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AstroVic
11-21-2006, 08:29 PM
Well, I wasn't really all that impressed. It was a disappointment for me, too, because I really had high hopes for the Charger (even though I'm a Ford Crown Vic loyalist). In fact, I've been secretly lusting after them ever since they hit the market. What a bummer the Charger turned out to be. :(

The Charger was left at our department as a "test" vehicle by the local Dodge dealership. Needless to say, I grabbed the keys and took it out for a serious workout. Here are my impressions.

Pros:

1. The Charger *looks* awesome! It's a mean, sexy looking car. Especially in black, which my department uses.
2. It's got PLENTY of muscle with the Hemi V8 under the hood. Push the pedal and it gets up to speed in a hurry.

Cons:

3. The car has some goofy and downright awkward instrumentation. WTF is up with the cruise control lever anyhow? And the shift lever? The damn thing takes a rocket scientist to get it in gear! Total PITA.
4. The interior just felt cheap - Chrysler standard-issue cheap, if you know what I mean. The first plastic panel I touched fell off and had to be re-snapped into place. Sadly, this is what I've come to expect from Daimler-Chrysler. Cheap, crappy interiors. What else is cheap on the car?
5. The seats were halfway decent, but nowhere near as comfortable as the Crown Vic (or even the Impala) seats. The fabric felt cheap and looked cheap. I suppose the Charger seats would be okay once you got used to them, but the truth is the CVPIs are leagues ahead in seat comfort and ergonomics.
6. The Charger has poor visibility (particularly compared to the Crown Vics). I had to lean forward and strain upward to see the traffic signal lights. It was VERY annoying! Also, the "C" pillar created a pretty nasty blind spot, and the view out the rear window was pretty sad, too.
7. The center console area doesn't appear well-suited for police equipment. It's not very deep (for radios, siren boxes, computer mounting brackets, switch panels, etc.) and it just seems poorly designed overall.
8. If you opt for the full-size spare, you've basically given up the entire trunk. They mount the spare on some kind of goofy bracket which essentially destroys any functionality the trunk might have once had. What a total waste! Particularly in a police car! Note to Chrysler execs: Cops carry LOTS of gear and actually *NEED* the trunk space! This design was so poor, I wanted to take a picture of it and post it for all to see. Just un-friggin'-believable!
9. The car is too expensive. The Hemi version runs about $26,000. New CVPIs and Impala 9C1s cost about two or three grand less. And, heck, for that price, I could buy *TWO* clean, used 50,000-mile 2004 Crown Vic Police Interceptors and drop AED or Vortech superchargers on them and have just as much power as the Hemi Charger without sacrificing the comfort and quality that comes with the Crown Vics.

At the end of the day, my test of the Charger left me high and dry on expectations. Thank God for the Crown Vic (and Marauder)! :)

Just thought I'd share....

LILALLEYKATT
11-21-2006, 08:50 PM
Another plus for the CVPI is that the dividers can be swapped from cars being retired into new units at no cost other than labor, Dividers are $1500+

RR|Suki
11-21-2006, 08:56 PM
same experience I had driving one for a month and a half. The main thing that bugged me was the blind spot, and the shape of the seats. Sweet looking car though

AstroVic
11-21-2006, 09:00 PM
Yeah, the blind spots are a very serious problem with the car. Not good at all! And the seats were definitely not comfortable, especially when you face the prospect of spending 8+ hours a day in them!

But it looks sexy and goes fast. I gotta give it that!

Of course, I don't think the sexy-go-fast attributes would be enough to convince me to buy one. Too many practical downsides to the car.

Marauder2005
11-21-2006, 09:01 PM
The 'hollow plasic' interior does look very cheap. As a police vehicle, I never

thought it would pose a threat to the CVPI. If anything, the Charger is good

for the fact it might just have presured Ford to drop the 3V V8 from the

Mustang in the CVPI. Rumor has it :)

AstroVic
11-21-2006, 09:10 PM
If anything, the Charger is good for the fact it might just have presured Ford to drop the 3V V8 from the Mustang in the CVPI. Rumor has it :)

Yeah, I'd take a supercharged Crown Vic over the Charger any day of the week! That would be the best of both worlds - comfort AND power! :)

Of course, a naturally aspirated, 3V V8 with about 300+ horsepower would be nice, too. :)

Shora
11-21-2006, 09:49 PM
Yeah, I'd take a supercharged Crown Vic over the Charger any day of the week! That would be the best of both worlds - comfort AND power! :)

Of course, a naturally aspirated, 3V V8 with about 300+ horsepower would be nice, too. :)

You will be long retired before you see a S/C in a standard CVPI.

Maybe a BMW 7 series long wheel base would be the best also (power, room, comfort, room for police add ons, large trunk and "sexy looking") but it isn't going to happen.

AstroVic
11-21-2006, 09:52 PM
You will be long retired before you see a S/C in a standard CVPI.

True. But I have the luxury of purchasing my own police vehicle. I own it and I get an annual car allowance in return. So, a S/C'd CVPI isn't out of the question. :)

Shora
11-21-2006, 10:16 PM
True. But I have the luxury of purchasing my own police vehicle. I own it and I get an annual car allowance in return. So, a S/C'd CVPI isn't out of the question. :)

Nice option!! However, I still don't recommend that you do it. Should the car fail on you in an emergency (especially because of the S/C) it will look really bad. What if you get into an accident while speeding or in pursuit? It will look bad. You need some thing stock drive train wise and it will be best to have something still covered under warranty.

Remember, you are a professional when on the job. S/C your Marauder instead.

I know, I'm only 25 but sometimes I act like I'm 75.

Stay safe out there!!

96DiamondVIII
11-21-2006, 10:47 PM
I can sympathize with your visibility complaints. I've driven two Chrysler 300C's, which are dimensionally similar, and I felt like I was sitting in a damn pillbox! The interior in those was actually pretty nice, but outward visibility was limited in the front and downright miserable in the back...

RCSignals
11-22-2006, 12:26 AM
The standard Police Charger is the V6 version.

I've heard also that there are maintenance concerns with the Chargers in Police service, particularly with the 'Hemi', and transmissions. It isn't cheap to fix.

Mike Poore
11-22-2006, 04:31 AM
Well, I wasn't really all that impressed. It was a disappointment for me, too, because I really had high hopes for the Charger (even though I'm a Ford Crown Vic loyalist). In fact, I've been secretly lusting after them ever since they hit the market. What a bummer the Charger turned out to be. :( Just thought I'd share....

Thanks Todd, very thorough and thoughtful report. Hopefully the folks who purchase the fleet vehicles are listening to the end users.

AstroVic
11-22-2006, 05:25 AM
The standard Police Charger is the V6 version.

I haven't driven one of the 3.5L V6 models. The one at our department is a Hemi-powered Charger.


I've heard also that there are maintenance concerns with the Chargers in Police service, particularly with the 'Hemi', and transmissions. It isn't cheap to fix.

I've heard the same thing. The Charger comes with 18" wheels......um, how much are those tires going to cost again? On most police cars, you're lucky to get 12,000 to 15,000 out of a set of tires. I suspect the replacement cost is going to become quite the unhappy experience for those who choose this car.

Don't forget the notorious brakes (the ones that caught on fire and sometimes burned down the whole car) that came as standard-issue equipment on the police Intrepids.

But, I suppose the Charger *does* look cool. Hahaha... ;)

Mike Poore
11-22-2006, 06:06 AM
But, I suppose the Charger *does* look cool. Hahaha... ;)

PSP sits unoccupied high-vis cars at various places to control traffic, I've even seen blow up dolls with hats in some of 'em.
:laugh:
With all the negative stuff about the Charger PI, with their bad boy look and all, perhaps they could just park 'em for use as decoys.

Ross
11-22-2006, 10:37 AM
AstroVic, what department do you work for?

pantheroc
11-22-2006, 10:40 AM
Our city decided to lease Charger PIs. Hopefully this will prevent us absorbing repair costs as taxpayers.

Johnman
11-22-2006, 07:13 PM
Well, I've owned both cars at the same time (see pic), so I think I can compare them pretty accurately. The Charger is, mainly, a much more modern and refined vehicle. I loved my Marauder, but it's body-on-frame architecture is ancient. The Charger is MUCH quieter inside, even with the monster 6.1 liter engine under throttle. The interior is somewhat stark, but the dash layout I really like, and unlike the Marauder/Crown Vics, it's design is not compromised by the need to accomodate a front bench seat. Also, the front seats are not as overly wide like the Marauder's, allowing for a much larger and roomier center console. Yes, visibility is compromised by the swoopy styling but I deal with it. As for downsides, the rear fastback window bakes the rear seat passengers in the hot sun, which wasn't a problem in the Marauder. And it can't beat the Marauder's huge trunk space. The Marauder also has cool auxillary guages on the center stack (the Charger has only a temp guage!) and much cooler-looking chrome rear exhaust tips than the Charger. I wish I could have kept my Marauder, but I just couldn't. But I'll always fondly remember my 3 and a half years with it.