PI 3500 installed...WOW

[Brutus]

All I can say is OMFG!! What a difference. From a dead stop the rear tires are toast. I know I am echoing what everyone else has said but after my test drive I felt compelled to speak up. Mel, you are the man!:beer:

[LVMarauder]

It was really like a minor sc when i added mine, I hold do what it id would do. NO idea the car would react the way it did. WOW.

[Blackened300a]

And yet another Thread with even more reasons why I need a TC!!!!!

[Marauder.45]

And yet another Thread with even more reasons why I need a TC!!!!!

You haven't done it yet. WTF is wrong with you man:D

**** or get off the pot already:baaa: :baaa:

Like Nike says,"Just Do It" already:beer:

BTW: Congrats on your awakened beast Brutus. Have fun pulling out in the rain:banana: Hope you have a beater like I do for crappy days.:)

[Mad4Macs]

That's something I never did to the MM when I had it, but I understand why it benefits a heavy car as much as it does.
Question;
Would it be worthwhile to do the same thing with the 'Stang?

[MI2QWK4U]

That's something I never did to the MM when I had it, but I understand why it benefits a heavy car as much as it does.
Question;
Would it be worthwhile to do the same thing with the 'Stang?


I havent thought about that yet for the my 06 Mustang yet. What all have you done to your Mustang so far? We need to hook up sometime and compare Mustang notes. You arent that far, im in Macomb Twp. Perhaps we can bring the Stangs to one of the MCM events. Do you know about Lidio's Dyno Day this Saturday, May 13th? Good place to pick up some performance ideas for the Mustangs. I think its time to pick up the xcal tuner and a Cold Air kit....

[Blackened300a]

You haven't done it yet. WTF is wrong with you man:D

**** or get off the pot already:baaa: :baaa:

Like Nike says,"Just Do It" already:beer:

BTW: Congrats on your awakened beast Brutus. Have fun pulling out in the rain:banana: Hope you have a beater like I do for crappy days.:)

I know I know and thanks for the info about driving in the rain!
Not I have to think about it again lol

[natedog1284]

Hmm, seems I need to also take the plunge and buy a TC. Is the 3500 the recommended one here, or does anyone prefer the 3000?

[Marauder.45]

Hmm, seems I need to also take the plunge and buy a TC. Is the 3500 the recommended one here, or does anyone prefer the 3000?

I have been told that 3500 is good for N/A, if a S/C is in your future then a 3000 will be plenty. So I have been told.

I went 3500 and couldn't be happier. I had many reservations and researched, but with the confidence in the reccommendations from guys on this board and Reinhart. I took the plunge. With that change only, I went from a 14.56 to 13.81. That was before I tuned for the TC.

Plan on a tune afterwards. Use a vendor here and get the TC and an updated tune.

[supa_carrot]

Guys, I'm sorry about my very limited knowledge on subjects like this. Anyhow what is a TC and what does it do? Is this the same thing as a tune or a chip and what would one cost? If at all possible who ever replies to me please dumb down your answer or it will go over my head more than likely. Thanks.

[Bootlegger]

All I can say is OMFG!! What a difference. From a dead stop the rear tires are toast. I know I am echoing what everyone else has said but after my test drive I felt compelled to speak up. Mel, you are the man!:beer:
I knew it would wake your car up, like it did mine, its just hard to explain that feeling, and big time mod in a PM.. Glad it worked out for you..Enjoy, hope to see you in November..

[SergntMac]

Guys, I'm sorry about my very limited knowledge on subjects like this. Anyhow what is a TC and what does it do? Is this the same thing as a tune or a chip and what would one cost? If at all possible who ever replies to me please dumb down your answer or it will go over my head more than likely. Thanks. "TC" means torque converter.

You need to brush up on our typing shortcuts, before you explore our performance shortcuts...

[Joe Walsh]

Hmm, seems I need to also take the plunge and buy a TC. Is the 3500 the recommended one here, or does anyone prefer the 3000?

I bought an ART CARR 2800 rpm stall TC and I am VERY happy with the stall speed.
It is definitely 'mushy' off idle compared to the OEM TC, but when you brake torque it and let her rip, it is a monster!

I recently had the pleasure of burying a Mitsubishi EVO at the dragstrip.
I pulled a 1.809 second 60 foot vs. his 2.086 second 60 foot time.
I wish I could have seen his face as my 4500 lb, 4 door, auto trans, rear wheel drive American sedan slapped a holeshot on his 3200 lb, 6 speed, All-wheel drive, turbo, Japanese sports compact. I watched him in my side view mirror all the way down the track, trying valiantly to pull on me at the top end.
heh heh heh....He found out the hard way that certain American sedans are packing an all aluminum DOHC V8!:D

P.S. Did I mention that I LOVE drag racing...???

[juno]

Check out this site http://www.converter.com/ That is the manufacturer of the converters most of us use. Then hook up with one of our vendors and get one!

Excuse Mac, he's a wealth of knowledge once you get past the crankiness. :)


Guys, I'm sorry about my very limited knowledge on subjects like this. Anyhow what is a TC and what does it do? Is this the same thing as a tune or a chip and what would one cost? If at all possible who ever replies to me please dumb down your answer or it will go over my head more than likely. Thanks.

[Blackened300a]

I think we forgot to mention the fact that with the 3500 stall, it would be wise to pick up a tranny cooler, where as with the 3000 you can go without one. I think the 3000 would be good enough for me since I drive my car everyday in NYC.
Plus .07 tenth is a nice gain from stop light to stoplight

[Brutus]

I think we forgot to mention the fact that with the 3500 stall, it would be wise to pick up a tranny cooler, where as with the 3000 you can go without one. I think the 3000 would be good enough for me since I drive my car everyday in NYC.
Plus .07 tenth is a nice gain from stop light to stoplight

Good advice indeed! I got one to install after I get my intercooler mounted. I also installed An LPW Deep transmission pan. It has an internal cast boss that you can mount a sending unit in. Here is a link. I also use their cap support cover.

Linky
http://www.lpwracing.com/products.asp

[SergntMac]

Excuse Mac, he's a wealth of knowledge once you get past the crankiness. Dude, you are sad...

I have been told that 3500 is good for N/A, if a S/C is in your future then a 3000 will be plenty. So I have been told.

I went 3500 and couldn't be happier. I had many reservations and researched, but with the confidence in the reccommendations from guys on this board and Reinhart. I took the plunge. With that change only, I went from a 14.56 to 13.81. That was before I tuned for the TC.

Plan on a tune afterwards. Use a vendor here and get the TC and an updated tune. Your performance improvement is consistent with this mod, congrats. I agree that a retune may flush out even more performance, and comfort with the shift schedule, however, this advice should be reserved until after the TC install. Wait and see what's needed to bring it all together?

Moreover, I'm not sold on the "need" for an extra tranny cooler due to a higher stall speed as little as 500 RPM. I'm not familiar with this "rule" with this mod. Higher stall will generate more heat, yes, but for a very short term i.e., temp spikes from a hard launch. Again, my advice is to wait and see.

Install the TC with your stall of choice, and watch the overall tranny temps throughout the range of driving you are accustomed to on a regular basis. If temps are on the high side (200+ degrees in the pan) from normal cruising, yes, an additional cooler may be in order, and the best of them on the market run under 100 bucks and install in under 1 hour, no sweat.

Precision Industries adds that if you are shooting for over 450 RWHP, or, are a frequent drag racer (meaning like every weekend), the Stallion triple plate is more appropriate for your application. If not, the single plate is a great mod, and worth every penny. Just my .02C, carry on gents.

[fastblackmerc]

For the money why not install a tranny cooler? You'll spend less that $100 for a decent one if you install it yourself. IHMO it's cheap insurance since once of the main causes of tranny failure is excessive heat.

[juno]

Dude, you are sad...



Naahhh, just warning the new guy about your attitude so he doesn't get the wrong impression.

[Rider90]

I need to drive one of these Marauders with a 3000 or 3500 stall someday. We have a vehicle with a 3500 stall on a turbo-350 and it revs a little too high for me. Is the Marauder any different?

[Marauder.45]

I think OD makes it much more liveable.

I worried about the high revs, but the TC only makes it rev higher/faster on acceleration. Gearing makes it rev higher at cruising.

[Rider90]

the TC only makes it rev higher/faster on acceleration.
Thats what I am talking about. I'll have to find a local guy with one of these...

[Blackened300a]

Your performance improvement is consistent with this mod, congrats. I agree that a retune may flush out even more performance, and comfort with the shift schedule, however, this advice should be reserved until after the TC install. Wait and see what's needed to bring it all together?

Just curious as to what can be expected after the install with my shift schedule and what needs to be tweaked to make this mod more livable on a daily driver?

[Brutus]

Just curious as to what can be expected after the install with my shift schedule and what needs to be tweaked to make this mod more livable on a daily driver?

I didnt notice a whole lot of difference. Shifts might be slightly softer. What I really notice is when the converter locks up in 3rd gear (alot harder)

[Marauder.45]

Just curious as to what can be expected after the install with my shift schedule and what needs to be tweaked to make this mod more livable on a daily driver?

I noticed a rougher ride(rougher in the drive train, not suspension). When a new TC is installed, it throws off the load sensors. The car works fine, it just feels rougher. It is subtle, and you will really notice it when you adjust the tune after install. It will stop hunting gears under certain driving condition etc. After new tune, the car returns to stock smoothness, with new power on tap.

[RedMerc04]

I noticed a rougher ride(rougher in the drive train, not suspension). When a new TC is installed, it throws off the load sensors. The car works fine, it just feels rougher. It is subtle, and you will really notice it when you adjust the tune after install. It will stop hunting gears under certain driving condition etc. After new tune, the car returns to stock smoothness, with new power on tap.
With the New Tune are you still able to get a nice Firm (possibly tire chirping) 1-2 shift and hard 2-3 shift without getting the J-Mod/Shiftkit installed?

[Marauder.45]

Tire chirping?

Nope.

It seems a little softer than before. The mod is great, and definitely something every MM owner should look at if they seriously want some get up and go. But it has me considering the J-mod or other tranny stiffening mods.

The TC is a must for any owner needing some speed. I wouldn't go back, but now I think I need some tranny mods.

[SergntMac]

My apologies to this thread, and it's participants, but this needs to be addressed.

Naahhh, just warning the new guy about your attitude so he doesn't get the wrong impression. I had a wiseazz reply up here for a few hours, but thought about it again. Hope you do too, Juno.

Dude...Let's not do this,. Trust me, no one wins.

We'll say a lot of stupid things to each other making ourselves look real stupid to the world, the post count goes up, the views go through the roof, the moderators get pizzed, and get involved, and in the end we both get a vacation while the spectators move on to the next "war" thread. Good Lord, they do love the carnage.

And, for what? What's the point? What's your point? I have no beef with you. If you don't like me, use the "ignore" feature. It works for me, and most don't realize I have them on ignore.

I've been here a while, and I've been through just about all the slick and sticky ***** one can be put through. I've had the very best of them get into my face, into my personal business, and slander me across the web. Guess what...I'm still here. Either I have too much self-respect, or, none at all (shrug), dunno...And don't care.

I'm not interested in trading insults with you (or anyone for that matter). But, if that floats your boat, go for it. Just don't tread lightly, jump into it whole hog, 'cause I won't stop. "Move on" yourself, eh? I will.

Gents...Please continue on with the topic at hand, again my apologies for this interupt.

[sabtaj1]

I totally agree on the tune for the T/C. I recently installed a pi 3000 stall. and at first I wasnt really happy with it. I mean ya it got off the line a ton better but after that it just didnt feel right. I now have a couple tunes that are working great. it really made a big difference. I am useing xcal 2. and thanks to another member that shared his tune with me I was able to adjust my tune to match his and I absolutely love it now. I am going to the strip on saturday. I will let you know how I do. as for I have not ran my car yet couse with out the tune I was not happy. hope this helps.

[natedog1284]

I totally agree on the tune for the T/C. I recently installed a pi 3000 stall. and at first I wasnt really happy with it. I mean ya it got off the line a ton better but after that it just didnt feel right. I now have a couple tunes that are working great. it really made a big difference. I am useing xcal 2. and thanks to another member that shared his tune with me I was able to adjust my tune to match his and I absolutely love it now. I am going to the strip on saturday. I will let you know how I do. as for I have not ran my car yet couse with out the tune I was not happy. hope this helps.

Acutally it does. So, you don't need a tune with a new TC, but you should get one to make it work better, right? I have the x-cal 1, is there someone who would be able to email me a tune so I could load it on the x-cal, or would I have to go to a vendor? I plan on doing the TC, Art Carr tranny rebuild, driveshaft, and 4.10's all at the same time, so do you think one of them would be able to whip me up a tune?

[hitchhiker]

All I can say is OMFG!! What a difference. From a dead stop the rear tires are toast. I know I am echoing what everyone else has said but after my test drive I felt compelled to speak up. Mel, you are the man!:beer:

I wish I lived close to Dennis. I would have him do the TC, rear cooling mod, and the transmission mod along with installing those 410's I got sitting on the shelf!

Regards,

Dave

[sabtaj1]

I have the .xtr program for both mav2 and bmd0. for the xcal2. not sure if it would work for the xcal 1. Find out and PM me.

[natedog1284]

Will do. Thanks!

[Blackened300a]

I had spoke to my tuner and he said that the 1-2 shift will noticably soften up and that I should drive it and find out exactly what its doing, Once I make my list, Ill hand it to him and he'll tweak the lock-up schedule to make it more Drivable.
Im ordering a 3000 stall tomorrow and I hope to have it installed by next week sometime.
Ill keep you posted