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GAMike
08-10-2006, 07:46 AM
According to Forbes the Grand Marquis 7 Crown Vic. are terrible as far as residual value goes, but if you plan on keeping the car 10-20 yrs. who cares....... Besides, they are no authority when it comes to cars. I give more creedence to the results generated by J.D. Power any day.

Owners say Toyota tops in reliability
Land Rover, Saab bring up rear in J.D. Power survey

By Sarah Karush
The Associated Press
Published on: 08/09/06
Detroit — Japan's Toyota Motor Corp. won top honors in eight categories of a closely watched vehicle dependability study, more than any other company, while mainstream brands closed in on luxury nameplates, J.D. Power and Associates said Wednesday.
Lexus, Toyota's luxury brand, was the top-ranked nameplate for the 12th consecutive year. It was followed by Ford Motor Co.'s Mercury and General Motors Corp.'s Buick and Cadillac.
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Last-place Land Rover, which is owned by Ford, lagged far behind the second-to-last brand, Saab, which is owned by GM. Land Rover owners reported 438 problems per 100 vehicles, while Saab owners reported 326.
For the study, Westlake Village, Calif.-based J.D. Power questions owners of three-year-old vehicles about problems they are experiencing. This year's survey questioned 47,620 original owners of 2003 model-year cars and trucks.
On average, vehicle owners reported 227 problems per 100 vehicles this year, 10 fewer than last year. The study gives all problems equal weight; the most common ones reported were wind noise and loud brakes.
"The voice of the customer is actually getting heard by the manufacturers," said Neal Oddes, director of product research and analysis for J.D. Power. "They are understanding what's getting replaced, what's going wrong, and then they're taking that information and designing better products."
Oddes said the gap between luxury and nonluxury brands was narrowing. This year, owners reported an average 213 problems per 100 vehicles for premium brands, 15 fewer than for mainstream brands. Last year, the gap was 20, while in 2003, it was 31.
The improvement in dependability is good news both for consumers shopping for used vehicles and — since the vehicles retain more of their value — for owners planning to trade in their cars and trucks, Oddes said.
Toyota had winners this year in eight of 19 vehicle categories, while Honda and GM each took four segments. Ford had two winners, and Mazda Motor Corp. had one.
J.D. Power's initial quality study, which measures problems in the first 90 days of ownership, typically gets more attention. But Oddes said the dependability study is important for automakers because how owners feel about their vehicles three years on can have a big impact on their decision to buy another vehicle of that brand or look elsewhere.
Oddes said automakers made their biggest improvements in two areas — riding, handling and braking and engine and transmission.
"That's significant because those two categories ... have the greatest impact when it comes to customer satisfaction and repurchase intent," he said.

TOP PERFORMERS
The list includes the top performers and runners-up in each category. An MAV, or multi-activity vehicle, refers to sport utility vehicles and crossovers.

Sub-compact car
—Winner: Toyota Echo
—Runners-up: Hyundai Accent, Kia Rio
Compact car
—Winner: Honda Civic
—Runners-up: Toyota Corolla, Toyota Prius
Compact Sporty Car
—Winner: Mazda Miata
—Runners-up: Toyota MR2 Spyder, Toyota Celica
Midsize Sporty Car
—Winner: Chevrolet Monte Carlo
—Runners-up: Toyota Solara, Ford Mustang
Midsize Car
—Winner: Buick Century
—Runners-up: Buick Regal, Mercury Sable
Large Car
—Winner: :banana: Mercury Grand Marquis:banana:
—Runners-up: :bows: Ford Crown Victoria:bows: , Buick Park Avenue
Compact Premium Sporty Car:
—Winner: Honda S2000
—Runners-up: BMW Z4, Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class
Entry Premium Car
—Winner: Acura CL
—Runners-up: Infiniti I35, Lexus IS 300 (tie)
Midsize Premium Car
—Winner: Lexus GS 300/GS 430
—Runners-up: Acura RL, Lexus ES 300
Large Premium Car:
—Winner: Lexus LS 430
—Runners-up: Cadillac DeVille, Lincoln Town Car
Premium Sporty Car
—Winner: Lexus SC 430
—Runners-up: Chevrolet Corvette, Ford Thunderbird
Compact MAV
—Winner: Toyota RAV4
—Runners-up: Subaru Forester, Honda CR-V
Midsize MAV
—Winner: Toyota Highlander
—Runners-up: Honda Pilot, Buick Rendezvous
Large MAV
—Winner: GMC Yukon
—Runners-up: Chevrolet Suburban, Toyota Sequoia
Large Pickup
—Winner: Toyota Tundra
—Runners-up: Ford F-150, Ford F-250/F-350
Midsize Pickup
—Winner: Ford Ranger
—Runners-up: Subaru Baja, Toyota Tacoma
Van
—Winner: Honda Odyssey
—Runners-up: Oldsmobile Silhouette; Chevrolet Express, Pontiac Montana (tie)
Midsize Premium MAV
—Winner: Lexus GX 470
—Runners-up: Lexus RX 300, Infiniti FX-Series
Large Premium MAV
—Winner: Cadillac Escalade EXT
—Runners-up: Lexus LX 470, Cadillac Escalade

Best regards,

Marauder2005
08-10-2006, 04:22 PM
Are the GM and CV the only large cars? LOL cool either way.

GAMike
08-10-2006, 05:25 PM
Large Fish...............Small Pond;) . Take one step further though....... Include Large European Sedans, and I think you will find the same results. I hear about lots of niggles and jiggles in Bimmers, Benzes, Jags, and Volvos from my buds still in the biz..........

Lexus on the other hand.......... We might have to fight a little.

Regards,

Breadfan
08-10-2006, 08:25 PM
Since when did the Monte Carlo win anything?

Raudermaster
08-10-2006, 08:30 PM
As much as I could care less for Chevy, I have to admit, the '06+ Monte's look a lot better than those whimpy 6 cyl ones.

juno
08-11-2006, 05:46 AM
It appears to me they were included, but I do not know which models. The town car came in second to the Lexus LS 430 in large premium cars.


Large Fish...............Small Pond;) . Take one step further though....... Include Large European Sedans, and I think you will find the same results. I hear about lots of niggles and jiggles in Bimmers, Benzes, Jags, and Volvos from my buds still in the biz..........

Lexus on the other hand.......... We might have to fight a little.

Regards,