says his OEM tips are not engraved. That didn't take long.
Glad I put "yet" on the end of that post.

MI2QWK4U

05-21-2003, 09:24 AM

Well, just had the new tips installed. Guy that does custom work didn't like how the factory ones sat, tucked to far back under the bumper and not sticking out enough. Basically they look straight now and they stick out about 1 1/2 inches. I can tell the difference, especially when I looked at the pix Lidio posted last night in the widened tire thread. They look better, a little more noticeable. I can tell a subtle sound difference, but still not aggressive enough for me....mufflers are next.

DLoreanMARAUDER

05-21-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
Pictures?

I will try to post some pictures as soon as the rain stops. in my opinion they look better sticking out and down a little. the stock way was just too far back and up to close, the inside of my bumper had some carbon residue from the exhaust (just a little, but even a little is too much in my opinion).

DLoreanMARAUDER

05-21-2003, 11:29 AM

Screw the rain
Heres a close up. tips extended about an inch and droped id say more like 1/4 inch. I have more in the photo gallery

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/643close_tip-med.JPG
side view (http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php?photo=237&password=&sort=7&thecat=500) welds (http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php?photo=234&password=&sort=7&thecat=500) back view (http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php?photo=236&password=&sort=7&thecat=500) top view (http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php?photo=233&password=&sort=7&thecat=500)