Why isn't the Marauder designated an SVT?

[Black_Noise]

Obviously its a special make (2 yr production, cobra motor, custom interior, gauges, wheels) we all know that, but why wasnt it givin and SVT badge from the factory?

[Donny Carlson]

Obviously its a special make (2 yr production, cobra motor, custom interior, gauges, wheels) we all know that, but why wasnt it givin and SVT badge from the factory?

At the time, SVT were Ford badged vehicles only. Only Ford certified SVT dealers could sell them, of which no Mercury dealer was SVT certified.

[94_302]

The idea was pitched to ford for a crown vic I think it was called Blackbird, but they said no. Then it got pitched to Mercury and they said yes. I don't remember all the details but I know I read that somewhere.

[MM03MOK]

Blackhawk

http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0101_ford_crown_victoria_b lackhawk/

[RR|Suki]

Obviously its a special make (2 yr production, cobra motor, custom interior, gauges, wheels) we all know that, but why wasnt it givin and SVT badge from the factory?

Also we don't have an SVT motor...

[Bluerauder]

The idea was pitched to ford for a crown vic I think it was called Blackbird, but they said no.
The Ford version was called the "Blackhawk". The only "Blackbird" around these parts belongs to Bunny. :D

[ckadiddle]

Rampant Corporate Idiocy.

[STLR FN]

John Colleli, head of SVT @ the time and since 'retired', also had a lot to do with the Marauder not being an SVT.

[SID210SA]

Ok...I have heard 2 differnt things about the engine in our Marauders......one is the Cobra motor and the other is the Mach I motor....is there a differnce and what is it....? And which is in the car?

[RR|Suki]

Ok...I have heard 2 differnt things about the engine in our Marauders......one is the Cobra motor and the other is the Mach I motor....is there a differnce and what is it....? And which is in the car?
Not the cobra one... the cobra motor is hand built and has different internals and such... I think we MIGHT have the same heads though. Our engines are much more like the Mach1 motor I think

[Bigdogjim]

Ok...I have heard 2 differnt things about the engine in our Marauders......one is the Cobra motor and the other is the Mach I motor....is there a differnce and what is it....? And which is in the car?

The truth is it is a LINCOLN engine. The 4.6 D.O.H.C. 32-V first saw service in the Mark VIII early 90's. Ford took the engine and put it on '01(?) Cobra and some people call it the "Cobra engine" You can search the site to find out the exact details.

[Power Surge]

The Marauder isn't an SVT, because it's doesn't have anything to do with SVT.

SVT vehicles are specialty built vehicles, designed by SVE (special vehicle engineering) and Roush. Even though it's not common public knowledge, Roush actually does most the designing on SVT vehicles. SVT vehicles are purpose built vehicles, refined in all aspects, as opposed to just putting a cool motor in a different body.

Lots of Ford vehicles over the years didn't get a "special" designation, even though they share a drivetrain with other vehicles that did. The SVO Mustang was a specialty vehicle, yet the Thunderbird Turbo Coupe had the same drivetrain and wasn't labeled as an SVO. Taurus SHO's weren't labeled as SVTs, even though they were in production during SVTs entire run (minus two years). Supercharged Super Coupes and XR7s didn't get a specialty designation either. The Lightning is an SVT, yet the Harley Truck with the same drivetrain is not.

The Marauder is a Grand Marquis with a cool motor, wheels, and cosmetics. Just like the Mustang Mach 1 is regular Mustang with a cool motor, wheels, and cosmetics. Just like the Turbo Coupe and the HD Truck. That's why it's not an SVT.

As for the Marauder motor, it's basically a Mach 1 engine (or Aviator engine, with a different upper intake). It's "similar" to a 99/01 Cobra engine, but it has different cams for more mid range power (like the Mach1 and Aviator do). And the Cobra engines are also hand assembled, whereas the Marauder, Mach1, Aviator, etc motors are regular production like engines.

[Power Surge]

The truth is it is a LINCOLN engine. The 4.6 D.O.H.C. 32-V first saw service in the Mark VIII early 90's. Ford took the engine and put it on '01(?) Cobra and some people call it the "Cobra engine" You can search the site to find out the exact details.

Well, it's sort of a Lincoln engine. It's the same as an Aviator truck engine, with a different upper intake. The current 4V motors are quite different from the original 4V 4.6 that debuted in the 93 Mark 8. The Cobra engine is the same design, but is a hand assembled motor for the Cobra. The Cobra version came out in 96.

[Drock96Marquis]

What Sal says is spot-on IMO.

The Marauder is more so a tricked-out Grand Marquis HPP mixed with some LX Sport. The suspension is all HPP parts, the exterior is GMQ with a CV rear with fancier valances, tips and rims. THe interior is the same as any 95+ CV/GM, but with aluminum-looking dot matrix trim instead of woodgrain, unique seats, and revised instrumentation. It doesn't have the qualities a true SVT vehicle posesses. I.e., a race-tuned performance
suspension, high out-put power plant, etc.

Now if Ford would have done what many of you have from the start, it would have been SVT potential. The trilogy, Metco control arms/watts, ADDCOs, qa1s, 4.10, etc. THAT could have qualified for an SVT car.
The Kenny Brown Marauder S is also a good example of what would make it like an SVT.


The Motor is most similar to the Aviators and Mach1s. The 93-98 Mark8s had the older style heads, but DID have a nice feature over the MMs, the IMRCs. They make for pretty impressive low-end performance. The Mark8s and the early Cobras also had that nifty Teksid aluminum block ;)

[SergntMac]

Some of the 411 I've collected over the years...

The '03-'04 Marauder, Mach I and Aviator use the same engine, just different intake and front accessory location. Aluminum WAP block, 52cc combustion chamber, 9.8:1 compression, powdered metal pistons (with a 3cc dish) and powdered metal con rods. Cast crank, except for the Mach I with manual tranny. That car gets the 8 bolt crank.

The '03-'04 Mustang Cobra, Marauder, Mustang Mach I and Aviator heads, cams, etc, are identical across the builds. They are 4th generation FR500/Ford GT "supercar" designs, just lacking some refinement to the casting. Their shortcoming is powdered metal valve seats, thin valve spring seats (cups) and the valve spring could be a tad stronger. Still, out of the box, a very strong performer in it's OEM trim. These heads are also used in recent 5.4L powered automobiles.

Hope this helps with some of the confusion, carry on gents.

[Warpath]

MM engines and all 4.6 engines except 03/04 Cobra got hypereutectic cast aluminum pistons and not powdered metal.

03/04 Cobra, MM, Mach 1, maybe Aviator have the same heads as you mentioned. MM, Mach 1, and maybe Aviator have aluminum blocks. 03/04 Cobra has an iron block and, of course, is force fed.

[Power Surge]

Right, the modular rods are powdered metal, not the pistons. And those rods are complete crap :). The 03/04 Cobra has Manley H-beams.

[Breadfan]

Right, the modular rods are powdered metal, not the pistons. And those rods are complete crap :). The 03/04 Cobra has Manley H-beams.

And we have Girlie-Manley powdered rods. ;) (not made by Manley corp)

The info in this thread is good, and I agree - the main difference as stated is the SVT is purpose built and they will put in new stuff. All in all the Marauder was a "parts bin" build-up.

It also suffered from bean-counter mishaps that resulted in not enough power from the factory. SVT probably would have done things differently in that end...I'm assuming they probably have a bit more leeway towards to performance side of things...

Still SVT or not these cars sure do have great potential and are still nice rides in full stock form. :beer:

[Power Surge]

The info in this thread is good, and I agree - the main difference as stated is the SVT is purpose built and they will put in new stuff. All in all the Marauder was a "parts bin" build-up.


Well.... not so fast....

The original idea behind SVT vehicles, was to make a great performance vehicle, and to use as many factory parts as possible, usually taken from other vehicles or areas of Ford. The original Cobra and Lightning, had motors built right out of the motorsport catalog. Certain frame designs and suspension parts were taken from other vehicles and used. The original SVT vehicles WERE really parts bin built vehicles, which were carefully selected, built, and refined. The difference is that an SVT vehicle is a "total package" of performance, not just a cool motor in a regular car.

And here's a little piece of SVT trivia for you.... The original Gen 1 Lightning had nothing to do with SVT ;).

[STLR FN]

Well.... not so fast....

The original idea behind SVT vehicles, was to make a great performance vehicle, and to use as many factory parts as possible, usually taken from other vehicles or areas of Ford. The original Cobra and Lightning, had motors built right out of the motorsport catalog. Certain frame designs and suspension parts were taken from other vehicles and used. The original SVT vehicles WERE really parts bin built vehicles, which were carefully selected, built, and refined. The difference is that an SVT vehicle is a "total package" of performance, not just a cool motor in a regular car.

And here's a little piece of SVT trivia for you.... The original Gen 1 Lightning had nothing to do with SVT ;).
Hence my comment about John Colleli having a lot to do with the Marauder not being an SVT.

[SergntMac]

MM engines and all 4.6 engines except 03/04 Cobra got hypereutectic cast aluminum pistons and not powdered metal.

03/04 Cobra, MM, Mach 1, maybe Aviator have the same heads as you mentioned. MM, Mach 1, and maybe Aviator have aluminum blocks. 03/04 Cobra has an iron block and, of course, is force fed.Dayum...I knew that, but went through the post too quickly. You are indeed correct on the piston material, thanks for the reminder. Agreed on the block material, don't think I mentioned that.

[RedMerc04]

The 93-98 Mark8s had the older style heads, but DID have a nice feature over the MMs, the IMRCs. They make for pretty impressive low-end performance. The Mark8s and the early Cobras also had that nifty Teksid aluminum block ;)
I have heard of the IMRC's. I know they arent around in our marauders; What Exactly do they do? Because My moms 98 continental feels a like it has a bit more power than the Marauder down low. I also noticed that one side of the throttle body opens more rapidly than the other. Which may help down low. Just Curious

[Power Surge]

I have heard of the IMRC's. I know they arent around in our marauders; What Exactly do they do? Because My moms 98 continental feels a like it has a bit more power than the Marauder down low. I also noticed that one side of the throttle body opens more rapidly than the other. Which may help down low. Just Curious


IMRC stands for Intake Manifold Runner Control. Basically, there are two sets of intake runners, long and short. The long runners are used at lower rpms, to keep intake charge velocity high for more low end torque. Then at higher rpms, the computer opens the butterfly valves to redirect the air to the shorter runners for better high rpm power.

Lots of Ford's use this setup, mostly on 4 valve head motors, v8 and v6. Heck, even some of the 4 bangers have it. The Aviator motor uses it too.

[Drock96Marquis]

IMRC = Intake Manifold Runner Control. It does jsut that, controls the length of the intake runners to help promote low end torque, and still have good top-end breathing. All by switching between the two runner lengths for each each cylinder. It uses a servo to acutaute the runner valving. THere is some good info about it in the FSM, I can PM it to you if you'd like.

The 96+ SHO used this system as well as the Continental.


Edit: Sal beat me to it! :P

[Raudermaster]

Hey Sal, I knew the Gen 1 Lightning did not have an SVT badge on it, why is that? Same goes for the Fox Body Cobra in '93 when the Gen 1 Lightning debuted.

[Power Surge]

Hey Sal, I knew the Gen 1 Lightning did not have an SVT badge on it, why is that? Same goes for the Fox Body Cobra in '93 when the Gen 1 Lightning debuted.

The 93 and 94 Lightning had no SVT badge on it, but the 95 did. The 93 Cobra DID have it though.

The original Lightning was developed by the Ford Performance Truck Team in 92, to debut as a 93 model. At the same time, SVT had just been created, and the Cobra was going to be the first SVT marketed model (SVT is just a marketing company). They asked Ford if they could take the Lightning, and sell it along side the Cobra as an SVT vehicle, and viola... the SVT Lightning is born. Then Gen 2 trucks are legit SVT though.

[Black_Noise]

SVT vehicles are specialty built vehicles, designed by SVE (special vehicle engineering) and Roush.


roush was in on the marauder, and i still feel that something that was built for only two yrs with so much changed over the grand marquis should be a special vehicle


but i guess i did kinda forget about the ford-mercury being "seperate" companys

[99SVT]

IMRC stands for Intake Manifold Runner Control. Basically, there are two sets of intake runners, long and short. The long runners are used at lower rpms, to keep intake charge velocity high for more low end torque. Then at higher rpms, the computer opens the butterfly valves to redirect the air to the shorter runners for better high rpm power.

Lots of Ford's use this setup, mostly on 4 valve head motors, v8 and v6. Heck, even some of the 4 bangers have it. The Aviator motor uses it too.

That's usually how they work, but the 93-98 4V's used the IMRC to shut off one of the intake valves by blocking off air flow to it. The early heads had a separate port for each valve and the IMRC would block off half of them until 3200rpm. The round ports in the pic.
Here's a pic of the early heads:
http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/online/images/2041.jpg

Here's a pic of the heads we use:
http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/online/images/2053.jpg

To be an SVT the Marauder would have to have more power and better brakes at a minimum. There were rumours of opening the SVT line to other Ford brand vehicles a few years ago as they wanted to go more upscale, that was the reason for the discontinuing of the SVT focus. SVT also had problems with manpower as they were constantly being pulled away to design new concept cars as well as the Ford GT. It left no room to build the new Cobra or Lightning after the redesign of the base vehicles, let alone start with something new. Now that the bean counters are in control of Ford, things aren't looking too good for SVT.

[TAF]

Original question was...

Why isn't the Marauder designated an SVT?


Well...'cause it's better than anything SVT (which is now GONE, no matter how you slice it) ever made.... :P ;)

[Blackened300a]

I just wonder if the Marauder fell under the SVT catagory. Would it have sold better and would that have justified the $35K price tag?

[RR|Suki]

I just wonder if the Marauder fell under the SVT catagory. Would it have sold better and would that have justified the $35K price tag?

not without a blower... or a 5.4 with good torque to begin with

[423REED]

REGARDING THE MARAUDER V8 ENGINE (FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION):
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The heart and soul of the Marauder of course, is its naturally aspirated V8 engine, used with slight modifications. It is tweaked-out, all-aluminum, 4.6-liter DOHC, 32-valves, with 302 horsepower at 5,750 rpm, 318 foot-pounds of torque at 4,300 rpm and a 6,250 rpm redline. The all-aluminum 4.6-liter engine that was developed specifically for the Marauder. Power train refinements for 2004 included new dual knock sensors. Dual knock sensors provide for a more precise spark advance and a corresponding improvement in the engine's overall performance and low-end acceleration. The Marauder's higher output comes from the different valvetrain, including four rather than just two or three valves per cylinder, a modified dual exhaust system and a Roush Performance intake manifold.

The aluminum lower intake manifold was borrowed from the Mustang Cobra V8 engine. The aluminum upper intake is a Jack Roush Performance engineered Marauder-specific piece, and the throttle body is the dual-bore 57mm (2.244") throttle body from the Ford Lightning truck and the Bullitt Mustang. It has a high flow air cleaner, zip tube, upper intake and Cobra lower intake. Marauder has the lowest air intake restriction of anything that Ford currently builds. The compression ratio is 10.0:1, requiring premium fuel (91 octane minimum, but 93 octane is best).
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The Marauder boasts a true dual exhaust system (real duals, not just dual exhaust tips), in which the exhaust leaves via a 2½ inch dual exhaust with 2¼ inch tailpipes that are accentuated with a pair of 3½ inch O.D. X 26" long polished stainless steel exhaust tips. The V8 dual exhaust has a great muscle sedan rumble that's audible (but not overpowering), at idle and under moderate acceleration, and has more of a growl when you really get on the gas. It announces that the Marauder is a true American performance car. It even sounds good inside the car, where the engine and transmission emit a glassy idle and a faint whine not unlike that of a supercharger. And its top speed is limited to about 117-122 mph in order to avoid driveshaft vibration.
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We can argue all day long about why and if the marauder does or doesn't qualify as a true SVT type of car. All I know is my 2004 Marauder is the best dam performance car that I have ever owned from FOMOCO in 41 years of driving mostly Ford products. Most were touted as performance cars. But they usually ended up being mostly stripes, paint, and spoiler packages, sometimes with higher power, sometimes not. I personally love my Marauder very much. It seems to do everything that I want it to do...always very fast and comfortable.
Jim
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2004 MERCURY MARAUDER - DTR BORN 04/19/06
1994 FORD TAURUS SHO - DK GREEN

[Mard]

What Jim said above....plus what I'm reading from the official 03 Mercury Marauder brochure.
1) reinforced 11.25" high stall torque converter
2) specially tuned coil-over-spring front independent suspension with Tokico monotube shocks and 28mm stabilizer bar.
3) 18 inch lightweight polished alloy wheels with BFGoodrich Ultra High Performance g-force T/A KDWs
4) 55 watt Cibie fog lamps

I would have a difficult time saying this car didn't have enough unique features to say it wouldn't qualify for an SVT badge.

[LILALLEYKATT]

I ordered a 94 Lightening and a month or so after I took delivery of it Ford Motor sent me a very nice Framable document as to its production build # and proclaimed it as a special build. It made me feel as if I owned an exclusive SVT vehicle...

[Merc-O-matic]

Rumor has it that FoMoCo is going to build a new (Special) Mustang
for 2008 called the "Boss 302" (retro/new) with a new 5.0L engine
and 390 HP. I would think that 302 CID motor would fit nicely in the Marauder.. Too bad our Marauder's were built
5-6 years too early. 390 ponies stock would have been nice!


Gotta Love It!

[Glenn]

Keith: Please respond

Your DOHC head photos were very interesting. The MM apparently have the "D" port type exhaust heads versus the older "O" design heads. I have installed the M9430E465 1996-02 Cobra DOHC FR shorty headers with the Cobra hi-flow X-pipe and CATS on my MM . These headers, I believe, are used for the older 4.6 DOHC "O" port head. If "O" shorty headers are installed on MM "D" port heads how much exhaust flow is affected and estimated lose of HP due to this mis-match?? Does the mis-match really make a difference?

Thanks,

Glenn

[RedMerc04]

Thanks to all for sheding light on the IMRC thing. Now I understand, It seems I learn something new every day on here. Thanks again :D

[Cobra25]

I'll say only this, My Marauder Has SVT Badge's on it. So Does TMAC's.

[Drock96Marquis]

What Jim said above....plus what I'm reading from the official 03 Mercury Marauder brochure.
1) reinforced 11.25" high stall torque converter
The 2003's torque convertor is the same as the CVPI/HPPs. The 2004 OTOH, is a unique piece with needle bearings and teflon seals.



2) specially tuned coil-over-spring front independent suspension with Tokico monotube shocks and 28mm stabilizer bar.
The suspension is the same as a run of the mill 2003+ HPP, including the bar (28mm)
The 2003 CV/GM brochures say the same thing :P



I would have a difficult time saying this car didn't have enough unique features to say it wouldn't qualify for an SVT badge.


I would. Unless it had substansially more reliable power (ie you trilogy guys), it isn't SVT material. You've all heard the 'gutless' performance reviews of the MM, and it was just a Mercury. If it had an SVT badge, people would EXPECT much more, the MM would have disappointed, and been even more of a flop than it was.

[Glenn]

Cobra25:

I guess I am not the only MM owner with the SVT badge on the car. Mine is on the left side of the trunk lid. Where is your badge located? I also have the SVO rear gridle cover.

Glenn

[Black_Noise]

mine also has an svt badge

[99SVT]

Keith: Please respond

Your DOHC head photos were very interesting. The MM apparently have the "D" port type exhaust heads versus the older "O" design heads. I have installed the M9430E465 1996-02 Cobra DOHC FR shorty headers with the Cobra hi-flow X-pipe and CATS on my MM . These headers, I believe, are used for the older 4.6 DOHC "O" port head. If "O" shorty headers are installed on MM "D" port heads how much exhaust flow is affected and estimated lose of HP due to this mis-match?? Does the mis-match really make a difference?

Thanks,

Glenn

I don't think you'll have a loss of power using the FR shorties. I used them on my 99 Cobra and they were a small improvement over the stock manifolds. The Maruader manifolds look a LOT more restrictive than the Cobra ones so I don't think the mismatch would be that much of a loss. The headers also have a larger flange than the manifolds do, so I'd be inclined to say it's a non issue.

[Glenn]

Thanks Keith for the response.


Glenn

[Cobra25]

Cobra25:

I guess I am not the only MM owner with the SVT badge on the car. Mine is on the left side of the trunk lid. Where is your badge located? I also have the SVO rear gridle cover.

Glenn Mine is in the same place. So Is TMAC's.

[Loco1234]

I have SVT badge on left upper rear of the trunk lid....

[Warpath]

...The suspension is the same as a run of the mill 2003+ HPP, including the bar (28mm)
The 2003 CV/GM brochures say the same thing :P...

MM's have unique front springs that lower the front end. I wouldn't be surprised if the shock damping was tuned for the new springs. Otherwise, it's the run of the mill suspension.

[Mard]

The 2003's torque convertor is the same as the CVPI/HPPs. The 2004 OTOH, is a unique piece with needle bearings and teflon seals.


The suspension is the same as a run of the mill 2003+ HPP, including the bar (28mm)
The 2003 CV/GM brochures say the same thing :P




I would. Unless it had substansially more reliable power (ie you trilogy guys), it isn't SVT material. You've all heard the 'gutless' performance reviews of the MM, and it was just a Mercury. If it had an SVT badge, people would EXPECT much more, the MM would have disappointed, and been even more of a flop than it was.

Before I bought my Marauder I drove a new CV LX Sport and was honestly disappointed. I then test drove the Marauader and was hooked. I have owned a 97 SVT Cobra, which was a great car, but I prefer the Marauder for what it is.....a very large 4300 pound car that has above average acceleration and holds it own through the corners....surprises many.

As far as flops, other SVT cars that come to mine are the Focus and Contour. Both very nice cars, but I don't think either were flying out of the showrooms.

[merc6]

lol the contour svt was a body kit and badges to most. At least we have the "unknown cloud" over our cars so they assume it's a 17 second old people mover. LOL when we had a cam day at the track cars refused to line up against us in the beginning so we raced each other. I wanted a svt badge but I settled for the pursiut vehicle one to do the opposite. Make people not want to street race me. So far it's been working.

[Power Surge]

Not to insult anyone, but why would you put an SVT badge on your Marauder? The car is not an SVT. How do you guys feel about people putting Marauder stuff on non-Marauders? If I had to guess, it probably doesn't go over too well.

Heck, my Interceptor is more SVT than a Marauder. At least it's got an SVT motor in it :D.

[TAF]

Not to insult anyone, but why would you put an SVT badge on your Marauder? The car is not an SVT. How do you guys feel about people putting Marauder stuff on non-Marauders? If I had to guess, it probably doesn't go over too well.

Heck, my Interceptor is more SVT than a Marauder. At least it's got an SVT motor in it :D.


Why do you want to have a big hole in your hood?

[Mard]

Here's a confused soul. Wonder what badges this special order car came with?:rofl:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/215304375.html

[Power Surge]

Why do you want to have a big hole in your hood?

What does that have to do with anything?

[TAF]

What does that have to do with anything?

You're asking some guys here why they put an SVT badge on their car....it's because they WANTED to.

I asked why'd you want to have a big, stupid hole in your hood (OK...so I added the "big & stupid" this time)...

EDIT: AND a "Rhino Pushy-bar" and dual "Police Impersonator" spot lights.......I assume 'cause you wanted to.

[Power Surge]

You're asking some guys here why they put an SVT badge on their car....it's because they WANTED to.

I asked why'd you want to have a big, stupid hole in your hood (OK...so I added the "big & stupid" this time)...I assume 'cause you wanted to.

No, I am asking why people would want to put a badge on their car for something that it's not. You know that of course.

[TAF]

No, I am asking why people would want to put a badge on their car for something that it's not. You know that of course.


EDIT: AND a "Rhino Pushy-bar" and dual "Police Impersonator" spot lights.......I assume 'cause you wanted to.


Speaking of "something you're NOT"...check out my edited post above ^^^^

[Power Surge]

Speaking of "something you're NOT"...check out my edited post above ^^^^

Your obvious attempt to insult my car really has nothing to do with what I asked, and you still haven't answered the question.

[Black_Noise]

i put one on because i wanted to, and its actually pretty easy to argue that it does belong there to the people who ask about it in person, and i also had an ex patrol car, i had a push bar (never installed) and a center console, and i had them because i wanted to put them in there, even though it doesnt make it a REAL police car, it can be the best clone, but its still a clone...

i dont car if the badge doesnt belong on there, i just started this thread cause i wanted to know why it wasnt SPECIAL VEHICLE team (SVT) production car because it was so unique, not start trying to prove people wrong for also think it could/ should have been

its a mercury, and thats the reason im saying it didnt get the ford svt badge

[TAF]

i put one on because i wanted to,

There's your answer^^^

And if you re-read my posts (even though I have no badges on my car) I gave you the same answer... 'cause they wanted to.

[Power Surge]

i put one on because i wanted to, and its actually pretty easy to argue that it does belong there to the people who ask about it in person, and i also had an ex patrol car, i had a push bar (never installed) and a center console, and i had them because i wanted to put them in there, even though it doesnt make it a REAL police car, it can be the best clone, but its still a clone...

i dont car if the badge doesnt belong on there, i just started this thread cause i wanted to know why it wasnt SPECIAL VEHICLE team (SVT) production car because it was so unique, not start trying to prove people wrong for also think it could/ should have been

its a mercury, and thats the reason im saying it didnt get the ford svt badge

Thank you for a mature response.

The MM didn't get an SVT badge because it's got nothing to do with SVT. It wasn't designed or marketed by SVT. It doesn't matter that it's a Mercury and not a Ford. Ford's had plenty of performance models that aren't badged as SVT's either, for the same reason... they have nothing to do with SVT.

[yamahaSHO]

Taurus SHO's weren't labeled as SVTs, even though they were in production during SVTs entire run (minus two years).


SVT came out in 93/94. The SHO came out in 88/89. That's a few more than two years it wasn't made while the SHO was out.