STS Turbo

[ezratty]

Has anyone else checked out the systems by Squires turbo. it is a pretty awesome setup. turbo in the rear, cooler temps plenty of boost. i know that they are working on a universal kit. I wonder how it would work with our marauders.

if anyone has any input chime in....


www.ststurbo.com (http://www.ststurbo.com)

[KillJoy]

I have seen one on a Camaro.

I dunno. I am VERY leary of putting my Air Filter right behind my Rear Tire. It seems a lot more crud would get to it there.

Also, I would have to think there would be a bit of lag. First the exhaust has to travel the length of the car, and then the boost has to travel back again.

Then you have to consider corosion. Unless it is all Stainless (and mabye still if it is), eventually things are gonna start to go south being in the open. Kinda like an exhaust leak, but in your intake :eek:

KillJoy

[Vortech347]

I have seen one on a Camaro.

I dunno. I am VERY leary of putting my Air Filter right behind my Rear Tire. It seems a lot more crud would get to it there.

Also, I would have to think there would be a bit of lag. First the exhaust has to travel the length of the car, and then the boost has to travel back again.

Then you have to consider corosion. Unless it is all Stainless (and mabye still if it is), eventually things are gonna start to go south being in the open. Kinda like an exhaust leak, but in your intake :eek:

KillJoy

It just looks good in car shows. The concept is cool but real world I don't like it. There is an 05 stang gt here in Utah with a fully forged shortblock running one of these kits going for 600rwhp. I doubt its gona happen...

[Zack]

They bolted one onto a stock LT1 camaro and ran 11's.
These kits are awesome.

[juno]

It looks like a nice kit. They don't have a marauder kit and last time I looked they did not have the 05 stang kit price which would be similar to the marauder. It would be worth looking into for those of you with aftermarket headers and want a turbo. I tried to guess how it would go on my car but I did not see anything I liked. I would like to see somone try it.

[djbruce26]

As another note you could always buy the universal kit and have some custom piping done by a local exhaust shop. FWIW the turbo doesn't have to be mounted that far back. You can always mount it closer (which would raise the temps a little).

[Mike Poore]

I contacted them about a setup for my F-150, and they said because of the distance from the turbo to the intake manafold, it would not work for that application. It seems to me, the long wheelbase in the MM and the resultant plumbing nightmare would mean the same issues would make it next to impossible.

[natedog1284]

I have seen one on a Camaro.

I dunno. I am VERY leary of putting my Air Filter right behind my Rear Tire. It seems a lot more crud would get to it there.

Also, I would have to think there would be a bit of lag. First the exhaust has to travel the length of the car, and then the boost has to travel back again.

Then you have to consider corosion. Unless it is all Stainless (and mabye still if it is), eventually things are gonna start to go south being in the open. Kinda like an exhaust leak, but in your intake :eek:

KillJoy

I have looked into these kits extensively and am currently working with someone to see if we can make a kit like that for our cars, since they don't seem up to the task. A lot of people have been concerned about lag, but with properly sized turbos, you can almost delete boost lag entirely, (a small turbo spools up fast but makes minimal boost, but it would help feed a larger turbo which would lag behind the smaller but produce more boostin the end, thereby producing a very broad boost curve.) Remotely mounted turbos also make the intercooler much more efficient, (which is always a good thing), and it also keeps less heat from under the hood. As long as the plumbing was made of stainless steel, the only problem left that I could see would be the filters getting dirty quickly, (never mind going through a carwash with and undercarriage wash), but I'm sure we could develop some form of shield. I personally love the setup and think this would be the only way to fit 2 turbos on a marauder. This will hopefully be my winter project, (unless I can get my hands on a deuce coupe :D).

[03slickvic]

I Will Be The First Person To Have A Sts Single Turbo On My 2003 Crown Vic(as Far As I Know). Check Out Hardcore5.0.com Check Out Power Adders, Look For Sts Turbo Kit On 03 Crown Vic. There Are Pics And Some Data That Would Interest Anyone Wanting To Copy My Set Up. It Will Be Running Friday, 9 Psi With Intercooler, I Was Lucky To Find A Great Guy At Monterey Muffler In Stuart, Florida Ask For Jim. He's The Guy To Talk To For Exhaust Work. Any More Questions Let Me Know?

[magindat]

I Will Be The First Person To Have A Sts Single Turbo On My 2003 Crown Vic(as Far As I Know). Check Out Hardcore5.0.com Check Out Power Adders, Look For Sts Turbo Kit On 03 Crown Vic. There Are Pics And Some Data That Would Interest Anyone Wanting To Copy My Set Up. It Will Be Running Friday, 9 Psi With Intercooler, I Was Lucky To Find A Great Guy At Monterey Muffler In Stuart, Florida Ask For Jim. He's The Guy To Talk To For Exhaust Work. Any More Questions Let Me Know?

I've been to monterey muffler way back in my ricer days (10+ years ago) when I lived in PSL! They have a good rep. I'd sure like to see your setup if you're ever in the Fort Pierce/Vero area!

[BigCars4Ever]

I was thinking of pulling the air from under the trunk lid where the black plastic is between the lights and the trunk opening. Would require some space from the trunk but the air box could be in the trunk making changing the filter easy too.

[94_302]

I Will Be The First Person To Have A Sts Single Turbo On My 2003 Crown Vic(as Far As I Know). Check Out Hardcore5.0.com Check Out Power Adders, Look For Sts Turbo Kit On 03 Crown Vic. There Are Pics And Some Data That Would Interest Anyone Wanting To Copy My Set Up. It Will Be Running Friday, 9 Psi With Intercooler, I Was Lucky To Find A Great Guy At Monterey Muffler In Stuart, Florida Ask For Jim. He's The Guy To Talk To For Exhaust Work. Any More Questions Let Me Know?

Sorry but someone has beat you to remote mount turbos on a vic. I don't know if they used the STS kit or not, also he did remove the kit.

http://www.svtsnake.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22379

http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1301976&site_id=1#import

[Aren Jay]

Why wouldn't you just use a front mounted system?

[juno]

There are a lot of advantages to the rear mount, especially if you have aftermarket exhaust/headers.

The exhaust gas does not have to travel anywhere, it is already there. Unlike what people think, it is the velocity of the exhaust gas that spins the turbine not just heat. On a perfect turbo system you want a nice set of headers and nice smooth bends with the first restriction you see being at the turbine wheel. It is the difference in pressure across the turbine wheel that increases the velocity of the exhaust and spins that wheel to unthinkable speeds. The time it takes for that pressure to build is less then the time it takes for you to hear the exhaust note change when you hit the go pedal.

If you 'just' wanted 450 rwhp on a stock motor a single rear mount would be nice. With a decent turbo, you can be there with just 8-9 psi and at full boost at 3000 rpm and no real exhasut mods other then the piping after the turbo. 8-9 psi is safer for our high compression motors then 12-13 psi of boost from a detonation standpoint.
The one front mount kit that was available for our cars adds a lot of large, hot piping to engine compartment.
A set of 57 mm twins back there, a decent set of headers and exhaust piping and the car should make 600 rwhp with no significant increase in lag.

I would like to see someone go for it on one of our cars!!!

[Raudermaster]

Sorry but someone has beat you to remote mount turbos on a vic. I don't know if they used the STS kit or not, also he did remove the kit.

http://www.svtsnake.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22379

http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1301976&site_id=1#import

Last I checkd, he blew them up. But yes, he was the first one TT'ed. Congrats to him since I followed his thread and he did everything himself. On a side note, there is a killer SS Camaro that belongs to Cheaters Inc. that's running an STS TT and that car is insane.

[03slickvic]

i think air to water is better for florida, plus i can pack the water tank with ice and drop the intake temp even more. colder air = more power, air to air can only take you so far, if the ambient air temp is 90 out, them you will only see about 15 - 20 degree above that at best. with water and ice i will see intake temps way under ambent temp out side. there's going to be a heat exchanger also,with a by pass valve. when iam not using ice to chill the intercooler.

[hot-rauder]

my best friend has a 99 ls1 camaro which he is outfitting the STS turbos on... it should be stupid fast but it is still an ugly car, in my opinion. he ussed to be king of the block until the marauder showed up, now he is just another cruisin partner.

i dont know if anyone has seen the HORSEPOWER TV special on the STS turbo system but they outfitted a 2006 corvette with them and couldnt have been happier... they praised it as the best turbo system on the market bue to cooling features and lack of turbo lag. however i noticed that they had to completely throwout their mufflers and only the turbos were out back. i would say not only would it be awesome on a MM, it would be down right sleeper. in my experiences with mine and my brothers MM, too many people ask me what it is and what it has under the hood... if only i had turbos?

[JonW]

I looked into the STS turbo for my Charger, but decided not to do it because of fuel management issues. I'm not a mechanic, but the theory seems sound to me, especially with the reduced underhood temps. It's hot enough under t here without adding a turbo into the mix. And the idea of the trunk-mounted air intake is very interesting.

[juno]

i think air to water is better for florida, plus i can pack the water tank with ice and drop the intake temp even more. colder air = more power, air to air can only take you so far, if the ambient air temp is 90 out, them you will only see about 15 - 20 degree above that at best. with water and ice i will see intake temps way under ambent temp out side. there's going to be a heat exchanger also,with a by pass valve. when iam not using ice to chill the intercooler.

Air to water is better for limited runs, but for hot laps or road course you still get heat sink.

Be careful with the ice. Moroso will kick you out of line if any water is dripping!!!

[sicilianmarquis]

i heard for thos systems though the boost is ver low, and to me for all that money and your getting such little boost, its just not worth it, im not to keen on the idea

[Raudermaster]

i dont know if anyone has seen the HORSEPOWER TV special on the STS turbo system but they outfitted a 2006 corvette with them and couldnt have been happier... they praised it as the best turbo system on the market bue to cooling features and lack of turbo lag. however i noticed that they had to completely throwout their mufflers and only the turbos were out back. i would say not only would it be awesome on a MM, it would be down right sleeper. in my experiences with mine and my brothers MM, too many people ask me what it is and what it has under the hood... if only i had turbos?

Was that the blue convertible with the racing stipes on the side?

[hot-rauder]

Was that the blue convertible with the racing stipes on the side?

it was indeed... i liked it. and the sound of those turbos, wow

[juno]

It's not about boost, it's about HP. Turbo's make more power at the same amount of boost. If you can reach 450 to the wheels at 9 psi, you are safer then SC cars running 12+ psi on pump gas.


i heard for thos systems though the boost is ver low, and to me for all that money and your getting such little boost, its just not worth it, im not to keen on the idea

[03slickvic]

everything is done, i will be driving it down to mustang specialty's for final tuning and dailing in on monday, i had it idling today, it sounds nasty. i can't wait to see how much power it will makes. all in all everything came togather as planned. as soon as i get it running ,i will be out at moroso wednesday night the 23rd. bring your 4v's and lets see what happens?

[juno]

Don't think I can make the 23, but maybe the next week. Can't wait to see it!!

[03slickvic]

how about friday the 25th? i think iam going to need some drag radials? hope to see anyone there?

[juno]

I hope to leave town on the 24th for the long weekend, but if I am around, I will show up.

[JonW]

Pics! We want pics!

[Raudermaster]

And a freakin' video!

[juno]

Video's of turbo cars are disappointing from a sound aspect. They make very little noise unless you have some ricer BOV or cut-out set up.

[O's Fan Rich]

Video's of turbo cars are disappointing from a sound aspect. They make very little noise unless you have some ricer BOV or cut-out set up.

Your car is quiet. That's why you could hear my exhaust.....:D :D :D

[03slickvic]

i started my car today it sounds sick, kinda loud, but i think it will quiet down once the turbo brakes in. i dont think you all will be disapointed in how my car sounds. i'll be out at moroso next week maybe wendesday or friday? if any one has a good video camera bring it along. i can only post pics on here.

[03slickvic]

what can i do about oil blowing out of the oil fill cap, i have a breather on it and when i hit boost it blows oil out of the breather cap. any thoughts?

[juno]

Get rid of the pcv and put breathers on both valve covers. Disconnect and plug any holes/tubing going from the valve covers to the intake. Change your oil every 3k.

[Vortech347]

Be vary careful. STS is local to me and one of their "model cars" has blown up 3 times and has sat in the shop for damn near a year now. The tuner says its the STS system and is trying to get them converted to a whipple. This is on an 05 stang. The main reason is that he said the car has so many variables with weather conditions and temp. If he can't get them converted to a whipple he's going to make seasonal tunes for the car. Note this is at like 10-12 psi. Tell your tuner to be VERY conservitive.

[03slickvic]

haha i already blow it up, on only 5 psi, spun a rod bearing, just bought a new motor today for 900.00 cash with 3000. miles on it. stock 2v's suck ass , hope this one will hold together longer then the last one. i only had it running for two days, before kablueeie, all the spark plugs are fine,no sign of detanation, it was making good power before it let go, iam guess around 400-450 at the flywheel. no check engine light or anything. i must say it was flying, every bit a 12.5 car when it was running.

[magindat]

how about friday the 25th? i think iam going to need some drag radials? hope to see anyone there?

I could prolly make it out on Fri the 25th!

[juno]

Wow, you broke it on only 5 psi?
How do you know it was a rod bearing?
Do you have a real oil pressure gauge?




haha i already blow it up, on only 5 psi, spun a rod bearing, just bought a new motor today for 900.00 cash with 3000. miles on it. stock 2v's suck ass , hope this one will hold together longer then the last one. i only had it running for two days, before kablueeie, all the spark plugs are fine,no sign of detanation, it was making good power before it let go, iam guess around 400-450 at the flywheel. no check engine light or anything. i must say it was flying, every bit a 12.5 car when it was running.

[03slickvic]

yea only 5 psi, the motor had alot of hard miles on it ,before i put boost to it. iam going to get a real oil pressure gauge once it running again. i order a 7 quart oil pan for it ,i think it sucked all the oil out of the pan and it cooked a rod bearing. it still runs but crappy. i should ahve it running again soon

[NTHE10s]

Have any pic or vid?

[quickcrownvic]

Last I checkd, he blew them up. But yes, he was the first one TT'ed. Congrats to him since I followed his thread and he did everything himself.
That would be me.
I blew the turbos because the charge pipes kept blowing off under boost. The car really moved at 8 psi. It had a really menacing sound also.
After that, I was driving the car and it ran to lean, busted the ring lands off two pistons...so I decided to remove the turbo system and do a motor swap. The car now has a Lightning motor.
It was a PITA doing that turbo system. If I were going to do another turbo system, It would be engine bay mounted.

[juno]

You vic guys are getting real serious!! Anyone you know put a 5.4 in a 03 style panther yet?

[03slickvic]

its all in the name of speed.

[NTHE10s]

haha i already blow it up, on only 5 psi, spun a rod bearing, just bought a new motor today for 900.00 cash with 3000. miles on it. stock 2v's suck ass , hope this one will hold together longer then the last one. i only had it running for two days, before kablueeie, all the spark plugs are fine,no sign of detanation, it was making good power before it let go, iam guess around 400-450 at the flywheel. no check engine light or anything. i must say it was flying, every bit a 12.5 car when it was running.


so is the car finished?

[RCSignals]

The car now has a Lightning motor.



what did you do about the hood?

[Raudermaster]

You vic guys are getting real serious!! Anyone you know put a 5.4 in a 03 style panther yet?

quickcrownvic just said he has an '03 L motor in his '00 CV.

[juno]

quickcrownvic just said he has an '03 L motor in his '00 CV.

Yes, but if it is an 00 it has a different style frame and front cross member.

[Raudermaster]

Yes true, my B.

[NTHE10s]

i ask because he was out cruising the streets sunday. has anyone seen pic of the kit in on his Car?

[03slickvic]

The Car Is Finished Alright, Once The New Engine Goes In ,it Will Be Running. I Am Just Waiting For The Canton Oil Pan To Show Up.I WILL POST PICS SOON.

[Raudermaster]

So wait, was it finished before, or not?

[NTHE10s]

No need to go all caps! it was just a ? and for the pics thing i was not sure if you posted them in another thread.

[sicilianmarquis]

in that case would an 03 cross member fit into a 01 frame? or cant u just do a iold pan swap?

[juno]

It's about putting a 5.4 in a MM, not an 03 cross member in an 01.

[03slickvic]

i got the new engine in and had it dynoed yesturday, it made 340 hp and 361 torque at the wheels on 9.5 psi with intake temps at 140 degrees F. check out hardcore5.0 look for sts crown vic and you will see the dyno sheet. the car blows the tired off at wot. everything had payed off thank god.

[juno]

Very nice!! When will you run it???

[03slickvic]

Very nice!! When will you run it???

maybe tonight? i dont have drag radials yet, it blows the tires off from 1-2 with the stock tires on it. i think i am just going to run it on the street for a while. it my only ride right know. also i want to kinda keep it fresh for this coming winter time when the temps are much nicer.

[03slickvic]

went out to the track last night, ran only one pass. 13.7 at 106 with a 2.2 60 foot. on street tires . it was 87 degrees out and humid ass hell. running 7.5 psi check out hardcore50 for pics of time slip.

[03slickvic]

check out streefire.net ,there's a couple of vids of the car in action. look for crown vic sts and check them.

[bolsen87]

is it possable with mods to the rear axle and drive shaft to tt and sc a marauder? stupid i know, but in theory can it be done? i got 25k coming to me and i already own a marauder. love it too, but i want more speed and better handling. sometimes i just wantto by a cobra. but the marauder is sick because its a sleeper. anyway tt sc. yes no?

[03slickvic]

is it possable with mods to the rear axle and drive shaft to tt and sc a marauder? stupid i know, but in theory can it be done? i got 25k coming to me and i already own a marauder. love it too, but i want more speed and better handling. sometimes i just wantto by a cobra. but the marauder is sick because its a sleeper. anyway tt sc. yes no?

yea you can do it , i would buy the pro turbo systems kit. it has every thing you need and it bolts right in ,check out their wed site . they make a really nasty single turbo kit for the marauder. its worth the money and it of good quailty.

[Texas Boy]

hey bro here is a video of a bone stock p71 with that same kit

i wana get this same **** for my p71

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1ZC5E6bRM&feature=feedrec_grec_index

[LANDY]

I'm still patiently waiting for a twin turbo MM to come up one of these days.

[ctrlraven]

hey bro here is a video of a bone stock p71 with that same kit

i wana get this same **** for my p71

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1ZC5E6bRM&feature=feedrec_grec_index
You do know this thread is almost four years old right? If you want a turbo you'll need to cough up a lot of money to have a custom system fabbed up.

[FormulaMarauder]

I'm still patiently waiting for a twin turbo MM to come up one of these days.


Selling my blower. I'm starting a turbo or TT project capable of over 1,000hp.
Utilizing the Boss M6010 bored/stroked 5.0 block.

This is going to be a fully streetable, full interior car if I get it right. Eventrying to maintain the A/C.