Stainless Works exhaust

[ctrlraven]

So possibly my cat or cats are clogged up (no wonder why I get 15-16mpg) with 80% highway driving. I know someone got headers and piping from Stainless Works but when looking on their page http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/index.php?cPath=94_360 I'm getting a little confused. I'd want to get a complete system (headers, cats, x or h pipe and the rear piping but I'm not sure if they sell that. I see exhaust sytem but thats like cat back system I think....I dunno its been a hot muggy day at work and my brain is fried:confused: . DR cobra exhaust would be an option but the price for Stainless Works with long tube headers is a pretty good deal and I'd rather do them now then having to redo them later down the road.

[Rider90]

Digging through your post I think I found your question..

Yes, they do sell a complete system, from headers to tail pipe - but I am not 100% positive if their kit includes new exhaust tips.

[fastblackmerc]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong......;)

Long tube headers will adversely affect low end torque but the top end will work better.

Short tube headers will benefit low end torque and adversely affect the top end.

[CRUZTAKER]

I do not have the SS kit...however I have been to their shop and seen it.

It is a near replica of my KOOKS full kit. When I say FULL kit, I mean headers, free flow cats (2 only), the other two are deleted, and an x-pipe.

Aside from adding optional performance mufflers, that's all you get. Mufflers back are on you.

As a note, I believe...unlike KOOKS, SS offers the rest of the piping rear at an additional cost. However, there is absolutely no reason to modify the piping beyond the muffler other than asthetics.


Long tube headers will adversely affect low end torque but the top end will work better.

In reality yes, from what I have read.
As far as mine...I'd have to say that my 1.69 60' times reflect little low issue with my headers.;)

[SergntMac]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong......;)

Long tube headers will adversely affect low end torque but the top end will work better.

Short tube headers will benefit low end torque and adversely affect the top end.You're almost correct.

Headers will cause of loss of low end power that you gain back at the top end by better breathing. The only difference between mid length and full length, is how much power gets shuffled around. If you running strictly N/A, with no plans for change in the future, I would suggest yopu save your money and go with the Reinhart Cobra manifolds where there are good gains, without a serious transition. If not, the Kooks are the lesser of the evil.

Supercharged? Go with the long tubes. The exhaust breathing is more important than the shift in the powerband...IMHO. I've had both the Cobra Manifolds on my #1x, and now I have the Kooks. Picked up 10 RWHP, lost 15 RWTQ, but you have to look under the curves to see where it happens.

Overall, I like the Kooks, but I wouldn't use a header on a N/A Marauder that's not going to have a power adder down the road.

Just my .02C, carry on gents.

[CRUZTAKER]

EWWW!

BTW: If you only need to replace cats...I have 4...at a good price.;)

[ctrlraven]

That's why I am thinking of going with long tube headers now cause I will be doing a s/c down the road and rather just take care of all that stuff now at one time instead of replacing the cats and have some chopped up piping.

[MarauderTJA]

Actually SW exhaust system for our cars are "complete." It includes 3" header pipes, 3" x-pipes, straight through turbo style mufflers, 2.5 " tailpipes and facotry style tips. Go to http://www.stainlessworks.net and just look up Marauder headers.

I ordered the SW Long Tubes headers (getting them coated) the other day with 2.5" collectors for my new forged motor application with the increased boost with the D1SC. I presently have the DR Cobra Exhaust, 2.5" high flow cats, x-pipe and had 2.5" pipes fabricated all the way back to the resonator delete tips. The DR system has been a great system, even running 12 lbs of boost with my Procharger P1SC.

[ctrlraven]

:mad2: I hate being forced to do something when I'm not ready. Ok so it's between DR cobra exhaust and SW headers/cat/x-pipe exhaust.

[mpearce]

If you're interested call them up. The number is on the web page. Ask "them" all of your techincal questions. Al Noe is the one to speak with. Everything you'd want in an exhaust system they can offer you if you want it. I chose to go with the coated long tube option only, with 3" collectors. I am going to have a full 2.5" custom set up all the way back with cats and an x pipe, utilizing my current flowmaster mufflers. Thw 2.5" pipe can be stretched to fit over the 3" collector without any problems. Remember you don't always have to buy a full kit. As long as you've got a good muffler/exhaust shop to work with, you'll be fine.

Check out the Stainless Works pics in my gallery...they are on pages 3 and 4.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/browseimages.php?do=browseimag es&c=3&userid=2114

-Mat

[KillJoy]

SW is priced a lot less than I had expected.

Definately an option.

KillJoy

[txmarauder]

SW is priced a lot less than I had expected.

Definately an option.

KillJoy

Even cheaper if you buy them from summit racing

[KillJoy]

Even cheaper if you buy them from summit racing

They do not list a Marauder as an application.

Do you have THEIR part number?

KillJoy

[txmarauder]

They do not list a Marauder as an application.

Do you have THEIR part number?

KillJoy

See this post i did a while back, go down a few post where i give the link using the part #. http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20672&highlight=stainless

Summit sells SW exh. so all you have to do is call them and give them the SW part # and they will get it from them and sell it to you cheaper.

[MarauderTJA]

:mad2: I hate being forced to do something when I'm not ready. Ok so it's between DR cobra exhaust and SW headers/cat/x-pipe exhaust.

IMO, unless you are going to go extreme high performance out of the gate, the DR system will do you justice as it has for me. For $1000. you get the ported/coated Cobra manifold, X-pipe and high flow cats. Choose some cool mufflers and you are good to go. Later on, you can always add the headers if your performance goals increase:beer: . [But those SW headers are really cool, I can't wait to get mine.:lol: ]

[KillJoy]

Actually....in the link provided about....it lists the SW Headers and Cats for just a tad over $1k....

Hmmmm......

KillJoy

[CRUZTAKER]

This thread is going no where intelligible...:sleepy:

Why would it be cheaper buying a product from a third party (that makes a profit to survive) rather than straight from the manufacturer?

Manifolds are just that...manifolds. Why waste money on shiny-er, albeit slightly larger, ugly oem style steel that you already have.

Oh duh...some folks only want 'a little' performance. My bad.

Makes all the sense in the world now.

Chat on...:P

[MarauderTJA]

This thread is going no where intelligible...:sleepy:



Makes sense to you, but maybe not to him:confused: . That is the purpose of giving options and opinions here. There have been a lot of threads on exhaust, muflers, headers, DR Cobra manifolds with performance gains and more. All depends on what a person wants and can afford.

I agree with you on buying direct from a manufacturer. Usually better service than through third parties. For $1383.95 for the headers, lead pipe and cats....that is the way to go, hands-down....IF it was available back when I bought the DR system I would have gone that way myself. Now there are better options out there for our cars. :rolleyes:

[KillJoy]

Why would it be cheaper buying a product from a third party (that makes a profit to survive) rather than straight from the manufacturer?

Because there is Retail Price and Dealer Cost.

Look into the world of Remote Controlled Cars.

MSRP = $1100
Street Price = $399

Happens all the time. Summit probably used "buying power" to get them damned near cost, marked them up a small amount, and voila! Lower prices.

KillJoy

[txmarauder]

Because there is Retail Price and Dealer Cost.

Look into the world of Remote Controlled Cars.

MSRP = $1100
Street Price = $399

Happens all the time. Summit probably used "buying power" to get them damned near cost, marked them up a small amount, and voila! Lower prices.

KillJoy

Thanks Kill you beat me to it. I use to be a damn yankee (Michigan) and i know enough about business to know that, but then again ohio does drink Michigans sewer water. I try and help people by giving them lower cost options for the same product and some a hole has to piss all over it. Back to not posting helpful opinions anymore.

[KillJoy]

Eh.....

You do realize that "that state up north" is all that is keeping Ohio from sliding into the Ohio River....right ;)

GO BUCKS!

KillJoy

[G-Man]

So possibly my cat or cats are clogged up (no wonder why I get 15-16mpg) with 80% highway driving. I know someone got headers and piping from Stainless Works but when looking on their page http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/index.php?cPath=94_360 I'm getting a little confused. I'd want to get a complete system (headers, cats, x or h pipe and the rear piping but I'm not sure if they sell that. I see exhaust sytem but thats like cat back system I think....I dunno its been a hot muggy day at work and my brain is fried:confused: . DR cobra exhaust would be an option but the price for Stainless Works with long tube headers is a pretty good deal and I'd rather do them now then having to redo them later down the road.

Sorry to jump in late. Don't know if your question was answered yet or not, but yes SW does sale the entire system with headres and tips if you like. I have them on mine.

PS: Long tube headers improve midrange torque.

Hope this helps.

G-man

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Why would it be cheaper buying a product from a third party (that makes a profit to survive) rather than straight from the manufacturer?



Good question,..the answer is,...no manufacturer will under sell any of his retailers. The manufacturer will keep his price just above the highest retailer. Summit, Jegs, etc. can buy in bulk, make huge savings, and pass a very small part of that savings on to you.

[blkwidowmerc]

Actually SW exhaust system for our cars are "complete." It includes 3" header pipes, 3" x-pipes, straight through turbo style mufflers, 2.5 " tailpipes and facotry style tips. Go to http://www.stainlessworks.net and just look up Marauder headers.

I ordered the SW Long Tubes headers (getting them coated) the other day with 2.5" collectors for my new forged motor application with the increased boost with the D1SC. I presently have the DR Cobra Exhaust, 2.5" high flow cats, x-pipe and had 2.5" pipes fabricated all the way back to the resonator delete tips. The DR system has been a great system, even running 12 lbs of boost with my Procharger P1SC.would you be interested in selling the cobra exhaust i need to redue mine.geo737mech@aol.com let me know thanks

[MarauderTJA]

would you be interested in selling the cobra exhaust i need to redue mine.geo737mech@aol.com let me know thanks

Sorry, a friend of mine has dibbs on it....

[MENINBLK]

Sorry to jump in late. Don't know if your question was answered yet or not, but yes SW does sale the entire system with headres and tips if you like. I have them on mine.

PS: Long tube headers improve midrange torque.

Hope this helps.

G-man

Stainless does NOT sell a complete system.
The only system they sell, from headers to tailpipe is for OFF ROAD USE only.

I've emailed them and told them that their website is very confusing.
If you look at the 4 options they give, there are headers, crossover pipes, mufflers and tailpipes.
There is no mention of a complete cat back system for use with headers,
except for the headers that have a 3" collector.
There is a mating system that attachs to the 3" collectors.
This system has NO High flow cats or over axle pipes mentioned.
The stock replacement system has a 2.5" collector on the headers.
There are 2.5" High Flow Cats, but no exhaust system to mount on the end of the high flow cats.

So if you figure it out, please explain it to us.

I got an email back from Stainless, that was just as confusing as the website,
and when I replied to clarify it, I got no reply to my reply.

When I get the $$$ for Long Tube Headers, I'll drive down to Long Island
and see the boys at Kooks.
At least they have been dealing with Marauders long enough
to have a satisfactory track record.

[mpearce]

When I get the $$$ for Long Tube Headers, I'll drive down to Long Island and see the boys at Kooks. At least they have been dealing with Marauders long enough to have a satisfactory track record.

Good, if you can't figure it out, best let Kooks do it for you. 3 years wheew...thats one hell of a track record.

:D

-Mat

[CRUZTAKER]

.... Summit, Jegs, etc. can buy in bulk, make huge savings, and pass a very small part of that savings on to you.

This is where it gets grey, and exactly why I said what I said, about buying direct.

The Marauder kit from SS is NOT manufactured and carried in BULK by the third parties. It is not even on the third parties' list of available products.
They kits are made to order. Even SS does not have them on their shelves. Just the castings sit and wait.

Seeing as how we have not only spoken with, but toured the SS facility with the owner, meeting the handfull of employees there, and seen and touched the product, I firmly believe buying direct, IN THIS SCENARIO ONLY, would indeed be the way to go. My original question was fescesious in manner...I fully understand how the market works.

[DEFYANT]

When I get the $$$ for Long Tube Headers, I'll drive down to Long Island
and see the boys at Kooks.
At least they have been dealing with Marauders long enough
to have a satisfactory track record.

Yup,

Thats what I did. Drove all the way up from MD too. I picked up the parts, drove another 5 minutes to their installer guy and in 6 to 8 hrs, the exhaust was done.

Get the copper collector gaskets. I forgot this lil tip and recently blew out a collector gasket.

Also, I should have got them coated. I am sure they run cooler, but they sure do look good too!!

[ctrlraven]

What is the MM's stock exhaust piping size? I'm going to have my uncle check out the cats and see if any of them are clogged and then just cut them out and put in a piece of pipe for the meanwhile.

[Marauderjack]

Does anyone know if their "MAUCAT" kit will bolt right up to the stock "H" pipe or does it require welding and further fabrication??:confused:

I spoke with a guy there on Friday and I was more confused when I hung up than before!!:argue:

Marauderjack:help:

[txmarauder]

What is the MM's stock exhaust piping size? I'm going to have my uncle check out the cats and see if any of them are clogged and then just cut them out and put in a piece of pipe for the meanwhile.

Dont cut the cats out if you dont have to, if they are clogged and you can get a piece of rebar down in it to break up the cat material. That way it will still look like you have cats. And it will be less work.

[ctrlraven]

Dont cut the cats out if you dont have to, if they are clogged and you can get a piece of rebar down in it to break up the cat material. That way it will still look like you have cats. And it will be less work. If at the most the rear 2 will be deleted still leaving the front 2 intact. Im not worried about if it looks like their still there or not. I won't have to go for emissions until Oct/Nov of 2007 which in that time I'll have a complete aftermarket exhaust on. I just want to get rid of anything that will hold heat back in that area and make my floorboard feel like its on fire.

MD Emissions
On-Board Diagnostics (OBD) Test
1996 or newer model year vehicles weighing 8,500 pounds or less and equipped with a computer controlled engine and fuel system
Instead of testing your vehicle’s exhaust, your emissions test will involve scanning your vehicle's computer for emission control malfunctions. During an on-board diagnostics scan, a lane inspector will connect to your vehicle's computer through a connector under the dashboard to determine the presence of recorded “trouble codes” that illuminate the “check engine” light on the instrument panel. Vehicles with an illuminated “check engine” light automatically fail the emissions test.

[ctrlraven]

So last night I finally got to get underneth my mm to check out the cats. One reason why I know I'm feeling the heat more is because the carbon fiber heat shield that I guess is suppose to be attached to the body or closer to it has been about 1/16" from sitting on top of the driverside front cat. So hopefully within the next week I'll be able to get cats off and then check them out and replace if needed. I guess I'll also replace the O2 sensors while I'm at it. Is their a certain magnaflow highflow cat to use? I just picked up a pipe bender and a mig welder so I'm eggar to start using them.

[G-Man]

Stainless does NOT sell a complete system.
The only system they sell, from headers to tailpipe is for OFF ROAD USE only.

I can't answer your question since I didn't purchase mine through a catalog, or over the internet. I called Al up and he provided the system. Mine is, in fact, a complete 3" exhaust: long tube headers, high flow cats (Random tech), X pipe, mufflers, over the axle (2.5") and tips. I have had no issue with any part of it. My cats have never failed, I've never had any svc. eng. soon lights, nothing, and it's good to flow 1000 HP.

Obviously you have to choose what your comfortable with. Al's been making them for years and my experience has never been bad.

[ctrlraven]

I can't answer your question since I didn't purchase mine through a catalog, or over the internet. I called Al up and he provided the system. Mine is, in fact, a complete 3" exhaust: long tube headers, high flow cats (Random tech), X pipe, mufflers, over the axle (2.5") and tips. I have had no issue with any part of it. My cats have never failed, I've never had any svc. eng. soon lights, nothing, and it's good to flow 1000 HP.

Obviously you have to choose what your comfortable with. Al's been making them for years and my experience has never been bad. I get what your saying, ordering online is for general non custom use. Calling Al and speaking with him directly he will tailor to your special needs. Yeah I've read up on SW on other boards and heard nothing but good things. Decision is made, now getting the money for it is the hurdle lol

[wchain]

Just FYI your cats have a 8 year 80K warranty from Ford as part of the Federal Emissions Warranty.

[KillJoy]

Just FYI your cats have a 8 year 80K warranty from Ford as part of the Federal Emissions Warranty.

Are they still under Warranty if you have installed a Blower?

KillJoy

[wchain]

A blower would have nothing to do with the cats clogging, although a blower would have something to do with 15-16 mpg :D

[ctrlraven]

Here in MD I thought it was 5yrs/50K mileage, thats what I was told before when I had my cat replaced on my old focus before by the ford dealer I used to work at.