Sticky: Difference between a 2003 300A and a 300B

[Blackened300a]

This topic has been asked a million times, I shall break this down and hopefully this will be the "go to" thread on this question that arises quite often.

300A's were the first issue of Marauders they were all black and had the following equipment...

Auto release fuel door
In-dash Clock
Map pockets in the front seats
Full size spare
Auto Release Parking brake
Windshield tint
Hood light
4R70W Transmission
Single engine knock sensor
Black Valve covers
2400 Stall convertor


Only options for the early 300A's were a trunk organizer, rear spoiler, and a 6 Disc CD changer.

300B's came out mid year and were offered in black, silver and dark blue pearl. They had less features then the 300A so they are considered "Decontented"

Differences on the 300B are...

Heated seats
Traction control
Manual fuel door
Mini Spare
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield
No map pockets
Clock in radio
No Hood Light

Options for the 2003 300B's and all 2004 Marauders were a 6 Disc CD changer, rear spoiler, sunroof, and trunk organizer.

Some mid production year Marauders have been found to have a little bit of the 300A and 300B features combined.

2004 Marauders were offered in black, silver, and dark torador red which replaced dark blue pearl. New additions for the 2004 were the 4R75W transmission with stronger internals and torque convertor with most likely the same stall speed of the 2003. The Black valve covers were dropped and plain aluminum were used instead. The 04 was also given dual knock sensors.
2004's were offered in 300A but all features were those of a 300B.

[GreekGod]

I thought the 4R75W was an '04 change?

[BruteForce]

You forgot to mention that the 300A is faster. :D

[Blackened300a]

You may be correct but 04 model years sold in 03 so I have no idea when the tranny swap came in.
If they changed over all that stuff mid year, I dont see why they wouldn't have put the different tranny in as well.

[Bigdogjim]

Hey you gota let new members start asking questions sometime:rofl:

[lastdaze04]

being the newbie amongst y'all this brings up another question sure to bring up some controvery.
What's the difference between the 4R70W tranny and the 4R75W tranny besides the difference in stall converters. Which is better to beef up, which holds up under the pounding of a S/C motor blah blah blah....

[jgc61sr2002]

I thought the 4R75W was an '04 change?

That is correct


All 300A's are Black
Most 300B's have an underhood light.
The 2004 has Aluminum colored valve covers.

[94_302]

The Dual knock sensors and the stall I believe were 04 only. Also 03 had the fading down tint on the top of the winshield and B's had a dot matrix.

[cyclopsram]

All 2004 Marauders are 300A.... alphabet models start over each model year... and all 2004s have M79 in the VIN distinguishing them from the Grand Marquis.. M75... unlike 2003 when they were all M75..... RAM:P

[cyclopsram]

Don't forget the park brake automatic release when drive is engaged... I believe that went away in the 2003 300A/B transition...along with the non polished wheel and full size spare tire,..... all Canadian Marauders had traction control... and were in 2003... all 300B RAM

[Blackened300a]

All 2004 Marauders are 300A.... alphabet models start over each model year

Would the owner of a 2004 300A please come forward.

The full size spare was replaced for a mini spare when Traction control was offered. Thats covered in my original post

[CRUZTAKER]

Blackened...

Keep accepting input and editing your original post.

When the information is complete, accurate, and agreed upon by the masses that really know, it will be a valuable tool to to direct newbies toward.

It would make a great sticky.;)

[Blackened300a]

Blackened...

Keep accepting input and editing your original post.

When the information is complete, accurate, and agreed upon by the masses that really know, it will be a valuable tool to to direct newbies toward.

It would make a great sticky.;)

Thank you and I plan too

[sweetair]

This topic has been asked a million times, Since nobody likes using the search button I shall break this down and hopefully this will be the "go to" thread on this question that arises every month.

300A's were the first issue of Marauders they were all black and had the following equipment

Auto release fuel door
In-dash Clock
Map pockets in the front seats
Full size spare
Windsheild tint
Hood light
4R70W Transmission
Single engine knock sensor
Black Valve covers
2400 Stall convertor


Only options for the early 300A's were a trunk organizer and a 6 Disc CD changer.

300B's came out mid year and were offered in Black, Silver and Blue. They had less features then the 300A so they are considered "Decontented"
Differences on the 300B are...

Heated seats
Traction control
Manual fuel door
Mini Spare
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield
Aluminum Valve covers
No map pockets
Clock in radio
No Hood Light
Dual Engine Knock Sensors
2700 Stall convertor

Options were 6 Disc CD changer, Rear Spoiler, Sunroof, and Trunk organizer

Some Marauders have been found to have a little bit of the 300A and 300B features combined.
All 2004 Marauders are 300B's and offered in Black, Silver, DTR which replaced Blue and the addition of the 4R75W transmission

I may have forgotten something so feel free to chime in.
Maybe we can save useless threads about questions we answered a million times over.My 300B has the underhood light, and a single knock sensor, I saw it while installing the blower. Black valve covers as well. The rest of your list I have as stated. Good job.

[Blackened300a]

My 300B has the underhood light, and a single knock sensor, I saw it while installing the blower. Black valve covers as well. The rest of your list I have as stated. Good job.

There has even been 300A's with heated seats such as I believe bigdogjims. Thats why I added that there are some Marauders with 300A and 300B features combined

Keep the info coming and Ill edit it to perfection. Im just going from what I have remembered reading off the top of my head.

[StevenJ]

Are you sure that 03 300Bs have the higher stall torque convertor? I thought that was 04 only that had that.

[Bigdogjim]

There has even been 300A's with heated seats such as I believe bigdogjims. Thats why I added that there are some Marauders with 300A and 300B features combined

Keep the info coming and Ill edit it to perfection. Im just going from what I have remembered reading off the top of my head.

Yes my car does have heated seats:) Also remote start. These are added after delivery.Heat unit is the same as factory only switches are on the lower seat not the door. I am also the marauder with the concept stripe:burnout:

Light grey in the lower body moldeing.

[DEFYANT]

Would the owner of a 2004 300A please come forward.

The full size spare was replaced for a mini spare when Traction control was offered. Thats covered in my original post


:wave: Yo Paul, I'm ova he'a. 04's are "Order Code 300A"

[Bigdogjim]

Hey where are you?Oh now I see ya!

Thanks for stopping by:)

[hwy73]

As Defyant stated, 04's are called 300A's, but are equipped (or non-equipped) as 03-300B's.:mad2:

[Bluerauder]

There has even been 300A's with heated seats such as I believe bigdogjims. Thats why I added that there are some Marauders with 300A and 300B features combined

Keep the info coming and Ill edit it to perfection. Im just going from what I have remembered reading off the top of my head.

Heated seats and side mirrors was an option just like the trunk organizer. So, it doesn't count in the 300A vs. 300B discussion.

I have a 300B and also have the underhood light and black valve covers. :D

[MM03MOK]

Heated seats and side mirrors was an option just like the trunk organizer. What do you mean by side mirrors, Charlie?

[magindat]

Smaller details:

300A has 'screw on' headlight bulb rear covers. 300B is a rubber grommet.

300A has the little spoilers in front of the front wheels as a separate part while 300B has the little spoilers molded as part of the plastic cover.

Please add auto park brake release to 300A.

Also maybe add 'Instant tell-tale signs': 300B = finger pull on fuel door + no Traction Control Button by steering wheel.

Nice work.

[Bluerauder]

What do you mean by side mirrors, Charlie?
My side mirrors are also heated when you click the Rear Window Defrost. It's a combo kinda thing. :D

[Bigdogjim]

My side mirrors are also heated when you click the heated seat button. It's a combo kinda thing. :D

Really? In the 300 A car ('03's) they come on with the defrost button.

[Bluerauder]

Really? In the 300 A car ('03's) they come on with the defrost button.
Well, now that you mention it .... I gotta go look in the book. Maybe I've been cooking my buns for nothing. :rofl: Could be that I got the idea because the option was listed together as "Heated Seats and Mirrors". I am so confused ..... I'll check back on this.

[DEFYANT]

Now that right there is funny *****.

The mirrors heat up with the defroster buddy. :)

[GreekGod]

Now that right there is funny *****.

The mirrors heat up with the defroster buddy. :)

Rear DEFROSTER

[MIDNITEMARAUDER]

Proud owner of a 2004 300A!

[Larry Staunton]

Is the wiring there to install a under hood light on the 2004 Marauders?

[Drock96Marquis]

Are you sure that 03 300Bs have the higher stall torque convertor? I thought that was 04 only that had that.

All 99+ CVPI and 00+ HPP use a higher stall (than base) 11.25" torque convertor, Marauder included.

For the 2004 Model Year, the Marauder's t/c was revised, now (well, then) featuring teflon seals and needle bearings. It is arguably the best t/c the AODE-derived family recieved (stock).
It is still 11.25", though.

All Ford 4r70w/4r75w/4r75e/AODE/etc. family torque convertors share similar stall speeds for their size. Ie, all 12" convertors have a similar stall speed, and all 11.25" t/cs have a similar stall speed.

Because of which, don't be suprised when you order a super-nifty 2004 Marauder torque convertor from a dealer, and recieve a 'remanufactured' Mustang GT t/c instead.

[cyclopsram]

Check your order guides for 2004 and you will find 300A is the code to order.. and there were no 300Bs.. or Job 2... in factory lingo for 2004

[SergntMac]

My 300A had heated mirrors, came on with the rear defogger.

Traction control and heated seats were promised as stock Marauder features in '03, but did not appear until the 300B production. They are stock features in '04.

Ummm...My HVBoM reports for both my '03 300A and '03 300B say...

All '03 Marauders have the 4R70W tranny, P/N 2W3P-7000-AA.
All '03 Marauders have a 2800 stall 11.25" TC, tranny part number
PKECF.
All '04 Marauders have a 2800 stall 11.25" TC, tranny part number
PKE3H.

Both versions of this tranny for the Marauder features a brazed turbine/impeller, 1" one-way clutch and gear set from the 5.4L 2V F-150. The '04 4RW75 version added the improvements listed about by Drock, i.e. teflon seals, needle bearings ect. No change in Torque convertor performance reported.

Ford reports stall speeds as engine/model specific, and written as a range, from light throttle/coasting to WOT total maximum efficiency.

Pre-'03 CV 4.6L 2V engine...2094 to 2440 RPM
Pre '03 CV/PI 4.6L 2V engine...2319-2750 RPM
'03-'04 Marauder/Mach I 4.6L 4V...2555-3011 RPM
'03-'04 CV-GM 4.6L 2V...2031-2374 RPM
All '03 and up CV/PI 4.6L 2V...2372-2808 RPM

That's what my book says. Now a note on what my Dealership parts guy says. He says that I cannot order a factory torque convertor brand new. That piece comes new only with a complete and brand new tranny assembly. You can buy a reman, and they sometimes buy Ford, and sometimes buy locally, depending on who's paying the bill. Local is a lot cheaper.

Engine code for the '03 300A is 3G-120-AA, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, black valve covers, single knock sensor.
Engine code for the '03 300B is 3G-120-AB, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, black valve covers, single knock sensor. Four catch codes, I don't remember the first. It was short lived, but followed by BMDO, CRD0 and CRD1.
Engine code for the '04 300A is 4G-120-AA, P/N unknown, unpainted valve covers and dual knock sensors. Catch code for all is MAV2

I now drive a 300B, it has an underhood light, and I have map pockets.*

Hope this helps, carry on gents.





*I installed the map pockets myself, can't live without them.

[Bluerauder]

My 300A had heated mirrors, came on with the rear defogger.

Yep, that's what it says in my manual too !! Rear Window Defrost button also controls the heated mirrors. Man am I embarrassed. :o For three years I have been trying to turn 'em on with the heated seat button. :o Looks like I am still learnin' stuff from this site. :up:

:laugh: :laugh:

Even the wife says she knew that and she drives the MM like ..... maybe ..... twice a year. :rofl:

[marauderpunk24]

How does the auto release Parking Brake work?

[BruteForce]

How does the auto release Parking Brake work?

It just does... that's why they call it automatic. Okay okay... when you put it in Drive, it automatically releases the parking brake.

[GreekGod]

I always have removed the underhood lightbulb on my vehicles since I had a battery go dead on my '79 F150. I had parked on a hill and the mercury switch for the underhood light was left "on".

Lo and behold, I discovered it was no longer necessary on our MM's. It seems we can leave a door, trunk, or hood open, and the light circuit turns "off" (after a while) to save the battery.

I'm sure there are other owners that didn't know this, as I believe our owners manuals don't really mention it.

[CRUZTAKER]

Moving along nicely....almost ready for a final document.

You guys are still missing some things though.....:P

[Merc-O-matic]

Lets not forget the over-head console in 2003 A&B is longer and
contains a small bin. 2004 model the console is alot shorter to
make room for the Moon Roof option.

Gotta Love It!:baaa:

[Drock96Marquis]

I always have removed the underhood lightbulb on my vehicles since I had a battery go dead on my '79 F150. I had parked on a hill and the mercury switch for the underhood light was left "on".

Lo and behold, I discovered it was no longer necessary on our MM's. It seems we can leave a door, trunk, or hood open, and the light circuit turns "off" (after a while) to save the battery.

I'm sure there are other owners that didn't know this, as I believe our owners manuals don't really mention it.

Yep, every single 1995+ panther features 'battery saver', integral to the LCM.

It will turn off a lighting circuit after a pre-set amount of time elapses.
It will also diasble a circuit if it is determined to be erratic (ie a bad switch)


The head and courtesy lamps will automatically shut off after 10 mins.
The demand lighting (ie reading/map lights/under-hood lamp) is shut off after 30mins.

These times are after the last time power was activated or interrupted to any of the LCM demand, courtesy, or headlamp outputs.



These days cars use a small ball bearing tilt switch in place of the very hazardous mercury.



BTW, I saw a few ask in here. For those looking to add an underhood lamp, don't be discouraged if the wiring is not present. I added an under hood lamp to my car and it was extremely easy;
Grab yourself an underhood lamp (typically includes bulb, otherwise grab a wedge base clear bulb) and the Motorcraft pigtail ( E8EZ14489-DA for most Ford underhood lamps). Solder/heatshrink/wrap (or crimp connector if you can't solder) the new pigtail to a ~5ft length of ground wire, and ~ 10ft of positive lead wire. Run the wiring, in nice neat wire loom (make it look factory, spend the time to wrap the loom with electrical tape for OEM appearence) down the hood, and use one of those plastic push pins to secure the end of the loom in one of the holes in the hood. Then route it down towards the PCM harness area, make sure to provide harness slackl for hood opening/close. There is a ground nearby on the fender, so just run the ground lead to there. Then route your positive wire lead through one of the fire wall grommets and into the dash. From there, the easest place I found to wire it to and have access for the splice is to the glovebox door switch and lamp.
This switch/lamp is part of the LCM's demand lighting output feed, and thus is protected by the battery saver. Tap the positive lead (it is LG/OG on MMs) I prefer to cut, solder, heatshrink then wrap. A 't-tap' connector will work if you're lazy. :P

The process is the same for you cars as it was mine, You will now have a fully functional, fused, and battery saver covered under hood lamp :)

It would be a good idea to put a little di-electirc grease on the bulb's wedge abse and the lamp's connector to prevent moisture intrusion and corrosion.

Also, FYI, if the underhood lamp wiring is indeed present, it wil be around the brake booster area. A two pin connector, one LG/OG wire, one BK. Otherwise you need to tap the large c268 underhood harness connector (pita) if you don't want to run the wiring inside

[94_302]

In the sticky and in this thread, the valve covers are not listed correctly. 2003 B valve covers are the same as A. 2004 is when they were no longer painted.

[RF Overlord]

Thanks, 94 302...the correction has been made. :up:

[94_302]

Thanks, 94 302...the correction has been made. :up:
NP
Also I am not sure on this, but I thought the Sunroof option was only for 04. I have seen 03's with sunroofs but I thought 03's with a sunroof meant either aftermarket or dealer installed, not factory.

[merc6]

When was sunroof in play. I also have another question that might not get ansered right away. The factory radio rds feature. is there a seating option for 03 300B or 04 300A? manual and Quick refrence guide mentins it but I didn't have it in either factory radio (one in car was on last leg on test drive)

[Bluerauder]

Moving along nicely....almost ready for a final document.

You guys are still missing some things though.....:P
How about the Flat Style Windshield wipers?? Wasn't the change to the more traditional bow style wipers part of the 300A to 300B change? I have only seen those flat wipers on some of the older '03 MMs. :D

[HwyCruiser]

Engine code for the '03 300A is 3G-120-AA, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, black valve covers, single knock sensor.
Engine code for the '03 300B is 3G-120-AB, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, black valve covers, single knock sensor. Four catch codes, I don't remember the first. It was short lived, but followed by BMDO, CRD0 and CRD1.
Engine code for the '04 300A is 4G-120-AA, P/N unknown, unpainted valve covers and dual knock sensors. Catch code for all is MAV2


I've got an FDH2 sticker, was that the first "catch code"? I'm acutally running a BMD0 tune, which supposedly an upgraded flash for FDH2.

Next distinction between 03 and 04: green vs. yellow factory antifreeze.

[Blackened300a]

Oh well, I tried to get all the input together for the sticky and then do a final edit and put it in a seperate thread.
Explain the windshield dot matrix and the tint? I have dot matrix over my rear view mirror.
I also have green antifreeze

[SergntMac]

I thought 03's with a sunroof meant either aftermarket or dealer installed, not factory.None of them are "factory" installed in the sense you mean. A sunroof changes a digit in the VIN, and the build is pulled off line and sent out to a local installer, then returned to the line for completion.

is there a seating option for 03 300B or 04 300A? manual and Quick refrence guide mentins it but I didn't have it in eitherOnly option was addition of heated seats.

My 300B came with a 300A manual, which has large stick decals over some topics, and used to change some language and add pages.

I've got an FDH2 sticker, was that the first "catch code"? Next distinction between 03 and 04: green vs. yellow factory antifreeze.You are indeed correct on the catch code, FDH2 is the first, I'll remember it now, thanks.

My 300B came with green and I've updated that to gold, so, it may be an '03-'04 change. BTW, anyone making this change, you need to do two complete drain and flushes, all the green need to be flushed out, don't mix them.

[Merc-O-matic]

Oh well, I tried to get all the input together for the sticky and then do a final edit and put it in a seperate thread.
Explain the windshield dot matrix and the tint? I have dot matrix over my rear view mirror.
I also have green antifreeze

All early 2003 A's came with the traditional dark blue windshield tint
which runs accross the top of the windshield ( standard on most cars
for the past 30 years) as production on the 2003 B's started they
switched to a dot-matrix band accross the top of the windshield and
around the rear view mirror. IMHO (dot-matrix) is nothing more than another way to cheapen the car and save some money. The dot-matrix is worthless
as far as protecting you from sun or glare! So most 2003 B's and
all 2004's have the dot-matrix...as do the regular Mercury Grand Marquis':down:

Green anti-freeze was standard (stock) in the 2003 A's...they switched to
the Gold anti-freeze with the 2003 B's/2004's

Gotta Love It!

[GreekGod]

My #...602213 was the only MM built in April of '02 (4-9-02) and the (tune?) code is FDH2.

Wonder if it was (Providentially) some sort of a "transition" build for the GreekGod?

[SergntMac]

Green anti-freeze was standard (stock) in the 2003 A's...they switched to the Gold anti-freeze with the 2003 B's/2004's

Gotta Love It!My '03 300B had the green.

[Blackened300a]

All early 2003 A's came with the traditional dark blue windshield tint
which runs accross the top of the windshield ( standard on most cars
for the past 30 years) as production on the 2003 B's started they
switched to a dot-matrix band accross the top of the windshield and
around the rear view mirror. IMHO (dot-matrix) is nothing more than another way to cheapen the car and save some money. The dot-matrix is worthless
as far as protecting you from sun or glare! So most 2003 B's and
all 2004's have the dot-matrix...as do the regular Mercury Grand Marquis':down:

I have a early issue 300A with dot Matrix windshield. Was the windshield change the first thing to occur?

[RF Overlord]

Green anti-freeze was standard (stock) in the 2003 A's...they switched to the Gold anti-freeze with the 2003 B's/2004's
I have a 2003 300A (build date 8/29/2002) and it came with the gold antifreeze.

[Merc-O-matic]

I have a early issue 300A with dot Matrix windshield. Was the windshield change the first thing to occur?

If you have a 2003 300A with a dot-matrix windshield....that is
probably not the original stock windshield?.... it is probably a
replacement? I have never seen an early 2003 300A with anything
but the old style tint? Go figure.

Gotta Love It!

[Sully008]

So...what about us Canadian versions??

[Merc-O-matic]

My '03 300B had the green.

Mac...you got me on that one! I guess it was whatever
the truck brought in that day....who knows, maybe Elena Ford?

Gotta Love It!:eek:

[merc6]

My 300B came with a 300A manual, which has large stick decals over some topics, and used to change some language and add pages.
You are indeed correct on the catch code, FDH2 is the first, I'll remember it now, thanks.

I was refering to rds features. button between scan and < sel > on radio.

This is an example of some of rds options.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.indi vidual&videoid=793716087

[Peter]

So...what about us Canadian versions??
Mine also has the dots...

[94_302]

None of them are "factory" installed in the sense you mean. A sunroof changes a digit in the VIN, and the build is pulled off line and sent out to a local installer, then returned to the line for completion.


When I say factory I mean that by the time it left the plant and was being sent to the dealership, a sunroof had been installed. But thats interesting how they do the sunroofs.

[Lowell]

One more item. O3 300A has mesh rear speaker grills in the package tray. 03 300B and 04 have perfs in the rear for the sound to muffle through. Sound travles much better through the mesh grills. My 03 300A, built July 02 Has yellow antifreeze. Watch out where the huskies go.

[Krytin]

If you have a 2003 300A with a dot-matrix windshield....that is
probably not the original stock windshield?.... it is probably a
replacement? I have never seen an early 2003 300A with anything
but the old style tint? Go figure.

Gotta Love It!
Mine never left the showroom floor before I bought it - it had 7 miles on the clock! It had the blue tint across the top 3-4" of the windshield and the dot matrix around the rearview mirror.

[SergntMac]

Doesn't look like the color of the coolant means anything in this discussion, and that's good. Too much to juggle as it is...

[Blackened300a]

Mine never left the showroom floor before I bought it - it had 7 miles on the clock! It had the blue tint across the top 3-4" of the windshield and the dot matrix around the rearview mirror.

exactly like mine

[94_302]

Mine never left the showroom floor before I bought it - it had 7 miles on the clock! It had the blue tint across the top 3-4" of the windshield and the dot matrix around the rearview mirror.

That's fine, I believe the dotmatrix on the 04's is all the way across. Not just around the rear view mirror.

[Peter]

Don't forget Canadian Marauders
Metric gage
Long overhead console
Traction control
pockets on the front and back of the driver/passenger seats
six disc changer
small spare tire
clock in the dash
heated mirrors
metal grilles on the rear speakers
Inntech 32v V8" plaque, but not one on the passenger side.

[jimlam56]

The overhead console on my blue one is longer than the silver one.

[CRUZTAKER]

Blackened...

Keep accepting input and editing your original post.

When the information is complete, accurate, and agreed upon by the masses that really know, it will be a valuable tool to to direct newbies toward.

It would make a great sticky.;)


Oh well, I tried to get all the input together for the sticky and then do a final edit and put it in a seperate thread.antifreeze

I tried.

Someone walked on me.:depress:

[Merc-O-matic]

Mine never left the showroom floor before I bought it - it had 7 miles on the clock! It had the blue tint across the top 3-4" of the windshield and the dot matrix around the rearview mirror.

OK.....you have the old style because you have the blue tint!
When we say Dot-matrix, we mean there is NO blue tint...only dot-matrix
across the whole top and rear view mirror. So you have the old style
original windshield with the graduated blue tint 3-4" deep.
The dot-matrix windshield only has 1-2 inch border of dots.......(matrix dots)
going across the top with NO tint.

Gotta Love It!

[OneBADLsE]

Window stickers anybody???

[merc6]

I wish... owner #3 :(

[Mike Poore]

I have a early issue 300A with dot Matrix windshield. Was the windshield change the first thing to occur?

Get Royal to check your OASIS report.

It could be that your windshield has been replaced. My '04 (Dec '03 build) came into the dealership with a broken windshield, and was replaced with the dot matrix style. Then, when it was replaced the second time, this summer, I tried to get the blue tint, and was told they were not available, and had to accept the dot matrix.

[FormulaMarauder]

Man I learned a lot from this thread. So much in fact that I am going to be bringing it up from the dead. :)

[Hotrauder]

I bet that no one mentioned the extra 45 hp. :P Dennis

[Blackened300a]

I bet that no one mentioned the extra 45 hp. :P Dennis

Sorry, Ill have to update for the ultra rare Police Interceptor Marauder that blows the doors off of a civilian Marauder.:rolleyes:

[FormulaMarauder]

Sorry, Ill have to update for the ultra rare Police Interceptor Marauder that blows the doors off of a civilian Marauder.:rolleyes:

I just spit coffee all over my screen........ :rofl:

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Thats right, we have to change this whole topic to accomodate the rare police interceptor Marauder we've been hearing about lately.. OH whatabout the alleged 2008 MM?
:lol:

[chico4554]

are there any hp or tq changes amongst the 03-04s? What i got from this is besides body and interior changes, the 04 has a better tranny cause of the teflon band.

[MarauderSM]

And the convertor has a higher stall speed.

[jaywish]

A very good list indeed.

I believe that Heated Seats are an option on 300b, not standard.

Jay

[kode3]

I must have a real odd ball, I have a 2003 300A engine code(3G-120-AA) but I have traction control, the small dinky spare tire, and yellow coolant. Strange?

[MM03MOK]

I must have a real odd ball, I have a 2003 300A engine code(3G-120-AA) but I have traction control, the small dinky spare tire, and yellow coolant. Strange?
You have a 300B.

[Aren Jay]

Did you mention the 550 300A's which are 300B's but called 300A's?

[red]

I added this information to the MyMarauder.com Wiki. Feel free to peer review and modify as necessary. Thanks!

https://www.mymarauder.com/wiki/index.php?title=300A_300B_Comp arison

[Mongoose]

I've read this thread several times. Nobody has mentioned the third and final option of the '03 300A besides the 6CD changer and trunk organizer was the dealer installed rear spoiler.:rolleyes:

[J D]

I've read this thread several times. Nobody has mentioned the third and final option of the '03 300A besides the 6CD changer and trunk organizer was the dealer installed rear spoiler.:rolleyes:

Didn't think they actually made 300As with spoilers, in fact I have yet to seen a A with one on, perhaps on the muts?

BTW, Hurray! This was finally stickied! Credit to the original poster but congrats to all the complainers like myself who helped get it pinned!

[Krytin]

They were a dealer installed option right from the start - available on all years and versions. When I bought mine in july '02 I declined the spoiler and then picked one up a little over a year ago. It does tend to deposit a lot of sand/dirt on top of the rear bumper/trunk valance.

[Blackened300a]

Glad it finally got stuck! Now lets see if anyone uses it :D

[whd507]

my 300A has gold antifreeze, and both are mentioned as possibilities in the manual.

[J D]

my 300A has gold antifreeze, and both are mentioned as possibilities in the manual.

do you have all the other 300A traits?

and also are you the original owner? maybe someone brought the premium stuff and put it in despite the fact that it does more harm than good.

[JimmyXR7]

Mine never left the showroom floor before I bought it - it had 7 miles on the clock! It had the blue tint across the top 3-4" of the windshield and the dot matrix around the rearview mirror.

Mine is a A/B transition, Dec 2, 2002 build date, with the blue tint across the top with the dot matrix, map pocket and all the the A stuff except the full size spare but with a full size spare cover. My MM's sequence number is 6151 of 7839
Jim

[RF Overlord]

maybe someone brought the premium stuff and put it in despite the fact that it does more harm than good.Why do you say that?

[J D]

Why do you say that?

While I'm not sure of the specifics, switching the fluids without a complete flush to remove all the old fluid causes corrosion due to the different alkalies in both.

[BSinCO]

WOW, awesome thread for someone new like me and especially new and still looking to purchase. Thanks to everyone (even the whiners) for putting all this information together. ;)

Quick question, does the 300A have the wiring to put the heated seats in or would that have to be a totally "custom" addition?

Thanks
Blake

:stupid:

[SC Cheesehead]

WOW, awesome thread for someone new like me and especially new and still looking to purchase. Thanks to everyone (even the whiners) for putting all this information together. ;)

Quick question, does the 300A have the wiring to put the heated seats in or would that have to be a totally "custom" addition?

Thanks
Blake

:stupid:

If I recall correctly, the heated seats require a different wiring harness.

[Bulten Rauder]

This thread has given me some "blurred vision". I have build #5736 and I'm told it's a 300B since it has traction control. Perhaps because this car shipped within Canada it has map pockets, adjustable pedals, heated mirrors, black valve covers with the drivers side saying Intech32V BUT no heated seats (where I really could use them of course!).

My questions are:

Is there any ENGINE PERFORMANCE difference?

Really dumb question: was there not any MM's built with 3 Valves per cylinder? :stupid:

Sorry, I'm just learning...ROOKIE

[Blackened300a]

My questions are:

Is there any ENGINE PERFORMANCE difference?

Really dumb question: was there not any MM's built with 3 Valves per cylinder? :stupid:

Sorry, I'm just learning...ROOKIE

Same engine performance, 32V DOHC was the only engine available in the Marauder for 03-04.

The only way to learn is to ask questions, Welcome to the site. :beer:

[GreekGod]

This thread has given me some "blurred vision". I have build #5736 and I'm told it's a 300B since it has traction control. Perhaps because this car shipped within Canada it has map pockets, adjustable pedals, heated mirrors, black valve covers with the drivers side saying Intech32V BUT no heated seats (where I really could use them of course!).

My questions are:

Is there any ENGINE PERFORMANCE difference?

Really dumb question: was there not any MM's built with 3 Valves per cylinder? :stupid:

Sorry, I'm just learning...ROOKIE

No real engine performance diff's between '03 & '04, and all were 4 valves/chamber (DOHC 4V).

[whd507]

my 300a was built on july 15 2002 the first day back from summer break, and the first day of gold coolant., yes it has all typical 300a options, I recently added trunk organizer on my own, debating the spoiler.
RDS does work on mine, but few local stations broadcast anything useful or interesting.

[Bulten Rauder]

Same engine performance, 32V DOHC was the only engine available in the Marauder for 03-04.

The only way to learn is to ask questions, Welcome to the site. :beer:

Right on. Appreciate the welcome and the info.

Excellent choice of tunes! My MM's theme song is JP's VICTOM OF CHANGES!

Daver

[GreekGod]

my 300a was built on july 15 2002 the first day back from summer break, and the first day of gold coolant., yes it has all typical 300a options...

Very interesting, as my #602213 was built 4-9-2002, and is the only Marauder built in April (about the 51st, or so?).

[whd507]

having such an early build, and a unique build date (month) must be sweet.

[GreekGod]

having such an early build, and a unique build date (month) must be sweet.

It is an enigma wrapped in a mystery...

[Black_Noise]

It is an enigma wrapped in a mystery...

does it have confusion sauce in it?

[GreekGod]

does it have confusion sauce in it?

Oh, yes...Confusion will be my epitaph... :confused:... :alone: ...

[CWright]

Was the in dash clock an option on the 04'?

[red]

Was the in dash clock an option on the 04'?
No, it was not an option.

[CWright]

Thanks, I was wondering due to seeing a Florida Highway Patrol MM with an in dash clock and all theirs are suppose to be 04's. Must have had an 03 mixed in the bunch. Appreciate the info.

[Vortech347]

I'll also note on my 04' you can see the VIN number on all the side window glass. My 03' did not have this.

[Blackened300a]

I'll also note on my 04' you can see the VIN number on all the side window glass. My 03' did not have this.

Thats Vin etching it can be done by the dealer or your local police department.

[Peter]

I have a real oddball:
Auto release fuel door
In-dash Clock
Map pockets in the front seats
Auto Release Parking brake
Windshield tint
Hood light
Single engine knock sensor
Black Valve covers
2400 Stall convertor
6 CD changer
Trunk orgainzer
Traction control
Mini Spare
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield

[red]

2400 Stall convertor
Blackened300a, can you remove the information about the stall from your list of differences as Darrin, Zack, and Steve B. have all said they're the same regardless of year. Also, Steve B. recalled the stall speed being higher and since we do not know the actual stall speed, it's probably best not to speculate. See here (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42816) and here (http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5881). Thanks!

[GreekGod]

Blackened300a, can you remove the information about the stall from your list of differences as Darrin, Zack, and Steve B. have all said they're the same regardless of year. Also, Steve B. recalled the stall speed being higher and since we do not know the actual stall speed, it's probably best not to speculate. See here (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42816) and here (http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5881). Thanks!

Stall speed should be spec'd in the shop manual. I will dig mine out and see.

[GreekGod]

The 2003 shop manual, page 307-01-77 Stall Speed Chart specs the Marauder stall speed range from 2555 to 3011 rpm, in R (D) 2, & 1.

For comparison, the 4.6 2V is 2094-2440, and the 4.6 Police Special is 2319-2750.

Take your pick, or try out your car to see what you get.

[HotRodMercury]

Would the owner of a 2004 300A please come forward.

The full size spare was replaced for a mini spare when Traction control was offered. Thats covered in my original post
I have a 04, but how would I know if its a 300A, god knows what that
means?...

[red]

The 2003 shop manual, page 307-01-77 Stall Speed Chart specs the Marauder stall speed range from 2555 to 3011 rpm, in R (D) 2, & 1.

For comparison, the 4.6 2V is 2094-2440, and the 4.6 Police Special is 2319-2750.

Thanks, GreekGod!

[SC Cheesehead]

I have a 04, but how would I know if its a 300A, god knows what that
means?...

Search the earlier posts in this thread to get the answer to what's different between 300a's and b's; applies to '03 models only.

All '04s are 300a designation.

[Black_Noise]

here is the window tint on a 300a with the small patch of dot matrix above the R/V mirror

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/2/8/camerapic001.jpg

and the long console, Im assuming this is 300 A and B without sunroof

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/2/8/camerapic002.jpg

[whd507]

I noticed at MV6 that 300As have dark defroster grids on the back windows, and 300Bs and 04s have red or orange grids.

[HotRodMercury]

I Have no console just the info thingy?.

[bigmerc2003]

I have the '03 300A (have a dealer invoice from mercury) with the map pockets, fuel door realease inside the car, heated mirrors, full size spare, 6 disc changer, clock in the dash, black valve covers, tinted upper windshield and dot matrix area around the mirror, full overhad counsel and the cargo net organizer for the trunk

[Bulten Rauder]

I have a real oddball:
Auto release fuel door
In-dash Clock
Map pockets in the front seats
Auto Release Parking brake
Windshield tint
Hood light
Single engine knock sensor
Black Valve covers
2400 Stall convertor
6 CD changer
Trunk orgainzer
Traction control
Mini Spare
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield

There were only 470 MM's built in 2003 for Canada (KPH Speedo). Mine is as yours but with manual parking break. What's your build number/date?

Bulten Rauder

[jvillerauder]

4s 120 aa was my engine code i guesss that means its a 300b?

[SC Cheesehead]

4s 120 aa was my engine code i guesss that means its a 300b?

Does it have T/C?

What's the build date?

[jvillerauder]

with heated seats,traction control ,non locking fuel door,i believe a oil cooler?,and when i bought it there was noremote for the keyless entry ,a strange wire coming from interior fuse box connected at the end to a push button that i have no idea what it does?

[jvillerauder]

build date 11/03

[Bluerauder]

build date 11/03
With a date that late, I suspect that you have an '04 Marauder. They are all 300a models and are equipped the same as '03 300b models with T/C, donut spare, no remote fuel door release, no separate map in the dash trim, and no map pockets in the front of the front seats.

[jvillerauder]

thanks for the info that remote fuel release door wouldve nice thanks alot mercury bean counters

[SC Cheesehead]

With a date that late, I suspect that you have an '04 Marauder. They are all 300a models and are equipped the same as '03 300b models with T/C, donut spare, no remote fuel door release, no separate map in the dash trim, and no map pockets in the front of the front seats.

Yup, last of the '03's rolled off the line mid-June 2003.

[Officer733]

Is there any noticable performance differences between the two? which is better? sorry I am a newbie here and am in the market for a marauder and plan to make my purchase when I get my taxes back. There is not really any for sale close to me so I know I will have to travel some distance and I just want to make sure I get the best for my money. Thanks

[FordNut]

Is there any noticable performance differences between the two? which is better? sorry I am a newbie here and am in the market for a marauder and plan to make my purchase when I get my taxes back. There is not really any for sale close to me so I know I will have to travel some distance and I just want to make sure I get the best for my money. Thanks

No noticeable performance difference, but the '04 has a stronger transmission.

[Officer733]

No noticeable performance difference, but the '04 has a stronger transmission.



I will be looking for an 04 then thanks

[WPG_Merc]

What Would My Canadian MM Be A 300A Or 300B
Built In 06/03

It Has :
- Clock In Radio
- Air Lumbar Support/ No Heated Seats
- Manual Fuel Door
- Auto Release Parking Brake
- 6 Disc CD Changer
- Dot Matrix Window
- Under Hood Light
- Black Valve Covers
- Daytime Running Light's Which Is Law Here
- Tail Fin Or "Whale Tail " As Some Call It
- No Trunk Organizer & Cargo Net :(
- Two Knock Sensors.

& Not A Stock Runner :D

[Bluerauder]

What Would My Canadian MM Be A 300A Or 300B
Built In 06/03

It Has :
- Clock In Radio
- Air Lumbar Support/ No Heated Seats
- Manual Fuel Door
- Auto Release Parking Brake
- 6 Disc CD Changer
- Dot Matrix Window
- Under Hood Light
- Black Valve Covers
- Daytime Running Light's Which Is Law Here
- Tail Fin Or "Whale Tail " As Some Call It
- No Trunk Organizer & Cargo Net :(
- Two Knock Sensors.

& Not A Stock Runner :D
All signs point to an '03 300B MM built late in the 2003 run. But could be a very early '04 300A (dual knock sensors).

In Canada, they are known as 300 EH. :rofl:

[Peter]

What Would My Canadian MM Be A 300A Or 300B
Built In 06/03

It Has :
- Clock In Radio
- Air Lumbar Support/ No Heated Seats
- Manual Fuel Door
- Auto Release Parking Brake
- 6 Disc CD Changer
- Dot Matrix Window
- Under Hood Light
- Black Valve Covers
- Daytime Running Light's Which Is Law Here
- Tail Fin Or "Whale Tail " As Some Call It
- No Trunk Organizer & Cargo Net :(
- Two Knock Sensors.

& Not A Stock Runner :D
Don't forget the engine block heater!

[SC Cheesehead]

All signs point to an '03 300B MM built late in the 2003 run. But could be a very early '04 300A (dual knock sensors).

In Canada, they are known as 300 EH. :rofl:

Take off! Wadda Hoser! :D

[GreekGod]

No noticeable performance difference, but the '04 has a stronger transmission.

The transmission difference is minor...a nice '03 could be a better deal than an '04.

[WPG_Merc]

Thank's for the Info guy's.

Still 5 month's a way till spring to go cruising. :bigcry:

:santa:



:wreath:

[STAPrap]

Hi guys just to verify,my car I am "potentialy buying" has the following:

No Heated Seats but heated mirrors
No CD in reat but has amp or something,what is that again?
Front seat pockets
Traction Control
Blue Tint front windshield with dotted around rear view mirror
Gold Rad fluid
Dash mounted clock
Trunk Organizer
Engine Hood Lamp
Perforated Rear Speaker Covers
Donut Spare Tire

Build date 10/02


Thanks guys,


DD

[Bluerauder]

Hi guys just to verify,my car I am "potentialy buying" has the following:

No Heated Seats but heated mirrors
No CD in reat but has amp or something,what is that again?
Front seat pockets
Traction Control
Blue Tint front windshield with dotted around rear view mirror
Gold Rad fluid
Dash mounted clock
Trunk Organizer
Engine Hood Lamp
Perforated Rear Speaker Covers
Donut Spare Tire

Build date 10/02


Thanks guys,


DD
STAPrap,

Good to hear from you again. You of all people should know this stuff by heart since you put 'em together for us. Sounds like you have a mix of 300A (map pockets and dash clock) and 300B (Traction Control and Donut Spare). Could be typical of the Canadian MMs or one of the Transition MM that we used to call "Pre-Decontented" versions. Do you have the remote fuel door release or the one with the thumb indent? Black valve covers? FYI -- My 300B was built 3 months later and I have the engine hood light as well. Don't know exactly when those lights disappeared.

[MM03MOK]

IIRC, the Canadian cars for 2003 were not made until the production line transitioned from 300A to 300B. All Canadian cars are called 300As (same as the US 300B for 2003.)

[STAPrap]

Yah I remember the CDN models coming out later.

The reason I asked is because yes,I was pretty sure I've got a pre-decontented version.

I have black valve covers and remote fuel door release yes.

Car is $14,900 Canadian before tax and has 24,500 miles or 40,471kms to be exact.1 owner,plastic still on floor under mats from factory and checks out clean,no history of accidents etc. maitanence is all good.

Is the above a good price guys?


thank you

[Bluerauder]

Car is $14,900 Canadian before tax and has 24,500 miles or 40,471kms to be exact.1 owner,plastic still on floor under mats from factory and checks out clean,no history of accidents etc. maitanence is all good.

Is the above a good price guys?

1 CAD = 0.822 USD

$14,900 CAD = $12,247.80 USD :up:

I would say that $12.5K USD is a very good price for an MM with < 25K miles, clean history and excellent condition. Just Do It !!! .........

[jvillerauder]

i have a 2004 300a model built nov2003 and has 4r75w transmission no hood light ,heated seats,light flint interior w light flint colored leather seats,i believe it has a oil cooler im almost certain,aluminum coil covers,windshied upper tint,cig lighter w no ashtray?extra wiring that leads to something i havent figured out yet

[jvillerauder]

i almost forgot it has traction control

[GreekGod]

All Marauders have oil coolers.

[FordNut]

All Marauders have oil coolers.
Really????

[jvillerauder]

hell yea thats cool

[Brian H]

Mine is # 575 and it has heated seats, not working at this time,. 300A

[Canadasvt]

What about the battery? My '04 Canadian came with a 750. I've heard some MM came with a 650

[Bulten Rauder]

$14,900.00CAN for a used MM with 46,000KM's is so sweet I'd be suspicious! I've seem many for over $24K up here. Hope it has decent rubber and brakes cause that will set you back some bucks...

Dave

[InglewoodAwk]

My 04 has black valve covers

[SC Cheesehead]

My 04 has black valve covers

Hmmmm, wonder if somebody swapped them out, or if the motor's been replaced.

'04s had unpainted valve covers. You may want to PM RoyLPita with your VIN to get service history on the car.

[Jolly Roger]

I see that you all seem to have forgotten the ultra rare Super White Marauder with the Dupercharged H.O. engine combo.
I understand that there were only a handfull produced.:lol:

[bigmerc2003]

I see that you all seem to have forgotten the ultra rare Super White Marauder with the Dupercharged H.O. engine combo.
I understand that there were only a handfull produced.:lol:

And that was a good thing! But that picture of the white with the red stripes reminds me of the mid 80's mustang GT-350 reproduction

[CodeMan]

Great information!
I cant saythis enough...MM.net...ROCKS!!!!
:rock:

:uzi: :rofl:

[Bulten Rauder]

My 04 has black valve covers

Very interesting...if the motor is original, I'd say you were shortchanged some nice fancy aluminum valve covers! :eek:

[rauder775]

I can confirm '03 300B, that heated seats were not a given. I'm the original owner and no heated seats. My build date is 3/31/03 in case we're able to narrow into a "change over" at some point.

[GreekGod]

Very interesting...if the motor is original, I'd say you were shortchanged some nice fancy aluminum valve covers! :eek:

My 2003 MM has the original black cam covers...it was the 54th MM made.

[PurdueRifleman]

This guide has been very helpful to a me in identifying my car. I had always assumed (for the two weeks that I've owned at least) that with a manufacture date in June 2003, my car was a 300B. However, it looks like it is unequivocally a 300A.

[MM03MOK]

This guide has been very helpful to a me in identifying my car. I had always assumed (for the two weeks that I've owned at least) that with a manufacture date in June 2003, my car was a 300B. However, it looks like it is unequivocally a 300A.
Actually, if your car is a 2003, you have a 300B. Early November 2002 was the change in the production line, with some items deleted, such as remote gas door opener, etc., which was signified by the change from 300A to 300B.

[Glenn]

My 04 has black valve covers

I would bet you got a replacement '03 engine in your '04 by the PO.

Glenn

[Kennyrauder]

I guess my 03 is a mongrel of sorts too it has all the 300A features plus the dot Matrix windshield, traction control with the mini spare.

[YOCKIT]

03 has traction contral and power gas door
what am i?

[SC Cheesehead]

03 has traction contral and power gas door
what am i?

Dang! One of one, I don't think anybody else has those.

[Bulten Rauder]

My '03 built 10/25/02 has traction control and power fuel door release.

It's a 300A

[Bluerauder]

My '03 built 10/25/02 has traction control and power fuel door release.

It's a 300A
You seem to be in the transition period of "Pre-Decontented MMs" that have a mix of both 300a and 300b features. Think that this happened between 7 Oct 2002 and 28 Oct 2002. As I recall, Martyo's MM was built in that timeframe.

[Rocknee]

Breaks down the 2003 and 2004 Marauders:

http://www.fordperformancegroup.com/vehicles/?var2=4,0,1).

[JBeezy]

300A's were the first issue of Marauders they were all black and had the following equipment...

Auto release fuel door YES
In-dash Clock NO
Map pockets in the front seats UNSURE
Full size spare YES
Auto Release Parking brake YES
Windshield tint NO
Hood light NO
4R70W Transmission YES
Single engine knock sensor UNSURE
Black Valve covers YES
2400 Stall convertor UNSURE


Only options for the early 300A's were a trunk organizer, rear spoiler, and a 6 Disc CD changer.

300B's came out mid year and were offered in black, silver and dark blue pearl. They had less features then the 300A so they are considered "Decontented"

Differences on the 300B are...

Heated seats NO
Traction control YES
Manual fuel door NO
Mini Spare NO
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield UNSURE
No map pockets
Clock in radio YES
No Hood Light

I must have one that was in the middle of the transition as well.

[GreekGod]

300A's were the first issue of Marauders they were all black and had the following equipment...

Auto release fuel door YES
In-dash Clock NO
Map pockets in the front seats UNSURE
Full size spare YES
Auto Release Parking brake YES
Windshield tint NO
Hood light NO
4R70W Transmission YES
Single engine knock sensor YES
Black Valve covers YES
2400 Stall convertor UNSURE


Only options for the early 300A's were a trunk organizer, rear spoiler, and a 6 Disc CD changer.

300B's came out mid year and were offered in black, silver and dark blue pearl. They had less features then the 300A so they are considered "Decontented"

Differences on the 300B are...

Heated seats NO
Traction control YES
Manual fuel door NO
Mini Spare NO
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield UNSURE
No map pockets
Clock in radio YES
No Hood Light

I must have one that was in the middle of the transition as well.

My '03, sequence #602213 (probably 54th built) has an auto fuel door, in dash clock, frt seats map pockets, full size spare, auto pb release, tinted, shaded, dot matrix windshield, hood light.

============

[Blackened300a]

I must have one that was in the middle of the transition as well.

There is a 03 on EBAY that has some of the different options. No clock in the center, but black cam covers.

[CBT]

Breaks down the 2003 and 2004 Marauders:

http://www.fordperformancegroup.com/vehicles/?var2=4,0,1).

Cool site! :beer:

[SC Cheesehead]

There is a 03 on EBAY that has some of the different options. No clock in the center, but black cam covers.

Did it have T/C?

[Blackened300a]

Did it have T/C?


Yep. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercury-WE-FINANCE-2003-Mercury-Marauder-Black-Black-only-62k-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4a a6fafda7QQitemZ320629046695QQp tZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

[SC Cheesehead]

Yep. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercury-WE-FINANCE-2003-Mercury-Marauder-Black-Black-only-62k-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4a a6fafda7QQitemZ320629046695QQp tZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks


Map pockets in the seat?

Full size spare?

Remote fuel door release?

[TFB]

Yep. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercury-WE-FINANCE-2003-Mercury-Marauder-Black-Black-only-62k-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4a a6fafda7QQitemZ320629046695QQp tZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

That car(668200) was on a lot in Fairfax VA back in the summer... I'd thought about looking at it, but won't consider any car from the north that's been winter driven...

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65197&highlight=668200

[Bulten Rauder]

You seem to be in the transition period of "Pre-Decontented MMs" that have a mix of both 300a and 300b features. Think that this happened between 7 Oct 2002 and 28 Oct 2002. As I recall, Martyo's MM was built in that timeframe.

No heated seats though...redundant as she's never seen cold, or even a cloudy day! :grad:

[MrHall1]

Thanks so much for this info. Im still new to this forum and im finding out so much about my MM. but the one thing I didn't know is what was the differents in them all and what there different names were. I have such a better understanding of them now and I guess I have a MM 300B. Thanks again

[airjordan2k8]

im guessing mines a 300a cause i got the full sz spare but i got the sunroof would this be the 300a????

[SC Cheesehead]

im guessing mines a 300a cause i got the full sz spare but i got the sunroof would this be the 300a????

Full size spare isn't the only criteria, the key items are map pockets in the front seats, remote fuel door release, no TC, clock in the dash trim panel etc.

If your car is an '03, the moonroof was an aftermarket installation. Moonroofs weren't offered as an option on the car until '04.

[airjordan2k8]

Full size spare isn't the only criteria, the key items are map pockets in the front seats, remote fuel door release, no TC, clock in the dash trim panel etc.

If your car is an '03, the moonroof was an aftermarket installation. Moonroofs weren't offered as an option on the car until '04.
well then yess the sunroof has to be aftermarket then cause everything you named mine has.... so it is a 300A then???

[jstevens]

airjordan,

Be sure to search about the certificates you can get direct from Ford.

Makes a nice addition to your car.

[javiloh]

I have a 2003 and a 2004 Marauder. The 2004 DTR I ordered new in late 2003 (build date 10/03 ) and the 2003 BLK ( build date 8/02 ) I purchased last year with 44,000 miles because I liked to drive the 2004 Marauder ,but I do not like to get it dirty, so it stays in the garage most of the time. Just by the seat of my pants it seems that my 2004 is quicker than the 2003. Why do you state that the 2003's are faster?

[fastblackmerc]

I have a 2003 and a 2004 Marauder. The 2004 DTR I ordered new in late 2003 (build date 10/03 ) and the 2003 BLK ( build date 8/02 ) I purchased last year with 44,000 miles because I liked to drive the 2004 Marauder ,but I do not like to get it dirty, so it stays in the garage most of the time. Just by the seat of my pants it seems that my 2004 is quicker than the 2003. Why do you state that the 2003's are faster?

Each car is different as they came off the assembly line.

[bocat187]

Some of the 300b's does have the same feature as the 300a's cause my car is a 300b with some of the same features

[cruzer]

If it is in Oct, 2002, you have one of the pre-decontented change-over Marauders. They have all the 300A features plus Traction control and small spare----I have one, bought new. They may have different color shifters, black or chrome shifter shafts, chrome or matrix shifter surround. Marty-O has one also. Hope this helps, Maury

[mrjones]

My 03 has gears, JLT and tune and is definetely faster than my 04, but I'm pretty sure that stock to stock, the 04 would spank the 03. Don't know if they're all like that. 03 has 60K miles, 04 has 152K.

[Bluerauder]

My 03 has gears, JLT and tune and is definetely faster than my 04, but I'm pretty sure that stock to stock, the 04 would spank the 03. Don't know if they're all like that. 03 has 60K miles, 04 has 152K.

Not sure that the facts prove that ^^^^ out. In October 2004, I had the opportunity to run against Mike Poore at Mason-Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, MD. '03 Blue MM vs. '04 Silver Birch MM. No tunes, no mods. Both showroom stock. Pretty evenly matched.

I took a slight jump off the tree and Mike hung at my right rear door for the entire trip down the 1320. He may have made up 2 feet over the course of the run but not more than that. Certainly NOT a spanking.

[SC Cheesehead]

^^^^^^ What Charlie said. Minimal differences between the '03 and '04 models. Different trans, but performance characteristics should be the same.

Each car's little different, and some are definitely faster than others right out of the box, but that's prolly car-specific rather than by model year.

[johnnyrauder]

i have a 300a with dot matrix on the windshild. there are so many variations it's virtually impossable to have a "written in stone list" to distinguish an 03 a or b. imo

[Blackened300a]

Steve Babcock answered the question about what car is faster the 03 or the 04. He said the 04 has dual knock sensors so a little more timing was run in the stock tune. It's not really enough to make a world of difference between the 2 cars. I raced a 04, we both had PHP intakes only. I got the jump on him out the hole and we evened out with him on my rear quarter. Too hard to tell since stock 03-04 have 1/4 mile times all over the spectrum.

[fordfnatix]

my o3 has Auto release fuel door
In-dash Clock
Map pockets in the front seats
Full size spare
Windsheild tint
Hood light
4R70W Transmission
Single engine knock sensor
Black Valve covers
2400 Stall convertor
heated seats
6 pack cd player
and the overhead console w garage door opener
and traction control
and it is a canadian mm

[SC Cheesehead]

my o3 has Auto release fuel door
In-dash Clock
Map pockets in the front seats
Full size spare
Windsheild tint
Hood light
4R70W Transmission
Single engine knock sensor
Black Valve covers
2400 Stall convertor
heated seats
6 pack cd player
and the overhead console w garage door opener
and traction control
and it is a canadian mm

IIRC, all Canadian Marauders were fitted with T/C, by the looks of your content, it's a 300A. What's the build date?

[fordfnatix]

sorry couldn't find thread-
build date 10/02

[Bruce Wayne]

I have a Canadian MM with build date10/02 too!

[F2F]

Don't forget the park brake automatic release when drive is engaged... I believe that went away in the 2003 300A/B transition...along with the non polished wheel and full size spare tire,..... all Canadian Marauders had traction control... and were in 2003... all 300B RAM

I don't want to disagree here but the 300A I just picked up today was built in Canada and does not have TC unless I am too stupid to see it. I know its not engaged cause... oh yeah I have had it sideways all day :coolman:

[sd8683]

I don't want to disagree here but the 300A I just picked up today was built in Canada and does not have TC unless I am too stupid to see it. I know its not engaged cause... oh yeah I have had it sideways all day :coolman:

I believe ALL Marauders were built in canada, I think he's speaking of the ones that stayed there?

[F2F]

Well I almost did not post for fear it was something stupid like that. Well thanks for teaching me something. LMAO

[sd8683]

Well I almost did not post for fear it was something stupid like that. Well thanks for teaching me something. LMAO

Haha no worries bud! Welcome to the collective!

[MyBlackBeasts]

I don't want to disagree here but the 300A I just picked up today was built in Canada and does not have TC unless I am too stupid to see it. I know its not engaged cause... oh yeah I have had it sideways all day :coolman:

Not built in Canada, built FOR Canada. You know, dash is in metric with kph, etc...

[bdalton]

I must have a real odd ball, I have a 2003 300A engine code(3G-120-AA) but I have traction control, the small dinky spare tire, and yellow coolant. Strange?


I have exactly the same on my 03. Mine is a Canadian Marauder (has metric speedo; reads out in KPH). Dealer card in the manual has it sold out of Ontario.

[STOGIE BEAR]

Thank you for the difference between the A and B codes. richard crowson

[Nitrox]

Regarding the Canadian models that remained there...Is there any major differences between them aside from the Traction Control and of course the Speedo being in Kilometers as well as the ODO?

Also is it worth swapping the gauge cluster to the US version?

[SC Cheesehead]

Regarding the Canadian models that remained there...Is there any major differences between them aside from the Traction Control and of course the Speedo being in Kilometers as well as the ODO?

Also is it worth swapping the gauge cluster to the US version?

Yeah, all the Canuck models are 300 EHs....;)

[Curless]

At MV10 I believe I have found another difference in the 300A vs the 300B...While looking at my own 300A I noticed that I only have one belt diagram on my emissions label. Its part number is 3U5A-19A286-BB. It shows the Marauder diagram and that is it. Only two other cars at the show that I saw had this...any ideas????

[Coaltrain]

Hi Everyone, I'm delighted to announce That I have finally purchased a modern Marauder. Got it a couple weeks ago.It was originally sold out ofTheif River Falls Minnesota on january second 2003.I'm guessing the last 6 numbers of the vin tell the story...mine are632287. I have the full size spare ;the tint windsheild ;map pockets in doors and seatbacks;long ceiling console;inside fuel and trunk release;web/net at back of trunk;6disc cd changer in trunk;anti lockbrakes,but no mention of traction control
Final assembly was in Saint Thomas, and bottom right of window stickerhas this code:
2H141 N RC 2X 330 000814 08 14 02
If any of this info helps Great! if any of you can tell me what it means Super !! I hope to make this my first Supercharged car unless I get my 429 powered 55 F350 done first.
Sorry for my pathetic one finger typing . I finally own a Mercury after all these years of Fords Lincolns and orphan makes and I'm Gonna Cruio-o-oze up and down this road.
Iwanted to come to Marauderville 10 'but had to drive a truck for beet harvest so you all could put sugar in yer coffee!Happy Motoring...Coaltrain

[Coaltrain]

Thanks fer the underwhelming response

[Bluerauder]

Thanks fer the underwhelming response

Probably would have gotten more response in a thread of its own rather than 14 pages and 205 posts back in a Sticky thread on tech differences in models.

You've got a 2003 300A Marauder built 14 August 2002. Full VIN should be 2MEHM75V73X632287. The "7" is the check digit. Yours might differ. The last 6 digits only place you in the sequence. The rest of the VIN tells the story. Congrats !!! and Welcome :welcome1: to the MM.Net.

2ME = Ford Motor Company of Canada
H = Selts belts and air bags, curtains or canopies
M75 = Mercury Grand Marquis (changed to M79 in 2004 for its own "Marauder" model)
V = 4.6L 302 HP DOHC V8 (distinguishes it from other MGMs)
7 = Check digit (varies randomly)
3 = 2003 model year
X = St. Thomas Assembly Plant (STAP)
632287 = SEQUENCE CODE (not necessarily build sequence since they didn't come off the line in VIN order)

[Coaltrain]

Thanks fer the heads up and acknowledgement Blurauder! Yeah i thought i was expecting a little much after that last post .I am really enjoying my car and so are my deceased gearhead friend's two high school age boys.I've had fast cars and shiny cars but its been almost thirty years since i had both in the same car. I really enjoy your posts and your car is awesome! I woulda gone blue if one was available ,but I'm happy to have saved this one from mouldering in a quonset.Keep the shiny side up! Coaltrain

[DOOM]

So are there different stall torque convertors between the 03-04's?

If so what are the part numbers?

[DWSTANG67]

At MV10 I believe I have found another difference in the 300A vs the 300B...While looking at my own 300A I noticed that I only have one belt diagram on my emissions label. Its part number is 3U5A-19A286-BB. It shows the Marauder diagram and that is it. Only two other cars at the show that I saw had this...any ideas????



were the other 2 cars 300A or 300B ?

My 300A has both diagrams and i am #1844

[maineiac]

I have a late production 300b that came with a full size spare .

[SC Cheesehead]

I have a late production 300b that came with a full size spare .


Me too.

What's your production number?

[DOOM]

So are there different stall torque convertors between the 03-04's?

If so what are the part numbers?



Ok so I guess nobody knows.

[maineiac]

My production # 7649

[DWSTANG67]

Ok so I guess nobody knows.


Looking at post #33 from SergntMac has the info your looking for

here is a copy of it

My 300A had heated mirrors, came on with the rear defogger.

Traction control and heated seats were promised as stock Marauder features in '03, but did not appear until the 300B production. They are stock features in '04.

Ummm...My HVBoM reports for both my '03 300A and '03 300B say...

All '03 Marauders have the 4R70W tranny, P/N 2W3P-7000-AA.
All '03 Marauders have a 2800 stall 11.25" TC, tranny part number
PKECF.
All '04 Marauders have a 2800 stall 11.25" TC, tranny part number
PKE3H.

Both versions of this tranny for the Marauder features a brazed turbine/impeller, 1" one-way clutch and gear set from the 5.4L 2V F-150. The '04 4RW75 version added the improvements listed about by Drock, i.e. teflon seals, needle bearings ect. No change in Torque convertor performance reported.

Ford reports stall speeds as engine/model specific, and written as a range, from light throttle/coasting to WOT total maximum efficiency.

Pre-'03 CV 4.6L 2V engine...2094 to 2440 RPM
Pre '03 CV/PI 4.6L 2V engine...2319-2750 RPM
'03-'04 Marauder/Mach I 4.6L 4V...2555-3011 RPM
'03-'04 CV-GM 4.6L 2V...2031-2374 RPM
All '03 and up CV/PI 4.6L 2V...2372-2808 RPM

That's what my book says. Now a note on what my Dealership parts guy says. He says that I cannot order a factory torque convertor brand new. That piece comes new only with a complete and brand new tranny assembly. You can buy a reman, and they sometimes buy Ford, and sometimes buy locally, depending on who's paying the bill. Local is a lot cheaper.

Engine code for the '03 300A is 3G-120-AA, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, black valve covers, single knock sensor.
Engine code for the '03 300B is 3G-120-AB, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, black valve covers, single knock sensor. Four catch codes, I don't remember the first. It was short lived, but followed by BMDO, CRD0 and CRD1.
Engine code for the '04 300A is 4G-120-AA, P/N unknown, unpainted valve covers and dual knock sensors. Catch code for all is MAV2

I now drive a 300B, it has an underhood light, and I have map pockets.*

Hope this helps, carry on gents.





*I installed the map pockets myself, can't live without them.

[GreekGod]

... Engine code for the '03 300A is 3G-120-AA, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, black valve covers, single knock sensor.
Engine code for the '03 300B is 3G-120-AB, PN 3W1Z-8052-AA, ...

"-8000-" basic parts numbers would be radiator/cooling system numbers. engine numbers are in the 6000 series, so 3W1Z-6052-AA would probably be the engine assembly/long block part number.

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[SC Cheesehead]

My production # 7649

Mine's 7,792, so both of ours were very late 2003 builds.

The theory I've heard on the full sized spares is that there were some leftovers in inventory and they were used up late in the run to "clean house" prior to start up of the 2004 models.

[Logizyme]

All Marauders have oil coolers.

the HVBOM for the marauder I am looking at buying 698977 says
"LESS ENGINE OIL COOLER"

also has:
audiophile
cd changer
anti-spin tract brakes w/o IVD
manual parking brake release
cargo net
manual fuel release
engine compartment light
mini spare
heated seats
2003 job #2 program control

[GreekGod]

the HVBOM for the marauder I am looking at buying 698977 says
"LESS ENGINE OIL COOLER" ...

Reading through this link may explain:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67795&highlight=cooler

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[Logizyme]

^ i dont see what relevent info that has there.

all of the ford modular engines have the same oil filter adapter gasket, which serves as the gasket for the oil filter adapter which is also the coolant inlet, ford designed it this way so that they could use 1 block design and use a different oil filter angle/location and water inlet angle/location to fit a specific car, so an f-150, e-150, mustang and crown vic may all have the same block, but each have a specific oil filter adapter so that the filter and water inlet are fitted for the specific engine bay.

this adapter alone is not an oil cooler, while oil and coolant both go through it, they are not put close enough to each other for the coolant to effectively cool the oil.

this is why on many f/e-150's there are coolant lines going down to a oil cooler situated on/near the oil filter adapter gasket, or why on crown vic police models, there are 2 oil lines going from the oil filter adapter gasket to an oil cooler situated on the lower radiator hoses.

I believe the oil filter adapter and lower radiator hose is the same for all 03-04 panthers, so it should be easy for either the factory or an owner to install the adapter from a CVPI with oil cooler lines, and cut the lower rad hose and install the cooler, hook it up and have a working oil cooler. I've never looked for one on a marauder so I cant say if the've ever had them.

[GreekGod]

I was misinformed - '03-'04 Marauders did not come with engine oil coolers.

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[Motorhead350]

300A's have white plastic water guards in the doors, 300B's are clear.

[guagesluggish]

mine is 2003 km/h, so I'm all mixed up I seem to have a bit of everything, all I know is its black so its faster and I love it

[TP Derrick D]

Back in the game again!!!:coolman: After crashing and totaling "Blackular" my '03 300A,:bigcry: I found another Black 300A in Conroe,Texas at Gullo Ford via Cars.com. Called to see if internet was updated and was car still available? He said yes but someone suppose to come see it today. Me & my 19 y.o grandson take off to Conroe about 225 or so miles away from me. Good, now I don't have to go to Stafford, Va. to look at one. Now just got to transform it to make it mine. Its all stock 55,000+ miles.
So my tranny,4:10's & wing will be added form "Blackular" along with SS inserts & chin spoiler I've already ordered. But I got to have some paint work done first, low miles but paint not up to my standards but at least I'm off the sidelines & BACK IN THE GAME!!!:D

[sam]

300A's have white plastic water guards in the doors, 300B's are clear.

^^^^ can you post a picture of that for me please?
I have no idea what this is

[Mebot]

Back in the game again!!!:coolman: After crashing and totaling "Blackular" my '03 300A,:bigcry: I found another Black 300A in Conroe,Texas at Gullo Ford via Cars.com. Called to see if internet was updated and was car still available? He said yes but someone suppose to come see it today. Me & my 19 y.o grandson take off to Conroe about 225 or so miles away from me. Good, now I don't have to go to Stafford, Va. to look at one. Now just got to transform it to make it mine. Its all stock 55,000+ miles.
So my tranny,4:10's & wing will be added form "Blackular" along with SS inserts & chin spoiler I've already ordered. But I got to have some paint work done first, low miles but paint not up to my standards but at least I'm off the sidelines & BACK IN THE GAME!!!:D

There's a Marauder for sale in Stafford, VA? :confused:

sent from a Samsung Galaxy far far away..

[Wenke Racing]

Differences on the 300B are...

Heated seats
Traction control
Manual fuel door
Mini Spare
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield
No map pockets
Clock in radio
No Hood Light


My 300b has no heated seats and has a hood light?

[gpfarrell]

Heated seats were optional.

[Mebot]

Differences on the 300B are...

Heated seats
Traction control
Manual fuel door
Mini Spare
Dot Matrix on upper portion of windshield
No map pockets
Clock in radio
No Hood Light


My 300b has no heated seats and has a hood light?

Well as been discussed at length here are there are a few "crossover" Marauders that exist with a mixture of A and B options. These options aren't a hard line in the sand, rather they just provide a somewhat high-level litmus test to gauge whether your Marauder is an A or B


My question is: where does the 300 come from and what does it signify?

sent from a Samsung Galaxy far far away..

[Marauderman]

Well as been discussed at length here are there are a few "crossover" Marauders that exist with a mixture of A and B options. These options aren't a hard line in the sand, rather they just provide a somewhat high-level litmus test to gauge whether your Marauder is an A or B


My question is: where does the 300 come from and what does it signify?

sent from a Samsung Galaxy far far away..

Not sure --Steve Babcock can verify--but it may have something do with the series--but most like to think it's because it was the first production 4 dr at the time with 300 + HP.......

[Mebot]

because it was the first production 4 dr at the time with 300 + HP.......

Makes sense to me. That's good logic!

[Invader]

FWIW, I found another difference in the two. Under the dash board on the drivers side, there is a plastic cover that hides all the wiring and holds the floor light on the 300A. The 300B only has a bracket to hold the light and the cover is gone.

[Marauderman]

FWIW, I found another difference in the two. Under the dash board on the drivers side, there is a plastic cover that hides all the wiring and holds the floor light on the 300A. The 300B only has a bracket to hold the light and the cover is gone.

I was referring to 300 HP --the A and the B refers to production differences........

[tbone]

Speaker grilles on rear speakers on the A's. Or was it the difference between 03's and 04's?

[vegasmarauder]

03 A's had grilles, 03 B's did not.

And I noticed that on the center console on the 2003 the vynil edge just above the carpet on each side of the console is padded. On 2004, it is now a hard molded piece of plastic, no more padding.

[snookey]

my 2004 has a factory moon roof

[fastblackmerc]

my 2004 has a factory moon roof

2004 Marauders where the only year you could order a factory moonroof.

[Bluerauder]

my 2004 has a factory moon roof
The Moonroof does not factor into the 300A vs. 300B discussion. It was an option offered on the 2004 MM. If you have one of those moonroof options, the VIN will start as "2MHHM...". Non-moonroof equipped Marauders are "2MEHM...". The only exception would be if a moonroof was an aftermarket addition after delivery was taken from the dealer. There are a couple of those out there like the '03 Blue MM with moonroof that GordonB has.

[tmwlch1]

Ok. I have a 2003 Police Interceptor Marauder. It has things from 2003 and 2004 an says it is a 300B. If these are really rare. Can anyone e-mail me at tom@afthome.com and explain them. From what I can find out on my own is 28 where made for Florida Highway Patrol for chase cars on I-95. This one was sold at a ford dealer here in Youngstown Ohio to a private company. I bought it about 3 weeks ago in PA. Thank you Tom.

[fastblackmerc]

Ok. I have a 2003 Police Interceptor Marauder. It has things from 2003 and 2004 an says it is a 300B. If these are really rare. Can anyone e-mail me at tom@afthome.com and explain them. From what I can find out on my own is 28 where made for Florida Highway Patrol for chase cars on I-95. This one was sold at a ford dealer here in Youngstown Ohio to a private company. I bought it about 3 weeks ago in PA. Thank you Tom.

There is no " Police Interceptor Marauder". There were some Marauders that were modified for the FHP.

Not a rare one either. When the model year changed Ford used the rest of the 2003 parts they had in stock on the 2004's.

See the first few posts of this thread for the A vs B differences.

[Bluerauder]

Ok. I have a 2003 Police Interceptor Marauder. It has things from 2003 and 2004 an says it is a 300B. If these are really rare. Can anyone e-mail me at tom@afthome.com and explain them. From what I can find out on my own is 28 where made for Florida Highway Patrol for chase cars on I-95. This one was sold at a ford dealer here in Youngstown Ohio to a private company. I bought it about 3 weeks ago in PA. Thank you Tom.

There were 18 Marauders donated to the FHP by an anonymous corporate benefactor back in the December 2004 timeframe. The article (see below) was littered with some inaccuracies (e.g. Cobra motor), etc. The rest of the article is here >>>> http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20041208/NEWS/412080617?p=2&tc=pg

According to a May 2005 post from Dennis Reinhart who did the mods for FHP ..... "Every car has SCT tuning, a Metal Matrix Drive Shaft (MMDS), KVR brake pads on all 4 wheels, ADDCO rear sway bar, and an Autometer oil pressure guage. Another post indicated that each car had SS Inserts on the rear bumper and "Cobra emblems" on the front fenders.

Here's an excerpt from the article.


.... Undercover cars are nothing new in Sarasota County, which is already patrolled by unmarked sheriff's vehicles.

The Marauder is even harder to spot, and more powerful.

"Basically, they took the motor out of a Cobra Mustang and stuck it in a Mercury Grand Marquis," said Dennis Reinhart, whose automotive shop in Orange Park added a "high-speed metal matrix drive shaft" to increase the car's top speed from 128 mph to more than 140 mph.

The cars also have digital radars and an infared camera.

All 18 of the $31,000 cars were paid for and donated by an anonymous benefactor, said a Highway Patrol spokesperson.

[tmwlch1]

Yes I spoke with Mr Reinhart today. He is the one who told me there was a total of 28 he done . He did not know how one would have gotten to a dealer here in Ohio to be sold new. I have the window sticker it shows cost of 35000.00 new. I will talk to him more when I take it down to him to work on. Thank you all.

[MOTOWN]

Yes I spoke with Mr Reinhart today. He is the one who told me there was a total of 28 he done . He did not know how one would have gotten to a dealer here in Ohio to be sold new. I have the window sticker it shows cost of 35000.00 new. I will talk to him more when I take it down to him to work on. Thank you all.

Based on your thread count im figuring you have no clue your about to hand your car over to the Devil! Take plenty of pics as you will most likely never see it all intact again!:rolleyes:

[lji372]

Yes I spoke with Mr Reinhart today. He is the one who told me there was a total of 28 he done . He did not know how one would have gotten to a dealer here in Ohio to be sold new. I have the window sticker it shows cost of 35000.00 new. I will talk to him more when I take it down to him to work on. Thank you all.

I would find a new mechanic...........

[tmwlch1]

I am open to suggestions . Internet search does not show anyone else.

[MOTOWN]

I am open to suggestions . Internet search does not show anyone else.

Take your car to Marty O, or to Lidio, DR is nothing more than a thief! he has stripped quite a few members cars here, and got away with it, stay away from that guy!

Oh and i have pics to prove it! This site protected that guy for far too long!

[MyBlackBeasts]

Take it to Mo's.

He is a vendor here.

Check out his reviews.

Closer to you also.

[CWright]

I am open to suggestions . Internet search does not show anyone else.


PM sent!!!

[MOTOWN]

Take it to Mo's.

He is a vendor here.

Check out his reviews.

Closer to you also.

His shop did work on my car, and i am very pleased with the results! best of all my drivetrain was still there!:burnout:

[CWright]

Take it to Mo's.

He is a vendor here.

Check out his reviews.

Closer to you also.


PM sent!!!


His shop did work on my car, and i am very pleased with the results! best of all my drivetrain was still there!:burnout:



I back all these statements 1000% !