Toyota is within 700,000 units of Ford

[V10_P70]

Just finished reading Automotive News, May 12, 2003 page 47, the stats show that Toyota is within 700,000 units of Ford's 2002 Global vehicle unit sales. This means in the near future that ranking will be GM, Toyota and Ford. Makes you understand what happens when you lose site of the customer.

Have owned Ford's forever and generally buy 3 new ones every year. Here is a short list of some of the cars owned: 62 Lightweight Galaxie
64 289 Fairlane 500 sedan
64 519 Fairlane 500 sedan
64 280 Cyclone
66 427 Fairlane
67 390 Mustang
67 427 Mustang
68 427 Cougar
69 428 SCJ Cyclone
70 429 Torino
70 429 CJ Tornio Wagon
71 429 CJ Cougar
71 Maverick Grabber
7x Mercury PI
99 V10 Crown Victoria
99 5.4 F150
00 4.6 PI (3)
01 5.4 F150
02 6.8 F250
Can't spell today.

[Marauder57]

You buy 3 a year????

You lookin to adopt? :D

[TAF]

Originally posted by V10_P70
Have owned Ford's forever and generally buy 3 new ones every year. Here is a short list of some of the cars owned: 62 Lightweight Galaxie
64 289 Fairlane 500 sedan
64 519 Fairlane 500 sedan
64 280 Cyclone
66 427 Fairlane
67 390 Mustang
67 427 Mustang
68 427 Cougar
69 428 SCJ Cyclone
70 429 Torino
70 429 CJ Tornio Wagon
71 429 CJ Cougar
71 Maverick Grabber
7x Mercury PI
99 V10 Crown Victoria
99 5.4 F150
00 4.6 PI (3)
01 5.4 F150
02 6.8 F250
Can't spell today.

I guess you took some time off between '71 & '99...:lol:

[DLoreanMARAUDER]

heres a story about why Im not a Ford guy

Yea, I lost intrest in Ford a while ago. back in '98 My father started a Limousine Business, and financed (over a period of 3 years) 5 superstreach Town cars and 2 sedans (2 in 98, 3 in 99 and 2 (sedans) in 2000). my father made every payment on time, but ford always harased him and then they hated doing recall work. the customer service was very poor and they treated us like "oh you got the cars, all we want is ur money and we dont want to see you again". every time he went to buy another one it was such a proccess. It just seamed like they didnt want our business. They never notified us about recalls, and they gave him such a hard time any time work was needed to be done to them. He had PERFECT credit then too. finally my dad got so fed up and turned off by Ford, That he leased 7 Cadillac limos and turned in all the Town Cars giving him bad credit (thats why he leased the caddys before surrendering the lincolns) but he said it was worth it. my father has always been a caddy guy. he used to buy a new caddy ever 2 years untill he got ill. in fact I was born in my fathers 2 week old seville back in '84. ruined the white leather. he was always treated very well by GM and expected similar by Ford, but that didnt happen:down:.

and although the treatment is not any better than its been, I came back to ford for my MM (mainly cause caddy wouldnt finance to a 19 year old, but ford did:up: ). I love the MM, but FMC has to shape up.

not to :flamer: , just going by my familys personal experience, and expressing my view.

[TAF]

Originally posted by DLoreanMARAUDER
in fact I was born in my fathers 2 week old seville back in '84.

I've got to go lay down....

[DLoreanMARAUDER]

i know its a bit much to take in. guess my dad didnt drive fast enough:D

[Fourth Horseman]

Originally posted by DLoreanMARAUDER
heres a story about why Im not a Ford guy

I've always been a Ford guy, but have liked GM products (just never bought any). While I love my Marauder and plan to keep it, I think my next vehicle will be a GM product.

I'm generally not happy with the quality control on the last couple Ford vehicles I've purchased. Maybe it's that way on the GM side, too, but I'd like to give them a try and find out for myself.

I hope Ford gets its act together. As things stand right now I'm pretty disappointed in them. If things seem to turn around I'll be happy to come back and buy more of their products.

[RCSignals]

A few months ago it was reported that Toyota was about to surpass Chevrolet in sales.

Delorean, your story sounds like your dad was a Cadillac man before he bought Lincolns. Perhaps that was his problem. He's just not happy with anything but a Cadillac.
Lincoln is still King of the Limousine industry, that says something.

Ford is the only company that has ever contacted me about recalls, even when i was third owner of a vehicle. They get registered owner info from State DMVs.

I know people who work for General Motors dealerships. According to them GM is the worst at keeping manufacturer recalls and upgrades secret.

I've not had problem with Ford service. I have had problem with Chrysler, Honda, BMC

Enough friends of mine have bought General Motors products, that I don't need to buy any to experience them.

[RCSignals]

V10_P70

What is your point with all your negative threads? You truly don't seem to like Ford, or Ford products. Why do you go to Ford boards and post this stuff, always with a jaundiced and negative slant?
Just curious

[V10_P70]

Have had other cars like E350, Taurus, LTD, SVO Mustang, Mazda 323, Challenger, 455 SD Trans Am, 454 Monte Carlo, etc. Last count have owned 20 muscle cars from the various OEM's. As long as it goes fast, I will own it.

In California, the foreign OEM's seem to have better cars and care about customer service. Every Ford that I have owned from 1999 forward has been at the dealership at least once for recalls. What a pain in the butt. Quality is Job 1.

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by V10_P70
62 Lightweight Galaxie
64 289 Fairlane 500 sedan
64 519 Fairlane 500 sedan
64 280 Cyclone
66 427 Fairlane
67 390 Mustang
67 427 Mustang
68 427 Cougar
69 428 SCJ Cyclone
70 429 Torino
70 429 CJ Tornio Wagon
71 429 CJ Cougar
71 Maverick Grabber
7x Mercury PI
99 V10 Crown Victoria
99 5.4 F150
00 4.6 PI (3)
01 5.4 F150
02 6.8 F250


Where were you in the '80s V10, witness protection?

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Where were you in the '80s V10, witness protection?

Not to mention most of the '70s amd '90s

[TAF]

Originally posted by DLoreanMARAUDER
i know its a bit much to take in. guess my dad didnt drive fast enough:D

It's not the story that made me have to go lay down....it's that you were born in '84!!!

[DLoreanMARAUDER]

Originally posted by RCSignals
Delorean, your story sounds like your dad was a Cadillac man before he bought Lincolns.


maybe your right. my dad has always been a caddy guy, but even he said lincoln is a better choice for limousines. ever since caddy went to FWD thier limousines have gone down. he like the new (98-present) lincolns, but he has had some older lincolns too. we had an '78, '86, '89, '91, '92, and a '96. It cant be just me, but me personally have seen almost every single v8 Ford burn oil after 80k miles(remember this is from my own view and viewing friends cars and just cars driving on the street). I know it also depends on driving and seeing as how most of ford v8's are either taxis or cop cars that get driven hard, its understandable that they burn oil, but even personal cars (mustangs, mark series, etc.) that ive seen and owned burn excessive oil. im not saying caddys or other GM vehicles dont burn oil but my bro has a '90 deville with 220k running strong and without any oil burn, my old '90 eldorado had 145k without oil burn, but my old '91 town car (before the limo bussiness and was privetly owned) with 80k burned oil. my friends '95 mustang (owned since new) just started burning oil when he hit 75k. it says something (atleast it does to me). im not saying FORD sucks or anything, cause they dont. there just not cadillacs (but im sure you already knew that :lol: ) this is just my experience.

also, as far as recalls. with the caddys my father has always been notified very quickly, however, i just looked up a bunch of recalls on our 2000 suburban that we were never notified about, so I can see what your saying. we now have 3 '03 fords, vs the 10 pre-'02 GM vehicles (i know we have a lot of cars, and were not in the limo business anymore, thats all personal cars)

and thats my story sad but true :D

TAF, dont be too shcoked that im only 19, it could be worse :D

[merc]

But I'm a superstitious man. And if some unlucky
accident should befall V10...if he should get shot in the head by a
webmaster, or if he should hang himself in cyber jail cell, or
if he's struck by a Ford lightning, then I'm going to blame some
of the people in this room. And that I do not forgive. But that
aside, let me say that I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren,
that I will not be the one who boots V10_P70 off this site for his negative attitude and breaking the peace we have made here today.

:uzi: :lol:

Don Merc

:rasta:

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.

[RCSignals]

DLoreanMARAUDER
I haven't experienced Fords V8s burning oil at 80,000.
I know some early to mid '90s 4.6s had valve stem seal problems, but that isn't the same as ring or bad valve problems. valve stem seals are an easy fix.
I've read testimonials of Lincolns in livery service with 500,000 miles on them, original engine and transmission. That says something.

I know '80s and '90s Chryslers have big oil burning problems, particularly mini vans.

[FordNut]

RC,
I have had mixed experiences, but my Mark VII with almost 250,000 miles uses a quart between changes at 5,000 miles (actually closer to 2 quarts 'cause it's ready for another one at oil change time) which I think is exceptional. I've had a couple of other used ones that were newer and used lots more oil, about 1 quart per 1,000 miles. The main difference is I don't know the maintenance history of the oil burners, as I got them used with over 50,000 miles on them already whereas I got the "good one" barely used and have kept it well-maintained for 13 years. So basically all I really have to say is keep the maintenance up and it should last many, many miles.

[Bigdogjim]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by merc
But thataside, let me say that I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren,that I will not be the one who boots V10_P70 off this site for his negative attitude and breaking the peace we have made here today.

One must take ownership of ones actions. Or in this case words.
The only ONE who can boot any one off this site is them self.


Very simple but, very true.

[Bigdogjim]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DLoreanMARAUDER
[B] im not saying caddys or other GM vehicles dont burn oil but my bro has a '90 deville with 220k running strong and without any oil burn, my old '90 eldorado had 145k without oil burn, but my old '91 town car (before the limo bussiness and was privetly owned) with 80k burned oil. my friends '95 mustang (owned since new) just started burning oil when he hit 75k. it says something (atleast it does to me). im not saying FORD sucks or anything, cause they dont. there just not cadillacs (but im sure you already knew that :lol: ) this is just my experience.

Come to my yard and I'll show you V-8 Fords driven HARDER then you'll ever drive your MM and the do not use any oil! Some of these engines have 245,000 miles on them and are only 3 years old!

BUILT FORD TOUGH!

[RCSignals]

That doesn't seem so bad Fordnut. Is it just "using" the quart, or do you actually see some blue smoke?

There was a time that it was considered "normal" to see that kind of oil consumption between changes

[Logan]

Isn't there a Toyota forum around to discuss this in?