How's MarauderMarc??

[Marauderjack]

Anyone heard from him after the carjacking??:confused: He may have posted but I haven't seen anything.....I hope he's OK!!

Marauderjack:burnout:

[O's Fan Rich]

Anyone heard from him after the carjacking??:confused: He may have posted but I haven't seen anything.....I hope he's OK!!

Marauderjack:burnout:

He has posted a couple of times since. Don't know anymore than that.

[magindat]

Anyone heard from him after the carjacking??:confused: He may have posted but I haven't seen anything.....I hope he's OK!!

Marauderjack:burnout:

I have spoken to him on the phone and PM. He's recovered and moving on.

[Zack]

I thought he was drunk and high and the accident was his fault.
The carjacking story was a cover up for wrecking the car.
Someone set me straight here?

[DefyantExWife]

I cant even find the thread he started about being carjacked. Did I miss something?

[MM03MOK]

I cant even find the thread he started about being carjacked. Did I miss something?It was deleted after it got derailed, as requested by Marc.

[Blackened300a]

I thought he was drunk and high and the accident was his fault.
The carjacking story was a cover up for wrecking the car.
Someone set me straight here?

Food for thought...


If the perp has a gun to his head I really dont think the perp would be wearing a seatbelt in all this action. Which makes it hard to swallow that the perp simply got out of a mangled car and fled since Marc was seriously injured.
Also when a car wipes out, chances are there will be about 10 people pulling over to make sure you are alright, Thus getting a glimpse of the perp fleeing from the car.
He never said what seat the perp was in, but since he was able to Grab the steering wheel and roll it, Id say right next to him. Now Marauders dont have passenger keyholes, so if the perp is in the car he had to come through the drivers door which Im sure would have been fairly noticable while you are walking up to the car. Giving the Benefit of the doubt, if it was dark,he broke a window,the perp had a key, or knew the keypad code, When you open the door, wouldnt you notice someone in the car when the interior lights come on?? Especially if they are in the passenger seat??? Marc is over 6ft tall so his drivers seat has to be rather far back, Now for someone to be hiding in the backseat on the floor, the seats would have to be moved all the way forward. This would have been noticable if I just drove my car to a resturant and I had to slide the seats back when I getting back in my car after dinner, Sliding the seat back would have crushed the guy if he was hiding on the floor.
Now lets say he was carjacked. He was alone so he clicked the keypad once and opened his drivers side door, which means all the other doors are locked, Then as you drive all the doors lock anyways. How would someone get into the car while he was driving?? Unless Marc had all his windows open and someone approached him? or is he just plain dumb and started picking up Hitchhikers?
What is he doing with a 9MM?? I dont think hes a LEO? If he really had one, he may have thrown the gun away before the police came and then used the excuse that a "perp" had a gun and dropped it if they found it somewhere.
I wanted to believe him but too many holes to make this story float.

[Tallboy]

I thought he was drunk and high and the accident was his fault.
The carjacking story was a cover up for wrecking the car.
Someone set me straight here?

Well, the arrest report says careless driving, narcotic equipment possesion and/or use, and driving with a suspended license. According to some of our fellow SSM members who happen to be in the law enforcement business, if there was a carjacking, there would be no careless driving charge. The Palm Beach Sheriff's office also shows he was arrested for driving with a suspended license last August. This lines up with his "I left my license at home" story not too long ago, when some east coast guys went to the track and he was not allowed to race because he couldn't produce a valid license. Two of our members [both cops] checked the carjacking story out and declared it bogus. It would appear he's lied to a lot of people and had the thread nuked in an attempt to avoid embarrassment.

Now, he's on a local Mustang site telling the members there his car ran 12.2 in the 1/4 mile. :bs:

[SergntMac]

"12.2" eh? In a ProCharged Marauder that doesn't have all it's parts? Oh, come on already...Tis sad...Puts a dent in the friendship/trust thingy here.

OTOH, dents can be repaired. If Marc wanted to fess up and clean the slate, I don't think anyone here would object. But, he's got to knock off the story telling and just be himself, and it doesn't look like he can.

[jstevens]

what a frick'en idiot. Nuff said.

[Rider90]

I missed the rest of his thread, I didn't know about all this investigating.

Blackened300a - great post and good questions!

C'mon Marc, you have to be reading this thread...You posted today 06-16-2006 @ 12:34 PM...

[LVMarauder]

you guys are merciless, he lost his marauder, thats bad enough.

[Petrograde]

wow,... I missed the whole thing.

[Bradley G]

^^Me 231...

[sailsmen]

What is he doing with a 9MM?? I dont think hes a LEO?

Most gun owners are not LEOs. I have owned guns since I was 10 years old. Even brought one to school for a class project.

Free one handed 75' w/ 45ACP
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/showimage.php?i=3226&c=3&userid=672

[DefyantExWife]

was the new / first baby a lie too ?

Unfortunately, this is very common on the net. People make up wild stories about themselves, their jobs, their families, their LOOKS... I believe very little of what I read and see.

[O's Fan Rich]

OTOH, dents can be repaired. If Marc wanted to fess up and clean the slate, I don't think anyone here would object. But, he's got to knock off the story telling and just be himself, and it doesn't look like he can.

I agree Mac, bygones be bygones just clean up and stand up. Hope he's well is all.

[Hotrauder]

Marc has always struck me as a nice young man. I don't know him well but have talked with him and his lovely wife and both before and after the beautiful baby. I had the pleasure of playing with the baby and doing carriage duty at the SSM picnic. I have been worried about his family because of the chances he seems to take and talks about here. I am really worried now and hope that this all works out ok. Marc, let me know if there is anything Penny and I can do to help you and Sweetpea. Dennis

[SergntMac]

I missed the rest of his thread, I didn't know about all this investigating.

Blackened300a - great post and good questions! Yes, good questions, but a better summary of where the original thread left you...2+2 doesn't equal 5.

Actually, it's not much "investigation" at all. In the previous thread, started by Marc himself, he gave us a lot of detail that just didn't add up. If you could read it again, you would agree.

Any "investigation" of his facts as he stated them, was a natural by-product of that which he gave us, not adding up.

It's all history now, and in Marc's hands. He can fix it, or let us pass-by.

[jimlam56]

wow,... I missed the whole thing.

Sorta like I felt on "My last post":confused: :confused: :confused:

[kj31067]

what a frick'en idiot. Nuff said.




i concur .........dont make up a tale... let it rest at "i had an accident" i m sorry but this guy is a gutless turd!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tallboy]

Anyone who would like a copy of the original thread in it's entirety need only to pm me your e-mail address.

I'll happily send it to you.

[jstevens]

Maybe he'll come on and straighten out this mess.

[RR|Suki]

Oh dear.... that's all I can say about this

[DEFYANT]

Something didn't smell right in the original thread. I never returned after my post in it.

What a shame.

Yo' Marc... if you got the balls to come back here and set the record straight, I think most of us could except you back into the fold.

You could call it one step closer toward complete recovery. And this community trust needs a dent repaired.

Blackend300A, that was some good statement analysis.

[MarauderMarc]

You know, its really funny how people can jump on a band wagon and think they know everything about everybody. I realize that people have nothing better to do than talk crap about someone. I know what happend...I was there, nobody else was besides the perp. The situation was odd, strange, and I admit hard to believe. So to answer some of the crap that was said, here ya go.

Why did I have a 9mm? Because its Florida, and the law says you can. After a close call after I moved here, I went to the gun show and bought one. Nothing illegal anbout that.

Wheres the perp? I asked the Captain at the State Troopers office the same question. His answe was this: "It is possible that he was ejected and landed on soft ground" So I asked how in the hell was he able to get away? answe: Well if you were facing over 25 years for kidnapping, wouldnt you run with all the adrenaline, even if you had, say, a broken arm, ribs and such? That made sense to me, so I didnt challenge it.

Couldnt you see him in your car? No..my car had 2% limo tint all around. With a 1000000 candlestick spotlight it was still hard to see into my car at night, let alone daytime.

Why, then, were you booked? Okay, well now that everybody knows my dirt, Ill tell you. I was pulled over in August for speeding. A check on my license came back suspended. News to me. So technically I was under arrest because thats a misdemeanor. That gives probable cause to search my car. In my trunk I had a marijuana pipe, so they arrested me on possesion of paraphanelia, or "narcotic equipment" as the charge stated. I bailed out in an hour. Turns out, a fine (property code violation) wasnt paid in full and that was the reason for suspension. The court gave me some time to get everything validated and I was supposed to go back to court in April. My grandfather passed in April and I blew off the court date. At that point I couldnt think of anything else. So when I got home, I had a letter in the mail stating a warrant was issued for failure to appear. I called the court andthey said the best thing was to post bail and get a court date. That or mail a letter to the judge asking for a date which could take a few weeks. So I went to a bail agent and paid my bail. They said Id still have to go through booking, which could take 8-12 hours. Well I work 6 days a week, so I was planning to do it on a Sunday. The incident was 5 days prior on Tuesday, so technically, there was a warrant still out, even though I paid my bail through an agent. After I refused medical attention because at the time I was feeling no pain, they informed me I had a warrnt and HAD to take me in. Since my bail was already paid, I got right out. By then I was feeling lots of pain. I went to the ER and after Xrays and CT scans, they admitted me for 2 days for a torn spleen and deformed appendix.

His wife having a baby was all a sham.....excuse me? Practically the entire SSM has met me, my wife, AND my son, thank you.

He had a problem at Moroso one night because he didnt have his license. Indeed I did. My license was at home because I had to take it out to give to my wife due to us changing our insurance carriers. I had been to Moroso many times before and many times since.

"hes on a Mustang site saying his Marauder did 12.2s" Well according to a Gtech meter my 1/4 mile ET was just that. From what I understand they are pretty accurate. Did you ever ride in my car once all was in and installed? It was a BEAST! That thing had so much power it was ridiculous. A few members have had rides in it. The most common response was in the subject of how scary fast that car was. When I was N/A, My best track time was a 13.8 before my dyno tune. After the tune, it was faster than before and was probably a mid to low 13 second car. Now with the Supercharger it only made sense that I was pushing low 12s.


Also by now youre saying "marijuana pipe?" OMG, hes a drug addict. I admit, I hit the reefer here and there, but thats it. If you had my migranes, youd understand better. Yes, pot is illegal. I know that. But I will say that alot of people do it, alot do not. I know of many "upstanding members" on this site that indulges as well, and youd never even know it. Point is, its minimal compared to being a crackhead and giving handjobs on the corner to support your habit. And no I was not under the influence of anything at the time of the incident. Dont you think if they had suspected it there would have been a DUI charge? I love how everyone assumes I was drunk and driving like a maniac.

I now realize that being a live wire around here has made me vulnerable to attacks by a few of you. Yeah, i did burnouts and donuts in parking lots after meets, but so what? Thats in a closed parking lot. I took good care of my car and drove good on the streets. That doesnt mean I never mashed it, or turned down a drag race, but there was nobody else in harms way but my own. I am a conservative driver compared to some of the threads Ive read. There have also been some personal conflicts between myself and other members. Now they use this opportunity to attack me and use their dirt to their advantage. Tallboy, get off it. Arent you a little old to be wasting your time on someone who you dont even know, let alone who lives clear on the other side of the peninsula as you, boy? If you have a problem with me, drive your sorry butt here to Jupiter and talk trash to someones face for once. Your nickname should be "internet toughguy". Either that, or youre http://www.southfloridastangs.net/sfsforum/images/smilies/new/supergay.gif and in love with me. Youre only strong point is that you pick fights that are unnecessary. Like how you attacked a vendor and drug it on on another site. Pathetic. Nothing better to do but feed off negativity. Was your childhood that messed up that you get off being a gossip queen? Compensating for something? You left out that the SSM LEOs are the same people you stabbed in the back with all your trashtalking just so you could make a few $$$. The only thing "tall" is your ego.

Honestly, I dont care anymore who believes me and who doesnt. I have a Wife, kids, job, family, and my own personal life to worry about. There are people who KNOW me on here, and they have given their support. In fact, I have a few close friends from here. You say its hard to believe, well I agree. But even the cop said that isnt too far out of the ordinary. Questionable, yes, but possile? Absolutely. I have nothing to hide. I still have nightmares, flashbacks, anxiety attacks, ect. about the entire incident. In fact, I have seeked out therapy because of it. Now I have to put up with this. Even though the incident is over, I still dont have my Marauder. After all the time, sweat, $$$, stress, ect., its all gone. I got 21k for it, and broke even with what I owed. The $15k+ that was in it is gone. But Im alive and thats what matters. I bought a 2001 Mustang GT 5spd fully loaded and with only 50k. Ill get another Marauder someday...Ill probably find a garage queen with little miles on it when the Stang is paid off and go from there. So for those who dont like me, well no need to worry, I will not be around that much. I might post once a month if at all. So before you go and try to make me the center of your negative attention, dont bother, its a waste of my time so I wont "bite" onto your antics. For those that know me and support me, thank you. Its nice to see that there are mature adults on here. And for those that have expressed their unconditional support that have never met me, thank you. Being a lemming does no good. The Marauder was a great experience and I will never love a car as much as I loved that one.

[merc6]

D@#n that sux...

[MarauderMarc]

Food for thought...


If the perp has a gun to his head I really dont think the perp would be wearing a seatbelt in all this action. Which makes it hard to swallow that the perp simply got out of a mangled car and fled since Marc was seriously injured.
Also when a car wipes out, chances are there will be about 10 people pulling over to make sure you are alright, Thus getting a glimpse of the perp fleeing from the car.
He never said what seat the perp was in, but since he was able to Grab the steering wheel and roll it, Id say right next to him. Now Marauders dont have passenger keyholes, so if the perp is in the car he had to come through the drivers door which Im sure would have been fairly noticable while you are walking up to the car. Giving the Benefit of the doubt, if it was dark,he broke a window,the perp had a key, or knew the keypad code, When you open the door, wouldnt you notice someone in the car when the interior lights come on?? Especially if they are in the passenger seat??? Marc is over 6ft tall so his drivers seat has to be rather far back, Now for someone to be hiding in the backseat on the floor, the seats would have to be moved all the way forward. This would have been noticable if I just drove my car to a resturant and I had to slide the seats back when I getting back in my car after dinner, Sliding the seat back would have crushed the guy if he was hiding on the floor.
Now lets say he was carjacked. He was alone so he clicked the keypad once and opened his drivers side door, which means all the other doors are locked, Then as you drive all the doors lock anyways. How would someone get into the car while he was driving?? Unless Marc had all his windows open and someone approached him? or is he just plain dumb and started picking up Hitchhikers?
What is he doing with a 9MM?? I dont think hes a LEO? If he really had one, he may have thrown the gun away before the police came and then used the excuse that a "perp" had a gun and dropped it if they found it somewhere.
I wanted to believe him but too many holes to make this story float.

BTW, the perp was in the back seat hiding. How he got in? Either I left the doors unlocked (which I have done from time to time) or the door lock was picked. Once I left my keys in the car and the battery died, so my keypad didnt work. It took the locksmith 5 SECONDS to get my door open. Being that the Marauder is #8 on the most stolen list in America, maybe taking my car was in his game plan? Maybe he thought I had some money? I dont know, Im not a carjacker. When he told me to take an exit and I challenged the idea, he reached over and jerked the wheel while yelling obscenities. The sudden jerk made my car fishtail, I lost control, spun off the freeway, and rolled down the embakement 4-5 times. All 4 windows were blown out. He could have been ejected after the 1st or second roll. I do know that the shoe that was at the scene wasnt mine. Even after I got out of my car, which was upside down, I managed to run a block away thinking the perp was still after me. Plus I was delireous, and had 100 gallons of adrenalin pumping through me. I never felt pain until like 2 hours after.
Why would I hide my own gun? It was registered to me and my wife. Again: FLORIDA LAW ALLOWS INDIVIDUALS TO CARRY LOADED FIREARMS IN THEIR VEHICLES AS LONG AS IT IN A LOCK BOX, GLOVEBOX, OR TRUNK. IT CAN EVEN HAVE ONE CHAMBERED. ITS CALLED THE CASTLE DOCTRINE. I DARE SOMEONE TO SAY ITS NOT TRUE. As a Floridian, I have that right. That may not be the law in your state, but do some research before you think you know everything.

Im done with this.

[BigMerc]

Well Mac will tell you as will other LEO's. when you see as many crimes as we do, one thing stands out. They are all different but they are ALL the same. Thats why its so easy to detect a faked Burglary, this is your first burglary you faked but its not the first burglary we've seen.

I read your first post when you posted it and I smelled a rat. but why say something, thats your story for whatever reasons you have. But seeing several "carjackings" I can only say yours does not follow the same pattern. I'm sure the guys on scene said the same thing to you.

So whatever you say is ok, but remember there are some here who are a bit jaded and this ain't their first time at the rodeo.

[MarauderMarc]

Well as Mac has always said "to each his own...carry on, gents, eh?"

[Tallboy]

. Tallboy, get off it. Arent you a little old to be wasting your time on someone who you dont even know, let alone who lives clear on the other side of the peninsula as you, boy? If you have a problem with me, drive your sorry butt here to Jupiter and talk trash to someones face for once. Your nickname should be "internet toughguy". Either that, or youre http://www.southfloridastangs.net/sfsforum/images/smilies/new/supergay.gif and in love with me. Youre only strong point is that you pick fights that are unnecessary. Like how you attacked a vendor and drug it on on another site. Pathetic. Nothing better to do but feed off negativity. Was your childhood that messed up that you get off being a gossip queen? Compensating for something? You left out that the SSM LEOs are the same people you stabbed in the back with all your trashtalking just so you could make a few $$$. The only thing "tall" is your ego.



A little old? I feel old at times, does that count? I never had a problem with you until I got a pm from my friend in California. You'll notice I kept that bewteen us, and never said or word or attacked you publicly. I see you did not return the courtesy. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Pick unneccessary fights? Not usually. Gossip queen? You'd better hope not. If I decide to share all my info with the general public, then you can call me that.

Stab people in the back to make a few bucks? This is maybe the biggest misconception you're trying to perpetrate. I'm going to use this example because I can do it without being a "gossip queen". I have never, never, taken one dime from any work I have ever done on any Marauder anywhere. All those blower installs? I've never taken a nickel for any of 'em. Sure, the money's been offered, but I have never taken a cent. I do this because I love to do it, not for the money.

You are, however, right about one thing: I'm in love with you. :lovies2: :marauder:

[Blackened300a]

Speculation started when we read the first thread you posted explaining the issue. There were quite a few holes in the story and led us to believe that something was fishy.
It didnt help your story when a police report was posted that didnt show the event you had described, then you had the entire thread deleted, and remained silent with any other convincing info.
These elements start Speculation.
I do feel bad for you since you lost you car and was injured.
We just wanted to know why things didnt line up in your story, not create a personal vendetta against you.

[Marauderjack]

Well......

I certainly didn't realize I would open such a can of WORMS....I was just concerned about Marc since I had not heard from him lately!!:confused:

Glad you are OK Marc and whatever happened I'm certain the whole thing was (is) an absolute nightmare......I wish you well in moving forward!!:burnout:

Moderators......Please close this thread as nothing good is coming from it now!!:shake:

Marauderjack:o

[jimlam56]

Well......

I certainly didn't realize I would open such a can of WORMS....I was just concerned about Marc since I had not heard from him lately!!:confused:

Glad you are OK Marc and whatever happened I'm certain the whole thing was (is) an absolute nightmare......I wish you well in moving forward!!:burnout:

Moderators......Please close this thread as nothing good is coming from it now!!:shake:

Marauderjack:o

I second this motion. Nothing good can come from it.

[O's Fan Rich]

Marc, what happened to your car though?
Any parts? Is it your's or the Insurance Co"s.
Motor? Blower? Tranny?

Just askin' cause even if you did screw up abit, this is a learning experience. I flipped a car on it's roof at over 100mph when I was 25, the night before Michelle, me and the 3 kids were to move into our newly built home.
I was racing... I lived... I learned big time.
Thank God.
Best to you and your's.

[Smokie]

I met Marc, his wife and baby...yes the baby is quite real. Marc is the one that climbed the tree to take panoramic views of our cars.

I have no idea what the "real truth" is; frankly I am only concerned with the well being of families, nothing else really means crap, family is everything.

To Marc: take care of yourself, wife and baby. Nothing else is more important, some of us feel that what we have created here is an extended family and we help each other. Marc everything we do here is based on the trust that what we WRITE is the truth, because we rarely get to see each other face to face.

I know that reality gets a workout here when it comes to cars and what they do, when it comes to the personal events of our lives it must be 100% real not just merely close, if it's too personal you don't post you talk to a trusted friend.

Marc, IF you violated our trust, mend fences, always tell your family the truth, if you cannot, remain silent.

To those that feel outraged and pissed off because you have already judged Marc and find him not worthy....back off, take a deep breath and asked yourselves: "did I ever screw up ???" Has anyone given you a second chance to do the right thing???

Have a great weekend all.

[Petrograde]

Everytime a thread gets interesting somebody wants to close it..

:P

[DefyantExWife]

Everytime a thread gets interesting somebody wants to close it..

:P

here here :rolleyes:


I think everyone has formed their opinion in the matter, and honestly it doesnt truly "matter" at all. Doesnt affect our lives whether Marc is lying or not; just take your opinion(s) and go forward accordingly.

I dont know what I believe, what I believe is that Marc's car got smooshed and somehow he walked away. As far as wondering, in the midst of all the questioning, if his having a first child this year was also in question.... sheesh... was jes' axin. :rolleyes:

Happy Father's Day ! Maybe MMOK will entertain us all with some more Muppet Porn today. :D

[Cobra25]

I believe some of you have taken this a little too far. If you believe Marc or not doesn't matter at this point any more. He has Suffered enough already with his injurys and the loss of his car. Some of you guys need too move on with your life, their is more important things than this, if not I feel sorry for you. None of us is perfect, I've made mistakes in my life as I'm sure most of you have too. Everyone needs to get over this and move on.

[TooManyFords]

you guys are merciless, he lost his marauder, thats bad enough.

And screwed me out of $247 in shipping charges... Let's not forget that he's screwed at least three members here...

I'll forgive and forget when he pays me my money.

No Cheers.

john

[SergntMac]

"There's a million stories in the Naked City, this has been one of them".

Famous line from a '60s television program, but true nonetheless. Marc has my respect for coming back and sweeping up after himself. Bravo, Marc.

However, Marc used his opportunity to counter attack those who questioned his facts, or, added additional background and this was disappointing to me. Calling it gossip, well that it may be. But, none of this would have become the proverbial "can of worms" had Marc not laid it in our laps to begin with. We didn't start anything, he did.

Some of us enjoyed the subsequent drama, some of us stuck by Marc in the face of overwhelming odds. It's always going to fall out this way. One of us cited the importance of family over the car (or the club) and I whole-heartedly agree. But, this is a family issue, and not just Marc's family. It's our family too.

I was very upset with Marc when his story began to stray, and even more angry when additional facts came to light. I felt used and I didn't like that, and all of this served to undermine the trust we all share in here. I cannot stand-by and watch a train wreck that could give us all pause in what we do for each other because we are family.

What is it that causes us to get into our cars and drive hundreds of miles to shake hands with each other? What's going on that causes us to call each other and chat for hours on the telephone? Ship parts without question, drive half a state in a half a day to help someone tune a car, install a supercharger, or just have lunch. Hell, the most touching thing that has happen to me, has been another member here called to say "I'm going over to the east side, I can stop by your dad's grave if you like". Astonishing. Magic.

Marc *****ed up, yes. But, Marc has owned up too, at least in part. This could have been any one of us in a weak moment. To those of us who have had the courage (or b*lls) to post here, I say let it ride. We have done the best we could to fix the dent, just have to live with the scratch. Let us drift away from this mess with a promise not to let this happen again. No stories means no detective work, yes?

We don't need anything closed or nuked, we just need to move on.

[SergntMac]

One other thing...Marc, if you owe anyone money, fix that, K?

[MarauderMarc]

And screwed me out of $247 in shipping charges... Let's not forget that he's screwed at least three members here...

I'll forgive and forget when he pays me my money.

No Cheers.

john

Really John...do you want me to add that the "complete kit" you advertised was and shipped me was nothing near complete? The lack of instructions, mounting brackets for the intercooler and radiator, the missing bolts, spacers, o-rings, unplugged holes, ect., ect., that made a simple 8 hour job a 2 day, 100 man hour , job that costed me over $500.00 dollars EXTRA to make it work and run right. 4500.00 total for a used, incomplete kit when you can get one new for 3995.00. Simple pleadings with you, john, went nowhere because you were so closed minded about working with me. Yeah, I didnt pay you the shipping. I also feel that when you offered FREE shipping and I opted to have 3 day select, why didnt you charge the difference between UPS ground and 3 day? Whats wrong, are you over your head with your new project? I was willing to meet you half way and pay you half the shipping since we didnt see eye to eye, but you were too stubborn and wanted every penny. Selfish.

4 members helped me install the kit. They will back up everything I said. My learning experience was to never buy a used multi piece part.

[MarauderMarc]

Marc, what happened to your car though?
Any parts? Is it your's or the Insurance Co"s.
Motor? Blower? Tranny?

Just askin' cause even if you did screw up abit, this is a learning experience. I flipped a car on it's roof at over 100mph when I was 25, the night before Michelle, me and the 3 kids were to move into our newly built home.
I was racing... I lived... I learned big time.
Thank God.
Best to you and your's.

The car is gone. I went to this indoor storage facility in Boca to get whatever parts I could and I didnt recognize my car. There were only 7 cars in this facility and 4 were Mustangs. It was hammered. It was sad. I was able to get the Procharger headunit, intercooler, MAFia, Lightning MAF, 90% of all the piping and rubber elbows and such. Surprisingly, the blower was un touched. The intercooler has a couple cosmetic dents, but works. Im still deciding If Ill put them in the Stang, or sell it all to get $$$ for a handful of bolt ons and get a blower later. Its the insurance companies car. They wanted too much. Id love to drop a Marauder engine in the Stang. I miss the 4 valve. I have pics of the new and old car...Ill post soon.

P.S. 1800.00 for all the parts if anyone is interested. (plus shipping)

[Leadfoot281]

FWIW, I'm getting sued.

I once called a dirty, lying, cheating, woman beating, bum, a.... dirty, lying, cheating, woman beating, bum! Now I'm getting sued for "hurting his good charecter".:rolleyes:

For every dollar that career criminal, low-life, bum spends on lawyers, I spend ten. That's because while that ********* has nothing to loose, I actually do.

Folks, you need to be very carefull what you say, and how you say it!

This low-life, mother slapping, woman beating, check bouncing, bag-o-feces can sue me all he wants. Of course, that doesn't mean he'll win. But it does mean, for me at least, that I'm going to spend a huge pile of dough defending myself. I haven't spent "six figures"....yet.

My guess? If (if) MarauderMarc was as dirty and mean as the charecterless bum I'm dealing with, some of you'd be getting letters from a real cheap and "hungry" lawyer. Then (like me) you'd be placing calls to the expensive ones.

And unlike the human excrement I'm dealing with, MarauderMarc sounds like he might actually have a charecter to "hurt". Just some food for thought...

[juno]

Again Marc, best of luck to you and the family. Enoy the stang. If you do decide to Procharge it let me know. When I get mine ready we can meet at the track and then go for burgers and beer at Blondies.
BTW, I still have a car cover in excellent shape for the stang. PM me if you want it.

[Cobra25]

And screwed me out of $247 in shipping charges... Let's not forget that he's screwed at least three members here...

I'll forgive and forget when he pays me my money.

No Cheers.

johnLets talk about the truth , #1 You told him it was a complete kit, it wasn't , 4 of our Members were their for the install and their was so many parts missing it wasn't funny. # 2 It cost him alot of extra money and time that you didnt offer to repay him for. So the bottom line is you really owe him money not he oweing you money. Maybe you should get the facts straight before you start posting things that will only make you look bad in the end . The Fact is if you didn't screw him and you gave him all the parts ( Complete Kit) you would of got paid the shipping charge's.

[TAF]

Who wants some?
http://www.candydirect.com/images/web/205-AA_prod.jpg

[BigMerc]

I believe some of you have taken this a little too far. If you believe Marc or not doesn't matter at this point any more. He has Suffered enough already with his injurys and the loss of his car.


Thats what wrong today nobody is held responsible for their actions. "aww let him off " "poor guy". I say CRAP!!!!!!


He stepped up and lied, made a big story and now he is paying for it with a loss of credibility to virtually everyone who knows him. HE"S RESPONSIBLE!!

Don't let someone off because they got called on it. Smack him around and I betcha, the ease he had in lying the first time, won't come so easily next time.


Make everyone responsible for what the do. It'll make it better for everyone.

[nomad]

Who wants some?
http://www.candydirect.com/images/web/205-AA_prod.jpg
I'll take a bag!:D
This is better than any movie on cable right now!:beatnik:

I love this thread!
:lol:

[TAF]

I'll take a bag!:D
This is better than any movie on cable right now!:beatnik:

I love this thread!
:lol:


Here's a handful...I got to go to the snack bar for some more....I'll grab you a bag...and a Diet Coke

http://www.georgehowe.com/images/Candy/malted-sml.jpg

[nomad]

Here's a handful...I got to go to the snack bar for some more....I'll grab you a bag...and a Diet Coke

http://www.georgehowe.com/images/Candy/malted-sml.jpg
Diet Coke!!!

Uh, no thanks.

See if they have any Heineken!!:banned:

[TAF]

Diet Coke!!!

Uh, no thanks.

See if they have any Heineken!!:banned:

Sorry...non-alcoholic show (enough "contraband" already in this thread) how 'bout a Nehi....or a Yoo-Hoo?

[O's Fan Rich]

This thread deserves a Coke Zero.....

[kj31067]

Thats what wrong today nobody is held responsible for their actions. "aww let him off " "poor guy". I say CRAP!!!!!!


He stepped up and lied, made a big story and now he is paying for it with a loss of credibility to virtually everyone who knows him. HE"S RESPONSIBLE!!

Don't let someone off because they got called on it. Smack him around and I betcha, the ease he had in lying the first time, won't come so easily next time.


Make everyone responsible for what the do. It'll make it better for everyone.


yup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jstevens]

Thats what wrong today nobody is held responsible for their actions. "aww let him off " "poor guy". I say CRAP!!!!!!


He stepped up and lied, made a big story and now he is paying for it with a loss of credibility to virtually everyone who knows him. HE"S RESPONSIBLE!!

Don't let someone off because they got called on it. Smack him around and I betcha, the ease he had in lying the first time, won't come so easily next time.


Make everyone responsible for what the do. It'll make it better for everyone.

Exactly, couldn't have said it any clearer.

[Cobra25]

Thats what wrong today nobody is held responsible for their actions. "aww let him off " "poor guy". I say CRAP!!!!!!


He stepped up and lied, made a big story and now he is paying for it with a loss of credibility to virtually everyone who knows him. HE"S RESPONSIBLE!!

Don't let someone off because they got called on it. Smack him around and I betcha, the ease he had in lying the first time, won't come so easily next time.


Make everyone responsible for what the do. It'll make it better for everyone. You are intitled to your opionion as I am too. Some people like him and some don't. Some people believe him and some don't. But the bottom line is this: NONE of us was their too see what happened to him , so what everyone is just doing is forming their opionion, which is ok but be careful of what you write and how you write it.

[SergntMac]

But the bottom line is this: NONE of us was their too see what happened to him , so what everyone is just doing is forming their opionion, which is ok but be careful of what you write and how you write it. Got ya...CC MarauderMarc too, K?

[DefyantExWife]

Speaking of muppet porn, I think I have a picture of Miss Piggy with her ninny sticking out somewhere in my bag of tricks.

[the_pack_rat]

What's green & smells like Miss Piggy ?.














Kermits finger.

[BigMerc]

everyone is just doing is forming their opionion, which is ok but be careful of what you write and how you write it.


What does that mean?


heres something equally cryptic:


"A monkey in a tuxedo...........is still a monkey".

Call it what you want but end of the day a load of crap is just that,....... crap!.

[fastblackmerc]

Thats what wrong today nobody is held responsible for their actions. "aww let him off " "poor guy". I say CRAP!!!!!!


He stepped up and lied, made a big story and now he is paying for it with a loss of credibility to virtually everyone who knows him. HE"S RESPONSIBLE!!

Don't let someone off because they got called on it. Smack him around and I betcha, the ease he had in lying the first time, won't come so easily next time.


Make everyone responsible for what the do. It'll make it better for everyone.
I agree.... you need to take responsibility for your actions...

[MaLo03]

DAG!
I'm going back to work!
Glad your OK Marc....Sorry for your lost......Take care.
This is a horrible thread! It made me sad to read it. Someone delete it.

[martyo]

What's green & smells like Miss Piggy ?.














Kermits finger.


What's green and skates?

[Breadfan]

What's green and skates?

A frog in a blender?

Oh wait, wrong joke...

[Breadfan]

:marauder:

IMO, the best part of this thread, is the elusive stripper smiley.






Seriously, I'll keep reading this, I think it should stay open now that Marc is participating. So long as he's here to answer any of the speculations raised we atleast know we are not talking about him behind his back. It's in the open, and getting ironed out. There's some validity to that in keeping this open.

Hopefully it veers away from speculation on both sides and we can move on.

I do not have any info to add, nothing of value for this thread or this subject, so I'll revert back to just reading.

[Blackmobile]

P.S. 1800.00 for all the parts if anyone is interested. (plus shipping)
When you get a chance drop me a line, we may be able to do some business.You know the channels in which to reach me.P.S. At the monthly meet I did a burn't that now I dedicate to Memory of your Marauder. It would have been proud.

[MarauderMarc]

Well, I dont really care anymore. I told you my story. The biggest thing is what reason did I have to make up THAT kind of story if I have nothing to hide? The car wasnt stolen, I wasnt drunk, the gun was mine and legal.......wheres the motive for a fabrication of that caliber? I am not a compulsive liar. Everything else I have said on here is true, and people who have known me and met me know that. It was funny, the other day on Maury they had an episode that was about people being wrongfully accused and jailed because society, the police, and the media had their own opinions. They said it didnt follow textbook (the cops) and they must have been guilty. Made me think of the previous thread. Point is to expect the unexpected and not be a lemming and do what other people are doing because they think theyre right.

Frankly, I dont care anymore. Believe me or dont...it wont have an effect on me. It seems that something like this is what some of you people crave. Your lives are so boring and meaningless that you look for something to fill your time. Why not jump on a bandwagon? I bet you believe all the tabloids too.

Im done on this thread unless someone wants to make more useless speculation.

[MarauderMarc]

IMO, the best part of this thread, is the elusive stripper smiley.






Seriously, I'll keep reading this, I think it should stay open now that Marc is participating. So long as he's here to answer any of the speculations raised we atleast know we are not talking about him behind his back. It's in the open, and getting ironed out. There's some validity to that in keeping this open.

Hopefully it veers away from speculation on both sides and we can move on.

I do not have any info to add, nothing of value for this thread or this subject, so I'll revert back to just reading.

Over the supergay smiley??????? Oh come on!!!

[MarauderMarc]

When you get a chance drop me a line, we may be able to do some business.You know the channels in which to reach me.P.S. At the monthly meet I did a burn't that now I dedicate to Memory of your Marauder. It would have been proud.

I bet it would, PM SENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MarauderMarc]

Dammit! I was re-reading the thread and noticed something I didnt say. Alot of comments were made about my first thread being short, choppy, ect. Well the FIRST time I wrote it up, it was in extreme detail and took me over an hour to type, then my power went out. Then I did another one and when I went to send it, it said the sever was busy and I lost it. I got sick of tyiping, so I just did a brief version. Then when all the poo hit the fan, I had it deleted because I really didnt want to deal with that crap because I was still going through the post trauma stuff. I wasnt hiding, I just figured that since I told the story to my online community and they turned it on me, why bother? I have people close to me who knows the truth, saw me after the incident, and trust me because, once again, they know me. Why should I try to convince people who obviously are ignorant and dont know me? Its called choosing your battles. When this thread popped up, I decided it was time to set the record straight once and for all. So once again, believe me, fine, thank you.

To all the others...http://www.southfloridastangs.net/sfsforum/images/smilies/new/nutkick.gif and http://photos.imageevent.com/tl1000s/other/b.gif!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[DefyantExWife]

PM sent, too....

:coolman:




well ok, not really, but I know how some people loathe it when others write "PM sent."


so.... PM sent. :rasta: that is all.

[TooManyFords]

Really John...do you want me to add that the "complete kit" you advertised was and shipped me was nothing near complete? The lack of instructions, mounting brackets for the intercooler and radiator, the missing bolts, spacers, o-rings, unplugged holes, ect., ect., that made a simple 8 hour job a 2 day, 100 man hour , job that costed me over $500.00 dollars EXTRA to make it work and run right. 4500.00 total for a used, incomplete kit when you can get one new for 3995.00. Simple pleadings with you, john, went nowhere because you were so closed minded about working with me. Yeah, I didnt pay you the shipping. I also feel that when you offered FREE shipping and I opted to have 3 day select, why didnt you charge the difference between UPS ground and 3 day? Whats wrong, are you over your head with your new project? I was willing to meet you half way and pay you half the shipping since we didnt see eye to eye, but you were too stubborn and wanted every penny. Selfish.

4 members helped me install the kit. They will back up everything I said. My learning experience was to never buy a used multi piece part.

Funny how things get turned around AFTER the fact... Ok, let's look at your facts...

1. "Complete kit".. No, check thread http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25618&highlight=procharger. I clearly stated it was not complete and that I was keeping the in-tank pump and the buyer would need to acquire a chip or a tune. I also specified that the buyer was to contact Greg for anything needed to complete the kit for installation.

2. "No Instructions".. They were emailed twice and you confirmed you got them.

3. "Missing parts".. Yes, it wasn't until you put an unrealisting deadline did I realize that the lower mounting plate for the intercooler was on my car. I told you I would head over to the shop and check to see and then get it sent out as soon as you paid the $247 to special ship the blower. You never sent the money and I still have the mounting plate and bolts in a box.

4. "Meet me half way".. There was never an offer to meet half way. Why should I? You're the one who handled everything poorly and sent me this PM:


Re: parts and stuff


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Hey Rich,

Could you possibly come up with a list of parts that we were short for the Procharger install, please? I still owe John Friel a couple of hundred dollars for shipping, but I still have not gotten the mounting bracket for the intercooler, and with all the missing parts and customization, I feel I should be given a bit of a discount on the shipping that I owe him. Let me know. Also an estimate on what the discount should be. Thanx,

Marc Rocco


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Highlights:
Stud bolt for mounting plate
radiator mounts
intercooler plate necessitating plumbing parts

Back billing should equal the actual cost of parts. This would include the quickie parts judt to get by AND the permanant parts that you get from the marine store. Further, labor has a price. Custom fabrication labor runs 55-150/hr around here. You got a good 5 hrs in custom fab labor. That's worth at least $250 all by itself!

Lastly, he should have provided a list of parts that could not be included, so you could have been prepared or even ordered the differences. That lack of information was simply irresponsible.

Those are my thought FWIW.
RIch

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Honestly, I was warned about selling the kit to you... I bent over backwards the last time we had dealings and even went as far as sending back your $100 knowing that I could lose that and the chip and it turns out not to have been my fault at all.

I was the good guy about that then and I was this time too. I really, honestly thought I had included everything! When you realized there were parts missing, the simple solution was to call me, pay the original shipping and then a couple days later get it installed.

Just because YOU were impatient, I'm the one that loses? I don't think that is fair by any stretch of the imagination. And my waiting for ever for you to finally pay the 4K and then have problems with the travelers checks counted for nothing?

I guarantee this is something you will have to live with for the rest of your life, knowing you agreed and then weasled out. If you can live with this, then so be it. I'll not be quiet about it though and I'll bet the FIT brothers and SSM will have a very dim view of how you do business going forward.

I was warned to deal with you and thought you were an upstanding kid with a plateful. Turns out you're just a cheat.

John
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[TooManyFords]

. . . continued . . .
You went off, I replies and then you sent:


Re: How it -should- have been handled...

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First, "Cheat" and "Weasel" only apply if you do not pay. These are terms to be used going forward depending on your integrity.

That said, after reading your lengthy diatribe and speaking with Greg at FIT... I can now see that you were never going to pay the shipping. Let's cut the bull and call it like it really is.

Let's pretend for a moment that I am Lincoln Mercury and your car is in to have a drivers side head tick fixed. I send the dealership everything I think he needs and unknowingly missed a cam hold-down plate. Your dealer gets the parts and says, "Marc, bad news. Your engine is all apart and it will be 2-3 more days before we have the right part in to put it back together".

What exactly are your options there? Are you going to tell me that you would spend an additional $500 for a $20 part?

There were several things you did wrong in our exchange.

1. You promised to PayPal the original $248 that very day I shipped it and for the next 3 days you came up with lame excuses why you couldn't. "My account is fubar...", "My friend is sending it for me..." (neither one was probably true, but you said it not me). This was all before we found out I missed the parts! Let's not forget this vital piece of information.

2. When it was actually discovered that the parts were missing, you immediately began "re-engineering" the kit rather than putting the tools down and either doing a simple "rental vehicle", using public transportation, carpooling, or just borrowing a friend's ride for a couple days.

3. You should have paid the shipping, I would have been a happy camper and overnight the missing pieces and then you could have continued on with the install as it was intended.

Now THAT is how you SHOULD have handled it.

You caused all of your own inconveniences. Had you taken the time and just sent a bank certified check that was cash-able in the first place, I wouldn't have had to spend all of MY VALUABLE TIME running around trying to get the money for the kit. You say "Mark it SOLD" and then wait 4 weeks to pay. I had another buyer waiting and ready to pay. Hindsight I guess.

Bottom line, I don't want you to be an enemy. I want you to honestly pay for what you promised, own up to your own impossible timetable you put yourself in and quit blaming me for making this so expensive. You had options and the bright shiny new toy in the box blinded you to what you should have rationally done.

You owe me $248 and I'm not going to just "let this go". You'll get the remaining parts that were overlooked and then maybe you can put together the way the manual says it should be and your tubes will quit blowing off.

John
cc: Greg at FIT and all the other FIT brothers.

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You are one stubborn guy. You think you have me all figured out and you dont even know me. Public transportation? I live 7 miles from the nearestmain road and at least 10 from any bus stop. Car pooling? not an option. Borrow a friends car? You think my friends are rich? I work from 3-midnight. Wife works from 2-9. Just isnt possible. I dont have "too many fords" like you to be able to have extra vehicles to drive. Im not rich. and dont say I never had any intentions on paying you. I did. It wasnt until the people that helped me with the install convinced me that I got a bad deal that I started thinking more and more about it. and one more thing.....STOP TALKING LIKE I TOOK FOREVER TO PAY YOU FOR THE KIT!!!! WE ORIGINALLY AGREED THAT I WAS GOING TO SEND YOU 1000$ DOWN AND PAY YOU OFF BY MAY OR SO. THEN I GOT WORD OF A LOAN, WENT THROUGH WITH IT, KEPT YOU INFORMED, AND OVERNIGHTED THE PAYMENT THE DAY THAT I CASHED THE CHECK. THE MONEY ORDERS I SENT YOU WERE THE ONES THE STORE I CASHED THE CHECK SOLD. MONEY ORDERS ARE MONEY ORDERS IN MY EYES. IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING SPECIFIC, YOU SHOULD HAVE STATED SO.
Jesus Christ, you are so f-ing stubborn. You caused me alot of heartache and its all BS. You advertised a "complete kit" and whether or not you meant it, my kit was incomplete and required extra fabrication and engineering to be able to work. You obviously have no experience in customer service at all. All that macho Marine crap must have numbed you all up. Im not rich like you, I dont have a bunch of cars to drive. Whatever. Im done.

Marc

P.S. My Paypal account IS fubar, and a friend from work WAS going to send it through his paypal before I told him not to due to your incomplete kit.


But being the standup guy I am, I still tried to be friendly and sent this:


Re: How it -should- have been handled...

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You are one stubborn guy. You think you have me all figured out and you dont even know me.

and dont say I never had any intentions on paying you. I did. It wasnt until the people that helped me with the install convinced me that I got a bad deal that I started thinking more and more about it.


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What you got was bad information from your friends. Right, wrong or indifferent, you should have worked this out with me first and not had friends talking you into doing something that was way more costly. If I had friends like yours, I'd be asking them why they didn't volunteer to help get you to work and back for just a couple days. I would do that for my friends in a heartbeat. I suspect you would too if one of yours asked.

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Whatever, but I didn't build two million dollar companies from scratch because i didn't understand customer service. And rich, I'm not rich. I do have a spare car in case mine breaks. Also, never been a Marine or in the Armed Services.

I'm going to ask you one more time, nicely, to pay the $248. Then we can begin to be friends again and work this out over beers or something during MVIV.

john

So you see, I'm about the easist guy to get along with but for some reason you are not.

John

[SergntMac]

It's pretty clear that the shipping charges in question are independent of Marc's complications with installing the purchased kit.

Marc asked for special overnight shipping, and John should be reimbursed for acting on that request.

[BigMerc]

He would love to but a man approached him and id'd himself as a CIA agent. Marc went with him,they boarded a plane where they ended up in Istanbul. He assisted in thwarting a coup against the president there.He had to kill a lot of guys (he has a 9mm you know). Then after drinking something that was given to him he blacked out. He awoke to find himself in Peking and after a 10 day trip where he was chased several times by government agents he escaped to Afghanistan when he single handedly destroyed an Al Queida terrorist cell.

He caught Osama Bin laden but he jerked the steering wheel and got away in the confusion.


After returning home he was researching and found a cure for cancer and donated all his riches to orphaned children.

AND YOU WANT YOUR $248..........you should be ashamed.:D :D

[Blackened300a]

This is damaging evidence to the credibility of the Defendant.

[Blackened300a]

He would love to but a man approached him and id'd himself as a CIA agent. Marc went with him,they boarded a plane where they ended up in Istanbul. He assisted in thwarting a coup against the president there.He had to kill a lot of guys (he has a 9mm you know). Then after drinking something that was given to him he blacked out. He awoke to find himself in Peking and after a 10 day trip where he was chased several times by government agents he escaped to Afghanistan when he single handedly destroyed an Al Queida terrorist cell.

He caught Osama Bin laden but he jerked the steering wheel and got away in the confusion.


After returning home he was researching and found a cure for cancer and donated all his riches to orphaned children.

AND YOU WANT YOUR $248..........you should be ashamed.:D :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[RR|Suki]

He would love to but a man approached him and id'd himself as a CIA agent. Marc went with him,they boarded a plane where they ended up in Istanbul. He assisted in thwarting a coup against the president there.He had to kill a lot of guys (he has a 9mm you know). Then after drinking something that was given to him he blacked out. He awoke to find himself in Peking and after a 10 day trip where he was chased several times by government agents he escaped to Afghanistan when he single handedly destroyed an Al Queida terrorist cell.

He caught Osama Bin laden but he jerked the steering wheel and got away in the confusion.


After returning home he was researching and found a cure for cancer and donated all his riches to orphaned children.

AND YOU WANT YOUR $248..........you should be ashamed.:D :D

Oh dear...

[MarauderMarc]

Wait just a minut, John. With a simple search of your started threads, I found the original ad. http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25618

Please note that it says a complete kit minus the in fuel fuel pump and tune. I can go to Grag at F.I.T. for these parts. Nowhere did it say you were not going to include other vital parts such as radiator mounting hardware, intercooler hardware, bolts, washers, ect. As Ive told you before....YOURE FU**ING STUBBORN!!!! I mean really, 4000.00 for an incolplete kit that I have to buy almost another 800-1000.00 for??? Dont insult me. If 3 day shipping was going to be too difficult for you, then you should have been man enough and told me so instead of trying to be superman. Yeah you emailed me the instructions....3 hours after the installation started. You told me you left them in your car. Sounds to me you cant figure your head from your ass. How much was the FREE ground shippng opposed to the 3 day? Shouldnt I be charged the difference? You just love to nickel and dime people.

[MarauderMarc]

He would love to but a man approached him and id'd himself as a CIA agent. Marc went with him,they boarded a plane where they ended up in Istanbul. He assisted in thwarting a coup against the president there.He had to kill a lot of guys (he has a 9mm you know). Then after drinking something that was given to him he blacked out. He awoke to find himself in Peking and after a 10 day trip where he was chased several times by government agents he escaped to Afghanistan when he single handedly destroyed an Al Queida terrorist cell.

He caught Osama Bin laden but he jerked the steering wheel and got away in the confusion.


After returning home he was researching and found a cure for cancer and donated all his riches to orphaned children.

AND YOU WANT YOUR $248..........you should be ashamed.:D :D

Someone with too much time on his hands.

[Cobra25]

Wait just a minut, John. With a simple search of your started threads, I found the original ad. http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25618

Please note that it says a complete kit minus the in fuel fuel pump and tune. I can go to Grag at F.I.T. for these parts. Nowhere did it say you were not going to include other vital parts such as radiator mounting hardware, intercooler hardware, bolts, washers, ect. As Ive told you before....YOURE FU**ING STUBBORN!!!! I mean really, 4000.00 for an incolplete kit that I have to buy almost another 800-1000.00 for??? Dont insult me. If 3 day shipping was going to be too difficult for you, then you should have been man enough and told me so instead of trying to be superman. Yeah you emailed me the instructions....3 hours after the installation started. You told me you left them in your car. Sounds to me you cant figure your head from your ass. How much was the FREE ground shippng opposed to the 3 day? Shouldnt I be charged the difference? You just love to nickel and dime people. Well Marc is right , a Complete Kit. Less the Fuel Pump and tune. Gee I wonder what happened too all the other parts promised in the sale post ? :hmmm:

[RR|Suki]

Well Marc is right , a Complete Kit. Less the Fuel Pump and tune. Gee I wonder what happened too all the other parts promised in the sale post ? :hmmm:

you should maybe read the rest of this thread where he posted the pm's where he didn't realize what was missing and offered to send them ASAP... but would like to have been paid for the initial shipping and held out because he hadn't been paid his money...

that's why you take a log of the parts you have before you start pulling stuff down ;). Maybe Marc should have called up TMF about the missing parts BEFORE he pulled stuff apart and started fabbing new part... oh and paying for the shipping would of been a good idea too ;)

[fastblackmerc]

"that's why you take a log of the parts you have before you start pulling stuff down ;). Maybe Marc should have called up TMF about the missing parts BEFORE he pulled stuff apart and started fabbing new part... oh and paying for the shipping would of been a good idea too ;)"
Why would you start a job without all the necessary / required tools & parts?

[DefyantExWife]

maybe he just trusted the package was "complete" as stated in the original agreement ??? :confused:

thats just my guess, what do I know.


:toss:

[ctrlraven]

Why would you start a job without all the necessary / required tools & parts? Exactly, thats like going to a cookout, fire the grill up throwing on some burgers and dogs and be like where are the buns? I've installed several "used" s/c and turbo kits and whatever the kit was I would go to the vendors home page or contact the vendor and get a complete parts and tools list before I even did anything to the vehicle. Things like that you have to take your time with especially if it's a used kit. JMHO. I'm not going to comment on the rest of the monkey poo going on in this thread but whatever happen happened, end of story and Marc I wish you a speedy recovery on any injuries you have physically or mentally.+

Chris

[tmac1337]

He would love to but a man approached him and id'd himself as a CIA agent. Marc went with him,they boarded a plane where they ended up in Istanbul. He assisted in thwarting a coup against the president there.He had to kill a lot of guys (he has a 9mm you know). Then after drinking something that was given to him he blacked out. He awoke to find himself in Peking and after a 10 day trip where he was chased several times by government agents he escaped to Afghanistan when he single handedly destroyed an Al Queida terrorist cell.

He caught Osama Bin laden but he jerked the steering wheel and got away in the confusion.


After returning home he was researching and found a cure for cancer and donated all his riches to orphaned children.

AND YOU WANT YOUR $248..........you should be ashamed.:D :D


Plus he went by your house and had relations with your wife.....twice!

[DefyantExWife]

:awe: more scandal!!

[O's Fan Rich]

My uterous hurts.

[BigMerc]

ahh can't stand not being banned can ya timmy!!:corner:

[Cobra25]

you should maybe read the rest of this thread where he posted the pm's where he didn't realize what was missing and offered to send them ASAP... but would like to have been paid for the initial shipping and held out because he hadn't been paid his money...

that's why you take a log of the parts you have before you start pulling stuff down ;). Maybe Marc should have called up TMF about the missing parts BEFORE he pulled stuff apart and started fabbing new part... oh and paying for the shipping would of been a good idea too ;) Look they both made some mistakes . One guy didn't get payed because the other didn't all the parts promised and the other guy had to use the money to get the missing parts or have them made. It's over with, nothing good will come from this .

[RR|Suki]

Look they both made some mistakes . One guy didn't get payed because the other didn't all the parts promised and the other guy had to use the money to get the missing parts or have them made. It's over with, nothing good will come from this .

Perhaps, however you asked the question and I quote "Gee I wonder what happened too all the other parts promised in the sale post ? :hmmm:"

And I answered it. Also from the conversations posted, TMF didn't get paid even when it was assumed all the parts were sent... I think being sarcastic is inflamatory and avoids the facts as presented. But that's just me being logical and stuff<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[tmac1337]

ahh can't stand not being banned can ya timmy!!:corner:

And you can only stand it when someone else is the brunt of your jokes!

[BigMerc]

I don't mind. I always throw some jokes but I do it short of getting banned (unlike yourself). you can't help yourself or you haven't the capacity to determine when you've crossed a line.. My jokes are usually equal parts message and humor. you're unable to so see that, either comprehension or intelligence bars you.

But lets pick this up on SVT so you don't ruin a good thread and get it closed because you don't know where the line is.

[tmac1337]

I don't mind. I always throw some jokes but I do it short of getting banned (unlike yourself). you can't help yourself or you haven't the capacity to determine when you've crossed a line.. My jokes are usually equal parts message and humor. you're unable to so see that, either comprehension or intelligence bars you.

But lets pick this up on SVT so you don't ruin a good thread and get it closed because you don't know where the line is.

Your just on this thread jumping on a bandwagon with a few others when whatever happened to Marc is NONE of our/your business, but his and his totalled car.

And here you've gone personal when my first post to you was an obvious joke....but you can't take jokes unless they are to people who don't fight back well. Enjoy the feast...there is plenty of blood in the water in this thread. Maybe you were in the back seat....how else besides Marc would you know what are the facts and what is not when only Marc was there....no matter how funky this all sounds.

And "ruin a good thread", only good to you because you enjoy all the turmoil and that fact that someone else is in a hard spot now. Enjoy!

[BigMerc]

I beg to differ, he made it our business when he posted a great shining lie.

All's fair after that. you seem to think I mind you at all, I don't, you're funny!! in that special way. you know funny,... funny like a clown,.... funny like you amuse me !! funny!

[tmac1337]

I beg to differ, he made it our business when he posted a great shining lie.

All's fair after that. you seem to think I mind you at all, I don't, you're funny!! in that special way. you know funny,... funny like a clown,.... funny like you amuse me !! funny!

For the sake of argument then, can you please post FACTUALLY with evidence, no opinion or assumations, what is a lie for all of us and what is not, and clear this all up. Thanks.

If you can do this I will concede it to you in open forum.

Would'nt that be funny?

[BigMerc]

For the sake of argument then, can you please post FACTUALLY with evidence, no opinion or assumations, you can do this I will concede it to you in open forum.

Would'nt that be funny?


Ok you're an idiot. thats pretty factual..............cased closed!!:laugh: :laugh:

[tmac1337]

Ok you're an idiot. thats pretty factual..............cased closed!!:laugh: :laugh:

Didn't think so.

Carry on.

[BigMerc]

Plus you obviously won't stop until you get the thread locked so no more replies for YOU. back to your room!!!

[tmac1337]

Plus you obviously won't stop until you get the thread locked so no more replies for YOU. back to your room!!!

Okay....I'll look around for some different bullies.

[BigMerc]

:tmi: :tmi:

[TAF]

Can someone go run and get me another bag?

http://www.cadburyschweppes.com/NR/rdonlyres/184A5B97-1D33-4706-AC52-16D2637D5855/0/SwedishFish.jpg

[KillJoy]

Darkside Part II.... now playing.

:popcorn:

KillJoy

[Breadfan]

Wait just a minut, John. With a simple search of your started threads, I found the original ad. http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25618

Please note that it says a complete kit minus the in fuel fuel pump and tune. I can go to Grag at F.I.T. for these parts. Nowhere did it say you were not going to include other vital parts such as radiator mounting hardware, intercooler hardware, bolts, washers, ect. As Ive told you before....YOURE FU**ING STUBBORN!!!! I mean really, 4000.00 for an incolplete kit that I have to buy almost another 800-1000.00 for??? Dont insult me. If 3 day shipping was going to be too difficult for you, then you should have been man enough and told me so instead of trying to be superman. Yeah you emailed me the instructions....3 hours after the installation started. You told me you left them in your car. Sounds to me you cant figure your head from your ass. How much was the FREE ground shippng opposed to the 3 day? Shouldnt I be charged the difference? You just love to nickel and dime people.
Were the parts on the car that were offered for overnight the parts missing? I thought that was just a mount or something, not the rest of the hardware. Anyway, is the hardware really that expensive? Can't any of it be bought as standalone parts from FIT?

Just wondering how radiator brackets, bolts, and washers could cost 800-1000 bucks. I know that one mount might have been re-fabbed though, which would probably be expensive.

I'm not even sure what we're trying to work out here anymore, not to mention page 7 is completely different in this thread...

[Breadfan]

maybe he just trusted the package was "complete" as stated in the original agreement ??? :confused:

thats just my guess, what do I know.


:toss:

IMO a job like that doesn't start until you have the instructions. The first step is to go through the parts list, and lay EVERYTHING out to make sure you have it all.

I really hope you guys can work it out, and this thread doesn't keep going into something that breed bad blood between other folks.

Even if mistakes were made, this is the time to learn from them, pick things up and move forward, and not try to burn bridges needlessly.

Best of luck!

[Petrograde]

Can someone go run and get me another bag?

http://www.cadburyschweppes.com/NR/rdonlyres/184A5B97-1D33-4706-AC52-16D2637D5855/0/SwedishFish.jpg

Sure thing Todd. I was just go get some more :popcorn:

100+ posts,.. and at least 3 different pi$$ing contests. I should go mow my grass, but this is more fun. :P

[TAF]

Sure thing Todd. I was just go get some more :popcorn:

100+ posts,.. and at least 3 different pi$$ing contests. I should go mow my grass, but this is more fun. :P

This thead's got more personalities than...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Sybil_DVD.jpg/250px-Sybil_DVD.jpg

[SergntMac]

Perhaps, however you asked the question and I quote "Gee I wonder what happened too all the other parts promised in the sale post ? :hmmm:"

And I answered it. Also from the conversations posted, TMF didn't get paid even when it was assumed all the parts were sent... I think being sarcastic is inflamatory and avoids the facts as presented. But that's just me being logical and stuff<!-- / message --><!-- sig --> I agree T.J. Look up "obfuscate" in your dictonary, but do not confuse it with another word close at your fingertips, "obligate".

This is the real difference here. One side of the discussion says Marc is obligated to pay the shipping charges, the other side obfuscates that claim with "nothing up my sleeve" retorts.

This nonsense about missing parts and "complete kit", is all after the fact that Marc asked for expedited shipping, and he got exactly that at his own expense.

As I said before, shipping charges are due to John (TMF), regardless of what showed up in the box(es) at Marc's, because Marc wanted immediate graticication. Therefore, it's Marc's obligation to pay those extra charges, paid as cash out of John's pocket, and not an "adjustment" to content. Marc asked for the overnight shipping, he got exactly that. Now he needs to pay for it. All this "missing parts" stuff is "obfuscation" from that point.

Working in the service industry, Marc should know this. You do not blame the waiter for salty soup. If you do not like your food, send it back to the chef. If the chef cannot fix it to your satisfaction, it's no charge and you leave the restaurant. But, don't short the waiter on a tip earned by his service until you decide to leave. he earned it, pay him. Likewise, the food could be perfect, but the service sucks. Then you short the waiter on his expected tip, hopefully leaving behind a hint as to why.

I'm disgusted by this whole affair, and I am worried about one thing. How one member of the 5SM can create so much turmoil among us, while all of us are making plans and looking forward to MV-IV. DisneyWorld may be a strong draw as a base camp, but that's not as much fun as I have had elsewhere in Maraudervilles across the country, and I don't need all this crap nagging me while I drive 1800 miles to mee y'all.

Y'all need to fix this, not strive to shut it out by getting the thread closed.

It will come back...

[Petrograde]

good point Sarge.

There's gonna be a real 'Dad-slapped-Mom-at-the dinner-table' vibe at MV4

[Cobra25]

Perhaps, however you asked the question and I quote "Gee I wonder what happened too all the other parts promised in the sale post ? :hmmm:"

And I answered it. Also from the conversations posted, TMF didn't get paid even when it was assumed all the parts were sent... I think being sarcastic is inflamatory and avoids the facts as presented. But that's just me being logical and stuff<!-- / message --><!-- sig --> Maraudermarc may of Assumed all the parts were their in the begining, but it's a good thing he waited and didn't payTMF because they were missing. It would of cost Marc more money. I could go back and forth with you on this but what happened will not change, it's now in the past. I don't know TMF and have nothing against the Guy .What happened between these 2 guys is really their business and not ours. Bottom line in my book is TMF sold a kit to someone ,their was alot of parts missing that he didn't say, maybe TMF didnt realize their was parts missing other than the ones he said in his post.Anyone on this site could of purchased the kit, I find that to be wrong. If you say it's a complete kit minus 2 parts thats how it should of came when he recieved it. Thats how I feel about this.

[SergntMac]

good point Sarge.

There's gonna be a real 'Dad-slapped-Mom-at-the dinner-table' vibe at MV4
If we get there...

[MM03MOK]

I'm cutting through all the :bs:here. There is one solution for each of the separate issues.

1. Marc pays for the expedited shipping he requested.

2. John sends the missing parts.

It's that simple. No holding anything hostage. No asking for a discount or rebate after the deal is agreed to. Just do it.

Who's going to step forward first, honor your obligation and make this right?

[jimlam56]

I agree T.J. Look up "obfuscate" in your dictonary, but do not confuse it with another word close at your fingertips, "obligate".

This is the real difference here. One side of the discussion says Marc is obligated to pay the shipping charges, the other side obfuscates that claim with "nothing up my sleeve" retorts.

This nonsense about missing parts and "complete kit", is all after the fact that Marc asked for expedited shipping, and he got exactly that at his own expense.

As I said before, shipping charges are due to John (TMF), regardless of what showed up in the box(es) at Marc's, because Marc wanted immediate graticication. Therefore, it's Marc's obligation to pay those extra charges, paid as cash out of John's pocket, and not an "adjustment" to content. Marc asked for the overnight shipping, he got exactly that. Now he needs to pay for it. All this "missing parts" stuff is "obfuscation" from that point.

Working in the service industry, Marc should know this. You do not blame the waiter for salty soup. If you do not like your food, send it back to the chef. If the chef cannot fix it to your satisfaction, it's no charge and you leave the restaurant. But, don't short the waiter on a tip earned by his service until you decide to leave. he earned it, pay him. Likewise, the food could be perfect, but the service sucks. Then you short the waiter on his expected tip, hopefully leaving behind a hint as to why.

I'm disgusted by this whole affair, and I am worried about one thing. How one member of the 5SM can create so much turmoil among us, while all of us are making plans and looking forward to MV-IV. DisneyWorld may be a strong draw as a base camp, but that's not as much fun as I have had elsewhere in Maraudervilles across the country, and I don't need all this crap nagging me while I drive 1800 miles to mee y'all.

Y'all need to fix this, not strive to shut it out by getting the thread closed.

It will come back...

I will say this Sir.
MMIV is an event that I personally will do what I can to make happen.
You are old enough to know if the trip is worth it to you.
As with all groups of humans, it's hard to categorize everyone based on some internet postings. Marc has stated his position.
I know, based on the folks I've met in this Florida group that there are some folks that will contribute to MMIV.
That really is all that matters to me, as I choose who I want to associate with, and who not to.
Best Regards, Jim

[SergntMac]

Thats how I feel about this. Good. Thank you.

[Blackmobile]

I agree T.J. Look up "obfuscate" in your dictonary, but do not confuse it with another word close at your fingertips, "obligate".

This is the real difference here. One side of the discussion says Marc is obligated to pay the shipping charges, the other side obfuscates that claim with "nothing up my sleeve" retorts.

This nonsense about missing parts and "complete kit", is all after the fact that Marc asked for expedited shipping, and he got exactly that at his own expense.

As I said before, shipping charges are due to John (TMF), regardless of what showed up in the box(es) at Marc's, because Marc wanted immediate graticication. Therefore, it's Marc's obligation to pay those extra charges, paid as cash out of John's pocket, and not an "adjustment" to content. Marc asked for the overnight shipping, he got exactly that. Now he needs to pay for it. All this "missing parts" stuff is "obfuscation" from that point.

Working in the service industry, Marc should know this. You do not blame the waiter for salty soup. If you do not like your food, send it back to the chef. If the chef cannot fix it to your satisfaction, it's no charge and you leave the restaurant. But, don't short the waiter on a tip earned by his service until you decide to leave. he earned it, pay him. Likewise, the food could be perfect, but the service sucks. Then you short the waiter on his expected tip, hopefully leaving behind a hint as to why.

I'm disgusted by this whole affair, and I am worried about one thing. How one member of the 5SM can create so much turmoil among us, while all of us are making plans and looking forward to MV-IV. DisneyWorld may be a strong draw as a base camp, but that's not as much fun as I have had elsewhere in Maraudervilles across the country, and I don't need all this crap nagging me while I drive 1800 miles to mee y'all.

Y'all need to fix this, not strive to shut it out by getting the thread closed.

It will come back...

But if the cook has made all the food (The complete kit)and the waiter doesn't get it all (partial Kit)to the table on time(prearranged assembly schedule), a small tip would be appropriate.

[jstevens]

This thread has more personalities than cybil.

[Cobra25]

I'm cutting through all the :bs:here. There is one solution for each of the separate issues.

1. Marc pays for the expedited shipping he requested.

2. John sends the missing parts.

It's that simple. No holding anything hostage. No asking for a discount or rebate after the deal is agreed to. Just do it.

Who's going to step forward first, honor your obligation and make this right? Bunny the problem at this point is happened a while back. MarauderMarc had to go out and pay for the missing parts to make his kit complete. And he did. John sending parts at this point doesn't do any good. It's most likely in the best interest of everyone to just close this thread.

[MM03MOK]

Bunny the problem at this point is happened a while back. MarauderMarc had to go out and pay for the missing parts to make his kit complete. And he did. John sending parts at this point doesn't do any good. It most likely in the best interest of everyone to just close this thread.I understand what you're saying and the domino effect of both issues, but it's still two separate issues. And, it was Marc's choice to pursue missing parts elsewhere instead of dealing with John for them.

[Cobra25]

I understand what you're saying and the domino effect of both issues, but it's still two separate issues. And, it was Marc's choice to pursue missing parts elsewhere instead of dealing with John for them. I quess the Communation Factor between both of them broke down. You made a Valid point.

[Blackened300a]

Isn't the title of this thread "Hows MarauderMarc??"
That question has yet to be answered!

TMF seemed happy to get the parts out, Mistakes happen, Nobody is perfect.
A S/C is a major installion project, I would have made sure I had every nut and bolt, and If I didnt, I would place a call and put off the install til I had all the parts.
I dont understand the urgency, Besides the car became too powerful for him to control and he wiped it out anyways.
Maybe if he waited for the parts he would still have the car and we wouldnt have a thread that has changed topics 3 times already.

[SergntMac]

But if the cook has made all the food (The complete kit)and the waiter doesn't get it all (partial Kit)to the table on time(prearranged assembly schedule), a small tip would be appropriate. There is no "prearranged" schedule here dude, look again? "I want it, and I want it now" is the way things went.

Either way, Marc asked for better service i.e. faster than ground delivery than John offered for free in his sale post, therefore, payment for that extra service is due. Stop dancing around it with nonsense, K?

Going back to the restaurant metaphor, if you want the best service, tip the waitress/waiter in front...Do we do that? Do you?

This isn't a game of Checkers or Chess, it's real stuff among us, and it serves to damage future agreements based on trust.

Fix it...Now.

Or, the often stated "I got your back" means nothing...Anymore.

Two years ago, I sent cash...My hard earned money, down to my friends in FL. after a serious Hurricane season, the year before Katrina. No questions asked, I knew they needed it for something.

Can't say I'm so free and willing to help out anymore, until this gets fixed.

Don't quibble over what words mean, solve the problem...

[Cobra25]

Isn't the title of this thread "Hows MarauderMarc??"
That question has yet to be answered!

TMF seemed happy to get the parts out, Mistakes happen, Nobody is perfect.
A S/C is a major installion project, I would have made sure I had every nut and bolt, and If I didnt, I would place a call and put off the install til I had all the parts.
I dont understand the urgency, Besides the car became too powerful for him to control and he wiped it out anyways.
Maybe if he waited for the parts he would still have the car and we wouldnt have a thread that has changed topics 3 times already. To answer your question he is still a Little sore from the accident & doing much better.

[Gre8one7]

To answer your question he is still a Little sore from the accident & doing much better.

I think this thread should be stopped after that. Thats all this thread should have been about.

[Rob1559]

Time for more Muppet porn!

[CRUZTAKER]

Can someone go run and get me another bag?

http://www.cadburyschweppes.com/NR/rdonlyres/184A5B97-1D33-4706-AC52-16D2637D5855/0/SwedishFish.jpg

Goober Knows Swedish fish...:lol:

Smells like....VICTORY!!!!

[CRUZTAKER]

Who's going to step forward first, honor your obligation and make this right?

But Mary...the Marc car is crap now. Perhaps John send some metamusal and Marc start looking for a car he can handle while stoned and being car jacked?

[MarauderMarc]

Blackened....blow me. Cruztaker, I wasnt stoned. Its funny that I admit that I smoke weed here and there, and now Im a drug addict.

I trusted that John was sending me a complete kit, because he said so. I didnt think I had to have a checklist. I figured that since John was friends with Greg at F.I.T. that everything was going to be kosher. He likes to act like he knows everything about cars. I had a preplanned install date and needed the kit sent out. Just because I wanted expedited shipping doesnt mean the kit should have come half assed. If John didnt think he could send out a complete kit at that time, then he shouldnt have sent it. It wasnt until 3 hours into the install that we noticed parts missing. Then we were finally emailed the instructions. I couldnt shut the project down and wait because my car was torn apart and 50 miles from my house and I had to go to work the next day. You all think its sooooo easy to come to conclusions when it didnt happen directly to you.

Too much power for me? Please. Now you are all looking to keep the insults coming. I hope it makes you feel better. Maybe your wives will call you "the man" for once and let you wear some pants.

[TooManyFords]

I quess the Communation Factor between both of them broke down. You made a Valid point.

No, it didn't break down. Marc chose NOT to pay and engineer the kit while witholding payment. Liked I said, as soon as it was brought to my attention that something was missing, I went over to the garage to check, found it and pulled it off the car. Honestly, the plate we are all whining about looks like it belongs on our car in the first place. And all the time in between I got one sad story after another from Marc on how he was sending the money. I communicated constantly with him to try to see reason and he just flat out refused.

And thank you Mary for being the ever voice of reason. However, unfortunately I will not be throwing good money after bad to send the parts. I'm sure I will not see anything from Marc short of small claims court. I really tried, I did.

Marc, if you think I'm going to forget about it, you are soooo wrong. I've already got folks on the Mustang forum you must be hanging out on emailing me. Believe me, I'm posting them the same story as I am here. You pay me at least $200 for the hassle and I'll put this all behind me. That's the best offer you're ever going to get.

John

[Bigdogjim]

I would be willing to bet this never get resolved.

[MarauderMarc]

You left out the other pieces you forgot, John. It wasnt just that one bracket, it was many more and you know it.

[Cobra25]

You left out the other pieces you forgot, John. It wasnt just that one bracket, it was many more and you know it. Marc their was 4 other members their helping you with the kit who saw how many parts were missing. One of them told me about it . Thats why I'm sticking up for you about the missing parts on the day of the install. This is going no where at this point.

[hitchhiker]

Here's a handful...I got to go to the snack bar for some more....I'll grab you a bag...and a Diet Coke

http://www.georgehowe.com/images/Candy/malted-sml.jpg

How an RC and a Moonpie?

:D

[hitchhiker]

I'm cutting through all the :bs:here. There is one solution for each of the separate issues.

1. Marc pays for the expedited shipping he requested.

2. John sends the missing parts.

It's that simple. No holding anything hostage. No asking for a discount or rebate after the deal is agreed to. Just do it.

Who's going to step forward first, honor your obligation and make this right?

A voice of reason in the darkness!

:D

[Cobra25]

A number of members here had alot of opionions about how they feel or what they think TOOMANYFORDS & MARAUDERMARC should do. But Some times in Life their is no clear solution or answer to a problem that people are willing to agree too. I want to wish BOTH of you the best of Luck in resolving your problem in a way you both can live with.

[DefyantExWife]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/snexus/20b3d047.jpg

[O's Fan Rich]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/snexus/20b3d047.jpg

I don't think God has anything to do with this thread anymore, DW....

The points made have been made, it's getting down to beating a dead horse, she just ain't gonna run no more.

Marc, once again, get better, I hope it all works out for you and especially for your family. Prioritize. See you in November, I hope.

John, sorry for your troubles, too. I'm hopeful this stuff is resolved, and if not forgotten. I look forward to seeing you and Pure Evil in November.

Shalom y'all!

[magindat]

Why would you start a job without all the necessary / required tools & parts?

Because there was a limited time frame and no instructions to verify parts against.

[magindat]

I'm cutting through all the :bs:here. There is one solution for each of the separate issues.

1. Marc pays for the expedited shipping he requested.

2. John sends the missing parts.

It's that simple. No holding anything hostage. No asking for a discount or rebate after the deal is agreed to. Just do it.

Who's going to step forward first, honor your obligation and make this right?

John offerred to ship the missing parts at his own expense on the Sunday night we were installing (and realized just how much was missing). It was then Monday and no parts when it was realized there was a hostage situattion.

Had the situation been the same with any vendor, the following would be true:
1) Three day shipping is and UPGRADE from the FREE ground shipping offerred in the 'kit' price. The shipping charges should be the DIFFERENCE between the two.
2) Regardless of a remaining balance, John shipped the kit, therefore is liable for ALL the parts. If he felt he needed more money, he should have waited for payment in full on the entire kit.
3) If a vendor promised to overnight parts, they would overnight them. Period. Not hold parts hostage with a car in the air waiting!

John, compute the diff between ground and 3 day. After that, subtract the overnight shipping that you promised for the parts that are now hostages. I think you will find that it's at or near a wash.

[magindat]

Shortly after the install was complete, I looked up FIT's parts list on the net. I then recorded (by best recollection) who installed each part. Also noted what was missing and who did what to get around it.

This is posted as a tribute to teamwork.
If the list of what was missing surprises, so be it.

See attached text file:

[SergntMac]

Marc, if you think I'm going to forget about it, you are soooo wrong. I've already got folks on the Mustang forum you must be hanging out on emailing me. Believe me, I'm posting them the same story as I am here. You pay me at least $200 for the hassle and I'll put this all behind me. That's the best offer you're ever going to get. John Sounds fair to me.

[rayjay]

I can't believe I read the whole thing.... :depress:

[MarauderMarc]

I can't believe I read the whole thing.... :depress:

Sounds like that heartburn commercial......

[Marauder2005]

Some car enthusiast site this is :rolleyes:.

[rayjay]

Some car enthusiast site this is :rolleyes:.

Nope, Marauderville Place.... :rolleyes:

[Haggis]

Some car enthusiast site this is :rolleyes:.
...we're dysfunctional just like any other family.

:popcorn:

[Marauderjack]

DAMN....I can't believe I started this!!!???:eek: :shake: :confused:

Sorry Folks!!:cool:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[Haggis]

DAMN....I can't believe I started this!!!???:eek: :shake: :confused:

Sorry Folks!!:cool:

Marauderjack:burnout:
YEA!!! What's wrong with you, causing trouble again Jack. :banned:

[rayjay]

DAMN....I can't believe I started this!!!???:eek: :shake: :confused:

Sorry Folks!!:cool:

Marauderjack:burnout:

Shame on you, go stand in the corner! :D

[STLR FN]

DAMN....I can't believe I started this!!!???:eek: :shake: :confused:

Sorry Folks!!:cool:

Marauderjack:burnout:Just for this you are not aloud to drive your Marauder for one week young man. Now go to your room.

[O's Fan Rich]

Way to go, Jack.... way to go.

[MM03MOK]

I think this discussion has run its course.