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dwasson
09-11-2006, 05:49 PM
From: http://www.hamptonroads.com/stories/crown_vics.html

By BY LARRY PRINTZ, The Virginian-Pilot
© September 9, 2006

Maybe you haven't noticed, but it seems that every police officer drives a Ford Crown Victoria.

With more modern alternatives available, you have to wonder what law enforcement officials find so appealing about the full-sized, American car dating to the late 1970s.

Of the 62,545 Crown Victorias sold in 2005, 47,300 were Crown Victoria Police Interceptors - 80 percent of all police cars sold in the United States. Only 6,908 Crown Victorias went to retail buyers, with the remainder going to fleet buyers.

According to Tony Gratson, government sales manager for Ford Motor Company, the car is popular with law enforcement for what it offers: lots of space, rear-wheel drive and a V-8 engine.

"It's a larger car, full-sized. It's much larger than the Chevrolet police car. It has great visibility all the way around," explains Skip Webb, fleet manager at Hall Automotive in Virginia Beach. Webb sells fleet vehicles throughout Virginia, including police cars from all domestic manufacturers, such as the Dodge Charger and Chevrolet Impala.

"The Dodge has limited visibility to the rear. The Chevrolet Impala is not as large a car. Once you put a screen or a barricade behind the driver to protect the officer from whoever is riding in the back seat, it's very limited."

Cpl. Ollan Burruss, of the Norfolk Police Department, says this was a consideration when deciding whether to purchase Impalas.

"When we put the cage in there for the safety of our officers, the seats won't go back far enough. So larger officers have problems getting in and out of the car, and there are restrictions in the back seat. The amount of room they have in the back is limited."

Burruss also says the Ford has a presence that the Chevrolet lacks.

"When you're in the Crown Victoria, people tend to take notice. They're not running red lights, they're paying attention. The car stands out more, and that makes me feel more secure. Even in an unmarked Impala, people do all kinds of stupid stuff, and you're like, 'you know, don't they know I'm a police officer?"

Aside from space and presence, police need their vehicles to be durable - especially patrol cars, which run 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The Crown Victoria is built the same way as most trucks, using body-on-frame construction. This lends the Crown Victoria the durability to withstand the tough demands expected of it, while making it easier to fix than its competitors.

"It's a lot more expensive to repair a front-wheel-drive vehicle than it is a rear-wheel-drive vehicle," says Burruss.

"For a lot of front-wheel-drive vehicles, you've got to drop the transmission and pull the motor. If you have a problem with the driveshaft in a rear-wheel-drive vehicle, you put in new u-joints and you're on your way."

Police departments do buy vehicles other than Crown Victorias. In Norfolk, detectives usually drive Chevrolet Impalas. SUVs, such as the Ford Explorer and Chevrolet Tahoe, are bought for weather emergencies, since Norfolk's streets flood easily. Except for the rear-wheel-drive Tahoe, SUVs aren't pursuit-rated, limiting their usefulness.

Ford has maintained its leadership by setting up a police advisory board to suggest ways of improving the Crown Victoria for police use. This has led to such safety features, as a factory-installed fire-suppression system and ballistic door panels that provide protection from projectiles, including bullets.

It's also led to some extreme testing. Ford is the only manufacturer that rear crash tests their police car at 75 mph, to ensure the front-seat space remains intact in high-speed impacts.

While Ford changes the car to improve its performance or safety, the change is never radical. "Police departments want the car to stay the same, but they want it to improve. For instance, you don't want to make them buy new cages," explains Gratson.

Money is always an issue, not simply in equipping or maintaining the cars, but buying them as well. This is where the Crown Victoria holds the advantage, according to Burruss.

"From what I've been told, the average price is about $25-$26,000 for the Dodge Charger police package. Right now, it costs us $18,000 for a Crown Victoria. For the price of three Chargers, you can buy four Crown Victorias."

This adds up to a vehicle that most departments will continue to buy, according to Webb.

"It's been a good vehicle that's lasted a long time for the departments. They would really have to have a reason to change it. The other vehicles have not offered everything that the Crown Victoria does."

WHAT POLICE DRIVE

When it comes to cop cars, the Ford Crown Victoria remains the dominent choice of law enforcement. Both Chevrolet and Dodge seek to change that.


Chevrolet Impala
Engine: 3.9-liter 240-horsepower OHV V-6
Transmission: Four-speed automatic
Drive wheels: Front
Alternator: 150 amps
Wheelbase: 110.5 inches
Length: 200.4 inches
Passenger volume: 104.5 cubic ft.
Safety systems: Front-seat airbags, anti-lock disc brakes


Dodge Charger
Engine: 3.5-liter 250-horsepower V-6 or 5.7-liter 340-horsepower V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic
Drive wheels: Rear
Alternator: 160 amps
Wheelbase: 120 inches
Length: 200.1 inches
Passenger volume: 120.2 cubic ft.
Safety systems: anti-lock brakes, front seat airbaghs, traction control, electronic stability control, emergency brake assist


Ford Crown Victoria
Engine: 4.6-liter 250-horsepower SOHC V-8
Transmission: Four-speed automatic
Drive wheels: Rear
Alternator: 200 amps
Wheelbase: 114.6 inches
Length: 212 inches
Passenger volume: 106.4 cubic ft.
Safety systems: anti-lock brakes, front seat airbaghs, traction control, optional ballistic door panels, optional fire suppression system

• Reach Larry Printz at (757) 446-2220 or larry.printz@pilotonline.com.

Marauder2005
09-11-2006, 06:24 PM
Read that on CVN. Good to see some + news about the CV/Panthers.

Bigdogjim
09-11-2006, 06:30 PM
Where I work in Ewing Twp. NJ the local Officers told me it's only a few curb hit to wreck a front wheel drive car.

Makes sense to stick with CVPI cars let hope the Ford boss sees the light?

Raudermaster
09-11-2006, 06:58 PM
It's about time. Some guys on CVN were saying that the Panther platform might dissappear. That's a low number though, 6k only going to retailers? Well, if Ford wants every PD to keep on using the Panther's, they better upgrade the tired SOHC 4.6l to something with a more powerful punch. I mean, Chevy's 3.9 is putting out 10 less HP with two less cylinders, and Dodge's V6 is dead even with them at 250.

dwasson
09-11-2006, 07:09 PM
It's about time. Some guys on CVN were saying that the Panther platform might dissappear. That's a low number though, 6k only going to retailers? Well, if Ford wants every PD to keep on using the Panther's, they better upgrade the tired SOHC 4.6l to something with a more powerful punch. I mean, Chevy's 3.9 is putting out 10 less HP with two less cylinders, and Dodge's V6 is dead even with them at 250.

The low retail sales was surprising to me too. Admittedly, living in Detroit we see a different mix of cars than the rest of country. But, I see a lot of CVs that look privately owned around here. I read that Ford intended to stop all retail sales of the CV and just offer it to fleets and police. But that was at least two changes in direction ago.

There's more to the motors than HP. If Ford can demonstrate that the 4.6 is more reliable than the others I can see why a PD would prefer it even if is less powerful.

ex00p71
09-11-2006, 07:13 PM
I'm betting it makes more torque than everything on the list except for the 5.7.

DEFYANT
09-11-2006, 07:30 PM
I drove an 06 CVPI recently.

Nice car, but the drive by wire and 3:27 gears would take a bit of getting used too.

Does anyone know if they have a "soft" tune in the car until break-in is done?

Vortex
09-11-2006, 08:39 PM
It's about time. Some guys on CVN were saying that the Panther platform might dissappear. That's a low number though, 6k only going to retailers? Well, if Ford wants every PD to keep on using the Panther's, they better upgrade the tired SOHC 4.6l to something with a more powerful punch. I mean, Chevy's 3.9 is putting out 10 less HP with two less cylinders, and Dodge's V6 is dead even with them at 250.

I believe I read over 50,000 Grand Marquis are sold every year.

hitchhiker
09-11-2006, 10:30 PM
IMHO, the CV and GM's are a victim of little or no marketing effort. Compared to other makes they offer a lot for the money. The last few years they could even be had for around $20K during the last few months of each model year! In the good old days all the mid size and full size models were offered at various trim and power levels giving the public a wide range of options. Ford should extend the life of the CV's and GM's with more trim, option, and engine options up to and including an option package that approximates our Marauders and advertise them. Also, the Marauder really isn't bad on gas if I keep my foot out of it. Like that's realy going to happen, LOL!

:D

RoyLPita
09-12-2006, 03:57 AM
Good article. :up:

KAILUAZ
09-12-2006, 06:26 AM
Only 6,908 Crown Victorias went to retail buyers Cool, looks like my 05 Sport is a collectible!! :rolleyes:
The Whimpala is a piece of crap police car and looking at the three Chargers we just got (non Hemi) I don't think they are any better.
I'll take my old Vic back please!

RoyLPita
09-12-2006, 06:31 AM
I think the fixed rear antenna turned off some buyers.

RoyLPita
09-12-2006, 06:44 AM
Cool, looks like my 05 Sport is a collectible!! :rolleyes:
The Whimpala is a piece of crap police car and looking at the three Chargers we just got (non Hemi) I don't think they are any better.
I'll take my old Vic back please!

I also believe that CVs with HPP are also collectible.

KAILUAZ
09-12-2006, 06:55 AM
I think the fixed rear antenna turned off some buyers.

Cutting it shorter was my first "mod".

RoyLPita
09-12-2006, 07:05 AM
I drove an 06 CVPI recently.

Nice car, but the drive by wire and 3:27 gears would take a bit of getting used too.

Does anyone know if they have a "soft" tune in the car until break-in is done?

I talked to 2 driveability techs and my assistant manager and they said that there is no break in tune. They did say that there is an instant hesitation when the pedal is pushed, though.

Just so you know, a CVPI with 3.27 gears is no match whatsoever to your beast.

Vortex
09-12-2006, 03:29 PM
I think the fixed rear antenna turned off some buyers.

I had thought they changed that in 06 back to the antennae in the glass. Anyway, I went to the "official" LM site the the "official" photos show it with and without that ugly rear antennae. What gives? (Or, is it yet another example of Ford doing less than a half a$$ job of advertising the CV/GM?)

RoyLPita
09-12-2006, 05:07 PM
I had thought they changed that in 06 back to the antennae in the glass. Anyway, I went to the "official" LM site the the "official" photos show it with and without that ugly rear antennae. What gives? (Or, is it yet another example of Ford doing less than a half a$$ job of advertising the CV/GM?)

Actually, Ford did put the antenna back into the rear window. It is a cleaner desgin that its predecessor. My dealer had a used rental '06 with the '05 back window. Needless to say, the new owners now need an antenna.

DEFYANT
09-12-2006, 06:24 PM
I talked to 2 driveability techs and my assistant manager and they said that there is no break in tune. They did say that there is an instant hesitation when the pedal is pushed, though.

Just so you know, a CVPI with 3.27 gears is no match whatsoever to your beast.

No match for the Marauder, I know..

But I'd swear my 04 CVPI is nicer. With zero mods, my car feels faster and has quicker response. I really like the "connected" feel I have through the gas pedal. And the guage panel would take some getting used to also. They added a tach and made the speedo smaller. I drove the new CVPI at night. I really had to focus on the speedo to see the numbers. The old style guage cluster (ours) is a much easier to read at a glance.

A simple aftermarket tune would do the car a world of good! Oh and a set of gears!! 3:27s?? :puke: !

Constable
09-12-2006, 11:11 PM
My new CVPI came in two weeks ago. It's got the optional 3.55's. I can't wait for it to be done getting outfitted. I like the fact that it DOESN'T have electronic traction control. I'm also digging the tach and side airbags.

I wrecked my current PI, an '03, on Christams of '02. The car was absolutely destroyed with only 4,000 miles on it. $14,000 in damage. I walked out without a scratch (although I did have to kick out the door and pull a Bo Duke contortionist move). The car is still in service and has over 140,000 miles on it. Runs better than the day I wrecked it :)

I feel very safe in them because of that event...

RoyLPita
09-13-2006, 03:57 AM
Maybe Lidio has a tune for the CVPI. I agree with Constable about the 3.55s being available on the CVPI. They have been out, along with 250HP and the 200 AMp alternator since 2004. Maybe your 2004 had 3.55s? Got a VIN??

merc6
09-20-2006, 11:21 PM
I too can say the CVPI has more room than the new impalas. even tho the new impalas have better lookig interior, it's already showing signs of wear at 2k on the odo. The new impalas are a big step up from the older 2k and up ones but not enough to brag about. The visability is also better in the cvpi. Impala with spotlights is dame near a 6 inch blind spot on your left and right foreward corners.