MM Light Weight Hood interest?

[Skilz10179]

After searching high and low for a aftermarket MM hood and coming up with nothing i decided to contact a company to see if they had any interest in making them.

This is the e mail i sent them....

"I've been looking for a light weight composite (carbon fiber / fiber glass) hood for this car for years but have come to the conclusion that no one makes one. I am writing you today to see if there is a possibility that Class Glass would be willing to produce a hood for the Marauder. The 98-04 Crown Victoria also shares the same hood as the 03-04 Marauders. Please let me know if you have any interest and any other details such as minimum production number, estimated price ect.

Thank you,
Jeremy Harrington"

The responce I recieved....

"Jeremy,
To make a bolt on hood would require making two molds (inner & outter) at a cost of $1200.00 plus the cost of making the hood of $425.00. If we are to absorb the mold cost we would need to sell a minium of 20 hoods.
If you are looking for a light weight hood I would suggest making the outter skin mold at half the cost, making a light weight skin with some pro-mat bracing and pinning it on. Total cost for the mold and pin-on hood $850.00.
If you want to make a pin-on hood we would need a steel hood to work from.
Bob."

I am considering either a OEM style hood or maybe a 1.5" cowl, nothing gaudy or tacky.

How many people have a serious interest in buying a bolt on hood?

If you're currious who the company is click here.
http://www.classglassperformance.com/

[KillJoy]

I like the idea, but that pricing puts it out of my reach.

KillJoy

PS - History has proven, THAT ONLY ONE STYLE SHOULD BE OFFERED FROM THE GET GO! :up:

[markZ]

I would be interested in the OEM hood. All of the other hoods that were discussed before were guady, I can live with the cost since I also have not found any around producing a hood.
Count me in!!!

[Skilz10179]

I like the idea, but that pricing puts it out of my reach.

KillJoy

PS - History has proven, THAT ONLY ONE STYLE SHOULD BE OFFERED FROM THE GET GO! :up:

$425 is a great price for a hood but i understand not everyone has that kind of cash burning a hole in their pocket.

I had only planned on them making one style hood, which style it is depends on the demand.

[KillJoy]

$425 is a great price for a hood but i understand not everyone has that kind of cash burning a hole in their pocket.

I had only planned on them making one style hood, which style it is depends on the demand.


I'm sorry. I read that wrong. I read the price as $850.

For $450, depending on style, weight, material and shipping, I WOULD be interested.

KillJoy

PS - Slightly Cowled, no sharp angles :up:

[Blackened300a]

For $450, depending on style, weight, material and shipping, I WOULD be interested.

+1 Come up with a design and real world pics of what it looks like on a Marauder. If they appeal to the masses, You'll sell a lot more then 20.

[Joe Walsh]

Are we talking about a Carbon Fiber hood, or just a Fiberglass hood?

The reason why I ask, is because a properly braced Fiberglass hood is not going to weigh much less than the OEM hood.

Ask them what they estimate it will weigh...

Jerry Barnes was trying to make an aftermarket hood available until he found out that a fiberglass hood offered negligible weight savings at an expensive price.

[KillJoy]

Are we talking about a Carbon Fiber hood, or just a Fiberglass hood?

The reason why I ask, is because a properly braced Fiberglass hood is not going to weigh much less than the OEM hood.

Ask them what they estimate it will weigh...Jerry Barnes was trying to make an aftermarket hood available until he found out that a fiberglass hood offered negligible weight savings at an expensive price.


Good point. :up:

KillJoy

[MERCMAN]

Methinks that there is no way a C/F hood will cost less than 800.00. I hope I am wrong

EDIT::

After visiting website, I belive all they do is fibreglass

[Todd]

I would be interested as well.

Only if it was a slight cowl. And as said above, no sharp edges. Nice smooth transitions.

There is absolutely no reason to go to a fiberglass hood if you are going to make it look completely stock. The only reason most makers use fiberglass when making these aftermarket hoods is because it is cheaper than metal. In most cases it isnt much lighter in bolt on form.

Depending on the car you may save a few pounds. But start adding support for the hydraulic supports etc (in other words, no prop rod) and you have lost the weight savings.

I want/need more hood clearance. Period. And a little heat exhaust would be nice also.

[TooManyFords]

There is absolutely no reason to go to a fiberglass hood if you are going to make it look completely stock. The only reason most makers use fiberglass when making these aftermarket hoods is because it is cheaper than metal. In most cases it isnt much lighter in bolt on form.


Or when we want to cut big holes in them. I'd go for a stock one that bolts on with no underside bracing. Just enough to bolt it to the hinges and a place for it to latch in the front is all I need.


John

[Skilz10179]

PS - Slightly Cowled, no sharp angles

That would be the plan if a cowl was decided on. Something that followed the OEM line of the hood only slightly elevated for clearance and a little fresh air.


+1 Come up with a design and real world pics of what it looks like on a Marauder. If they appeal to the masses, You'll sell a lot more then 20.

Just to make this clear, its not me selling any of these hoods. I will not be getting any profit or any better deal than the next guy.


Are we talking about a Carbon Fiber hood, or just a Fiberglass hood?

The reason why I ask, is because a properly braced Fiberglass hood is not going to weigh much less than the OEM hood.

Ask them what they estimate it will weigh...

Jerry Barnes was trying to make an aftermarket hood available until he found out that a fiberglass hood offered negligible weight savings at an expensive price.

I posted exactly what i wrote to them and exactly what they wrote back. They did not specify what matterial they planned to use.

Typically a OEM style fiberglass hood will weigh roughly half as much as a steel hood of the same size.


Methinks that there is no way a C/F hood will cost less than 800.00. I hope I am wrong

EDIT::

After visiting website, I belive all they do is fibreglass

I don't think you looked very closely at their site. I assure you they make carbon fiber parts. I have personally bought a carbon fiber trunk lid from them in the past.

I plan to reply to them later tonight or tomorrow, bringing up the points and questions you all have wondered about. I'll keep you guys posted.

[glassman99]

Let's get some more information. I would be interested in a mild heat extraction type carbon fiber hood...pin on would be ok as that would also save the weight of the hinge assembly.

[MERCMAN]

don't think you looked very closely at their site. I assure you they make carbon fiber parts. I have personally bought a carbon fiber trunk lid from them in the past.


I reviewed it again and they do work with carbon fiber, I missed it,,,, my apologies

[Todd]

Or when we want to cut big holes in them. I'd go for a stock one that bolts on with no underside bracing. Just enough to bolt it to the hinges and a place for it to latch in the front is all I need.


John


Brother, I may not be far behind you. I still havent been able to get a hood for my car. So in turn I havent even been able to drive it. It is still over at Dennis' shop with an expired tag.

I am working on a couple things now. But if something doesnt pan out soon I will get the ziz wheel and start cutting...!

[magindat]

In the past, we've never been able to pull this together cuz everyone want something different in a hood!

May I suggest:
Raise the cowl by approximately 2 inches at the wipers, starting at 0 at the grille and follow existing body lines. Just make the existing lines taller as you go back.

This should:
Allow clearance for folks like Todd
Extract heat as cowl induction
Provide a platform for other types of scoops, for example:
Cut a hole on each side of the new raised line and have that 'nostril' look some liked.
Add a mustang style low profile scoop.

It's a LOT easier to do tese things in CF or FG than bonding to metal espectially since we'd be starting with an easier platform.

What does the membership think?

I'd certainly buy one in the form I describe for the money mentioned and use it as a modding platform. I'd put it up on horses in the garage and FG and body filler it 'till I liked it! Then it'd get paint to match my existing theme!

What say you all?

[TooManyFords]

What say you all?

I say we've all been down this road and the potholes are just too big. There is nothing wrong with bonding the scoop/extractor/cowl of your choice to a FG hood since both pieces will invariably be FG.

Make a factory hood and be done. Simple.

Besides, I see a lot of tire kickers in this and the other thread and I would bet a sawbuck that of them, only 2 or 3 would have actually ponied up the cash.

John

[KillJoy]

In the past, we've never been able to pull this together cuz everyone want something different in a hood!

May I suggest:
Raise the cowl by approximately 2 inches at the wipers, starting at 0 at the grille and follow existing body lines. Just make the existing lines taller as you go back.

This should:
Allow clearance for folks like Todd
Extract heat as cowl induction
Provide a platform for other types of scoops, for example:
Cut a hole on each side of the new raised line and have that 'nostril' look some liked.
Add a mustang style low profile scoop.

It's a LOT easier to do tese things in CF or FG than bonding to metal espectially since we'd be starting with an easier platform.

What does the membership think?

I'd certainly buy one in the form I describe for the money mentioned and use it as a modding platform. I'd put it up on horses in the garage and FG and body filler it 'till I liked it! Then it'd get paint to match my existing theme!

What say you all?

Sure....why not :D

KillJoy

[magindat]

I say we've all been down this road and the potholes are just too big. There is nothing wrong with bonding the scoop/extractor/cowl of your choice to a FG hood since both pieces will invariably be FG.

Make a factory hood and be done. Simple.

Besides, I see a lot of tire kickers in this and the other thread and I would bet a sawbuck that of them, only 2 or 3 would have actually ponied up the cash.

John

John,
I actually agree. This is why I'd recommend a simple, unobvious modification to the hood design as I described so folks could use it as a spring-board to more.
In the past, option variants have made it impossible to seal a deal. Perhaps if folks knew up front this was a PLATFORM for further mods, we could decide on ONE design.
Another idea might be to simply collect as many deposits as possible on one design and then split the mold cost. Afterwards, have the mold destroyed. Sure, it sounds spitefull, but if I spend to have something relativley unique, I'm not about to let latecomers and fence riders benefit from my expenditure!!!
I'm sure if WE paid for the mold, the per piece cost would be less, cuz he's not trying to pay for the mold within the piece cost.

Figure:
if the mold is 1200 and he pays for it with 20 hoods, he's putting 60 on the hood cost. so 425, less 60 is 365. Split the mold over 6 people you get 365 + 200 for 565. A little much, ut a true custom, limited production. Destroy the mold and be one of the few!!!!

If we could take this approach and get down close to 500 a hood, I'd STILL do it!!!

[magindat]

Skillz, we're not trying to steal your thunder or discourage your efforts. We've seen this before (several times) and through experience are actually steering in a direction that might actually fly this time!

[TooManyFords]

John,
I actually agree. This is why I'd recommend a simple, un-obvious modification to the hood design as I described so folks could use it as a spring-board to more.

But by making even one un-obvious (to you) modification, you have now removed me from the list. See, -any- change other than stock and you start detracting, which was my point.

John

[Todd]

In the past, we've never been able to pull this together cuz everyone want something different in a hood!

May I suggest:
Raise the cowl by approximately 2 inches at the wipers, starting at 0 at the grille and follow existing body lines. Just make the existing lines taller as you go back.

This should:
Allow clearance for folks like Todd
Extract heat as cowl induction
Provide a platform for other types of scoops, for example:
Cut a hole on each side of the new raised line and have that 'nostril' look some liked.
Add a mustang style low profile scoop.

It's a LOT easier to do tese things in CF or FG than bonding to metal espectially since we'd be starting with an easier platform.

What does the membership think?

I'd certainly buy one in the form I describe for the money mentioned and use it as a modding platform. I'd put it up on horses in the garage and FG and body filler it 'till I liked it! Then it'd get paint to match my existing theme!

What say you all?

+1

Something simple yet actually performs a function.

[KillJoy]

+1

Something simple yet actually performs a function.


+2

KillJoy

[magindat]

But by making even one un-obvious (to you) modification, you have now removed me from the list. See, -any- change other than stock and you start detracting, which was my point.

John

I see your point. Just like with everything else. Can't please everyone always!!!

Could you use the suggested design as a 'spring board'? ...or would a rise in the deck level get in the way?

[magindat]

+1

Something simple yet actually performs a function.


+2

KillJoy

Well, skillz. You, me Steve and Todd make 4. Still too expensive to 'break the mold'. Any others?

[Todd]

But by making even one un-obvious (to you) modification, you have now removed me from the list. See, -any- change other than stock and you start detracting, which was my point.

John

You and I are in the same boat. We both need a hood versus just wanting one. So I feel your pain.

What would you want to do to a stock form fiberglass hood to accomodate your charger etc...?? A bigger scoop than in being discussed...?

No scoop but just a hole for the blower to stick through?

I dont think I remember you saying. If you did, I missed it.

There has to be a way to accomplish something for everyone. Could you modify a fiberglass hood with a slight cowl?

[Power Surge]

I just don't see the point of a stock style hood. Most people want a different hood, because they want something different. And if they are going to put something different on, then it being lighter is just a benefit of it. I Seriously doubt that anyone is going to buy a stock shaped lighter hood. There's just no point. Saving 30 lbs on a 4000lb vehicle just isn't worth $500 for the hood and then $200 to have it painted. If you want to save 30 lbs, take out the spare.

As for cutting a hole in the hood... it's just a hood. It's not like you're chopping the top or doing some other mod that permanent to the car. If you don't want to cut your factory MM hood, just get another stock one and cut that one. No matter which hood to change to, the car will still have to have paint blended into the fenders and header panel if you want it to all match properly (on a black car at least), so you're still "modifying" the car in a way.

Just my 2 cents.

PS- I have already spoken to my body guy about doing a hood for my car. We are going to get a second hood, and section out the center part as the "cowl". Then he's going to hand make the sides, and that will be the full width cowl section. I'll probably do this when things pick up and I have the extra cash.

[TooManyFords]

What would you want to do to a stock form fiberglass hood to accomodate your charger etc.? No scoop but just a hole for the blower to stick through?

There has to be a way to accomplish something for everyone. Could you modify a fiberglass hood with a slight cowl?

I just want a plain hood with a smooth top and bottom (no extra support) so I can cut a hole in it. If I had to compromise, no more than 1 inch for a cowl and it would have to be wider than the hole I need to cut.

So, you can see that what type of hole I need and what someone else will need will be different. I guess this is one that will pass me by and I'm ok with that.

Regardless, I'll wait till the mold has been cast and then work with the vendor on my own to get what I want unless it is a replica of the factory hood.

I've already cut my factory hood but am not happy with all the under-hood support bracing that I had to hack through. For a show car, it should have a smooth under-side and I don't have that. To fix what I have will cost almost as much as a new FG hood so this is why the interest.

john

[Raudermaster]

If you want my commit, it better be something that's not OEM. I would definately want a cowl of some sort, but NOT the Cobra R version.

[whoskal]

I am going to sit back and watch this one...I have wanted a cowl hood or something to that effect since the day I bought the car....Every hood thread on this site I have seen has blown up and never gets done. and I am very skeptical about commiting to one.


I do hope it goes through. I would like to see an aftermarket hood become available

I want a new look......but I also want function

[Marauder386]

I am going to sit back and watch this one...I have wanted a cowl hood or something to that effect since the day I bought the car....Every hood thread on this site I have seen has blown up and never gets done. and I am very skeptical about commiting to one.


I do hope it goes through. I would like to see an aftermarket hood become available

I want a new look......but I also want function


Exactly my thought that I was going to post...heat extraction is an interesting idea I would like to do with the black car/Southeast syndrome...

:cool:

[KillJoy]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood04.jpg
[/quote]

I would be interested in a style like this, w/o the gills in the middle.

What would pricing be?

KillJoy

[whoskal]

Well they just PM me and they are willing to do this for min of 25 hoods.

Championfg: How many orders can you get together? We are interested in doing it!
DReinhart1: what would be your min and I will get a deposit so you cannot get stuck and I have pictures of a some hhods for you to look at
DReinhart1: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood04.jpg (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood04.jpg)
DReinhart1: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood06.jpg (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood06.jpg)

Again this is just a idea
DReinhart1: I will get started on this today give me a minimum order if you can
Championfg: 25 hoods if possible


I love that dual scoop.........How many benjamin'$ are we talking here?

[KillJoy]

Also....we have been here before, and it died.

A style MUST BE PICKED! NO OPTIONS! THEN we may be able to get somewhere!!

KillJoy

[djbruce26]

FWIW I was the ONLY person who ended up ordering the Cobra R style hood when we had Champion Fiberglass producing them... it ended up falling through. There only seemed to be about 10 people who would have bought that hood (minus the heat extraction function) so even still that's about 10 short of the twenty needed. Count me out on more hood deals guys... the drama just isn't worth it. Good luck on getting it done but my .02 is that you should all pick one hood style and stick to it. Most people seem to like a 2" or so cowl, stock width... I'd say start there and see what you can figure out.

[magindat]

Also....we have been here before, and it died.

A style MUST BE PICKED! NO OPTIONS! THEN we may be able to get somewhere!!

KillJoy

Here we go again!

I agree with Steve. There must be ONE style and every taker would have to like it or know it's a platform for their OWN customization. We could POSSIBLY get 25 together if they were all THE SAME!

Common guys! True custom stuff costs time and money. If you want a different hood, suck it up and do what it takes. If you don't, well then we'll have to spend MORE time and money to mod as INDIVIDUALS!

Thanx Dennis for bringing your resources to the table.

Given the two choices pictured, it is this member's humble opinion that the cowl style would be more versatile than the twin ram style.

[magindat]

Most people seem to like a 2" or so cowl, stock width... I'd say start there and see what you can figure out.

I agree and again suggest this design would be the most verstile platform for further modification.

[juno]

The dual scoop looks good but has no functionality. I will spend the money for a custom hood only if it has some heat extraction, or can be converted very easily.

[CanadaMarauder]

Looks good with no Gills...http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r126/jfriberg/mercurymaruder_hood05.jpg

[FordNut]

2" cowl, '95 Cobra R style with no heat extractor gills. I'll take one of those.

[KillJoy]

Nice Photoshopping!

Now....can you extend the hump to the point of the stock raised portion???

THAT would be the ticket! :up:

KillJoy

[Skilz10179]

I just sent a reply back to Class Glass asking questions people have brought up as well as the ideas reflected in this forum. As soon as I recieve another response from them I will post it here for all to see.

[Skilz10179]

Champion sent me email and say the price with a bolt on will be close to 550.00, again this will only be considered if we have the min committed members and a coordinated GB

Am I wasting my time trying to help out the Marauder community?

[glassman99]

Probably. Just make a decision and make the hood....you will get purchasers, they just don't want to lead.

[KillJoy]

Probably. Just make a decision and make the hood....you will get purchasers, they just don't want to lead.


If SOMEONE, ANYONE, had the financial backing to have 20-ish hoods made....they WOULD sell them. The only determining factors would be $$$ and time....

KillJoy

[Skilz10179]

Probably. Just make a decision and make the hood....you will get purchasers, they just don't want to lead.

I only asked because Reinhart keeps trying to jump in....

[TooManyFords]

Am I wasting my time trying to help out the Marauder community?

No, keep working on it. I'm listening.

John

[FordNut]

Maybe two versions? Same mold, a fiberglass or carbon fiber option.

[RR|Suki]

No, keep working on it. I'm listening.

John


same here, if they did something like below, you'd get the most interest

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2206000-2206999/2206612_116_full.jpg

[AzMarauder]

Dennis,

The last time this came around I put money down on this hood.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood06.jpg

We never got enough people to pony up. Champion sent the money back.

I'm in once again for this style hood.

[RR|Suki]

Dennis,

The last time this came around I put money down on this hood.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood06.jpg

We never got enough people to pony up. Champion sent the money back.

I'm in once again for this style hood.

I'm confused... Is dennis the one offering the hood or is Skillz...I only read the first page, is Skillz's name Dennis... am I missing something???

[FordNut]

I'm confused... Is dennis the one offering the hood or is Skillz...I only read the first page, is Skillz's name Dennis... am I missing something???

You gotta read the whole thread for details.

Skilz is working with a company called Class Glass. Dennis says Champion Fiberglass is interested again now, too.

The previous Champion efforts failed, probably because of disagreement on the design which people were willing to buy. I was one of the people who planned to buy from Champion when the previous project was in the works, but the two designs that were offered when it became time to pay deposits weren't to my liking so I backed out.

Maybe the Class Glass offering will be what the majority of people are willing to put out the $$$ for. It would really be nice to have a true carbon fiber option (not a carbon fiber layer on top of a fiberglass hood like the ricers use) for additional weight savings, and Class Glass does offer carbon fiber products.

[magindat]

I only asked because Reinhart keeps trying to jump in....

He's trying to help. Better to have 2 irons in the fire than none at all!!!

[magindat]

Maybe two versions? Same mold, a fiberglass or carbon fiber option.

Now there's a way to have choices without increased cost!!!!!

[fairlane347]

same here, if they did something like below, you'd get the most interest

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2206000-2206999/2206612_116_full.jpg

I would be all over this hood, its the best one I have seen. Its simple and not over the top! JUST BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!:D

[magindat]

same here, if they did something like below, you'd get the most interest

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2206000-2206999/2206612_116_full.jpg

I agree, I just think the cowled portion should be a bit w i d e r. Great pic!

[KillJoy]

I would be all over this hood, its the best one I have seen. Its simple and not over the top! JUST BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!:D


Ahhhh....see now. This is where the opinions will be shown. I DO NOT like that. If the Cowl were the entire area of the raised portion of the hood... +1 for me ;)

KillJoy

[magindat]

I would be all over this hood, its the best one I have seen. Its simple and not over the top! JUST BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!:D

I think you're right.

Hey mods...
Let's make a poll and attach it to this thread!!!
The hood pictured in black above.
1) I wouldn't buy it...
2) I'd want one in fiberglass...
3) I'd want one in carbon fiber

Just that one and only design. That's it. No other choices. You want it different, mod it yourself (I will). That's the only way we'll get 20 commits!!!!

Hey skillz. Show them the picture and see if you can't get an estimate on:
Fiberglass...
Carbon Fiber...
Shipping...
so folks can better approximate true cost.
Also, find out if there can be a choice off the same mold and both coices count toward the 20.

Maybe this one will go somewhere!!!!

[magindat]

Ahhhh....see now. This is where the opinions will be shown. I DO NOT like that. If the Cowl were the entire area of the raised portion of the hood... +1 for me ;)

KillJoy

Which is what I orginally suggested. Can we get the pic modified to get an idea? Anyone?

Also, I think it would HAVE to be that wide to accomodate big head installs like Todd's.

Just trying to create mass appeal!

[RR|Suki]

Ahhhh....see now. This is where the opinions will be shown. I DO NOT like that. If the Cowl were the entire area of the raised portion of the hood... +1 for me ;)

KillJoy

you need to photoshop that before you're so sure. The raised portion of out hood is the majority of the hood, and triangular. you'll need to have a photoshop for people to see.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I only asked because Reinhart keeps trying to jump in....


Well Skilz your the man, you run with it. I posted because Champion contacted me after I spent hours on the phone trying to get Todd some help, so you give them a call and you set this up, if you can get 25 commited members.

[FordNut]

Deja vu, all over again... No consensus on the design.

[KillJoy]

you need to photoshop that before you're so sure. The raised portion of out hood is the majority of the hood, and triangular. you'll need to have a photoshop for people to see.


I hear ya, and agree. :up:

So PHOTOSHOP GUYS!!!!!! What say you?!?!?

KillJoy

[ParkRanger]

Dennis,

The last time this came around I put money down on this hood.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/7/8/7/mercurymaruderhood06.jpg

We never got enough people to pony up. Champion sent the money back.

I'm in once again for this style hood.


AZ:
Love this hood - it stays within the line of the car.
The cowled hood that everyone else is looking at has an unbalancing effect (front vs rear) IMHO

PR :burnout:

[Zack]

What ever happened to just buying the cowl and taking it to a body man?
Lot easier that way.
Have a group buy on the Cowls

[Todd]

I like this as well, its going to be up to the members to stay on this. I am making no mark up, all I did was again try and convice them to do this so we have TWO comitted now Todd you need to chime in


I will not go for the fake ram air hood. It doesnt accomplish a single thing other than a looks change. For some, that is what they are after. But I need functionality. Although I do think the fake ram air looks great. And if thats all I was after then I would be good either way.

A cowl in the only way I will go. Whether it be in a buy through this site or something I do on my own.



The bottom line is, this thread is about what Skillz is working on. To be fair to him, lets let him do what he can taking into consideration what everyone else has said.

So Skillz, let us know what they say.

[martyo]

A cowl in the only way I will go. Whether it be in a buy through this site or something I do on my own.


x 2

..........

[Todd]

What ever happened to just buying the cowl and taking it to a body man?
Lot easier that way.
Have a group buy on the Cowls

The add on scoops etc are a great idea. Most are metal so any good body guy can make them look great. And not near the issue of separation as there would be with fiberglass to metal....

The only problem with most of the add on scoops and cowls are that the lines are very abrupt. Very boxey is another way to put it. I want something that follows the lines of the car and compliments the car as well as adding the functionality that I HAVE to have.

In my opinion the ones I have seen are better suited to a hot rod or maybe fox body mustang etc. Not smooth enough to look right on the Marauder. If you have seen different please post a link.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I will not go for the fake ram air hood. It doesnt accomplish a single thing other than a looks change. For some, that is what they are after. But I need functionality. Although I do think the fake ram air looks great. And if thats all I was after then I would be good either way.

A cowl in the only way I will go. Whether it be in a buy through this site or something I do on my own.



The bottom line is, this thread is about what Skillz is working on. To be fair to him, lets let him do what he can taking into consideration what everyone else has said.

So Skillz, let us know what they say.


I agree I will delet my posts

[magindat]

I agree I will delet my posts

Now, that was a stand-up move!

Skillz, baby, it's on you now! Let us know what they say!!!!

[Skilz10179]

Maybe two versions? Same mold, a fiberglass or carbon fiber option.

I already brought this same idea up in a e mail i sent them yesterday. I am still awaiting their reply.


same here, if they did something like below, you'd get the most interest

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2206000-2206999/2206612_116_full.jpg

I described a hood very similar to that in the e mail i sent them yesterday, only a little more subtle with the cowl following the lines of the hood.


I'm confused... Is dennis the one offering the hood or is Skillz...I only read the first page, is Skillz's name Dennis... am I missing something???

I am not Dennis, he has nothing to do with this post unless he decides to pull the rug out from under me.


He's trying to help. Better to have 2 irons in the fire than none at all!!!

But by having two people both competing for the same market it will make it twice as hard for both of us to get the minimum number of people needed to get the ball rolling. If he wants to continue to push I will stop and let him go for it on his own, its not worth my time to push for this with the odds stacked against me.


Hey mods...
Let's make a poll and attach it to this thread!!!
The hood pictured in black above.
1) I wouldn't buy it...
2) I'd want one in fiberglass...
3) I'd want one in carbon fiber

Slow down a little bit, no need for any polls at this point. I still have yet to hear back from them with answers to the questions I've asked about optinal designs and materials. One step at a time my friends.....

[magindat]

Slow down a little bit, no need for any polls at this point. I still have yet to hear back from them with answers to the questions I've asked about optinal designs and materials. One step at a time my friends.....

Bored at work!

Being bored at work and watching this site always costs me money!!!!! :o

You're doing good.

[Power Surge]

Just FYI, Dennis and others have been working on this hood idea long before your post. I think Dennis was just trying to relay the lastest info on that project. You're not the first guy to come up with the idea of trying to have a hood made.

There ARE companies out there willing to make hoods for us. The problem is the lack of customer commitment to doing a low production run. Everyone wants one until it's actually go time.

If you can get a company to make some custom hoods without a quantity commitment, and a few hoods at a time, then more power to you.

[Dennis Reinhart]

[quote=Skilz10179;476350]

I am not Dennis, he has nothing to do with this post unless he decides to pull the rug out from under me.

quote]

Since I am not taking orders or making a profit just trying to help, I called Champion because I have been working on a Turbo project for three months now and the car has to have a hood. Champion they have already spoke to me, so I passed that info along, I was not trying to step on your toes, just trying to find help for the members here, I want no conflict so you are more than welcome to call them, I deleted all my other posts. Champion also answers IM's they use AOL so again. I am interested in a hood so is Sal so is Todd, Todd needed one yesterday, so as soon as you can get the committed members the better off every one will be. :beer:

[markZ]

Im down for the cowl hood 2" as far as material my vote is cabron fiber. I to think we need to stay with the factory lines. Once you get some info back let us all know.
Count me in for one.
I'll let them use my hood to make molds if needed.

[glassman99]

Carbon Fiber...factory lines.... sound good to me.

[MarauderTJA]

I would be all over this hood, its the best one I have seen. Its simple and not over the top! JUST BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!:D


I agree..I like this hood and would buy one if it became available...carbon fiber is the way to go.

[Skilz10179]

I am still awaiting a reply for the last e mail i sent to Class Glass, if I do not get a reply by tomorrow I will e mail them again.

[Skilz10179]

So minutes after making my previous post they sent me an e mail, lol.

The 2nd e mail I sent them.

"Judging from the response I am getting in the Marauder community there are a lot of people interested in a aftermarket hood right now. The only main issue I can see right now is deciding on an exact style hood. Some benefits people are looking for other than lighter weight are better hood clearance for superchargers and other engine modifications, allow a little fresh air in and let heat out as well as a slightly more aggressive look without looking gaudy or taking away from the clean look of the car. For the most part, myself as well as the majority of people are interested in a slight cowl design, maybe 1-1.5" tall following the factory lines of the hood with a very gradual raise, no sharp edges. Would there be any problems making a hood like this?

I was also wondering exactly what you would use to make these hood, carbon fiber or fiberglass and if optional what kind of price difference would there be.

Also people are asking for an estimated weight of the bolt on hood, just a ball park to give people an idea.

Jeremy"


Their responce that I just recieved minutes ago.


"Jeremy,
If we had a hood to work from it would be no problem to make a 1 or 1.5 inch cowl hood like you have described. The hood in fiberglass would be about 25 to 28 lbs. in carbon fiber with a black gelcoat finish (can't see the carbon on the outside) 15 to 18 lbs and would cost twice the price of a fiberglass hood.
Bob."

[RR|Suki]

So minutes after making my previous post they sent me an e mail, lol.

The 2nd e mail I sent them.

"Judging from the response I am getting in the Marauder community there are a lot of people interested in a aftermarket hood right now. The only main issue I can see right now is deciding on an exact style hood. Some benefits people are looking for other than lighter weight are better hood clearance for superchargers and other engine modifications, allow a little fresh air in and let heat out as well as a slightly more aggressive look without looking gaudy or taking away from the clean look of the car. For the most part, myself as well as the majority of people are interested in a slight cowl design, maybe 1-1.5" tall following the factory lines of the hood with a very gradual raise, no sharp edges. Would there be any problems making a hood like this?

I was also wondering exactly what you would use to make these hood, carbon fiber or fiberglass and if optional what kind of price difference would there be.

Also people are asking for an estimated weight of the bolt on hood, just a ball park to give people an idea.

Jeremy"


Their responce that I just recieved minutes ago.


"Jeremy,
If we had a hood to work from it would be no problem to make a 1 or 1.5 inch cowl hood like you have described. The hood in fiberglass would be about 25 to 28 lbs. in carbon fiber with a black gelcoat finish (can't see the carbon on the outside) 15 to 18 lbs and would cost twice the price of a fiberglass hood.
Bob."



I think you are gonna need a little more more than a 1.5" cowl to get people behind you on this.

[Skilz10179]

I thought the MM crowd liked tasteful mods......

[RR|Suki]

I thought the MM crowd liked tasteful mods......

tasteful sure, but I dunno if the people with space issues, and who want some good air movement are going to bite on 1.5" that's all. Seems like most people who want a new hood (including me) want it to actually function. Just a couple thoughts. Also without showing people what this is going to look like, the plan might fall apart quite quickly.

[MarauderTJA]

tasteful sure, but I dunno if the people with space issues, and who want some good air movement are going to bite on 1.5" that's all. Seems like most people who want a new hood (including me) want it to actually function. Just a couple thoughts. Also without showing people what this is going to look like, the plan might fall apart quite quickly.

I agree...A gradual rise to 2.5" with heat extraction is my preference. We have been down this road before, but I sure would like to see this happen. Fiberglass or carbon fiber.

[RR|Suki]

I agree...A gradual rise to 2.5" with heat extraction is my preference. We have been down this road before, but I sure would like to see this happen. Fiberglass or carbon fiber.

Yeah something like that would be good, especially for those of us with heavy mods, creating more than normal heat.

[KillJoy]

I agree...A gradual rise to 2.5" with heat extraction is my preference. We have been down this road before, but I sure would like to see this happen. Fiberglass or carbon fiber.


+2

CF or FG....whichever :D

CF has the cool factor....FG have the reality check ;)

KillJoy

[MarauderTJA]

Yeah something like that would be good, especially for those of us with heavy mods, creating more than normal heat.

Your right. Besides, us heavy-mod guys (what I call Extreme Marauders) might as well look the part at this point, if you know what I mean. When people hear our cars, the stealth effect is gone anyway.:rolleyes:

[snowbird]

IMO, if you follow the evased lines of the raised "U" on the stock hood lines, near the windshield the height of the cowl could be a little less and still displace quite a bit of CFMs given the large overall width.

I wonder how we could calculate the orifice square inches needed to be effective as an heat escape in relation to the front grille opening surface ? :fishing:

[MarauderTJA]

IMO, if you follow the evased lines of the raised "U" on the stock hood lines, near the windshield the height of the cowl could be a little less and still displace quite a bit of CFMs given the large overall width.

I wonder how we could calculate the orifice square inches needed to be effective as an heat escape in relation to the front grille opening surface ? :fishing:

Yvon, I think you should be in charge of figuring that out:beer: .

[RR|Suki]

Yvon, I think you should be in charge of figuring that out:beer: .
There has to be someone on this board who has a degree that could be applicable...

[FordNut]

The cowl hood works two different ways for heat extraction, based on experiences of gdmjoe. Sitting still, heat from the engine compartment comes out of the cowl. In motion, cool air from outside is forced into the cowl.

As for sizing, I believe 2-2.5" would be optimal. The 3" Mustang cowl hood looks too tall (IMO).

Sounds like the only way to get a mold made is to get a stock hood and bond a fiberglass cowl scoop to it, then sacrifice the modified hood to make a mold. Might be worth it to get a solid 'glass hood. Shipping the steel hood is expensive, though.

[snowbird]

Yvon, I think you should be in charge of figuring that out:beer: .
Damn !! I'm I a lousy fisherman ?!! LOL

[MarauderTJA]

Damn !! I'm I a lousy fisherman ?!! LOL

Non, tres bon :fish: :pirate:

[snowbird]

The cowl hood works two different ways for heat extraction, based on experiences of gdmjoe. Sitting still, heat from the engine compartment comes out of the cowl. In motion, cool air from outside is forced into the cowl.
...


That would be great. Sitting still at a red light, we need good and quick heat extraction; on the move, ingesting fresh air at the rear of the engine known for weak coolant motion is also a good feature ...

[CanadaMarauder]

I think this is what Killoy and Magindat are talking about...cowl all the way across....15 min. Photocrap..sorry kinda hacked together quickhttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r126/jfriberg/blackhood2.jpg

[snowbird]

Wow ! This is a very similar design as the one posted earlier today by Powersurge with a little lower cowl. I must admit I prefer this one a bit more because it is less agressive. Either way, look like consensus is finally building up ... Great ! :)

[magindat]

Yep, that's it. It's only about 1/2" lower than Sal's.

[Raudermaster]

Why do we need such a WIDE cowl????

[magindat]

Why do we need such a WIDE cowl????

Um, why do we need a cowl at all?!

The wide one just follows the existing body lines.

[Bowman9]

Just have a stock style fiberglass hood produced.
That way anyone can have it modified to their own taste with whatever size cowl or scoops they would like to add to it.

[juno]

Just have a stock style fiberglass hood produced.
That way anyone can have it modified to their own taste with whatever size cowl or scoops they would like to add to it.

Good idea!

[Power Surge]

Just have a stock style fiberglass hood produced.
That way anyone can have it modified to their own taste with whatever size cowl or scoops they would like to add to it.

I doubt the average guy is going to spend $500-$600 on a limited production glass hood, another $150-$200 on a scoop, and then another $300-$500 do have a body guy graft it in and paint it.

Just my 2 cents.

[Skilz10179]

I think this is what Killoy and Magindat are talking about...cowl all the way across....15 min. Photocrap..sorry kinda hacked together quickhttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r126/jfriberg/blackhood2.jpg

That looks pretty good. The one in the other thread is just too tall and goofy looking.


Why do we need such a WIDE cowl????

Just to follow the factory lines of the hood.


Just have a stock style fiberglass hood produced.

Thats what I originally wanted, just a OEM looking hood that was about 30 lbs lighter that stock but to gather enough interest for a hood to be made it appears that it will have to have some bling as well.


I doubt the average guy is going to spend $500-$600 on a limited production glass hood

If things go according to the plans laid out in this post, this will not be a limited production hood. After the initial 20, this hood will still be available to anyone who wants one in the future.

[fesifisky]

I have barely posted on these forums but read a lot and have gone through this thread as well as the one this one spawned from. I've got an 03 and plan on modding it somewhat heavily down the road and would want a functional hood, saving a few pounds is just a benefit but the clearance and heat extraction would be ideal. It seems at this point the place just needs a hood. If there's anyone who's marauder is non-essential to them for awhile as in, the person has other transportation needs, would any of them offer up their factor hoods, or even cut factory hoods to the place to make up the mold and have the donor be the first recipient of the new hood? just an idea. My biggest issue would be that I'm highly interested in this but won't have spare money for the hood until at least fall or winter when the car goes into storage, so while I'm not sure I'd be available to put in for an initial run, if it worked out, would absolutely sign up for one later in the year or early next year if the mold is kept. If it's decided to be kept beyond an initial run, which I completely understand.
Again, just an idea. Thanks everyone for having so much great info for my car.

[juno]

The problem is that no one can agree on a hood, but a lightweight stock hood may get enough buyers. Some people may just want to reduce weight.
While I like the raised cowl idea, if I could get a stock fiberglass hood I would spend a few dollars to have some vents put in. For my application the vents would be cheap.
Like I have said, I am interested in only heat extraction.
But I think we could get enough buyers to go with stock fiberglass. Then maybe the cost would be low enough after the initial run for some other shapes of hoods to be developed.



I doubt the average guy is going to spend $500-$600 on a limited production glass hood, another $150-$200 on a scoop, and then another $300-$500 do have a body guy graft it in and paint it.

Just my 2 cents.

[TooManyFords]

The problem is that no one can agree on a hood, but a lightweight stock hood may get enough buyers. Some people may just want to reduce weight.
While I like the raised cowl idea, if I could get a stock fiberglass hood I would spend a few dollars to have some vents put in. For my application the vents would be cheap.
Like I have said, I am interested in only heat extraction.
But I think we could get enough buyers to go with stock fiberglass. Then maybe the cost would be low enough after the initial run for some other shapes of hoods to be developed.

Exactly. Get the stock hood, get whatever cowl or vent add-on and then take them to your bodyshop to be attached, prepped, primed and painted.

We will never get more than 5 people to agree on any one style. It's personal preference to be relatively unique. Fiberglass add-ons will make this project happen.

John

[magindat]

Exactly. Get the stock hood, get whatever cowl or vent add-on and then take them to your bodyshop to be attached, prepped, primed and painted.

We will never get more than 5 people to agree on any one style. It's personal preference to be relatively unique. Fiberglass add-ons will make this project happen.

John

Just the same. A stock hood will wane interest. I have absolutely no use for a stock repro hood. You are correct that it'll be lucky to get more than 5 or so to agree.

[BK_GrandMarquis]

Is this dead again?