AeroForce OBDII Gauge

[QWK SVT]

I picked up an AeroForce OBDII Gauge for the Lighting from a supporting vendor on a Lightning message board. For those not familiar with this tool, it can basically monitor anything that the on-board computer can see, including:
RPM
MPH
Intake Air Temperature
Intake Air Temperature 2 (charge air temp)
Mass Air Flow Sensor Voltage
Mass Air Flow Sensor (lb/min.)
Engine Coolant Temperature
Injector Pulse Width (bank 1 and 2 if supported)
Long Term Fuel Trim (bank 1 and 2 if supported)
Short Term Fuel Trim (bank 1 and 2 if supported)
O2 Sensor Voltage (bank 1 and 2 if supported)
Manifold Pressure in PSI (Boost pressure for factory turbo/supercharger applications)
Ignition Advance
Knock Retard
Engine Run Time
Battery Voltage
Transmission Temperature (Automatics)
Idle air Control Counts
Throttle Position Percentage
Throttle Position Voltage
Engine Load
Fuel Pump Duty Cycle
Oil pressure (8 cylinder engines)
Horsepower
0-60, 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile
Instantaneous fuel economy
2 analog inputs

Due to the cold & rainy weather, I haven't put it in the truck. Since it was lying around and I'm driving the Marauder anyway, I figured I'd put it in the car, and see how it works. Installation is a snap, since the gauge simply plugs into the OBD port under the dash. Best of all, it works perfectly! Here's a picture of the gauge (it's not mounted - I just put it there for the picture). I've mostly been monitoring engine temp and trans temp (as seen here), but the other functions all seem to work as expected, too.
http://www.qwksvt.com/Lightning_Files/Gauge/OBDMarauder.jpg


I'm working with the vendor to create a custom startup screen for the Marauder, similar to this one for the Lightning:
http://www.qwksvt.com/Lightning_Files/Gauge/OBDStartup.jpg


I'm thinking "Marauder" in the same font as the gauge cluster, with the screen either red or green (again matching the gauge cluster). What does everyone here think would look best?

[sabtaj1]

That is sweet. I didnt know they even made a gauge like that. I checked it out on a website. That gauge is awsome. That would be very cool if he could do up the marauder logo. I would say group buy but hes not a vender I take it. Well I am glad I didnt buy a trans temp gauge. Thatll do just fine for me.

[RUSTY]

What does something like that go for $

[fastblackmerc]

Nice gauge, but I'd think you'd be taking your eyes off the road too long to check out the readouts.

[QWK SVT]

He's not a supporting vendor here, so I don't know if a group buy is possible, or if I can quote prices. If you search ebay for aeroforce, it'll pop up.

As mentioned, I'm working with the dealer on getting a custom startup screen, which would be cool!

fastblackmerc - it's all a matter of placement. I have a handful of gauges in my truck, and don't need to take my eyes off the road to use them. I'd like to do something with this gauge above the dash line, so that there would be no need to look down, but I don't know if that's possible.

[snowbird]

Interesting device and good find.

I see 2 knobs and, in your example, 2 readings of temps. Am I understanding correctly that you can choose to monitor any 2 different ones of your choice ?

If so, and if it keep them in memory until you play again with the knobs, that would be nice (I wouldn't want to tickle them 5-10 times each on each startup !).

As for the startup color scheme, I would probably favor green to go with the rest of the gauges.

[magindat]

I have been working with Todd at Aeroforce for about 3 months. SVT, you must be the Lightning he keeps mentioning. I have a 2 guage setup and the Marauder logo is in! I will post pictures and videos IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!

Todd has talked a bit about becoming a vendor here. Reinhart has also expressed an interest in carrying the Ford family of Aeroforce Interceptor Guages!!! The gauges are nearly finished for Marauder. Just one or two tweaks left!

[Hotrauder]

Knew that was the one, Rich. Nice work on your part and thanks to QWK SVT. In time everyone knows all:) Wondered where we were on this project. Dennis

[magindat]

I replaced both stock gauges with these. I used one of 4 (2 per guage) analog inputs to add an oil pressure sensor. The sender was supplied by Aeroforce and was a very simple install. I will be using another analog input for the wideband O2 when my headers go on!

Some of you may remember seeing this and me testing this at the SSM picnic. It's finally ready!!!

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00099.jpg

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00096.jpg

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00095.jpg

[magindat]

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00093.jpg

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00092.jpg

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00091.jpg

[magindat]

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00089.avi

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00090.avi

http://www.magindat.net/Interceptor/pic00100.avi

[magindat]

Please don't poo-poo this thread. This product is in development and I had not posted yet due to Todd@Aeroforce hving not signed up as a vendor and having waited for Dennis to possibly take on the product. Dennis said this weekend he'd order a set for his own testing and Todd has expressed interest in joining as a vendor.

I hope this AWESOME product can be brought into our community. It perfectly fills the gap for many.

[Zack]

Tell the vendor its already been done with a Godshead.
Mac has the first gauge ever made. He waited 2 years for it. They are absolutely awesome.

[magindat]

I have also tested the Marauder application on a boosted car and find that the Manifold Absolute Pressure does indeed read boost. These 2 gauges could replace or avoid the massive cluster of gauges many have about their car.

Personally, I monitor:
Oil Pressure and Trans temp on the left.
Intake Air Temperature and Manifold Absolute Pressure on the right.

Sorry my pics suck. It's a cheap camera! I hope they are clear enough to get the idea! The startup logo is a God's head!!!!

[magindat]

Tell the vendor its already been done with a Godshead.
Mac has the first gauge ever made. He waited 2 years for it. They are absolutely awesome.

Actually, I had one before Mac. I was testing on mine and other Marauders at the SSM picnic in February. I actually provided the GH logo for the meter. I've just been real quiet 'till the vendor thing sorted itself out.

These things really rock, though!!!

[Zack]

Actually, I had one before Mac. I was testing on mine and other Marauders at the SSM picnic in February. I actually provided the GH logo for the meter. I've just been real quiet 'till the vendor thing sorted itself out.

These things really rock, though!!!


Imagine Dat???? :D

[magindat]

Knew that was the one, Rich. Nice work on your part and thanks to QWK SVT. In time everyone knows all:) Wondered where we were on this project. Dennis

Thanx, Dennis. They work super. The analog inputs work perfectly, so I believe you can add the OP and O2 just like I will.

If you look on Todd's website, you will see that he has gauges in many color combos. I pushed him toward the green/black for us cuz it matches the interior and existing stuff int he dash. I don't know, but it may be possible to mix/match the alternate white background with the other color readouts of blue, red or green.

Thanx to those who let me experiment on their cars at the SSM picnic.

[MM03MOK]

I have been working with Todd at Aeroforce for about 3 months. SVT, you must be the Lightning he keeps mentioning. I have a 2 guage setup and the Marauder logo is in! I will post pictures and videos IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!

Todd has talked a bit about becoming a vendor here. Reinhart has also expressed an interest in carrying the Ford family of Aeroforce Interceptor Guages!!! The gauges are nearly finished for Marauder. Just one or two tweaks left!
All good stuff, Rich. Thanks for being an incubator.

[sabtaj1]

Hope I can get one soon. Wont need to get other gauges now. Cant wait. Thank you for showing us this gauge. I am sure alot of people will jump on board for this item.

[merc]

Hope I can get one soon. Wont need to get other gauges now. Cant wait. Thank you for showing us this gauge. I am sure alot of people will jump on board for this item.

I already did. :banana2:

[magindat]

I already did. :banana2:

Test your MAF counts function. PM me. Please.

[magindat]

Nice gauge, but I'd think you'd be taking your eyes off the road too long to check out the readouts.

Actually, Jim, in the stock positions, the number are big and easy to read. It takes only a quick glance. If you pillar mounted, they'd be clearer that analog IMO.

[magindat]

Interesting device and good find.

I see 2 knobs and, in your example, 2 readings of temps. Am I understanding correctly that you can choose to monitor any 2 different ones of your choice ?

If so, and if it keep them in memory until you play again with the knobs, that would be nice (I wouldn't want to tickle them 5-10 times each on each startup !).

As for the startup color scheme, I would probably favor green to go with the rest of the gauges.

Yes, there are two buttons and you monitor any two of SVT's listed choices at once. The left button scrolls through functions on the top. Right for the bottom, both for menu, left for choose, right for select. The menu offers performance (0-60 1/8, 1/4) and multiplyer functions to be set depending on your mods as well as the dimmer, recorder, etc. It DOES have a record function which records the two displayed functions for like 10 minutes or until you stop it. I have tested/used the record function to help Todd with development.

As you can see in the pics, the Marauder gauge is black BG with green readout.

[sabtaj1]

So where and when do you think I would be able to purchase one with the marauder logo? or two with the splitter cable.

[magindat]

So where and when do you think I would be able to purchase one with the marauder logo? or two with the splitter cable.

I'm workin on it, bro....

[pantheroc]

Is it stand alone meter or is there some kinda remote interface box with cpu/inputs etc? It may be premature to ask, but is there a picture available of all components?

[Zack]

The gauges come with a Cat5 cable and an OBD2 connector. There are analog inputs on the back side for things such as widebands.
It is the most advanced, simplest gauge available.

[magindat]

Is it stand alone meter or is there some kinda remote interface box with cpu/inputs etc? It may be premature to ask, but is there a picture available of all components?


The gauges come with a Cat5 cable and an OBD2 connector. There are analog inputs on the back side for things such as widebands.
It is the most advanced, simplest gauge available.

There's really not much to it. There's an OBD2 connector with a 4 conductor (not Cat5) cable that has a mini molex plug to go into the back of the gauge. Then, there's an optional 2 conductor cable that plugs into the back of the gauge for the 2 0-5v analog inputs.

If you get the 2 gauge setup, there's simply 2 4-conductor cables coming from the OBD2 connector and EACH gauge will have the 2 conductor input harness for 0-5v analog inputs for a total of 4 available inputs.

It's as simple as plugging in an Xcal2 or a Predator.

And Zack is right, it is super simple and way advanced!

[sabtaj1]

Awsome. Me likey! Let me know when I can get hooked up. Thanks.

[magindat]

Is it stand alone meter or is there some kinda remote interface box with cpu/inputs etc? It may be premature to ask, but is there a picture available of all components?

They are really quite ingenious. The gauge houses 2 circuit boards. The upper or front one houses the display while the lower or back one is the OBD interface. This would seem to allow any color display to be placed atop any OBD (GM/FORD) board and assembled. So, to answer your question, the would-be remote box is actually housed INSIDE the meter housing. Impressively, the housing is only roughly 1.5" deep which left a TON of room in the stock gauge pod.
For what it does, it is EXTREMELY compact and seems to use discreet surface mount components and double-sided boards to get it all done.

[QWK SVT]

I have been working with Todd at Aeroforce for about 3 months. SVT, you must be the Lightning he keeps mentioning. I have a 2 guage setup and the Marauder logo is in! I will post pictures and videos IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!

Todd has talked a bit about becoming a vendor here. Reinhart has also expressed an interest in carrying the Ford family of Aeroforce Interceptor Guages!!! The gauges are nearly finished for Marauder. Just one or two tweaks left!

Yep - that'd be me! I just recieved some jpegs of the Godshead - looks great! I was going to try to get the screen to pop up with the MARAUDER logo, but it just doesn't fit well on the screen. Hope you don't mind, but I'm going to grab one with the the God's head on it - it look's very :cool:

One thing - the HP calculation for the Lighting gauge has been tweaked, to be more accurate for the truck. As such, I never tried using that function in my MM. Have you used this feature on your MM? If so, did it seem reasonably accurate? 0-60 definitely seems good-to-go... One day I'll line up the gauge and my Beltronics VectorFX2, to see how close they are...

[magindat]

Yep - that'd be me! I just recieved some jpegs of the Godshead - looks great! I was going to try to get the screen to pop up with the MARAUDER logo, but it just doesn't fit well on the screen. Hope you don't mind, but I'm going to grab one with the the God's head on it - it look's very :cool:

One thing - the HP calculation for the Lighting gauge has been tweaked, to be more accurate for the truck. As such, I never tried using that function in my MM. Have you used this feature on your MM? If so, did it seem reasonably accurate? 0-60 definitely seems good-to-go... One day I'll line up the gauge and my Beltronics VectorFX2, to see how close they are...

Yep, I figured and put in my multiplier based on a tune from DR where I dyno'd and Steve at DR's calculated my crank HP. After I entered that multiplier, the MPG and HP seem right on the money.

I also tested it on a stock marauder at the picnic and his multiplier was different. His was like 1.25 and mine is like 1.42.

Mind?! Hell no! I'm pushing everyone involved to get these things available to the members!

There are two tweaks left that Todd is working on. 1st, the MAF counts don't read constant. They flip on and off about every 10 data cycle reads. 2nd, the 2nd gauge loses the PIDs from time to time and won't power on. A 1 gauge setup works great, though besides the MAF counts. Does the Lightning gauge read MAF counts well on the Lightning? What about on the Marauder?

Todd says he'll start making these available after he figures those 2 things out.

[sabtaj1]

GOOD, As for I am stil waiting patiently. Thanks for the update

[QWK SVT]

Yep, I figured and put in my multiplier based on a tune from DR where I dyno'd and Steve at DR's calculated my crank HP. After I entered that multiplier, the MPG and HP seem right on the money.

I also tested it on a stock marauder at the picnic and his multiplier was different. His was like 1.25 and mine is like 1.42.

Mind?! Hell no! I'm pushing everyone involved to get these things available to the members!

There are two tweaks left that Todd is working on. 1st, the MAF counts don't read constant. They flip on and off about every 10 data cycle reads. 2nd, the 2nd gauge loses the PIDs from time to time and won't power on. A 1 gauge setup works great, though besides the MAF counts. Does the Lightning gauge read MAF counts well on the Lightning? What about on the Marauder?

Todd says he'll start making these available after he figures those 2 things out.

To get the multiplier right, I used the mpg function. I filled up the tank, turning on the instant mpg and drove. When I filled up again, I calculated the mpg, and corrected for it. My multiplier is for a Lightning gauge, so it would be way off for anyone else, but .74 seems to work...


With the weather still poor here, I have used the gauge in my Marauder more than my Lightning. Enough so that I've decided I cannot live without one for the car. With limited seat time, I haven't tried the MAF counts on the Lightning - I was pegging the MAF before, so I have a MAFia (MAF extender) installed... Honestly, I'm not sure what would be normal/accurate readings, as a result.

I'm not sure what you mean by don't read constant? I think you mean that every once and a while, the PID is unreadable... Is that correct? I put the gauge on to MAF counts, and noticed nothing abnormal. I then cycled the car on/off about 20 times (lots of running around to do, so it's not like it was all just in my driveway), without issue. Compared to results from previous data logging with an XCal2, the values all seems in line...

Tell me how I can help, and I'll do what I can.

[magindat]

To get the multiplier right, I used the mpg function. I filled up the tank, turning on the instant mpg and drove. When I filled up again, I calculated the mpg, and corrected for it. My multiplier is for a Lightning gauge, so it would be way off for anyone else, but .74 seems to work...


With the weather still poor here, I have used the gauge in my Marauder more than my Lightning. Enough so that I've decided I cannot live without one for the car. With limited seat time, I haven't tried the MAF counts on the Lightning - I was pegging the MAF before, so I have a MAFia (MAF extender) installed... Honestly, I'm not sure what would be normal/accurate readings, as a result.

I'm not sure what you mean by don't read constant? I think you mean that every once and a while, the PID is unreadable... Is that correct? I put the gauge on to MAF counts, and noticed nothing abnormal. I then cycled the car on/off about 20 times (lots of running around to do, so it's not like it was all just in my driveway), without issue. Compared to results from previous data logging with an XCal2, the values all seems in line...

Tell me how I can help, and I'll do what I can.

I sorta did the same with the multiplyer but used MPG as verification since I figured I had a correct HP at my disposal.

The MAFia shouldn't throw the numbers off at all since it translates a pegged MAF into a non-pegged signal.

I did the same with comparing values to XCal2 to verify readings for Todd.

The data-rate setting sets how often the gauge 'samples' the data from the computer. 1 is very fast and 6 is pretty slow. You can see this 'rate' in how fast a particular reading refreshes, especially a reading that changes quickly, like MAP. If you put MAP on top ond MAF counts on bottom and record, when I play back I see the MAP change while MAFC is 0, then next reading, MAFC 0, etc. About every 10 readings, a MAFC number pops up. If I'm running along and watching the gauge. MAFC stays on 0 and pops a number periodically. By recording I found this 'period' to be about every 10 data samples.

What say you about his in the Lightning? How bout the MM?

I'm going to refer Todd to this thread for more info for his troubleshooting.

Thanx

Rich

[Master]

Hey, make a dash-top housing for these gauges, add a mirror and they can be "projected" on the windshied in a heads-up format. I did it back in the 80s (remember them?) with a trio or eqqus gauges. Worked extremely well. Anyone care to try developing such a beast to go with these most-excellent-gauges?

[magindat]

Hey, make a dash-top housing for these gauges, add a mirror and they can be "projected" on the windshied in a heads-up format. I did it back in the 80s (remember them?) with a trio or eqqus gauges. Worked extremely well. Anyone care to try developing such a beast to go with these most-excellent-gauges?

I'd bet Todd could make them read in reverse....

One thing at a time, baby!

[Loco1234]

Guys this is sounding great...
I like HUD idea but not crafty enough to make that happen...

so unless anyone else is gonna delop thiem into a HUD setup I think Im gonna invest into a drivers side pillar (2-pod) setup...

Really like idea of having Marauder spefic startup screen...!

[QWK SVT]

I sorta did the same with the multiplyer but used MPG as verification since I figured I had a correct HP at my disposal.

The MAFia shouldn't throw the numbers off at all since it translates a pegged MAF into a non-pegged signal.
True, but since putting the MAFia on the L, I haven't datalogged. I'd have no baseline to compare against, until I can log some seat time. I know I'm well under the cap, so I'm fine, even in cold weather.



The data-rate setting sets how often the gauge 'samples' the data from the computer. 1 is very fast and 6 is pretty slow. You can see this 'rate' in how fast a particular reading refreshes, especially a reading that changes quickly, like MAP. If you put MAP on top ond MAF counts on bottom and record, when I play back I see the MAP change while MAFC is 0, then next reading, MAFC 0, etc. About every 10 readings, a MAFC number pops up. If I'm running along and watching the gauge. MAFC stays on 0 and pops a number periodically. By recording I found this 'period' to be about every 10 data samples.

What say you about his in the Lightning? How bout the MM?

Again, I really haven't had a chance to play with the gauge in the Lightning, due to weather. Won't get a chance until Saturday (assuming the weather man is correct).

For my gauge, the data rate was set to 3, out of the box and I haven't changed it one way, or the other. I have never noticed a 0 (zero) pop up on screen with the MAF Counts (or any others where it would not be expected), but will try this out. Strange - I mean the computer in the Lightning and Marauder are the same (obviously different programs on each, but the brain is the same)... You'd think if it works for one, it would work for the other.

I actually have to go out for a bit later tonight (after 24 is over). While at it, I will do the following:
MAP up top, MAF Counts down bellow, data rate set to 1. I'll record, and play back to see what / if anything occurs. Short notice, I know, but if there's anything else let me know...

[QWK SVT]

I don't know what to say... I performed the test as I outlined, and didn't experience any issues. I noticed that there was a strong likelihood that the number from one sample to the next did not change every sample interval (e.g. MAFC would be 524, then 524, then 530, then 530), but otherwise all seemed in order.

Further testing of the Lightning gauge in the Marauder has led me to beleive that there is something different in the HP / MPG calculations. If one is correct, the other seems waaaay off, for the Marauder. For example, for me to obtain correct MPG readings, the HP readings seem to be about 50-60% lower than what I beleive to be accurate... It sounds like yours is working correctly for both variables, though, right?

[magindat]

I don't know what to say... I performed the test as I outlined, and didn't experience any issues. I noticed that there was a strong likelihood that the number from one sample to the next did not change every sample interval (e.g. MAFC would be 524, then 524, then 530, then 530), but otherwise all seemed in order.

Mine would go like 144,0,0,0,0,0,0,146,0,0,0,240, 0,0,0,0,0,145,0,0,144. Of course, the 240 would be at about 3/4 throttle. Hmmm. Hopefully Todd can read our discussion here and know the answer!!!!


Further testing of the Lightning gauge in the Marauder has led me to beleive that there is something different in the HP / MPG calculations. If one is correct, the other seems waaaay off, for the Marauder. For example, for me to obtain correct MPG readings, the HP readings seem to be about 50-60% lower than what I beleive to be accurate... It sounds like yours is working correctly for both variables, though, right?

Thanks for doing the test. I'm definately gonna send Todd to this thread.

I believe the multipier will be vastly different from NA to supercharged. Not sure why, I just think that's the difference in a below 1 multiplier or an above 1. Again, I found stock to need about 1.25 and my MM to need about 1.45. I'm sure it has much to do with the tune, as well!

[QWK SVT]

Mine would go like 144,0,0,0,0,0,0,146,0,0,0,240, 0,0,0,0,0,145,0,0,144. Of course, the 240 would be at about 3/4 throttle. Hmmm. Hopefully Todd can read our discussion here and know the answer!!!!

Thanks for doing the test. I'm definately gonna send Todd to this thread.


Never did I get ANY zeros, so hopefully that will help, somehow. If there's anything else I can do, or test, just let me know. I want an Aeroforce gauge to work perfectly for the MM as bad as you do :D



I believe the multipier will be vastly different from NA to supercharged. Not sure why, I just think that's the difference in a below 1 multiplier or an above 1. Again, I found stock to need about 1.25 and my MM to need about 1.45. I'm sure it has much to do with the tune, as well!

Yeah... HP works out to about a 0.75 correction. For the mpg to be accurate, I have to use a multiplier of around 0.35. Doing that, the horsepower then reads around 90HP. I know I don't have a I4 between the fenderwells, so that's not right :eek:

[JonW]

I want. I want! I'll be watching this thread for updates.

[shami02]

There was a GB on a 'stang site a little while ago and these sold for about $230.... When can we get the MM specific one and is there going to be a GB price? If no GB price about what will this puppy cost? I would really like one. I lke the non clutter of having all that info in such a small footprint..

regards,
Mike
Waitin on my Trilogy.....:burnout:

[magindat]

Yeah... HP works out to about a 0.75 correction. For the mpg to be accurate, I have to use a multiplier of around 0.35. Doing that, the horsepower then reads around 90HP. I know I don't have a I4 between the fenderwells, so that's not right :eek:

Now THAT's probably caused by the MAFia. My HP and mileage are both fairly accurate on a 1.45 multiplier.

[magindat]

Talked to Todd today via email. He said the MAF counts are worked out!

[JonW]

Cool. When can I buy a 2-pack with splitter? White faces, white and black LEDs, silver bezels?

[magindat]

Cool. When can I buy a 2-pack with splitter? White faces, white and black LEDs, silver bezels?

I'm working with Todd on pricing and the 'powers that be' on permission to do a 'Hobby' Group Buy this one time.

I hope to have specifics soon.

My plan is to try to focus on truly custom combinations rather than super-low pricing for the first buy. Therefore the 'first' would have truly unique set-ups. I believe that the pride in ownership of truly custom and being of the first will last much longer than a small price break.

The idea under discussion with all involved is that I hope to be able to offer this one time 'Hobby' buy as stated above and then Dennis Reinhart become a dealer for Aeroforce.

As of now, Aeroforce only does 1 color choice for Marauder.

I hesitate to post all of this, but I will trust in the group's commradery and patience in allowing me to bring this to fruition. I'm still working with Todd as to what he's willing to do for us.

So far, I do know the minimum will be 5 takers for singles and 5 takers for doubles with an extra very small price break if we can get 10.

I also know that the doubles setup still has a quirk in which it requires a periodic 'reboot'. Occasionally, (once in 10-20 starts?) gauge 2 will not power up and you have to pull the OBD connector for a moment and re-plug it in. It's just unplug, wait 3 min and re-plug. That's the last thing Todd is working on. He does NOT want to release duals until this is fixed, but may if there is still enough interest and folks don't see it as a problem. I don't.

Stay tuned. I think it'll be worth it!

[sabtaj1]

Gonna be worth the wait I see. Thanks. Keep us posted. I am glad to see this thread didnt just die like most.

[JonW]

Thanks for the update! I'll be patiently waiting. I agree, a truly custom product is worth more than a small price break.

I'd rather have the reboot problem solved before I buy. Little things like that tend to annoy me.

[Master]

I'd also like to have the reboot problem taken care of. Would really like the double. These could be mounted in an a-pillar pod, yes?

[magindat]

Gonna be worth the wait I see. Thanks. Keep us posted. I am glad to see this thread didnt just die like most.


Thanks for the update! I'll be patiently waiting. I agree, a truly custom product is worth more than a small price break.

I'd rather have the reboot problem solved before I buy. Little things like that tend to annoy me.


I'd also like to have the reboot problem taken care of. Would really like the double. These could be mounted in an a-pillar pod, yes?

Thanx for the support, guys. I'll keep developments posted. I'm really glad you agree on the custom thing.

I'll obviously continue to work with Todd 'till it's right. He has been super-excellent to work with and has seemed to take a genuine interest and seems excited about getting these done for us. I'll again refer him to this thread. The rising interest will be inspiring, I'm sure.

They can certainly be mounted in an A-pillar and I do believe there is plenty of attached cable to do so. Additionally, they are more shallow and lighter than most gauges and should be very easy to work with in regard to mounting. Take note that wherever you mount, it needs to be solid enough for you to firmly push the buttons on the gauges to change functions.

Thanx again. I'm really stoked to see the interest!!!

[magindat]

More research:

We see that if one is using a MAFia to correct/adjust MAF readings, either the mileage will be right or the HP will be right, but not both. Choose your poison.

[magindat]

I'd also like to have the reboot problem taken care of. Would really like the double. These could be mounted in an a-pillar pod, yes?

I could not find and unfortunately didn't have my camera to take photos of the depth of the gauge. However, I did locate this photo where you can sort of tell the depth. It is approximately 1.5" deep plus about 1/2" long mounting studs x2.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/gauges.jpg

Hope this helps.

BTW. Standard config for the Marauder is black bezel, black face, green display. Also the logo is not the checkered flag, it simply says 'Aeroforce' in white.

I did note that the face color is a thin plastic overlay. I have had the idea to make a custom overlay and I have an extra (if I can find it) if someone feels up to the task of making a custom overlay for us. I haven't had the time to invest. You'd not only have to print it, but also poke the correct size holes for the shift lights, buttons and display. Todd would definately not include this, but the bezel is easily removed to replace or stack another thin overlay. PM me or reply here and I'll try to find the one I have and send it.

Here's a pic:http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/PIC00035.JPG (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/../showcase/files/3/5/4/8/PIC00035.JPG)

I left it huge to see detail even though my camera sux close-up. This pic shows bezel, glass, and overlay off and gauge guts above.

[JonW]

What's a MAFia?

[magindat]

What's a MAFia?

Not to be a smart azz, but you'd know if you were using one. Don't sweat it. But if you'd like to learn more, go to Diablosport's web site.

[sabtaj1]

That face change is a good idea and looks like it would be pretty easy to do. Also, I saw you mentioned the bezel would be black. Is it possible to get it with a silver bezel so it somewhat matches the original gauges in the marauder? If not its no big deal. Once I am able to order a gauge I may try to make a new face like you mentioned.

[magindat]

That face change is a good idea and looks like it would be pretty easy to do. Also, I saw you mentioned the bezel would be black. Is it possible to get it with a silver bezel so it somewhat matches the original gauges in the marauder? If not its no big deal. Once I am able to order a gauge I may try to make a new face like you mentioned.

If you want, you could work on it now. I can send you the face I have if I can find it.

[sabtaj1]

If you want, you could work on it now. I can send you the face I have if I can find it.

Pm Sent! I will see what I can do!

[MCAT]

I would be interested in a double..

[QWK SVT]

BTW. Standard config for the Marauder is black bezel, black face, green display. Also the logo is not the checkered flag, it simply says 'Aeroforce' in white.

I did note that the face color is a thin plastic overlay. I have had the idea to make a custom overlay and I have an extra (if I can find it) if someone feels up to the task of making a custom overlay for us. I haven't had the time to invest. You'd not only have to print it, but also poke the correct size holes for the shift lights, buttons and display. Todd would definately not include this, but the bezel is easily removed to replace or stack another thin overlay. PM me or reply here and I'll try to find the one I have and send it.

Here's a pic:http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/PIC00035.JPG (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/../showcase/files/3/5/4/8/PIC00035.JPG)

I left it huge to see detail even though my camera sux close-up. This pic shows bezel, glass, and overlay off and gauge guts above.

Great minds think alike! :coolman:

My plan is pretty simple, really:

Remember those clunky overhead projectors used back in school? Well, they sucked, but the plastic transparency paper they used are perfect. Design a nice overlay, use a quality color printer cut out the design and your off to the races! The only thing holding me back - I'm too chicken to force the bezel off. How did you do it? Mine doesn't seem to just pull off.

[sabtaj1]

I was planning on just making a whole new face, I have a friend with a vynal machine and was gonna try doing graphics on that first but we shall see.

[QWK SVT]

Here's a quick mock up of what I'm planning for mine:

http://www.qwksvt.com/Lightning_Files/Gauge/OBDMarauder_Custom_Face.jpg

Once I actually get the gauge apart, I will measure to get the placement a little more exact. I wouldn't mind enlarging the God's Head a little more, but don't think it'll be possible without the MARAUDER being in the way of / cut off by the screen.

Thoughts, anyone...

[Peter]

I like the idea how about:
http://www.geocities.com/blackstallionmarauder/OBDMarauder_Custom_Face2.jpg


http://www.geocities.com/blackstallionmarauder/OBDMarauder_Custom_Face1.jpg

[QWK SVT]

My mock up was not to scale. I can't get exact measurements until I remove the bezel, so it's really just for a visual representation of my idea, which I think may not work out. Since I plan to remove one of the stock gauges and put this in there, I'm probably also going to opt for a light face to match the stocker.

Based on the gauge's design, there is no real opportunity to put anything above the screen - the space is too limited and the 2 LEDs are there, too. Below the screen is the best space. The Marauder text, or the God's head will fit for sure but both may be a stretch... Remember, the gauge is less that 2 inches on the inside of the bezel:

http://www.qwksvt.com/Lightning_Files/Gauge/OBDStartup.jpg

[magindat]

Getting the bezel off is easy. There's a tiny 'split' in the bezel bleow the logo which is bent in on both edges. Carefully pry them out with a needle nose or rubber headed tweezers and then twist and pull. The bezel is a snug fit finished off by the split and bend to 'lock' it. If you look really close in the pic linked above you can see the slight tweakage of the outer rim where the bends are.

I think your tranparency idea is phenominal. Further than being easy, similar material, and the right thickness, you would not have to punch the holes for the shift lights, just leave the cicles clear! You could even just leave the display square clear and only have to punch for the buttons!

I haven't heard from Todd in a couple days, but usually when that happens, the next I hear is another advance in development!!!!

Of note, if ANYONE wants a ONE-GAUGE setup, PM me, I can get a GB for 5. I do, however, think duals are worth waiting for given our stock setup!

[forcefedjunkie]

Hello,

Just thought I'd answer a few questions posed here about these gauges. Earlier there was some discussion about the MAF counts parameter showing "0" every once in a while. This was an early "bug" that we took care of, it never made it to productions units. MAF counts will continually display the proper value at all times.

We're not selling dual units quite yet, we needed new hardware to prevent one of the duals from occasionally not turning on, which requires you to unplug the connector and plug it back in to reset. Apprarantly this does not happen very often but we can prevent it altogether with the new hardware.

Single gauges are available now if Rich wants to start a GB on them.

I like the replacement faces shown above by QWK SVT. If you guys want, I can wait (if he agrees) for these to be completed and provide him with a template to make them accurately. When the gauges are assembled I can substitute our standard face for these.

I think Rich was going to initiate a one time group buy. If this happens we can use the Marauder specific faces for this one time event. We'll call this a Marauder forum member customization, and not an Aeroforce option.

By the time the faces are done (if this happens) we'll have duals ready so the timing should work out well.

Todd
Aeroforce

[magindat]

Thanx, Todd. And welcome to the community... Finally!

Since many are anxious and a few have expressed immediate desire, I offer the following:

With Todd's and the management's permission, I'd like to open a Group Buy for the single gauges. This will be the one and only offering of these gauges in custom configs and I'll reserve permission to offer another initial GB for the duals when they are complete.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/gauges.jpg

You'll have your choice of:
Silver/Black bezel
White/black background
Red/blue/green/white LCD readout.

Details:
Price is $230. Minimum is 5 prepaid commitments. Less than 5 will be $239.
These will be single only and not expandable to duals due to the above-mentioned hardware change.
They WILL have the GH logo startup screen!
Shipping by USPS is included for the US. (all others, PM)
Payment is paypal to magindat@gmail.com preferred. (all others PM)

Reply on THIS THREAD with your order and preferences so it's all in one place. You Paypal payment will give me your address and don't forget to mention your screen name in the payment so I can reference!!!!

Duals will be ready, as Todd said, later and I'll do a custom 1 time only GB on those. If you miss out now, you'll be limited to the standard color schemes in the future (which are still cool!).

If you wonder about changing the background should QWK SVT or sabtaj1 come up with one, they are super-easy to change, so don't let that stop you.

Thanx to Todd and to the mamber ship and management. I've had a ball working with Todd on these and I'm super-excited they are now avaiable!

Rich

[Dr Caleb]

I'm all over that!

Since you mention these won't be the 'duals', did you mean that they won't show two readouts, or that two can't be 'chained' together? I'd really like to replace both dummies in the pod, and add a third with other analog functions if possible.

Dual displays would mean 6 readouts, and I don't have to add an A pillar pod.

[forcefedjunkie]

By a dual set I mean two gauges (each having 2 display fields) connected to the OBD2 port and using a special splitter cable that we provide. This would allow you to view 4 parameters at one time.

Todd


I'm all over that!

Since you mention these won't be the 'duals', did you mean that they won't show two readouts, or that two can't be 'chained' together? I'd really like to replace both dummies in the pod, and add a third with other analog functions if possible.

Dual displays would mean 6 readouts, and I don't have to add an A pillar pod.

[forcefedjunkie]

Per Rich's post I think it would be best to offer the gauges with our standard face, and allow you to customize them as you wish by using either of the two member's replacements. We will use what we call "interchangeable" bezels, meaning that you can remove them and access the face by lifting up two small tabs on the bottom of the bezel. Typically we crimpt the bezel on, and these are not removeable. Rich has the interchangeable type as he described.

Todd

[Master]

It would be great if they could be shipped with the bezel not crimped (shipped loose) so we don't get work hardening of the tabs from opening and closing again.

[magindat]

It would be great if they could be shipped with the bezel not crimped (shipped loose) so we don't get work hardening of the tabs from opening and closing again.

Not to worry. The crimp is 'shallow' and the bend is not creased. You'd have to tire out your wrist working the tabs!!!!!

[Loco1234]

You can count me in on the GB for the dual setup...
I would also like the the marauder custom bezel face and the Custom marauder startup screen.
I plan to install them into a dual a pillar pod...

1. can I use the analog function of one to watch Oil Temp. (1 analog signal)

2. and can I use the other to watch my 04 marauders dual O2 sensors (2 analog signals)

3. Will connecting these devices in anyway prevent my from viewing the data from OBDII port in any way or fashion....?

[magindat]

You can count me in on the GB for the dual setup...
I would also like the the marauder custom bezel face and the Custom marauder startup screen.
I plan to install them into a dual a pillar pod...

1. can I use the analog function of one to watch Oil Temp. (1 analog signal)

2. and can I use the other to watch my 04 marauders dual O2 sensors (2 analog signals)

3. Will connecting these devices in anyway prevent my from viewing the data from OBDII port in any way or fashion....?

1. Yes you can. The OP sender is $60 and requires about $5 of fittings to install. I can get the OP sender shipped with you gauge(s).

2. Won't do you much good on stock sensors. The reading fluctuates wildly and would mean next to nothing to watch. However, I plan to install a wide band with a controller for about $170 or so and that would interface the gauges correctly and provide meaningful data.

3. The gauges stay plugged into the port. That's how they get their data. The plug is simple press-fit, just like any other OBD interface. To get OBD data or to reflash ECU for a different tune or whatever, just unplug the gauges. Of course, if the gauges are reading the data and are plugged in, nothing else is. If you unplug the gauges, OBD is free to use in any other way. Think of using the gauges as a constant data log as with an Xcal or Predator.

[Loco1234]

1. Yes you can. The OP sender is $60 and requires about $5 of fittings to install. I can get the OP sender shipped with you gauge(s).

2. Won't do you much good on stock sensors. The reading fluctuates wildly and would mean next to nothing to watch. However, I plan to install a wide band with a controller for about $170 or so and that would interface the gauges correctly and provide meaningful data.

3. The gauges stay plugged into the port. That's how they get their data. The plug is simple press-fit, just like any other OBD interface. To get OBD data or to reflash ECU for a different tune or whatever, just unplug the gauges. Of course, if the gauges are reading the data and are plugged in, nothing else is. If you unplug the gauges, OBD is free to use in any other way. Think of using the gauges as a constant data log as with an Xcal or Predator.


2. My hopefully intent to have dual Wideband O2 sensor installed in addition to standard ford sensor's next month when I get a new 3" stainless steel exhaust system custom built....
therefor I'd like to cennct the O2 sensor to the gauges.... will a wideband controller be need to intefer the sensors to the gauges...? can the interface be provide as well...

3. Good to know but I should have been clearer.... will connecting these analog input devices to the gauges prevent the data from the OBDII port from being read.... if so is it something you can select or scroll through with the buttons...?

[sabtaj1]

I will be in like Flynn.

[magindat]

2. My hopefully intent to have dual Wideband O2 sensor installed in addition to standard ford sensor's next month when I get a new 3" stainless steel exhaust system custom built....
therefor I'd like to cennct the O2 sensor to the gauges.... will a wideband controller be need to intefer the sensors to the gauges...? can the interface be provide as well...

3. Good to know but I should have been clearer.... will connecting these analog input devices to the gauges prevent the data from the OBDII port from being read.... if so is it something you can select or scroll through with the buttons...?

2. You'd need 2 wide band )2's and two wide band controllers and each would use one for a total of 2 analog inputs out of 4 for the dual setup.

3. Analog inputs do not interfere with OBD readings. They're just 2 more choices in the menu (per gauge).

Notes: what you are wanting to do is way past overkill cost wise. Even tuners take your 1 bank O2 for dyno tuning. Wide band O2's put out an amperage, not a voltage signal. You need a controller on EACH wideband O2 to change the amperage to a 0-5v reading.

I intend to use this: http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php

Do some reading. It'll be helpful and save you some money.

[magindat]

One confirmed and paid. 4 to go.

1) shami02: Silver bezel, black face, green display.
2)
3)
4)
5)

These will ship when we have 5 or if we don't have 5 in a reasonable time frame, I'll close the GB and get the paid orders moving. They will be sent direct from Aeroforce via USPS and once the GB is ended should take about a week.

Come on now, let's not keep Mike waiting!

[KillJoy]

Please...correct me if I am wrong...

But, when racing down the strip, isn't this Gauge kind of small to see clearly???

KillJoy

[Loco1234]

2. You'd need 2 wide band )2's and two wide band controllers and each would use one for a total of 2 analog inputs out of 4 for the dual setup.

3. Analog inputs do not interfere with OBD readings. They're just 2 more choices in the menu (per gauge).

Notes: what you are wanting to do is way past overkill cost wise. Even tuners take your 1 bank O2 for dyno tuning. Wide band O2's put out an amperage, not a voltage signal. You need a controller on EACH wideband O2 to change the amperage to a 0-5v reading.

I intend to use this: http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php

Do some reading. It'll be helpful and save you some money.


AWH thank you for clearing some stuff up..

iI still intent to go with Dual Wideband O2 senor's... (Tim Allen Fan)
but I have another question... for the purposes of comparing actual O2 WHen trying to montiro bank to bank comparison having both singals at one would be nice.
...but if you were to install 2 widebacnd then connect an A-B switch could u use one controller to see one signal at a time then only input 1 to the gauge from the controller?
I do understand the A-B selector would atler total resistance in circuit but if you tuned the controller to the correct range...?

sorry if being a pain just curious becaust Im very interested in the setup and would like to see if I could use it in some of my final plans...

[JonW]

Just to make sure I'm clear, I will need a separate oil pressure sensor if I want the gauge to monitor oil pressure?

I'm in when you get the GB for the dual unit.

[MM03MOK]

Looks great Todd and Rich. Rich, as a contributing member, thanks for working with Todd and bringing this to the Membership for a test run for future sales.

[shami02]

One confirmed and paid. 4 to go.

1) sabtaj1: Silver bezel, black face, green display.
2)
3)
4)
5)

Come on now, let's not keep sabtaj1 waiting!
Hey Rich,
Dont forget my silver/black/green..... That is two come on folks let get this closed quickly I cannot wait... But I would wait a little longer for the Marauder faceplate mentioned above..... What is the delay if we do wait for it?

Mike (shami02)

[magindat]

If you want, you could work on it now. I can send you the face I have if I can find it.

I can't find it. Maybe Todd would like to send one. I'll let him chime in.

[magindat]

Please...correct me if I am wrong...

But, when racing down the strip, isn't this Gauge kind of small to see clearly???

KillJoy

Actually, Steve, I usually race at night. The numbers are clear and clean and just right size for easy reading. I put my most wanted parameter on the left gauge on top and I see it fine. In the right gauge, it's not quite as easy to read, so I put less important parameters there.

[magindat]

AWH thank you for clearing some stuff up..

iI still intent to go with Dual Wideband O2 senor's... (Tim Allen Fan)
but I have another question... for the purposes of comparing actual O2 WHen trying to montiro bank to bank comparison having both singals at one would be nice.
...but if you were to install 2 widebacnd then connect an A-B switch could u use one controller to see one signal at a time then only input 1 to the gauge from the controller?
I do understand the A-B selector would atler total resistance in circuit but if you tuned the controller to the correct range...?

sorry if being a pain just curious becaust Im very interested in the setup and would like to see if I could use it in some of my final plans...

After reading on the LC-1, I would say no. The LC1 requires itself be calibrated to the connected O2 sensor. You wouldn't be able to trust the readings.

[magindat]

Just to make sure I'm clear, I will need a separate oil pressure sensor if I want the gauge to monitor oil pressure?

I'm in when you get the GB for the dual unit.

Yes, That is correct. The sender is $60 + shipping. That's a straight pass-thru price, no profit anywhere.

[magindat]

One confirmed and paid. 4 to go.

1) shami02: Silver bezel, black face, green display.
2)
3)
4)
5)

These will ship when we have 5 or if we don't have 5 in a reasonable time frame, I'll close the GB and get the paid orders moving. They will be sent direct from Aeroforce via USPS and once the GB is ended should take about a week.

Come on now, let's not keep Mike waiting!


Hey Rich,
Dont forget my silver/black/green..... That is two come on folks let get this closed quickly I cannot wait... But I would wait a little longer for the Marauder faceplate mentioned above..... What is the delay if we do wait for it?

Mike (shami02)

1) shami02: Silver bezel, black face, green display. Confirmed - Paid
2)
3)
4)
5)

No delay for the Marauder face plate. If QwkSVT or sabtaj1 come up with one, it's easy to change. These singles will be shipped with the standard face plate.

4 left.

[magindat]

I will answer this PM publicly for the knowledge of all...


AeroForce gauges questions...
<hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->1) The analog inputs can be scaled to the proper units correct? It retains the scaling on power off?

2) What about vacuum/boost? The 3 bar sending unit is up to how much boost in PSI? I am looking for something up to about 10psi.

3) What does the analog input(s) have for a title on the gauge when they are selected? I have the LC-1 wideband controller already installed, and would also like to do fuel pressure and vac/boost.

4) Is the dimmer somthing that switches the gauges bewteen positive/negative backgrounds, or does it actually change the brightness? Is this a seperate wire (12vdc signal) for the dimmer or is it manual through the menus only?

5) I was going to go for the single group buy now, but figured I can sell my existing guages (Tach and Fuel pressure from Dakota Digital) and get the dual gauge version so that they match in the Marauder gauge pod.

6) I am interested once the dual version is released. I too would like to change the face to either blank black or something custom.

Great idea on this gauge. I've been watching and waiting for them to release it for Ford for about 1 1/2 years now.

Thanks!

Most of what you ask is in the manual here (http://www.aeroforcetech.com/files/Interceptor_USER_MANUAL_rev_1_ 5_version_2.pdf), along with some super pictures.

1) Yes. See the manual under Analog1. No they don't forget when powered off.

2) per google: <table><tbody><tr><td>http://www.google.com/images/calc_img.gif</td><td> </td><td nowrap="nowrap">1 bar = 14.5037738 pounds per square inch</td></tr></tbody></table>
3) Analog 1 and Analog 2. Todd may chime in for more info.

4) See the manual on Dimmer and Invert.

5) Cool. Please note: CV is not officially tested. It will likely work great, but be aware you are purchasing a MARAUDER tested gauge.

6) Again, the face should be easy to make. Also, unless or until Todd @ Aeroforce tests and confirms CV, you'd be getting a Marauder gauge with God's Head startup screen.

Thanx for the message. I hope posting your questions helps everyone.

[Loco1234]

After reading on the LC-1, I would say no. The LC1 requires itself be calibrated to the connected O2 sensor. You wouldn't be able to trust the readings.


thank you very much... I appreciate you letting me pick your mind and knowledge 4 a bit....

[Loco1234]

1. Is there anyway to have the dimmer (brightness of guage at night) adjust with the dash lighting....?

2. can it also be made to switch between night and day like the dash does...?

[magindat]

1. Is there anyway to have the dimmer (brightness of guage at night) adjust with the dash lighting....?

2. can it also be made to switch between night and day like the dash does...?

1) No. it gets power (+5v) from the OBD connector.

2) No. it is not in any way connected to the vehicle lighting system (+12v)

After having them for installed for about a month, now, I see no need for a dimmer. Actually, I prefer the brightness for ease of reading. It is not disctracting.

[Loco1234]

1) No. it gets power (+5v) from the OBD connector.

2) No. it is not in any way connected to the vehicle lighting system (+12v)

After having them for installed for about a month, now, I see no need for a dimmer. Actually, I prefer the brightness for ease of reading. It is not disctracting.


my only concern is that I intend to inatall in an A-pillar dual pod setup...
It may become more ditracting in that loction then if it were located below radio...

is there any way of dimming them...?

[magindat]

4) See the manual on Dimmer and Invert

Manual Linky (http://www.aeroforcetech.com/files/Interceptor_USER_MANUAL_rev_1_ 5_version_2.pdf)

[Loco1234]

Manual Linky (http://www.aeroforcetech.com/files/Interceptor_USER_MANUAL_rev_1_ 5_version_2.pdf)

thnx I'll print and read manual rather then continue to pester u...
LOL

[magindat]

1) shami02: Silver bezel, black face, green display. Confirmed - Paid
2)
3)
4)
5)

No delay for the Marauder face plate. If QwkSVT or sabtaj1 come up with one, it's easy to change. These singles will be shipped with the standard face plate.

4 left.

I've decided I'll let this run 'til Tuesday 4/24. Hopefully, this will be enough time for everyone who wants a single to jump aboard. If we don't make 5, we'll have to add 10 bucks to the cost because we didn't meet minimum. I feel a week is long enough to make folks wait who have already paid.

4 TO GO!

I must say I made a mistake. I had been speaking with sabtaj so much on PM regarding the face I confused he and shami02. I have corrected the posts to the best of my abilities. Sorry.

Shami02 is the only paid and confirmed order.

[sabtaj1]

Damn. You had me thinking I paid already. Or was getting a free one. LOL. Just kiddin!

[QWK SVT]

magindat- thanks for the help getting the bezel off - it took me all of 60 seconds.

I'm getting pretty close to having my face ready to go... I'm still fine tuning with printed paper, until I get the demensions perfect, but here's a picture of one of my earlier mock ups:

http://www.qwksvt.com/Lightning_Files/Gauge/OBDMarauder_Custom_Face2.jpg

Since this one I've reduced the MARAUDER and God's head to fit inside the bezel, and bought myself a new exacto knife, for more exact cutting (I used scissors, which caused the wrinkling seen above)...

[QWK SVT]

Almost forgot... Here's the latest one:

http://www.qwksvt.com/Lightning_Files/Gauge/OBDMarauder_Custom_Face3.jpg

[magindat]

Looks awesome, bro! I'm sure Todd would do them for us on the duals!!!

In the mean time, Sabtaj1 HAS PM'd interest in a single! So, that's 2.

3 to go!!!

Also, I'm gonna start building the list for duals. No money yet, 'till Todd says they are ready. Just a list....

[magindat]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\whitre display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5)

[magindat]

1) shami02: Silver bezel, black face, green display. Confirmed - Paid
2) sabtaj1: need colors.
3)
4)
5)

[Loco1234]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\whitre display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5)

add me to the list...

[magindat]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\whitre display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5) Loco1234:
6)

[merc]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\whitre display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5) Loco1234:
6)

Sorry I purchased a single unit in another GB, but the information here is great. I hope to have my unit Friday. :banana:

[sabtaj1]

I want the same colors as shami02

[magindat]

1) shami02: Silver bezel, black face, green display. Confirmed - Paid
2) sabtaj1: Silver bezel, black face, green display. Confirmed - Awaiting payment.
3)
4)
5)

[magindat]

Sorry I purchased a single unit in another GB, but the information here is great. I hope to have my unit Friday. :banana:

Bummer. Did you get the GH start screen? Enjoy it!

[merc]

Bummer. Did you get the GH start screen? Enjoy it!

I hope it has the God's Head screen because I will be returning it to sender the next day.

[forcefedjunkie]

The numbers on the display are about the same size to slightly larger than the numbers on your tach or speedo. I always say that if you can't see them then you probably should not be driving ;)

Todd


Please...correct me if I am wrong...

But, when racing down the strip, isn't this Gauge kind of small to see clearly???

KillJoy

[forcefedjunkie]

Just to clarify a couple things. You'll be able to enter a conversion to display proper units when using the analog inputs. For example, if you install a 2 or 3 bar MAP sensor you'll see units in PSI. Below "0" you will see - psi. This is different that inHg but just as meaningful as long as you understand that -30 inHG is about -15 psi. They differ by a factor of about 2. I think you car has a MAP sensor, so the MAP reading obtained from the OBD2 port will read inHg under vacuum for comparison.

Once you enter a conversion for the analog inputs, you are given numerous options for the heading or description. A/F ratio is one, as is Vacuum/Boost, Oil Pressure, EGT, etc. You should be able to find one to match your needs.

Finally 1 Bar does equal 14.5xx psi, but this is in absolute terms. 1 Bar only reads vacuum, 2 bar will read vacuum to +14.5 psi, 3 bar will read vacuum to + 29.xxx psi. We have both 2 and 3 bar MAP sensors. The 2 bar kits are only $50. Hope this helps.

Todd


I will answer this PM publicly for the knowledge of all...



Most of what you ask is in the manual here (http://www.aeroforcetech.com/files/Interceptor_USER_MANUAL_rev_1_ 5_version_2.pdf), along with some super pictures.

1) Yes. See the manual under Analog1. No they don't forget when powered off.

2) per google: <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.google.com/images/calc_img.gif</TD><TD></TD><TD noWrap>1 bar = 14.5037738 pounds per square inch</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
3) Analog 1 and Analog 2. Todd may chime in for more info.

4) See the manual on Dimmer and Invert.

5) Cool. Please note: CV is not officially tested. It will likely work great, but be aware you are purchasing a MARAUDER tested gauge.

6) Again, the face should be easy to make. Also, unless or until Todd @ Aeroforce tests and confirms CV, you'd be getting a Marauder gauge with God's Head startup screen.

Thanx for the message. I hope posting your questions helps everyone.

[magindat]

Thanx Todd!!!!

[JonW]

I have a question on oil pressure (I haven't had my MM very long and don't drive it that much). Since the factory oil gauge is a dummy, is there a light that comes on or a warning if the oil pressure drops too low? Is the factory OP guage simply an on/off gauge that works off the ignition circuit and "reads" the oil pressure when the ignition is on? I know this may be a little off topic, but I'm thinking in terms of the AeroForce gauge and the analog OP reading.

[magindat]

I have a question on oil pressure (I haven't had my MM very long and don't drive it that much). Since the factory oil gauge is a dummy, is there a light that comes on or a warning if the oil pressure drops too low? Is the factory OP guage simply an on/off gauge that works off the ignition circuit and "reads" the oil pressure when the ignition is on? I know this may be a little off topic, but I'm thinking in terms of the AeroForce gauge and the analog OP reading.

If there is oil pressure at all, the factory gauge reads like 65 or so. If none, then 0. Our OBD does not monitor oil pressure amount, just whether ther is any at all. The signal from thd factory sender is 12v on/off at like 15 psi. A light can be added to the factory signal wire and a buzzer, too. DR has written this up. For the 0-5v reading needed to run a true OP gauge (anyone's not just this one), a sender must be added that has a 0-5V output. The sender from Aerofoce is $60 and requires a few fittings to install. 2 wires are run from the Throttle Position Sensor (constant 5v and Ground) to the sender and one wire is run from the sensor, into the cabin and to the analog input. It's fairly straightforward and does no harm to the TPS or it's reading.

[HookedOnCV]

Once you enter a conversion for the analog inputs, you are given numerous options for the heading or description. A/F ratio is one, as is Vacuum/Boost, Oil Pressure, EGT, etc. You should be able to find one to match your needs.
Todd

That was one of the clarifications I was looking for. I thought it would just display "Analog 1" or something that really isn't meaningful. The description choices that can be assigned to an analog channel are great!!!

The fuel pressure sender unit has a 3/8" fitting? Any idea what size a Schrader valve fitting is? That is what I have on my fuel rail currently. I assume that I could get an adapter to bring the 3/8 to something WAY smaller unless I find another location to tap off of the fuel rail. With 0-150 psi = 0-5vdc, is the resolution going to be sufficient for a 40 psi fuel pressure (regulated to 40 psi)?

Thanks!

Todd

[JonW]

[quote=magindat;488419]If there is oil pressure at all, the factory gauge reads like 65 or so. If none, then 0. Our OBD does not monitor oil pressure amount, just whether ther is any at all.[quote]

So, how will the AeroForce gauge display oil pressure when hooked up to ghe OBD?

[sabtaj1]

I believe it says that a oil sending unit can be purchased seprately to monitor the oil pressure with the aero gauge.

[magindat]

[quote=magindat;488419]If there is oil pressure at all, the factory gauge reads like 65 or so. If none, then 0. Our OBD does not monitor oil pressure amount, just whether ther is any at all.[quote]

So, how will the AeroForce gauge display oil pressure when hooked up to ghe OBD?
I believe it says that a oil sending unit can be purchased seprately to monitor the oil pressure with the aero gauge.

Correct. :D

[JonW]

So the AeroForce gauge will not monitor OP at all? I thought from reading a previous post that the factory gauge got its input from the OBD.

[magindat]

So the AeroForce gauge will not monitor OP at all? I thought from reading a previous post that the factory gauge got its input from the OBD.

The Aeroforce gauge will monitor Oil Pressure from an additional oil pressure sender wired to one of the available analog inputs. I am doing so today and it is visible in my photos as 'Analog 1'. A variable (not on/off) sender must be added for any 'real' oil pressure gauge in our cars.

The factory gauge gets it's input from an on/off sensor near the oil filter. The OBD hears the same on/off signal, but it's only function is to light the idiot light on the dash. The computer in our cars has no clue what the OP is. It only knows if there is pressure or is not pressure.

[merc]

I got my gauge today. This mod should be on top of your list. If you don't have one ask some that has one to demo this unit. After a few seconds the cash will dispense from your pocket.

[forcefedjunkie]

That was one of the clarifications I was looking for. I thought it would just display "Analog 1" or something that really isn't meaningful. The description choices that can be assigned to an analog channel are great!!!

The fuel pressure sender unit has a 3/8" fitting? Any idea what size a Schrader valve fitting is? That is what I have on my fuel rail currently. I assume that I could get an adapter to bring the 3/8 to something WAY smaller unless I find another location to tap off of the fuel rail. With 0-150 psi = 0-5vdc, is the resolution going to be sufficient for a 40 psi fuel pressure (regulated to 40 psi)?

Thanks!

Todd

When you add a fuel pressure sensor it will read pressure in gage (psig) not differential (psid) like the stock pressure sensor on a returnless fuel system. It's true that the system will regulate pressure to 39 psid, relative to manifold pressure, but actual pressure will be manifold pressure + 39 psi. At idle FP will be 39 psi above the manifold pressure (~-10 psig) or about 29 psig. At WOT the manifold pressure will be about "0" psig, so FP will be about 39 psig. If you're car is a boosted application, the FP can go as high as 60+ psi depending on how much boost you run. The sensor is accurate to 1 psi, which is better than your typical mechanical FP gauge.

All this being said, I don't know why you would want to use a FP sensor when you have one already on the car that can be read from the OBD2 port.

Todd

[magindat]

Looks like only two takers...
Shami02 and sabtaj1. I'm closing this tomorrow and ordering tomorrow about 3 p.m.

We'll talk about duals when Todd's ready!

Thanx
Rich

[juno]

I believe that schrader is 1/8" npt.

Does anyone know where the OBII reads tranny and oil temp from physically??


That was one of the clarifications I was looking for. I thought it would just display "Analog 1" or something that really isn't meaningful. The description choices that can be assigned to an analog channel are great!!!

The fuel pressure sender unit has a 3/8" fitting? Any idea what size a Schrader valve fitting is? That is what I have on my fuel rail currently. I assume that I could get an adapter to bring the 3/8 to something WAY smaller unless I find another location to tap off of the fuel rail. With 0-150 psi = 0-5vdc, is the resolution going to be sufficient for a 40 psi fuel pressure (regulated to 40 psi)?

Thanks!

Todd

[merc]

Looks like only two takers...
Shami02 and sabtaj1. I'm closing this tomorrow and ordering tomorrow about 3 p.m.

We'll talk about duals when Todd's ready!

Thanx
Rich

This gauge rocks you won't be sorry.

[superford3]

i put one in the marauder yesterday and it is sweet and works awesome

[shami02]

So does the single gauge GB close today? I am looking forward to recieving my gauge... Which face will be on it?
Mike

[sabtaj1]

yes it does! Ready for mine too.

[magindat]

So does the single gauge GB close today? I am looking forward to recieving my gauge... Which face will be on it?
Mike


yes it does! Ready for mine too.

Yes, and I have placed the order. Both will come with black faces just like in my pics and SVT's pics. However, should a replacement face become available through someone's effort, here, they are super easy to change.

Todd has mentioned being a bit short-handed lately, but has been keeping up with orders. Mine took about 1 week total from order, so assuming all is well, I'd be looking for them before next Friday. Todd used USPS for all our back and forth shipping with the prototypes, so I assume USPS will be used for these.

I'll post up as more info becomes available.

[sabtaj1]

Thank you!

[Blackened300a]

OK Basic question, If I just plug the gauge into the OBDII port, What engine parameters will the gauge display?

A/F mixture?, engine temps?

If you have a single gauge available, You'll be recieving a payment tonight.

[magindat]

Re: orders as of yesterday (Monday)


Hi Rich,

Ok, I'll get these out around mid week.

The dual hardware should be ready in 1-2 weeks. It's out of my hands, just waiting for the manufacturing facility to deliver. Thanks!

Todd

[magindat]

OK Basic question, If I just plug the gauge into the OBDII port, What engine parameters will the gauge display?

A/F mixture?, engine temps?

If you have a single gauge available, You'll be recieving a payment tonight.

Sorry, I hadn't paid attention to this reply.

The gauge reads:

RPM, MPH, IAT, MAF Count, MAF lb/min, H2O temp, Long trim, Short trim, O2 volts, MAP psi, timing advance, knock retard, run time, B+, TPS%, TPS volts, load, HP, Inst/Av MPG, Pulse width, duty cycle, FP duty, FP psi, trans temp, torque, 2x analog inputs 0-5V (I use 1 for OP w/Aeroforce supplied sender.

PM me if you still want one. Since this GB is closed, maybe hold off 'till the duals GB so you can get a single a little cheaper and with your choice of colors.

A/F mixture can be read with a wideband O2 kit and was discussed at length earlier in this thread. It CAN display A/F, but needs the proper sensor and signal converter. OBD DOES NOT give A/F.

[RocsMerc]

Is there any idea of the price range for the dual gauge kits yet?

[magindat]

Is there any idea of the price range for the dual gauge kits yet?

Hopin to get them in under $400 shipped. Not totally sure yet.

[RocsMerc]

I don't know if anybody caught this on the first post, but why does his speedometer go up to 220?


http://www.qwksvt.com/Lightning_Files/Gauge/OBDMarauder.jpg

[magindat]

I don't know if anybody caught this on the first post, but why does his speedometer go up to 220?

Canadian km/h

[Blackened300a]

I think Ill hold up for the double gauge set-up, Thanks for the info!

[magindat]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\white display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5) Loco1234:
6) Blackened300A:

If you are still interested, post up you desired colors maybe when duals are ready we can turn this GB quickly!

I'll also keep a list of any additional Singles interest. Just lemme know.
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[Loco1234]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\white display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5) Loco1234:
6) Blackened300A:

If you are still interested, post up you desired colors maybe when duals are ready we can turn this GB quickly!

I'll also keep a list of any additional Singles interest. Just lemme know.
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hmm anybody have any opions on what might look nice in a dual pillar pod setup... Im pretty sure Im want green letters and numbers....

[Hotrauder]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\white display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5) Loco1234:
6) Blackened300A:

If you are still interested, post up you desired colors maybe when duals are ready we can turn this GB quickly!

I'll also keep a list of any additional Singles interest. Just lemme know.
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Not sure yet Rich. We will talk about it when I see you.:2thumbs: Dennis

[shami02]

Any update on the single gauges... It has been a while?

Mike

[magindat]

Any update on the single gauges... It has been a while?

Mike

Well, as posted above, he said mid week this week and mine took about a week. Remember, he's still hand assembling and programming for Marauder... If not there by Tuesday, lemme know and I'll follow up.

[Master]

Shouldn't we get the green illumination so it matches the rest of the car? Actually, its been so long since I've seen my car I can't remember what colour the gauges are....

[John F. Russo]

Please don't poo-poo this thread. This product is in development and I had not posted yet due to Todd@Aeroforce hving not signed up as a vendor and having waited for Dennis to possibly take on the product. Dennis said this weekend he'd order a set for his own testing and Todd has expressed interest in joining as a vendor.

I hope this AWESOME product can be brought into our community. It perfectly fills the gap for many.

"In development"? Does this mean that the gauge has not been sold except on a few cars and mass production has not occurred. Is this correct?

I'm always concerned about new products.

[sabtaj1]

can you check and see if the single gauges have been shipped yet? Thanks.

[sabtaj1]

Any word yet on the singles?

[magindat]

Shouldn't we get the green illumination so it matches the rest of the car? Actually, its been so long since I've seen my car I can't remember what colour the gauges are....

I did... and that has become the standard color for Marauder.

[magindat]

"In development"? Does this mean that the gauge has not been sold except on a few cars and mass production has not occurred. Is this correct?

I'm always concerned about new products.

I WAS the development (for Marauder) although he already had Lightning and Cobra done. They are now in mass production as you can see from Todd's info above re:factory.

[magindat]

List of duals interest:

1) Dr. Caleb: Silver bezel\white face\green display
2) JonW: Silver bezel\white face\white display
3) Master:
4) MCAT:
5) Loco1234:
6) Blackened300A:
7) HookedonCV: Black bezel, black face, green display

If you are still interested, post up you desired colors maybe when duals are ready we can turn this GB quickly!

I'll also keep a list of any additional Singles interest. Just lemme know.
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[QWK SVT]

Well, I'm pretty well done with my gauge faces, and thought I'd share...Since these photos, I've reduced the MARAUDER font, so that it fits correctly, but haven't taken the time to r'n'r the face, yet... Anyway, here's what I did:

Printed on transparency paper (like used in high school overhead projectors), the face looked great for very little effort (few minutes in Photshop). I then cut the pattern out, popped the gauge trim bezel off and... well... here's how it looks:

http://www.qwksvt.com/Marauder_Files/Gauge/CustomFace.jpg

When powered up, I notice some light would make it through the printed design (the red "shieft lights" shine through when lite). I used some electrical tape on the backside of the overlay, the stop light from sneaking through where I don't want it to...

To install the gauge, it's really quite simple - the gauge plugs into the OBDII port (driver's side, just above the gas pedal). That's it. It's fed data from the port, and gets power from it, as well. I decided to remove the stock oil pressure gauge (which really doesn't tell you the pressure, it's just a dummy on/off gauge, anyway) and pop the multifunction gauge in there. First step was to remove the stock trim panel, by reaching around on both sides and pulling back on it gently.

http://www.qwksvt.com/Marauder_Files/Gauge/PullingStock.jpg

From there, just spin two nuts to remove the old gauge, and use the bracket provided with the multifunction gauge to secure it in place (a little bending of the bracket was required for me). Plug the wires in and put it back together. Took all of 10-minutes, at most. Turned on the car, and it worked like a charm:

http://www.qwksvt.com/Marauder_Files/Gauge/Startup.jpg

The green really looks great at night and is a near match for the interior of the Marauder - I think it looks great! (sorry it's so blurry) You can also see what I mean about light sneaking through - next version has all light blocked, except the MARAUDER font, which is red by day and glows green at night...

http://www.qwksvt.com/Marauder_Files/Gauge/NightGauge.jpg

[sabtaj1]

Nice write up. Yours came with a mounting bracket? All mine had was some little blk plastic nuts on the threaded ends. I didnt recieve the mounting bracket. Please let me know if I should have. I was wondering about this. Thanks

[Hotrauder]

Very nice. Thanks for the tips. Dennis:)

[Master]

Really nice job!

[QWK SVT]

Nice write up. Yours came with a mounting bracket? All mine had was some little blk plastic nuts on the threaded ends. I didnt recieve the mounting bracket. Please let me know if I should have. I was wondering about this. Thanks

I didn't order through the group buy, but yes - mine came with a mounting bracket (actually, the one I bought for the Lightning did, too). It's a small metal strip bent with two 90* angles (like this [ ). There are two drilled holes in it, for the bolts on the back of the gauge to go through. Without it, the gauge would easily slide out of the cluster in my MM... Really, it wouldn't be hard to make one, if you really had to.

[sabtaj1]

Ya but for the price I shouldnt have to make one though. Owell, I guess.

[HookedOnCV]

Any word on the dual gauges? I've got my old gauges sold and a couple of holes in the gauge pod waiting to be filled.

I'm really looking forward to getting them installed and seeing some parameters I really haven't seen before (my XCal2 can monitor them, but it is difficult to read when you are driving).

Todd

[JonW]

Since these gauges don't monitor oil pressure without an adapter, and I don't really want to do the adapter, can one of the shift lights be wired (using the stock oil pressure gauge wiring) so that it comes on if oil pressure drops?

[magindat]

Any word on the dual gauges? I've got my old gauges sold and a couple of holes in the gauge pod waiting to be filled.

I'm really looking forward to getting them installed and seeing some parameters I really haven't seen before (my XCal2 can monitor them, but it is difficult to read when you are driving).

Todd
Soon, I hope. I'm getting another prototype set any day now.

[magindat]

Since these gauges don't monitor oil pressure without an adapter, and I don't really want to do the adapter, can one of the shift lights be wired (using the stock oil pressure gauge wiring) so that it comes on if oil pressure drops?

NO OP gauge will work in our car without changing the sender.

That said, no, the shift light can't be made to do what you ask.

You CAN, however wire a warning light by using a relay and installing a light.

[shami02]

Any of you all that have this scangauge would you please chime in on what figure you are using for the HP adjustment? I have been running 1.03 but I am still a bit off in MPG I believe (slightly high). While this gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and bragging rights for high fuel mileage... I would lke to get clser.. I dont have a dyno so I am unsre about my HP figures. Anyway please check in with your adjustment figures so I can compare with the masses....

TNKX in advance gentlemen!

[jonroe]

I'm interested in getting the single gauge package. Is there any MM.net buy going on right now or should I contact Todd directly at AeroForce? Is the product totally official for the Marauder these days or is it still a prototype? With this long thread, it's a little hard to follow. Thanks.

Jon

[1of327]

Talk to wes at Innovative interceptors....

[jonroe]

I just sent Wes an e-mail. Thanks.

Jon

[shami02]

Get one you will not be sorry.... I rely on mine a lot. Personally I am holding my pennies waiting for the wideband O2 sensor interface Todd promised for late this summer.

[magindat]

Any of you all that have this scangauge would you please chime in on what figure you are using for the HP adjustment? I have been running 1.03 but I am still a bit off in MPG I believe (slightly high). While this gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and bragging rights for high fuel mileage... I would lke to get clser.. I dont have a dyno so I am unsre about my HP figures. Anyway please check in with your adjustment figures so I can compare with the masses....

TNKX in advance gentlemen!

It varies with mods. When I tested at last year's SSM picnic, I was from 1.20 on a stocker to 1.45 on my own.

[magindat]

Talk to wes at Innovative interceptors....

Is Wes carrying these now?

[magindat]

I'm interested in getting the single gauge package. Is there any MM.net buy going on right now or should I contact Todd directly at AeroForce? Is the product totally official for the Marauder these days or is it still a prototype? With this long thread, it's a little hard to follow. Thanks.

Jon

The product is 'official' in single gauge form. I am still helping work on the duals. I'm actually waiting for my 4th set of test gauges right now. The work perfect in singles and DO feature the Marauder logo.

Check your PM's.

I'll be putting together another group buy for singles and doubles when the doubles are ready.

[Loco1234]

Ya Im very interested in the doubles...
I wasnna do a piller dual gauge setup....

[Eric91Z]

I was originally not interested in this setup, but after reading more and being ready to do a gauge upgrade, I am interested. I have a couple questions that I did not see specifically asked previously or answered (after reading 12 pages of this post):

1) Since this unit pulls from the OBD-II port, do we know where the factory tranny temp reading comes from and how accurate or reliabe is it as opposed to an external gauge? I am adding a tranny cooler and want to watch my temps closely.

2) I am guessing, but not sure, but from the pictures, it looks like the face side of this unit is basically the same size as the factory AutoMeter gauges and will be the same size as what is in there now (looking at it from the front)?

3) Are the kits shipping with the bracket to allow proper mounting in our gauge cluster down there?

4) What is the latest pricing on the dual gauge setup?

5) If the OP sender is ordered does it come with everything needed to plug in to one of the Analog inputs or is there more that we need to add?

6) Lastly, what, if any, modifications are needed to install that new OP sender so that we can have a true OP reading with this unit?


I didn't think much about it before as I had just planned on replacing the 2 stock gauges with new UL II, adding a tranny temp gauge where the cigarette lighter is, and then a dual gauge pod for Boost and Fuel Pressure gauges (when the blower goes on). That is a total of 5 new gauges and around $450 or so (with $200 of that for the FP gauge). So for what sounds like close to that price (and $60 for the OP sending unit), I can get a 2 gauge setup that mounts where the 2 stock gauges are at, has one connector to hook up, no extra power, ground or other lines to run (except for the OP sender). And other than needing to unplug the gauges from the OBD-II port to disconnect the battery (according to the instructions) or to re-tune with the XCal2, there is nothing else to worry about. And, I could always re-install the factory gauges again if I wanted and not have to cut up that area for the tranny temp gauge install.

I guess this is a pretty good buy. Count me in based on potential answers to the questions above. My biggest thing is asthetics and making sure they look right in our factory location down there.

I would want silver bezel, green letters/numbers, and fine with the stock AeroForce overlay. This would be for the dual gauge setup.

[jonroe]

I'm ordering the single myself today and leaving the working oil gauge in place. I debated on the single vs dual but didn't want to bother messing with the oil gauge. The other thing I like, in terms of getting to routinely see a lot of parameters is the "cyclic" mode where you can have one gauge cycle 8 parameters by two at a time with 4 pairs defined. That made it easier for me to go with the single. Not having it yet I can't really answer your questions although others can. For #2 I'm pretty sure the gauge face is an exact fit to replace our standard size Ultra-Lites. I expect the gauge will come with a mounting bracket or it seems you could use one of the existing Ultra-Lite mounting brackets? Jon

[O's Fan Rich]

T

I'll be putting together another group buy for singles and doubles when the doubles are ready.

Keep me in the loop, Rich.

[magindat]

I was originally not interested in this setup, but after reading more and being ready to do a gauge upgrade, I am interested. I have a couple questions that I did not see specifically asked previously or answered (after reading 12 pages of this post):

1) Since this unit pulls from the OBD-II port, do we know where the factory tranny temp reading comes from and how accurate or reliabe is it as opposed to an external gauge? I am adding a tranny cooler and want to watch my temps closely.
That has been mentioned in another thread. I think it's from inside the pan. My readings are similar to others with a sender on the tranny output line.

2) I am guessing, but not sure, but from the pictures, it looks like the face side of this unit is basically the same size as the factory AutoMeter gauges and will be the same size as what is in there now (looking at it from the front)? They are standard 2-1/16 size.

3) Are the kits shipping with the bracket to allow proper mounting in our gauge cluster down there? Yes.

4) What is the latest pricing on the dual gauge setup? Not released yet. Stay tuned. I'm still waiting for my 4th test set. They are supposed to be the last of the tweaks and finished. Patience. It's worth the wait.

5) If the OP sender is ordered does it come with everything needed to plug in to one of the Analog inputs or is there more that we need to add? No. You'll need a 90 and a reducer. Easy local hardware store stuff. You need to tap the 5v and G from an existing sensor (I used TPS) to feed the sender and you'll need a single conductor into the car to 'hear' the sender. BTW, it's the same if you got any other 'real OP sender and gauge.

6) Lastly, what, if any, modifications are needed to install that new OP sender so that we can have a true OP reading with this unit?
Answered above.

I didn't think much about it before as I had just planned on replacing the 2 stock gauges with new UL II, adding a tranny temp gauge where the cigarette lighter is, and then a dual gauge pod for Boost and Fuel Pressure gauges (when the blower goes on). That is a total of 5 new gauges and around $450 or so (with $200 of that for the FP gauge). So for what sounds like close to that price (and $60 for the OP sending unit), I can get a 2 gauge setup that mounts where the 2 stock gauges are at, has one connector to hook up, no extra power, ground or other lines to run (except for the OP sender). And other than needing to unplug the gauges from the OBD-II port to disconnect the battery (according to the instructions) or to re-tune with the XCal2, there is nothing else to worry about. And, I could always re-install the factory gauges again if I wanted and not have to cut up that area for the tranny temp gauge install.

I guess this is a pretty good buy. Count me in based on potential answers to the questions above. My biggest thing is asthetics and making sure they look right in our factory location down there.

I would want silver bezel, green letters/numbers, and fine with the stock AeroForce overlay. This would be for the dual gauge setup.

I basically had the same thought process. I didn't want a cluttered dash and I didn't think we needed all that analog info in today's digital age. I contacted Aeroforce when I discovered them in extensive searches. At the time they had stuff for GM and were just starting on Ford. I liked the idea so much I bought the gauges even though I new I'd be guinea pig. They have been great and have continually sent hardware to test and I have followed instructions, tweaks, and returned info. They tell me they'll be done with duals this go-round. It's been fun being part of the growth of a new product.

Don't worry. When they (and I) feel confident with the duals, I'll do a GB.

As before, I do believe they will accommodate us with color choices.

[Eric91Z]

I basically had the same thought process. I didn't want a cluttered dash and I didn't think we needed all that analog info in today's digital age. I contacted Aeroforce when I discovered them in extensive searches. At the time they had stuff for GM and were just starting on Ford. I liked the idea so much I bought the gauges even though I new I'd be guinea pig. They have been great and have continually sent hardware to test and I have followed instructions, tweaks, and returned info. They tell me they'll be done with duals this go-round. It's been fun being part of the growth of a new product.

Don't worry. When they (and I) feel confident with the duals, I'll do a GB.

As before, I do believe they will accommodate us with color choices.




Thanks for the answers and leg work to get something this cool up and running for us. It is much appreciated and I await your updates on the dual kit.

[magindat]

Update: Next (and hopefully last) test set for duals is on the way. If they check out, GB for Duals and singles will be up and running! Cross your fingers!!!

[magindat]

This last test set PASSED! Duals will be ready in a day or two and the Group Buy will be ON!!!

[sabtaj1]

Anyone have and extra mounting bracket? Or a extra auto meter angle ring. Dont want to buy a pack of them. And cant seem to find a mounting bracket.

[magindat]

Make one. 3/8x1/8 aluminum flat stock from LHWS. Bend in your vise. Drill 2 holes!!!

[sabtaj1]

Word! 12345

[magindat]

The Group Buy is ON!!!!! Thanx Wes!
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=530648#post53 0648

[chief455]

I'm curious if any of the original creators of the Marauder gauge still exist, or if anyone will sell a single or dual gauge set up?
I'd LOVE to have the Godshead start up screen, rather than a new 2015 standard Aeroforce unit.
Anyone?

[fastblackmerc]

I'm curious if any of the original creators of the Marauder gauge still exist, or if anyone will sell a single or dual gauge set up?
I'd LOVE to have the Godshead start up screen, rather than a new 2015 standard Aeroforce unit.
Anyone?

I'm in contact with Aeroforce to see if they still have the startup screen(s). IIRC there was a gods head and "MARAUDER".

[MOTOWN]

I have that "Marauder" gods head start up screen on my Aeroforce gauges , very nice!

[Cougar_Marauder]

I'm in contact with Aeroforce to see if they still have the startup screen(s). IIRC there was a gods head and "MARAUDER".


I have a single unit with the god's head start up screen. I would get a dual set up if it is still available.... then I would be willing to sell the one I have.

[chief455]

I'm in contact with Aeroforce to see if they still have the startup screen(s). IIRC there was a gods head and "MARAUDER".
^ that is what I read in this thread.

I have that "Marauder" gods head start up screen on my Aeroforce gauges , very nice!
And does the faceplate say MARAUDER?
you really don't want them anymore right?;)
I bet with all the new blood here, we could justify another run of these, and a group buy.
Jim - please keep us posted.

[MOTOWN]

^ that is what I read in this thread.

And does the faceplate say MARAUDER?
you really don't want them anymore right?;)
I bet with all the new blood here, we could justify another run of these, and a group buy.
Jim - please keep us posted.

My Face plates says Aeroforce , those can be modded though.

[chief455]

My Face plates says Aeroforce , those can be modded though.
hmm, did you get yours either already in your car, after 2007?
If you bought the gauge later than 2007, maybe Aeroforce will still have the Marauder gauge = Godshead start up display. Another member was making the faceplates and swapping them on, if I read this thread correctly.

[CWright]

Roger has the one's I bought in 2012. He got them from me. :beer:

I bought a set of in Blue and they have the godhead as an option during start up. Its in the setup menu.

[MOTOWN]

I bought mines from CWright a couple years ago, when he switched to a different color display.

[chief455]

Roger has the one's I bought in 2012. He got them from me. :beer:

I bought a set of in Blue and they have the godhead as an option during start up. Its in the setup menu.


I bought mines from CWright a couple years ago, when he switched to a different color display.
Sounds like if I order new gauges with green lighting, Godshead will be in the start up menu = WINNING!!
I might settle for 'SVT' on the faceplate, which is an option....
now I want to mount these on the steering column, need to fab something I'm guessing.
I see they sell a left mount or a right mount for F150, but not a dual gauge mount

[gdmjoe]

For your listening pleasure and reading enjoyment .....
http://www.gdmjoe.com/marauder/documents/MarauderGaugeUnderlayFlag.jpg (http://www.gdmjoe.com/marauder/documents/MarauderGaugeUnderlayFlag.pdf) ««« -click-
*Gauge overlay

[chief455]

For your listening pleasure and reading enjoyment .....

http://www.gdmjoe.com/marauder/documents/MarauderGaugeUnderlayFlag.jpg (http://www.gdmjoe.com/marauder/documents/MarauderGaugeUnderlayFlag.pdf) ««« -click-
*Gauge overlay

:eek: And I have to do what to get 2 of these?? Print and cut, right?
NICE!! THANK YOU!!:beer:

[MOTOWN]

I just used the Aeroforce faceplates

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20130824_153930_zps8fd22ea9.jp g

[chief455]

I just used the Aeroforce faceplates

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/20130824_153930_zps8fd22ea9.jp g

think I will do the same.
On the website, not much has changes since 2008, I bet the Godshead in start up is a permanent feature.
I just snagged a dual set, red lighting :rolleyes: but will do. I wanted green ;)
I'll post up if start up menu has our logo.