Trilogy bypass valve

[mercurymarauder]

Has anyone disabled the Trilogy supercharger bypass valve (round black device passenger side of supercharger with a rubber vacuum hose) to gain boost immediately? I got the big block I wanted...all kinds of rubber smoke at one quarter throttle...YESSSSSSS

I am adding extra timing down low...

and seriously considering an ultra low stall converter 1800-2000
or 2400-2600 to replace my 3000. My experience shows that the
ones who LOVE the 3000 like to floor their accelerator to get power.
I like to touch the gas pedal and get torque. Many opinions have lead
me to believe that much of this rpm rev with no power (up to 3000 rpms)
is due to the torque converter.

I have 4.30 gears...so I either leave those alone, go to 4.56 or down to 3.55 again... A little more work fixing some bad decisions and I will have the performance that does justice to the look and heritage of the Classic American Muscle Sedan...hey if I am going to get less than 20 mpg, I might as well enjoy it!

[DEFYANT]

This is a first. With the boost bypass disabled, will you be in boost all the time?

Not a mod for me, but keep us posted.

[Breadfan]

Wouldn't you also remain in boost if you came off the throttle in gear? Wouldn't that pose a lean condition problem unless the tune is made to compensate, as you'd be running boost but have your foot off the gas?

[DEFYANT]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Defyant/trolls.jpg

Nevermind.

This is the second BS thread by this guy!

First: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35417

[Breadfan]

Well all I can add is that tampering with the vacuum operated bypass valve is not a good idea and will void your warranty, I'm not speaking on behalf of Trilogy but I believe it's EATON themselves who stress this.

Regardless of whether or not this is a BS thread I don't want people to read this and it get the wrong idea and start thinking that tampering with the bypass valve on the eaton is a good idea.

It is not.

[mercurymarauder]

I have been running like that for more than a month...
Just pull off the passenger side black rubber vacuum
hose and plug it up temporarily (or your brake light will
go on) and see what you are missing!!!

This was recommended by Eaton through a plethora of emails.
They are looking into making the 112 (model supercharger)
have boost only at low end and cut out at 4000 rpms.

This totally cures the small block high revving engine problem
we have. Those who drove big 400+ block American engines
and big torquey diesels know what I am talking about.

The lower stall converter will help a lot also...ask around...
don't believe me.

[DEFYANT]

Trilogy + gear change = plenty of torque.

Not enough? Drop the pulley down a notch or two.

Not enough? Its because your spinning your wheels. Get widend rims and sticky tires. Now you have enought torque to break something if you try hard enough.

Tampering with the bypass will cause a failure somewhere - either in the engine or the blower.

This thread serves no purpose other than to mislead and possibly trick someone into trying this.

[O's Fan Rich]

I'd love to see your car with this mod done. Bring it up to Woodward in August so we can take a peek.

[Zack]

He did do it.
I have all the e-mails to prove it.

[mercurymarauder]

[quote=DEFYANT;501226]Trilogy + gear change = plenty of torque.

Not enough? Drop the pulley down a notch or two.

Not enough? Its because your spinning your wheels. Get widend rims and sticky tires. Now you have enought torque to break something if you try hard enough.

Tampering with the bypass will cause a failure somewhere - either in the engine or the blower.




I have to laugh when I hear the phrase "plenty of torque"...I have spent over $10,000 in mods and I am no where near "plenty of torque"...
What car are you running? or more specifically what are you USED TO running? You say plenty of torque...the wheels will spin wildly...AT WHAT RPM??? I am not going to floor my gas pedal just to beat some pathetic ricer from a stoplight...and I am sick of running through a bunch of noisy rpms (hell...I like noise IF IT WERE DOING SOMETHING) until it hits 3000 rpms and the small block goes "Oh yeah, you want some torque?"

I suspect this is why PROFESSIONALS at EATON and PRECISION INDUSTRIES are recommending these mods. Zack has half of the emails to prove it...some vendors here are aware of the possibility also ('nuff said). I am going with the lowest possible stall torque converter so I won't have to wait until 3000 rpms to get er dun. Finally my car feels right...it took 15,000 miles and hundreds of differing opinions...but I dare a Trilogy owner just to pull off the black rubber vacuum hose, plug it up and peel rubber for blocks at 1500 rpm! I have talked to the original engineers and owners of the patents for parts of the 112 and they concur with this method.

I will put in more timing down low and get a real dynotune to compensate for any possible lean conditions...they are also looking at an old GM kit that cut blower boost at higher rpms to shift gears...might be ideal since I ALWAYS HAD power when I floored the accelerator...the whole point was power at low end...and low end TO ME means 1500 rpms.:argue:

By the way I would know if I were spinning rubber and I NEVER did at reasonable rpms until I tried this MOD. Hey ZACK, that is the first nice thing you said about me!

[STLR FN]

Well don't you think you answered your own question in regards to low end torque with the 3000 stall converter. Take it out and put in a lower stall then report back the results. While your question has validation, fix what you think the problem is.

[KillJoy]

:wave:

If you want Big Block Torque, buy a Big Block. You apparently have more money than common sense, so just have one put in. Problem solved.

KillJoy

[Krytin]

I have been running like that for more than a month...
Just pull off the passenger side black rubber vacuum
hose and plug it up temporarily (or your brake light will
go on) and see what you are missing!!!

This was recommended by Eaton through a plethora of emails.
They are looking into making the 112 (model supercharger)
have boost only at low end and cut out at 4000 rpms.

This totally cures the small block high revving engine problem
we have. Those who drove big 400+ block American engines
and big torquey diesels know what I am talking about.

The lower stall converter will help a lot also...ask around...
don't believe me.
Be prepared for "rod - through - block syndrome"!

[mercurymarauder]

The test would to remove the rubber vacuum hose.
For a safe modification, get re-tuned by a very competent
supercharger shop. I went to Dyer Superchargers in Summit, IL

Dyer has millions of dollars worth of equipment and has been building
superchargers for years...race acr experience. He took about five
minutes under the hood to change my Marauder from a revving wannabe
to a tire eating monster.


This is a proven system and method...promise it works.

[RCSignals]

ADMIn

Why is this guy still here? He's been banned twice before, and his delivery here now does not show any change.

[kj31067]

hey zack......whats this guy s deal?

[Breadfan]

I will put in more timing down low and get a real dynotune to compensate for any possible lean conditions...



For a safe modification, get re-tuned by a very competent
supercharger shop. I went to Dyer Superchargers in Summit, Il

I don't get it, did you get a tune or not?

[RCSignals]

............................
I suspect this is why PROFESSIONALS at EATON and PRECISION INDUSTRIES are recommending these mods. Zack has half of the emails to prove it...some vendors here are aware of the possibility also ('nuff said). I am going with the lowest possible stall torque converter so I won't have to wait until 3000 rpms to get er dun. Finally my car feels right...it took 15,000 miles and hundreds of differing opinions...but I dare a Trilogy owner just to pull off the black rubber vacuum hose, plug it up and peel rubber for blocks at 1500 rpm! I have talked to the original engineers and owners of the patents for parts of the 112 and they concur with this method.

I will put in more timing down low and get a real dynotune to compensate for any possible lean conditions...they are also looking at an old GM kit that cut blower boost at higher rpms to shift gears...might be ideal since I ALWAYS HAD power when I floored the accelerator...the whole point was power at low end...and low end TO ME means 1500 rpms.:argue:

By the way I would know if I were spinning rubber and I NEVER did at reasonable rpms until I tried this MOD. Hey ZACK, that is the first nice thing you said about me!

Go ahead, post up ALL the emails with headers.

If this is true about the Eaton engineers, why has it taken them so many years to come out with this 'discovery'?

If you want lots of torque at 1500 RPM try an old Dodge or Plymouth with a straight flat head six. You won't have much left after 1500 RPM though :lol:

[TooManyFords]

ADMIn

Why is this guy still here? He's been banned twice before, and his delivery here now does not show any change.

Why? For being out on the edge and voicing an opinion?

I'm beginning to really like this guy! He takes a path less travelled and is not afraid to voice an opinion. I wish a lot more of you would be like this.

Yep, not afraid to change things and go out on a limb..

I like that.

:D

John

[Breadfan]

Is this a "boost bypass" job? I have heard about those but thought that was only for WOT, this seems different.

[RCSignals]

Why? For being out on the edge and voicing an opinion?

I'm beginning to really like this guy! He takes a path less travelled and is not afraid to voice an opinion. I wish a lot more of you would be like this.

Yep, not afraid to change things and go out on a limb..

I like that.

:D

John

If that's what you call voicing an opinion. He is 'out on the edge' that much is true.

His history here speaks for itself, and he isn't showing any change.

[Zack]

Leave me out of it.
All i can tell you is he's in his late 30's, is a TEACHER, and his mom drives him around in his Marauder.

No, Im not kidding.

[RCSignals]

Leave me out of it.
All i can tell you is he's in his late 30's, is a TEACHER, and his mom drives him around in his Marauder.

No, Im not kidding.

I believe you.

Was his mom with him at MV2 ?

[Zack]

I believe you.

Was his mom with him at MV2 ?

Yes sir. :lol:

[TooManyFords]

C'mon Zack, that's not really fair to judge someone like that. Heck, it wasn't until just recently that you finally moved out of your mom's house even though you owned all those cars...

Regardless, I did go back and search for all his other posts. The only thing I question is if it is really a Trilogy S/C or not. Sounds a lot like a Vortech or ATI to me.

I'd like to see a picture of the engine showing the changes made.

John

[O's Fan Rich]

You guy's just trying to work on a discount on the new Trilogy Twin Screw setup? Huh?
If so........keep it up please!!!!!
I want to see more on this. And I'd love to see the car in person and look at how it's done. Woodward is only a couple of months away!!

Oh, and yes I am to much of a wuss to DYI.

[mercurymarauder]

Just when I say something positive, Zack is back at personal insults
instead of discussing a very real and inexpensive mod. I guess you are all happy with the current system of flooring the gas pedal through thousands
of rpm to get any semblance of power. I hate the delay and the long wind-up...I strongly believe the 3000 stall torque converter prevents the engine
from getting real pull until 3000 rpm also...but that will be soon fixed.

Instead of personal rants, why not use science and with a Trilogy kit equipped Marauder just pull the hose and drive it for a few minutes, then let's get together and figure out how to make it safe and IDIOT-proof (tough with Zack around). Remember you will lose vacuum so don't be surprised if your brake light goes on...don't get killed...clamp off the hose instead of leaving it lose vacuum.

Hey Zack you are right about everything but where did you get TEACHER from? Excuse me for giving my mom (diagnosed with cancer) a few free maybe LAST vacations by letting her come along...real classy guy...and I think he actually knew about this. And oh yeah it really is a Trilogy, I was nice enough to bail Zack's butt out when he was stuck with his used Trilogy and everyone was afraid to buy it due to his modification mentality.

Just try the mod before you give up on the idea.

:censor:

[Breadfan]

Instead of personal rants, why not use science and with a Trilogy kit equipped Marauder just pull the hose and drive it for a few minutes,

I think oil adds too much weight and slows down the rotating assembly, your engine would have more horsepower and spin up faster without oil - trust me, it's true!

Use science, just drain your oil and drive it for a few minutes, you'll see!




.....



Regardless of whether or not doing such a thing on the blower is a worthwhile mod, what you suggest is certainly not science and not a good way for someone to attempt doing it. Calling the manufacturer of the kit, getting a dyno run while attempting it starting with low throttle pulls, that's more science and the smarter way than just pulling it and hoping for the best.

[Bradley G]

My car is not boost restricted, by the Bypass actuator.
I am in boost, at the slightest tip in .
I will be changing it back, A little to jumpy, off the line.

[TooManyFords]

My car is not boost restricted, by the Bypass actuator.
I am in boost, at the slightest tip in .
I will be changing it back, A little to jumpy, off the line.


Pssst... Bradley....

Switch to DECAF. Your typing is a bit jumpy too!

LOL!

John

[Breadfan]

Bradley did you bypass the actuator?

[Rider90]

Leave me out of it.
All i can tell you is he's in his late 30's, is a TEACHER, and his mom drives him around in his Marauder.

No, Im not kidding.
You forgot that he goes by the name Doug and/or Peter :confused:

He changed his name half way through our phone conversation. Doug err Peter, that really confused me! ;)

[Zack]

Maybe JB was right not to return my kit.
I sabotaged it!

[Bradley G]

Not intentionally, I did not notice the vacume hose nipple had broken off the actuator, while the blower was being r&r 'ed.
Tough part, The actuator is bolted from the bottom, Blower has to come off for the repair.

Bradley did you bypass the actuator?

[mercurymarauder]

What about the modification? We now have empirical evidence (from Bradley) that removing this restriction makes the car "jumpy" off the line.
I read this as meaning full of pi** and vinegar like a racehorse full of power ready to tear out of the post, the kind of torquey power I live for. It is amazing that you can't focus on a technical issue that may actually make a real difference in performance without a bunch of juvenile comments derailing the POST. You would almost think there was a conspiracy here trying to cover up the fact that boost is normally limited right when it should not be, right where it is needed most, extreme low rpms...

Tell the truth I need to know...I followed this Board's advice all the way back to PLUGS STAT & CHIP... Are you all a bunch of brake torque-ing banshees? Do you really floor the go pedal everytime you want to beat a lighter car at a stoplight...it ain't feasible and it ain't stealth. As much as I HATE imported cars, Mercedes makes an S65...serious ba**s to the walls performance...what over 700 horsepower from the factory (there is something to be said for obsessive over engineering). I am here to tell you that for the FIRST TIME EVER I felt the same performance at the same ultra low rpm when I removed the rubber vacuum hose...almost unlimited power.

Makes me want to design a blower for small blocks that only operates from 0-4000 rpm and then cuts out...why not give help right where the power band begs for it?:stupid:

One more quick point...I have a 2003a with 15,000 miles on it...wanna know why the low miles? Until I found this modification I hated driving it because no one could figure out how to get tire shredding torque out of this bad a** looking car. I followed what BillyGman did except for the 4.56 gears which were vetoed by a vendor here (which I wish I did) and he said that his car (remember the 0-60 in 4,25 second POSTs?) could beat Corvettes, Camaros, etc. Well maybe I am just not willing to take the car to 5000 rpm leaving every stoplight...this is the solution. I would greatly appreciate someone commenting on how to make it work safely and efficiently. If you hate this mod or think it unsafe tell me why? The only negative I can find is a slight negative effect on gas mileage...but at least I am enjoying every mile!!!

Dyer at Dyer Superchargers in Summit, IL is a GENIUS...he found this modification after only five minutes under the hood and one phone call to Jerry Barnes!

[Bradley G]

Now it's comming clearer,... Peter, Still not enough power?:D
I was warned by Lidio, not to redline the MM, until this is resolved.
I don't feel more torque, I feel it earlier in the power band.
Just be careful, my Bro!

What about the modification? We now have empirical evidence (from Bradley) that removing this restriction makes the car "jumpy" off the line.
I read this as meaning full of pi** and vinegar like a racehorse full of power ready to tear out of the post, the kind of torquey power I live for. It is amazing that you can't focus on a technical issue that may actually make a real difference in performance without a bunch of juvenile comments derailing the POST. You would almost think there was a conspiracy here trying to cover up the fact that boost is normally limited right when it should not be, right where it is needed most, extreme low rpms...

Tell the truth I need to know...I followed this Board's advice all the way back to PLUGS STAT & CHIP... Are you all a bunch of brake torque-ing banshees? Do you really floor the go pedal everytime you want to beat a lighter car at a stoplight...it ain't feasible and it ain't stealth. As much as I HATE imported cars, Mercedes makes an S65...serious ba**s to the walls performance...what over 700 horsepower from the factory (there is something to be said for obsessive over engineering). I am here to tell you that for the FIRST TIME EVER I felt the same performance at the same ultra low rpm when I removed the rubber vacuum hose...almost unlimited power.

Makes me want to design a blower for small blocks that only operates from 0-4000 rpm and then cuts out...why not give help right where the power band begs for it?:stupid:

[mercurymarauder]

Lidio seems to know a lot more about it than when I talked to him...

He acted like the bypass valve didn't exist and said anyone not happy
with the power and torque of the Trilogy kit was crazy (direct quote).
I think I heard this from his assistant (Jason?) also.

I think you are making my point Bradley when you say you don't get more torque...you get it sooner in the RPM band...EXACTLY...

This is the ultimate mod if you can safely and efficiently implement the
bypass bypass (?) I invite any Trilogy owner to try this and report back.
I was very surprised to see this cloud of smoke behind me...cause I NEVER EVER saw it before...especially at such a low rpm and speed. Funny how everyone had the same line, including Jerry Barnes...they "never heard of anyone not being satisfied with the power of the supercharger kit". Well they can't say that anymore!:puke:

[Joe Walsh]

you don't get more torque...you get it sooner in the RPM band...EXACTLY...

This is the ultimate mod if you can safely and efficiently implement the
bypass bypass (?) I invite any Trilogy owner to try this and report back.
I was very surprised to see this cloud of smoke behind me...cause I NEVER EVER saw it before...especially at such a low rpm and speed. Funny how everyone had the same line, including Jerry Barnes...they "never heard of anyone not being satisfied with the power of the supercharger kit". Well they can't say that anymore!:puke:


"you don't get more torque".....?????.......HUH??????

There is more torque throughout the rpm band and LOTS more torque down low....why don't you look at any Trilogy S/C Marauder dyno graph to confirm this.

If you couldn't smoke your tires WITH EASE at ANY rpm in first gear with a Trilogy S/C you don't have it tuned correctly.

The Eaton blower supplies the MOST low end torque of ANY form of S/C.

I really don't know what your Marauder's problem is, but needing to 'bypass your bypass' to get bottom end torque, and burn rubber sounds like :bs:.

Like someone already said: Why don't you install a 514 cid Big block and quit whining about your Trilogy's "lack of torque".

[RCSignals]

Just when I say something positive, Zack is back at personal insults
instead of discussing a very real and inexpensive mod. I guess you are all happy with the current system of flooring the gas pedal through thousands
of rpm to get any semblance of power. I hate the delay and the long wind-up...I strongly believe the 3000 stall torque converter prevents the engine
from getting real pull until 3000 rpm also...but that will be soon fixed.

Instead of personal rants, why not use science and with a Trilogy kit equipped Marauder just pull the hose and drive it for a few minutes, then let's get together and figure out how to make it safe and IDIOT-proof (tough with Zack around). Remember you will lose vacuum so don't be surprised if your brake light goes on...don't get killed...clamp off the hose instead of leaving it lose vacuum.

Hey Zack you are right about everything but where did you get TEACHER from? Excuse me for giving my mom (diagnosed with cancer) a few free maybe LAST vacations by letting her come along...real classy guy...and I think he actually knew about this. And oh yeah it really is a Trilogy, I was nice enough to bail Zack's butt out when he was stuck with his used Trilogy and everyone was afraid to buy it due to his modification mentality.

Just try the mod before you give up on the idea.

:censor:

Science is based on fact and reality.

Post up all your Eaton and other 'experts' emails, complete with headers.

Post up photos of your set up

You bought your set up from Greg, and thought you were getting a FIT Roots type prototype. You posted about it in your ever Troll fashion, even posting you thought you were getting a twin screw. No pun intended.

[MM2004]

Science is based on fact and reality.

Post up all your Eaton and other 'experts' emails, complete with headers.

Post up photos of your set up

You bought your set up from Greg, and thought you were getting a FIT Roots type prototype. You posted about it in your ever Troll fashion, even posting you thought you were getting a twin screw. No pun intended.

These are good points.

Let us see with digital images, what you are referring to.

Copy/Paste the communications you shared with many supporting this setup.

The issue I have is all of this extra torque down low you speak of isn't doing a damn bit of good unless you can put it to the ground. And keep it there.

Tire shreading is cool, but doesn't win races.

I have driven both Billy and Mac's Marauders.

Two different type blowers, and the torque was very much there as soon as I touched the accelerator(s).

Mike.

[O's Fan Rich]

I know that I certainly don't need to power brake to smoke the tires.
So.... I'm waiting for more info here.

[mercurymarauder]

OK Joe...what rpm range do you get real torque? You seem to be from the school of thought that "Anyone not happy with the power of a Trilogy is crazy". Well I am not the only one who drove it. I going to be objective here...EVERYONE who drove this properly tuned Trilogy equipped Marauder said it was a d-o-g UNLESS you put the accelerator to the floor...Don't start with gas mileage and driveability issues...this car has no real power until 3000 rpm, especially the low end torque it needs to move this two ton + mass (when I say low end torque I mean @ 1500 rpm...that is what makes me happy...drive an S65 sometime and see what I mean...I just have this rule about BUY AMERICAN) My DYNO is 450 hp...I have a racing fuel pump
in the tank with 39 lb injectors...removing this little black rubber vacuum hose UNLEASHES THE BEAST! The Trilogy...for your information...is purposefully designed to limit boost until AT LEAST HALF THROTTLE or 3000 rpm (this is my problem...I want it immediately). And believe me if a 514 engine would fit easily it would have been in long ago...gas mileage be damned. There is a difference between touching the accelerator and flooring it...before removing this black rubber vacuum hose (passenger side Trilogy next to round black half dollar sized device) I needed at least half throttle to have "performance".

Now for RC...funny you should question my knowledge of science...ahem...if you only knew...I don't post private emails without peoples consent...especially with the headers intact, however our buddy Gilligan (AKA ZACK...AKA BIGMOUTH) has seen the proof of these modifications and has already acknowledged this earlier in the POST. Everyone is so apparently threatened...why not just try the MOD and report back? RC wants me to POST a photo of my "set-up" WHAT SET-UP??? You pull the damn rubber hose off case closed easiest cheapest mod ever and you have a Marauder on Steroids...I actually smile while driving it...and it takes a lot to impress me. I did not buy my set-up from Greg...I bought it from ZACK and it is apparently in perfect condition except for a warranty that Jerry took away from him (unless set-up to you means installation?)

Bottom line there is no reason not to have all the boost all the time...in fact the way the Trilogy was set up it gave me boost exactly when I didn't need it... For those of you wishing to risk your lives over 80 mph, count me out...there are more fun ways to go. Hell the Marauder always had good top end from the factory...it needed initial grunt. I still maintain that this does it. Don't knock it until you tried it.:argue::burnout::mad2::conf used:

[Rider90]

I think we've heard enough (No offense) we're just looking for some validity to your statements about Eaton, etc..

[RF Overlord]

I'm just going to add one comment here:

Bypassing the bypass actuator is something you will do AT YOUR OWN RISK.

As of right now, we have one person's statement that Eaton engineers have approved this mod. We have NO documentation or reliable confirmation of this.

*EDIT*

I'm a little confused...mercurymarauder seems to say over and over that he's tired of waiting for boost. MY Trilogy gives me boost immediately...what am I doing wrong?

[KillJoy]

Who tuned this car?

Have they tuned Trilogy MM's in the past?

Have you driven anyone else's Trilogy equipped Marauder?

KillJoy

[blackf0rk]

I'm a little confused...mercurymarauder seems to say over and over that he's tired of waiting for boost. MY Trilogy gives me boost immediately...what am I doing wrong?

I think what he's trying to say is that he doesn't have to floor the vehicle to get it in boost. I think that statement isn't a technical one, since I can get it into boost without flooring it, but I certainly cannot get my 13psi monster into a ton of boost without flooring it. I think this is his point...:confused:

[Rider90]

I think what he's trying to say is that he doesn't have to floor the vehicle to get it in boost. I think that statement isn't a technical one, since I can get it into boost without flooring it, but I certainly cannot get my 13psi monster into a ton of boost without flooring it. I think this is his point...:confused:
How do you have 13.5 PSI and less than 400 RWHP? Is 13.5 PSI the 2.8? Just askin :beer:

[Drewstang]

I'm confused. Do I need to go pull the vaccum line or not?

[KillJoy]

I'm confused. Do I need to go pull the vaccum line or not?


No. Not unless you want a Dunce Cap.

:D

KillJoy

[RCSignals]

I'm confused. Do I need to go pull the vaccum line or not?


NO

Not unless you want to part of 'Pete's' experiment.

[Drewstang]

Ok, just checking.

[DEFYANT]

mercurymarauder,

You come onto this site out of the blue and right away go right to the heart of what bugs this community the most - Supercharger discussions. And with some left handed modification to an Eaton blower that *nobody* here has heard of before. Oh, and best part is... the Trilogy / Eaton set up primary selling point is the immediate HP and TQ, known by most of the members here, to be down low in the RPMs - and you seem to attack it. Two threads started by a guy whos post count, (at the time this thread was started) was "3". That seems agenda driven.

Have you raised this question on any other message boards?

If your legit, your timing sucks. But I'll stick to my gut on this and raise the :troll: flag on you for now.

You do not have an ounce of credibility here.

:sleepy:

[blackf0rk]

How do you have 13.5 PSI and less than 400 RWHP? Is 13.5 PSI the 2.8? Just askin :beer:

Stock exhaust, and a stock intake will do that to ya :( Next year my numbers will be better - a lot better :)

[Raudermaster]

This is a good thread. Now I know what NOT to do if I ever buy a Trilogy. And seriously, if you can't spin your tires down low, you car/tune sucks. Hell, I can smoke my tires from a dead stop with ease.

[Rider90]

Stock exhaust, and a stock intake will do that to ya :( Next year my numbers will be better - a lot better :)
You'll get her up to par, I know you will :burnout: :D

[Rider90]

For those that remember - This is the guy who authored one of the most viewed and posted-in threads of all time on MM.Net. It all started out as a rant as he was leaving the site, and I believe the thread was deleted not too long ago - or atleast I cannot find it. It originated back in the Logan days and was revived - was it the birth of buttermilk?? :beer:

[RCSignals]

For those that remember - This is the guy who authored one of the most viewed and posted-in threads of all time on MM.Net. It all started out as a rant as he was leaving the site, and I believe the thread was deleted not too long ago - or atleast I cannot find it. It originated back in the Logan days and was revived - was it the birth of buttermilk?? :beer:


Yes, the BUTTERMILK thread. He was actually banned then. He reappeared again a short time ago in the FIT forum ranting on about the wonderful FIT prototype twin screw he was getting.
Banned again then as well.


Now where is Teamrope? ;) :D

[DEFYANT]

Alright! Who here does not like boobies?

[Breadfan]

Legit or not it's a VERY poor way to bring up a discussion on an idea for a mod or change, especially suggesting to folks they should just do the change and go drive and that this is the way to test that it works.

For any Trilogy owners thinking about this, DON'T. Call Trilogy or call Lidio and discuss it with them. I'm not saying it can't be real, but I just don't want to see people running out to the drive way pulling vacuum lines after reading something on a forum. Regardless of whether or not this is the actuator bypass trick, the only ones who know how the tunes use this feature are Trilogy and Lidio.

I'd trust Trilogy and Lidio, the designers and tuners of the kit.

[DEFYANT]

Legit or not it's a VERY poor way to bring up a discussion on an idea for a mod or change, especially suggesting to folks they should just do the change and go drive and that this is the way to test that it works.

For any Trilogy owners thinking about this, DON'T. Call Trilogy or call Lidio and discuss it with them. I'm not saying it can't be real, but I just don't want to see people running out to the drive way pulling vacuum lines after reading something on a forum. Regardless of whether or not this is the actuator bypass trick, the only ones who know how the tunes use this feature are Trilogy and Lidio.

I'd trust Trilogy and Lidio, the designers and tuners of the kit.

Bingo! Someone would have a great laugh if one of us did that and blew something up. This whole thread is a farse and should be deleted before a site customer see this, does not read the warnings and screws up his car.

Love or hate the Trilogy Marauders - this thread is :bs:. Admin has gotten away from the button pushing, and thats a good thing. But this is one of those thread that should be considered for the nuke button. IMO.

[RCSignals]

Alright! Who here does not like boobies?

I can't imagine. I did get to see them though :beer:

[RCSignals]

Bingo! Someone would have a great laugh if one of us did that and blew something up. This whole thread is a farse and should be deleted before a site customer see this, does not read the warnings and screws up his car.

Love or hate the Trilogy Marauders - this thread is :bs:. Admin has gotten away from the button pushing, and thats a good thing. But this is one of those thread that should be considered for the nuke button. IMO.

Yes

Or maybe moved to a 'junk posts' forum

[DEFYANT]

I can't imagine. I did get to see them though :beer:

Excellent. I know it wasn't Mike Poore, those were his favorite milk duds. :D

[Richy04]

I am a newby here as well and I cant understand why you would want to throw someone off the forum for having a different opinion. Just sounds "commy" like to me.. Just ban him from your own posts or do not read his replies. But to request he be banned for not agreeing is not cool at all.

Richy 04

[RCSignals]

I am a newby here as well and I cant understand why you would want to throw someone off the forum for having a different opinion. Just sounds "commy" like to me.. Just ban him from your own posts or do not read his replies. But to request he be banned for not agreeing is not cool at all.

Richy 04

Sorry Richy It's not just an 'opinion' There is a history here.
His current incarnation may not have many posts, but it doesn't mean he's a newby like you.

Doesn't matter though since it seems he's being left on for now.

[mercurymarauder]

but liberals ARE an extremely intolerant bunch...

OK...let's review...no one is forcing anyone to remove their
vacuum hose to test this MOD...I spoke to Lidio and Jerry Barnes
who "never heard of anyone not happy with the power of their kit"...

OK...I was unhappy to the point I didn't drive it...I want power as soon
as I touch the go pedal...I am not waiting for 3000 rpm. I certainly spent
enough money to enjoy the car the way I want it. So I asked around and found out that this is a magnacharger or eaton 112 kit (?) Hell I am posting at 3:46 AM so I can't remember... The people that originally MANUFACTURED and DESIGNED this kit know about the problem and suggested this MOD...will I name names? Zack knows but the people that emailed me never thought they were going public and I will release them from any liability. I will call it friendly advice from people IN THE KNOW.
These are not people that made this fit...these are people who actually engineer the stuff and sell it to people like Jerry Barnes who make it fit and look nice under the hood of a Marauder.

So I suggest you ignore new knowledge and ideas if you must or put on your big boy pants and try pulling the black rubber vacuum hose and clamping it off and drive in a safe empty parking lot for a few minutes. I think you might live and I think the car won't far apart and you might see what we are missing at ultra low rpm (without boost) that was put there to ensure "driveability" ...I hate the word driveability...in other words make it idiotproof so an amateur won't rear end someone with immediate power and the car won't jump off the line. Put the rubber hose back on and you tried something new and can comment on it INTELLIGENTLY here. We used to be all about solving the car's inherent weaknesses...now we are all about protecting vendors and name-calling.

What's immediate power for you? 3000 rpm? I think that is what the stall converter mod did for us...I prefer real down low power at just over idle...when you feel that PULL you will not want to go back until you figure a way to make it permanent IMHO. I know someone tried the MOD by now...please post your objective opinion...the only reason the bypass is there is for driveability and gas mileage from what I gathered

And to anyone that wants to call me an IDIOT...I challenge you to sit next to me and take any five IQ tests and we can average out the results and post them here. Unlike others I am open to new ideas and am willing to test them. Bradley had this condition by accident and his only caveat was not to REDLINE the engine (when is that ever a good idea?)

And FYI the "buttermilk thread" was initially about Ms. Terri Schiavo who was starved and dehydrated to death by her "legal husband who had another woman and two kids while 'married' and an INSURANCE policy to collect when Terri was legally dead" ...all this while her parents begged to pay for her continued hospitalization and were denied being allowed to give her a drink of water by police. What happened to her is illegal in Florida...IF you are a dog or a cat. :eek:

[Raudermaster]

OK...I was unhappy to the point I didn't drive it...I want power as soon
as I touch the go pedal...I am not waiting for 3000 rpm. am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm am not waiting for 3000 rpm

Do you see that. Hmm.....3000 rpm......THEN CHANGE THE *****ING CONVERTER! How hard is that to understand???? Even you said so yourself you were going back to a lower stall. DO IT! And stop trying to brain wash all the Trilogy owners into doing this ridiculous sounding idea.

[Raudermaster]

And for the record, a Magnacharger is a COMPLETELY different kit. Ask Jay over at JLT, he'll tell you since he has one. So, are you even for real if you THOUGHT you had a magnacharger on your MM or what?? I don't know how you can get the two confused.

[Raudermaster]

And you want to talk about intelligence? Try using a few punctuation marks in your sentences.

[O's Fan Rich]

And to anyone that wants to call me an IDIOT...I challenge you to sit next to me and take any five IQ tests and we can average out the results and post them here.

I know of a guy with an IQ over 200.... can't tie his own shoe.
I have/had an old friend who scored 190 on those test's, couldn't balance a checkbook or keep his day to day life in order ( The Corp took care of that!! He's better now.)
Hell even I scored a 149 in High School, but people still think I'm an idiot!
So..... there you go.
Post up some pictures for us.Show us some dyno graphs. Name names, and post your proof's that back up your hypothesis. Come on, anyone writing a college papaer has to prove out their ideas.
Asking someone to go against what is deemed common sense without such proofs is unproductive and futile. Those of us who have invested in a Trilogy spent a lot of money and time choosing them. We don't wish to blow it up.
If this is a good mod... some may do so.
But, until I see your proof. I remain skeptical. If that adds to my idiocy... so be it!

[Haggis]

Why? For being out on the edge and voicing an opinion?

I'm beginning to really like this guy! He takes a path less travelled and is not afraid to voice an opinion. I wish a lot more of you would be like this.

Yep, not afraid to change things and go out on a limb..

I like that.

:D

John

I have to agree with John on this one, this is what this site is about trying new and different things. If he blows his engine or not at least he is trying something outside the box and that is where we all started when this site first opened.

[magindat]

OK, from an NA owner...

I am a bit confused.

1) To me, power is NOTHING without control. If you smoke tires from 1500 RPM, how could you possible control the car on street or track?! Sure, I've built car with hydraulics and cars for Db drags that can't even drive under their own power. They are show car trailer queens. If this is the goal with tire smoking from 1500, then cool. I, for one, would not like to drive a car like that, nor would I endanger passengers with it. Great for a 'show car' bad for a daily.

2) Our motors are not variable cam profile/variable valve, so why would you want to force feed a motor which was designed to breathe higher in the RPM band? I mean the motor is MADE to rev. It WANTS to rev.

3) I like the range of pedal for control. The car is perfectly normal and fine until you drop the hammer. That's wonderful! A perfectly well behaved 4 door sedan until you spank it!

4) Heritage. The the spirit of the Marauder even from the early days was a luxury car CAPABLE of performance, not a stripped down tire smoking monster!

5) I have posted mod ideas myself. Some like it. Some don't. I usually back the mod with one or more of the following: personal experience, photos, other driver's opinions (after they actually drive the car). I have even gone so far as to sell cheap and GIVE AWAY prototypes of mod ideas. So, this said, I think some digital photos are in order.

6) Without backup, for example, a before and after dyno or photos or video or even copies of your emails, please don't try to get unsuspecting, less technically inclined members to do a foolish modification that puts their INVESTMENT in jeopardy. For many, this is their DAILY, for others, their one and only hobby, for all, their pride and joy. Have some respect for what folks have worked hard to earn.

7) And perhaps most important... this reply is written in a smooth, calm and diplomatic tone. Come back on me with ranting and freaking out without some real backup and every mod and owner on this board will get a PM from me asking for a ban. Please read carefully and understand the above info. Post your opinion. Post your evidence. Be diplomatic or be gone.

Respectfully,
Magindat

[magindat]

I have to agree with John on this one, this is what this site is about trying new and different things. If he blows his engine or not at least he is trying something outside the box and that is where we all started when this site first opened.

I agree with John also regarding a perhaps cutting edge mod. I disagree with throwing it out there for the less technically inclined to try as if it's proven and supported (as purported by his posts) and blow their motors.

He's going on and on about his tuning friend. Lets see a few graphs!

[TooManyFords]

I agree with John also regarding a perhaps cutting edge mod. I disagree with throwing it out there for the less technically inclined to try as if it's proven and supported (as purported by his posts) and blow their motors.

He's going on and on about his tuning friend. Lets see a few graphs!

As with any mod posted, it should be clearly understood by now that the old slogan "YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary)" should apply. If we've learned anything from people like BillyG is that -someone- has to try it first and then report what they found.

It is so easy to be led by a few that many just become lemmings... I guess what I'm trying to say to everyone is, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

And as far as his mod is concerned, he has it setup exactly like I do. My 6-71 does not have a bypass valve so I can totally relate to the way Dyers wanted to set it up. I don't get immediate boost like he does but that is because of the way I had my blower configured. I'm sure if I would have gone with the nylon tipped lobes that I would be.

And I too would like to see the dyno charts. Not because I don't believe him but because I want to learn something new. I guess that's the difference.

Cheers

John

[TooManyFords]

Oh, and BTW, everyone should invest in holy water or something... I just got quoted as "The Voice of Reason" twice in this thread!!

THE END OF THE WORLD IS UPON US!

:D :D :D

John

[Haggis]

THE END OF THE WORLD IS UPON US!

:D :D :D

John

It's about time, I've been waiting for this day to come.

For I am the '5th Horseman', I am 'Purgatory'!!!!

[mercurymarauder]

What I really truly don't understand is why anyone wouldn't try this mod just for a few minutes before going off on a abusive debate... I didn't say cut anything off...I didn't say major surgery...I said pull one rubber hose off for just a few minutes... I even said try it in a parking lot.

It has become increasingly evident that we may just have different driving styles and expectations. I don't want a car I have to FLOOR to get power. If I am at a stoplight next to a pathetic econobox or a ricer with attitude...I just want to school him in American muscle so I need power I can control at low rpms...flooring at from 0-35 at every stop doesn't make sense. If you can't control the power put your governor back on, throw out the chip, and wear a crash helmet, because this is for real drivers who understand mass and inertial forces.

You want charts and graphs, I won't waste resources to prove what I already know. And when I say SEAT-OF-THE -PANTS I mean it...this ain't one of those mods where you get ten horsepower you will never feel. I literally added eighty pounds of torque, one thousand rpm lower...AMAZING! By far the easiest and most satisfying mod ever. Is it safe for the longterm? Let's discuss this rationally. If not...it didn't cost a thing...just put the hose back on for GOD's sake...no tools no mechanical aptitude needed. This is a safe experiment if you test it out for a few minutes and don't redline the tachometer.:argue:

As far as the "genius" who doesn't like my punctuation, I am writing informally as in casual speech. If you can read it like that the information flows easily like friendly banter. I have NEVER been accused of not having mastered the language.:burnout:

[Blackened300a]

Finally my car feels right...it took 15,000 miles and hundreds of differing opinions...but I dare a Trilogy owner just to pull off the black rubber vacuum hose, plug it up and peel rubber for blocks at 1500 rpm!


The test would to remove the rubber vacuum hose.
This is a proven system and method...promise it works.


Instead of personal rants, why not use science and with a Trilogy kit equipped Marauder just pull the hose and drive it for a few minutes
Just try the mod before you give up on the idea.


I am here to tell you that for the FIRST TIME EVER I felt the same performance at the same ultra low rpm when I removed the rubber vacuum hose...almost unlimited power.


This is the ultimate mod if you can safely and efficiently implement the
bypass bypass (?) I invite any Trilogy owner to try this and report back.
I was very surprised to see this cloud of smoke behind me...cause I NEVER EVER saw it before...especially at such a low rpm and speed.


Everyone is so apparently threatened...why not just try the MOD and report back? RC wants me to POST a photo of my "set-up" WHAT SET-UP??? You pull the damn rubber hose off case closed easiest cheapest mod ever and you have a Marauder on Steroids...I actually smile while driving it...and it takes a lot to impress me.


So I suggest you ignore new knowledge and ideas if you must or put on your big boy pants and try pulling the black rubber vacuum hose and clamping it off and drive in a safe empty parking lot for a few minutes. I think you might live and I think the car won't far apart and you might see what we are missing at ultra low rpm

"Going by your own words"
If you look at your past posts you said you have been driving this car for a month with the bypass removed and ranting and raving about the performance, you also mentioned that you were going to get a tune to make this mod safe but, you have failed to do that and you are still driving at full boost without a tune correct? (Which would also explain no dyno graph)
You then dare a trilogy owner to do this same mod by telling them to "put on their big boy pants" and try it out in a parking lot. In which you follow up with "I think you might live and I think the car wont fall apart"
WTF?? You even were so bold to promise that this mod works and you are impressed with the performance but now you think this mod will work without blowing the engine up??
I believe you would probably have to get the engine spinning to build any boost so how is it even possible to have full boost off of idle?? We forget about that?? The trilogy design is definitly more efficient in building boost faster down low then a Vortech or PIT but you still have to build up some RPM's!
Do us all a favor, get a camera and document your findings. Then post them up so you can prove it. It would also be wise to get your car on the dyno and produce a dyno graph for us to see exactly what the hell it is you are talking about.
Until then, BE GONE TROLL!

[mercurymarauder]

I might not get full boost but I get plenty of boost...for once in my life I have a reason to look at widened tires. Can I guarantee this mod won't damage your engine? No one guarantees mods on racing gear...you could have another issue go bad and blame it on this coincidentally. Just realize that Bradley had this happen BY ACCIDENT and Lidio told him only to watch for redline. Vacuums lose force and hoses leak and come off on their own.
This is not some crazy idea like take your oil out and see what happens.

For the brave among you, I challenge you to corroborate my findings. For those more technically inclined, what are the engineering obstacles involved in making this a permanent modification? Actually if I could wave a magic wand, my Marauder would get boost from 0-3000 rpm and then cut out. I accelerate hard on open streets not at crazy speeds on the highway. My method makes a car full of passengers have an "E ticket" ride when I launch onto an expressway entrance or off a stopped tollgate. All I can say is that there is a ton more power than before, nothing has gone wrong, other professionals suggested it to me...but in a litigious society TRY IT AT YOUR OWN RISK. Moderation is key until this is a proven method.:beer:

[KillJoy]

What I really truly don't understand is why anyone wouldn't try this mod just for a few minutes before going off on a abusive debate... I didn't say cut anything off...I didn't say major surgery...I said pull one rubber hose off for just a few minutes... I even said try it in a parking lot. - Reasoning = It is not supported by the manufacturer of the product. It is not proven safe, through testing and documentation. There is no documentation, befor or after, proviing ANY gains.

It has become increasingly evident that we may just have different driving styles and expectations. I don't want a car I have to FLOOR to get power. If I am at a stoplight next to a pathetic econobox or a ricer with attitude...I just want to school him in American muscle so I need power I can control at low rpms...flooring at from 0-35 at every stop doesn't make sense. If you can't control the power put your governor back on, throw out the chip, and wear a crash helmet, because this is for real drivers who understand mass and inertial forces.

You want charts and graphs, I won't waste resources to prove what I already know. And when I say SEAT-OF-THE -PANTS I mean it...this ain't one of those mods where you get ten horsepower you will never feel. I literally added eighty pounds of torque, one thousand rpm lower...AMAZING! A simple Dyno Graph the the original configuration, and your new setup WILL SHOW if/when and where any changes occur. By far the easiest and most satisfying mod ever. Is it safe for the longterm? Let's discuss this rationally. If not...it didn't cost a thing...just put the hose back on for GOD's sake...no tools no mechanical aptitude needed. This is a safe experiment if you test it out for a few minutes and don't redline the tachometer.:argue:

There. I ansewered your questions. So, at this point, until you provide a Dyno Graph, pre and post mod, you have nothing else to say. From here on out, you are stating YOUR opinion. Now...back it up. ;)

KillJoy

[DEFYANT]

TMF and Haggis,

Guys you are correct in that trying new things with the Marauder is part of what the site is about. But really, does this sound logical to you? Haggis, if some stranger came in with a KB MM bragging about how great his car runs with the boost bypass removed and in less than 13 posts could only back up his findings with "SEAT OF THE PANTS" feelings, would you run out to the nearest open parking lot to try his new idea?

And dont say you'd try it on Chris'! She is watching you! :D

Seriously, I don't come down on anyone around here. I smell a rat. If I am wrong I'll recant and apologize. I am man enough to do that. Until we have something to support this guys claim, I am sticking to my gut.

Ok Mr. MM,

If you do not want to get a proper dyno tune, take digital photos, post up emails or documents, how about a get together with known and respected members of the board to see your car doing this and report back on the findings. I'd really like to hear some *real* proof of what your reporting here.

Without the above, you have no credibility and you goal appears to be an attempt to mislead. And keeping the content of the info truthful and based on fact is (should be) the job of managment. Unless the goal is to do something else....?

One more thing Mr.MM, you have been around here for awhile. Since you know about the buttermilk threads and Terry Shrivo (sp?) thread.

Who are you - really? I suspect this is another member playing a game from behind a different screen name.

[Raudermaster]

*Schiavo ;).

[Haggis]

TMF and Haggis,

Guys you are correct in that trying new things with the Marauder is part of what the site is about. But really, does this sound logical to you? Haggis, if some stranger came in with a KB MM bragging about how great his car runs with the boost bypass removed and in less than 13 posts could only back up his findings with "SEAT OF THE PANTS" feelings, would you run out to the nearest open parking lot to try his new idea?

And dont say you'd try it on Chris'! She is watching you! :D


Try it on Chris', great idea Charlie. I'll tell her you suggested it. ;)

No I would not, but in the beginning someone had to start somewhere. If MM is getting the desired results he wants, more power to him. Just because he jumps off a bridge without a shut and states; 'Man o man what a rush. You got to try it', dosen't mean you have to. Let him state his opinion and if someone follows his lead they do it at their own risk.

I was one of the first with a S/C Marauder and I took that risk going in with my eyes open. No one told me; 'Hey man you got to S/C your Marauder for more power.' I already new that when I test drove one and it was a dog in stock form. And if I blow an engine it is my fault and no one else's.

My point being is do things that satisfy you and only you and follow the leader at your own risk.

[TooManyFords]

Guys you are correct in that trying new things with the Marauder is part of what the site is about. But really, does this sound logical to you?

Yes, it does. I'm sure the only reason there is a bypass valve at all on this is to attempt to keep the MPG's close to factory. Can you imagine the appeal of a kit that advertised 400HP and 8 MPG? Ok, besides appealing to just me?


John

[TooManyFords]

If you do not want to get a proper dyno tune, take digital photos, post up emails or documents, how about a get together with known and respected members of the board to see your car doing this and report back on the findings. I'd really like to hear some *real* proof of what your reporting here.

Without the above, you have no credibility and you goal appears to be an attempt to mislead. And keeping the content of the info truthful and based on fact is (should be) the job of managment. Unless the goal is to do something else....?

And I personally think you're way out of line with this sort of accusations. You have no evidence to prove him wrong so why be so negative?

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't need to tune the car for this mod either. The engine speeds we're talking about should easily be compensated for in the MAF Transfer Function and supply any needed fuel by the increased air flow, regardless of RPM. The default Trilogy tune is "over-engineered" to the safe side to begin with.

If I had one I would have already run out to the street to try it! But, seeing my blower is ALREADY the same, I can back up his claim.

Maybe I'm not "respected" by my peers?

:confused:

john

[prchrman]

Mercurymarauder...do you have a A/F gauge in your car? If so do tell what you are reading...willie

[larryo340]

Mercurymarauder...do you have a A/F gauge in your car? If so do tell what you are reading...willie

:concur: can anyone say LEAN

[DEFYANT]

Yes, it does. I'm sure the only reason there is a bypass valve at all on this is to attempt to keep the MPG's close to factory. Can you imagine the appeal of a kit that advertised 400HP and 8 MPG? Ok, besides appealing to just me?


John


And I personally think you're way out of line with this sort of accusations. You have no evidence to prove him wrong so why be so negative?

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't need to tune the car for this mod either. The engine speeds we're talking about should easily be compensated for in the MAF Transfer Function and supply any needed fuel by the increased air flow, regardless of RPM. The default Trilogy tune is "over-engineered" to the safe side to begin with.

If I had one I would have already run out to the street to try it! But, seeing my blower is ALREADY the same, I can back up his claim.

Maybe I'm not "respected" by my peers?

:confused:

john


Your not seeing the big picture. Maybe his idea has merit. Perhaps if this was someone we knew, this would not seem so far out. But he shows up and expects us to run outside and bypass the bypass?? Sorry, I think not. That is a pretty big leap of faith based on a noobs idea. Nevermind the drama that seems to surround Trilogy kit 147 since day one!

John, you've been around here for awhile so ca'mon man, "not respected by your peers"? Spare me the search, but did you show up here and immediatly dismantle your Marauder and rebuild it to it's current state? Most noobs show up and introduce themselves. I've read many of the tech discussions between you and the other members across several internet BBs. You earned you credibilty and respect regarding this car.

Most noobs aren't banned by Admin one or three times then out of the blue - allowed to come back. Remember Supercharger Accelleration thread he put up. I do. It was deleted and he was call a troll by ADMIN! But then *poof* he is allowed to continue. I watched it happen bro!

The common thread here (pun intended) is to attack this particular method of supercharging.

Look at the totallity of the circumstances I posted above.

[Zack]

Boo Hoo Jerry Barnes aint here anymore.
He can say what he wants.
Get over it.
He's a real person and right or wrong, he did something to his car that is far out of the 'Trilogy Box'. A box the whole collective is so tight knit about, it clouds your minds most of the time.
Good day.

[DEFYANT]

Boo Hoo Jerry Barnes aint here anymore.
He can say what he wants.
Get over it.
He's a real person and right or wrong, he did something to his car that is far out of the 'Trilogy Box'. A box the whole collective is so tight knit about, it clouds your minds most of the time.
Good day.


Even you have more credibility then this guy Zack. Why can't he back up his claim or test and prove his idea? The more I think about this, the more I think, it is not the idea, more like the place it is coming from.

Truthfully, would you do this? Does your Kenne Bell have a boost bypass?

[Zack]

His PCV system will be working overtime, yes.
The difference is, a Roots blower is a big metal box and can handle extra pressure when you let off the gas, hell it can go back out the air filter if it has to, but will backwash the MAF.

A centrifugal car will blow all the collars off the pipes. And the compressed air cant move backward past the supercharger..

As for hurting internal parts, I really dont know cause Ive never heard of a related failure.

[Zack]

Even you have more credibility then this guy Zack. Why can't he back up his claim or test and prove his idea? The more I think about this, the more I think, it is not the idea, more like the place it is coming from.

Truthfully, would you do this? Does your Kenne Bell have a boost bypass?

Not to gloat, but Im pretty much an authority when it comes to this car.

My credibility was never in question.
People may not like what I have to say, oh well.

[TooManyFords]

His PCV system will be working overtime, yes.
The difference is, a Roots blower is a big metal box and can handle extra pressure when you let off the gas, hell it can go back out the air filter if it has to, but will backwash the MAF.

A centrifugal car will blow all the collars off the pipes. And the compressed air cant move backward past the supercharger..

As for hurting internal parts, I really dont know cause Ive never heard of a related failure.

You're still thinking turbo or centrifugal... A roots doesn't need to reroute the boost when the throttles slam shut... It is all "post TB" boost so it exits through the engine.

Now, backfiring is something else entirely. In my case I need a pop-off valve on the intake so it doesn't launch my shiny bling a couple feet in the air. Not sure what a Trilogy would do but I'm guessing it would grenade the lower intake or lift the blower off the mounts without a bypass...

(so stop gloating...)

:P

John

[Zack]

^^^^What John said

[magindat]

When you let off the throttle, where's the air go? Ergo, you need a bypass...

[TooManyFords]

When you let off the throttle, where's the air go? Ergo, you need a bypass...

Let me answer that question with another question... What happens to the vacuum gauge when you let off the throttle? That's where the air goes...

:)

john

[RCSignals]

I have to agree with John on this one, this is what this site is about trying new and different things. If he blows his engine or not at least he is trying something outside the box and that is where we all started when this site first opened.


this true Gordon, except he hasn't given any proof whatsoever that he has actually done this.
He is asking others to be brave enough to try it, only on his word. Based on his past here, would you just go ahead and do this?

[mercurymarauder]

For the first time I can honestly say someday I will race you cause the Marauder I have now is only limited by traction at ANY rpm.

The next step is to ask a real authority, one who builds or installs superchargers for a living. I know several member who have safely
tried it for months (Bradley and me for starters). Be careful...but the idea
is out there. I am not knocking the brand or type of supercharger, I just want to be very clear that I was unhappy with the low rpm torque...I found out I had no boost at those rpms and I fixed it. You can do whatever you want, but I KNOW flooring the gas pedal at every stoplight used more gas than having boost to start with. Maybe you want to try it and take it easy for a while. Where are the engineers when I need them?


:burnout:

[Breadfan]

Where are the engineers when I need them?


:burnout:

We are here already and losing hair over this due to the lack of empirical data!

[Raudermaster]

Several others? Give us names; besides you and Bradley. And Brad did his un-intentionally.

[Bradley G]

To clarify my situation, My vacume line is connected to the bypass actuator, the small brass restrictor inside the end of the nipple, is no longer there.
This mod will make insta-boost, Peter and John are not ligging:P
I can document over 18mpg (no highway) with this set-up.
I admit , I liked it at first.
Now, I want my boost, "on call" :coolman:

[merc]

:popcorn: This is the best Memorial Day thread yet. :lol: All we need is some carnage and boobs. Put some hair around the bypass value and this would be a hit. :beer:

[mercurymarauder]

To clarify my situation, My vacume line is connected to the bypass actuator, the small brass restrictor inside the end of the nipple, is no longer there.
This mod will make insta-boost, Peter and John are not ligging:P
I can document over 18mpg (no highway) with this set-up.
I admit , I liked it at first.
Now, I want my boost, "on call" :coolman:


All the time I was buying and adding modifications due to reports of "seat of the pants" measurements and "an unbelievable difference...my Marauder is a totally new driving experience!" I never asked for empirical data. And none of the previous mods did anything IMHO...certainly nothing earth-shaking.

I would rather do this mod than buy a nitrous kit. If this mod weren't possible, I would get rid of everything under my hood and do a major engine rebuild including a big shoe horn to fit a larger displacement engine. Five minutes under your hood (ten for Zack) including four minutes to find the hose (?). Just drive it moderately for a few blocks, what is it going to cost you? There is an absolute day and night difference. I went from "this can't be right" to UNBELIEVABLE, WOW, WHAT A RIDE!

If you read the thread from the beginning you can see the strong feeling that "if you can't burn rubber at will with this supercharger something is wrong" and "the supercharger design already is known from low rpm performance". These are two schools I do not belong to. The power is not at a low enough rpm for ME. My supercharger was installed and is working properly and puts out more than 450 hp, all at the wrong power band for for ME. When I say low end power, I mean OVER IDLE RPM. It is not out of control, crazy power, but I imagine someone STUPID could easily rear end someone accelerating too quickly from a stoplight...I guess that is what is meant by "driveability issues"...(not idiot-proof).

[Dennis Reinhart]

This is a first. With the boost bypass disabled, will you be in boost all the time?

Not a mod for me, but keep us posted.


I agree, and it makes no sence at all, the bypass only works on De'acceleration not at WOT, with out a bypass the car will buck on slowdown that is what the bypass does is allow for the boost to bleed off. A bad bad bypass can cause a loss of power, but to remove it makes no sence at all period.

[Breadfan]

I would rather do this mod than buy a nitrous kit.

Most nitrous kits are designed with a throttle switch so they engage at WOT anyway.

[DEFYANT]

All the time I was buying and adding modifications due to reports of "seat of the pants" measurements and "an unbelievable difference...my Marauder is a totally new driving experience!" I never asked for empirical data. And none of the previous mods did anything IMHO...certainly nothing earth-shaking.

I would rather do this mod than buy a nitrous kit. If this mod weren't possible, I would get rid of everything under my hood and do a major engine rebuild including a big shoe horn to fit a larger displacement engine. Five minutes under your hood (ten for Zack) including four minutes to find the hose (?). Just drive it moderately for a few blocks, what is it going to cost you? There is an absolute day and night difference. I went from "this can't be right" to UNBELIEVABLE, WOW, WHAT A RIDE!

If you read the thread from the beginning you can see the strong feeling that "if you can't burn rubber at will with this supercharger something is wrong" and "the supercharger design already is known from low rpm performance". These are two schools I do not belong to. The power is not at a low enough rpm for ME. My supercharger was installed and is working properly and puts out more than 450 hp, all at the wrong power band for for ME. When I say low end power, I mean OVER IDLE RPM. It is not out of control, crazy power, but I imagine someone STUPID could easily rear end someone accelerating too quickly from a stoplight...I guess that is what is meant by "driveability issues"...(not idiot-proof).

If that is what you wanted, you should have done your homework better. Since you've been around this site for so long, you should have known what you were buying before you spent your money. The Trilogy kit is not designed to "burn rubber" at "over idle rpm".

Based on your statements, the Marauder is the wrong car for you.

[KillJoy]

Why is it too much to ask for you to get a before and after Dyno?

The Graphs WILL prove or disprove your concept. Without it, NO ONE here will give you credit.

Simple enough...

KillJoy

[TooManyFords]

I agree, and it makes no sence at all, the bypass only works on De'acceleration not at WOT, with out a bypass the car will buck on slowdown that is what the bypass does is allow for the boost to bleed off. A bad bad bypass can cause a loss of power, but to remove it makes no sence at all period.

I'm sure you're wrong like Zack was wrong in that you're thinking centrifugal... A bypass is not needed on deceleration since the engine generates vacuum as soon as the throttle blades are closed. No need to bleed off anything as the motor will generate instant vacuum at that point.

But you are correct that a bad bypass valve will reduce power due to the fact that it does not close and thereby not generating positive pressure.

John

[DefyantExWife]

Just when I say something positive, Zack is back at personal insults
instead of discussing a very real and inexpensive mod. I guess you are all happy with the current system of flooring the gas pedal through thousands
of rpm to get any semblance of power. I hate the delay and the long wind-up...I strongly believe the 3000 stall torque converter prevents the engine
from getting real pull until 3000 rpm also...but that will be soon fixed.

Instead of personal rants, why not use science and with a Trilogy kit equipped Marauder just pull the hose and drive it for a few minutes, then let's get together and figure out how to make it safe and IDIOT-proof (tough with Zack around). Remember you will lose vacuum so don't be surprised if your brake light goes on...don't get killed...clamp off the hose instead of leaving it lose vacuum.

Hey Zack you are right about everything but where did you get TEACHER from? Excuse me for giving my mom (diagnosed with cancer) a few free maybe LAST vacations by letting her come along...real classy guy...and I think he actually knew about this. And oh yeah it really is a Trilogy, I was nice enough to bail Zack's butt out when he was stuck with his used Trilogy and everyone was afraid to buy it due to his modification mentality.

Just try the mod before you give up on the idea.

:censor:


Mr. I'd like to step in and offer you a word of advice. If you mom has cancer and you want to take her out on some free vacations/trips, which may end up being her last.... please dont take her to car meets. Take her somewhere classier. How about... on a cruise , or... to Hawaii.... or... you get the picture.

God forbid in this scenario, my son decided to treat me to my last road trip... to a car meet, I'd bust his limbs off and shove 'em up his arse. :burnout:But that's just me.

[mercurymarauder]

Forget wide open throttle...I want power way before wide open throttle.

And it makes a TON of sense because without modifying the bypass the supercharger boost is only set to engage at half throttle or more (which is about 3000 rpm on the Marauder).

It worked for me. I am curious...who has a list of all the reasons the Trilogy kit had a bypass valve added? Driveability? Gas mileage? Please chime in.:beer:

[Zack]

I'm sure you're wrong like Zack was wrong in that you're thinking centrifugal... A bypass is not needed on deceleration since the engine generates vacuum as soon as the throttle blades are closed. No need to bleed off anything as the motor will generate instant vacuum at that point.

But you are correct that a bad bypass valve will reduce power due to the fact that it does not close and thereby not generating positive pressure.

John
And on that note....

Yet another inherent design flaw in that kit. :beer:

[mercurymarauder]

I'm sure you're wrong like Zack was wrong in that you're thinking centrifugal... A bypass is not needed on deceleration since the engine generates vacuum as soon as the throttle blades are closed. No need to bleed off anything as the motor will generate instant vacuum at that point.

But you are correct that a bad bypass valve will reduce power due to the fact that it does not close and thereby not generating positive pressure.

John


PURE INSPIRED GENIUS!!!:burnout:

[blackf0rk]

When vacuum is high (idle-cruising) the actuator opens the bypass valve, equalizing the vacuum pressure throughout the system. When boost is required (accelerating) the vacuum is decreased and the bypass valve instantly closes, causing pressure to increase into the cylinders. This equalized vacuum condition virtually eliminates the normal parasitic power loss of a forced induction system.

And taken from superchargersonline:


Compressor surge is a problem that affects most superchargers and develops when the supercharger is creating boost, but the throttle shaft is closed. Although not a problem on some low-boost (5psi or less) applications This condition can occur under deceleration or while shifting between gears, and can cause the car to sputter and chirp. Under surge, the compressor forces air into the closed throttle body until the pressure inside the throttle body is higher than the amount of pressure being created by the supercharger, and the air tries to pop backward through the supercharger. At that point, pressure is released inside the throttle body and the compressor forces air back through the supercharger and into the throttle body, which again has nowhere to go, and the process repeats. While surge normally is not highly damaging to the engine it is certainly annoying and can cause damage with time. To eliminate these problems under surge conditions, a bypass valve (http://www.superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=14) (sometimes called an anti-surge valve) is used to release the excess pressure. The bypass valve is actuated using intake manifold vaccuum, which opens the vent valve and releases pressure in the air-intake. Air is either released into the atmoshpere (blowoff valve) or recirculated back through the supercharger compressor (bypass valve).

[DefyantExWife]

:popcorn: This is the best Memorial Day thread yet. :lol: All we need is some carnage and boobs. Put some hair around the bypass value and this would be a hit. :beer:


oh there are boobs in this thread merc. :) and I dont mean mine. :lol:

[RCSignals]

Try it on Chris', great idea Charlie. I'll tell her you suggested it. ;)

No I would not, but in the beginning someone had to start somewhere. If MM is getting the desired results he wants, more power to him. Just because he jumps off a bridge without a shut and states; 'Man o man what a rush. You got to try it', dosen't mean you have to. Let him state his opinion and if someone follows his lead they do it at their own risk.

I was one of the first with a S/C Marauder and I took that risk going in with my eyes open. No one told me; 'Hey man you got to S/C your Marauder for more power.' I already new that when I test drove one and it was a dog in stock form. And if I blow an engine it is my fault and no one else's.

My point being is do things that satisfy you and only you and follow the leader at your own risk.

Gordon, if it was as simple as him saying this is what he's done and it makes him happy that would be it. However it isn' that simple, he's saying this is the solution for Trilogy equipped cars.

Yes you were early with a S/C. You didn't exactly go with a half-cocked unknown telling you to do it when you did though. you went with a well respected and proven speed shop.

[RCSignals]

Mr. I'd like to step in and offer you a word of advice. If you mom has cancer and you want to take her out on some free vacations/trips, which may end up being her last.... please dont take her to car meets. Take her somewhere classier. How about... on a cruise , or... to Hawaii.... or... you get the picture.

God forbid in this scenario, my son decided to treat me to my last road trip... to a car meet, I'd bust his limbs off and shove 'em up his arse. :burnout:But that's just me.

See, we really do like you.

One question though, for sake of your son's limbed future. What if he took you to a sparkly purple PT Cruiser car meet? :coolman:

[RCSignals]

When vacuum is high (idle-cruising) the actuator opens the bypass valve, equalizing the vacuum pressure throughout the system. When boost is required (accelerating) the vacuum is decreased and the bypass valve instantly closes, causing pressure to increase into the cylinders. This equalized vacuum condition virtually eliminates the normal parasitic power loss of a forced induction system.

And taken from superchargersonline:


Compressor surge is a problem that affects most superchargers and develops when the supercharger is creating boost, but the throttle shaft is closed. Although not a problem on some low-boost (5psi or less) applications This condition can occur under deceleration or while shifting between gears, and can cause the car to sputter and chirp. Under surge, the compressor forces air into the closed throttle body until the pressure inside the throttle body is higher than the amount of pressure being created by the supercharger, and the air tries to pop backward through the supercharger. At that point, pressure is released inside the throttle body and the compressor forces air back through the supercharger and into the throttle body, which again has nowhere to go, and the process repeats. While surge normally is not highly damaging to the engine it is certainly annoying and can cause damage with time. To eliminate these problems under surge conditions, a bypass valve (http://www.superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=14) (sometimes called an anti-surge valve) is used to release the excess pressure. The bypass valve is actuated using intake manifold vaccuum, which opens the vent valve and releases pressure in the air-intake. Air is either released into the atmoshpere (blowoff valve) or recirculated back through the supercharger compressor (bypass valve).
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Thank you. That is the explanation posted some time back. I couldn't find it though.

[mercurymarauder]

The Trilogy kit is not designed to "burn rubber" at "over idle rpm".

Based on your statements, the Marauder is the wrong car for you.


That is why we ALL modified it, right? And it works for ME, right?

Blackfork states "...when boost is required...the bypass valve instantly closes."
Well, I just require it a hell of a lot sooner...my car is quieter, smoother, and running like I have a V-10 under the hood. I LOVE IT

I encourage you to TRY IT...the way I suggested it is a very safe experiment. A lot of supercharger kits don't even have a bypass valve.
This is much safer on a Trilogy than a Centrifugal design, I believe.

But once again I have to ask, is anyone here who designs Trilogy type blowers and knows their engineering limitations? I have spoken to several people (want names?) who recommended and/or endorsed the logic behind this mod. Old style superchargers didn't have this mod, ran a bit rough, but were crazy total banshees full of torque from 0-30 mph and 0-60 mph.:puke: Just a few different opinions, from people who KNOW what they are talking about please. This is a fact you can test...the Trilogy supercharger is designed to give boost only under half throttle or more...without it you have essentially a normally aspirated (N/A) car...not what I paid for, in fact it has sabotaged my desires to have an engine that PULLS without flooring the gas pedal...just a tap instant power...every Marauder's dream, right?

[RCSignals]

That is why we ALL modified it, right? And it works for ME, right?

Blackfork states "...when boost is required...the bypass valve instantly closes."
Well, I just require it a hell of a lot sooner...my car is quieter, smoother, and running like I have a V-10 under the hood. I LOVE IT

I encourage you to TRY IT...the way I suggested it is a very safe experiment. A lot of supercharger kits don't even have a bypass valve.
This is much safer on a Trilogy than a Centrifugal design, I believe.

But once again I have to ask, is anyone here who designs Trilogy type blowers and knows their engineering limitations? I have spoken to several people (want names?) who recommended and/or endorsed the logic behind this mod. Old style superchargers didn't have this mod, ran a bit rough, but were crazy total banshees full of torque from 0-30 mph and 0-60 mph.:puke: Just a few different opinions, from people who KNOW what they are talking about please. This is a fact you can test...the Trilogy supercharger is designed to give boost only under half throttle or more...without it you have essentially a normally aspirated (N/A) car...not what I paid for, in fact it has sabotaged my desires to have an engine that PULLS without flooring the gas pedal...just a tap instant power...every Marauder's dream, right?


You require boost sooner than "instantly"?

You've told us you have thoroughly discussed this with Engineers and designers and with Jerry Barnes, and that you have loads of emails as proof.

We've been asking you to post up this proof, so yes, we want names and all of it.


Why don't you take this to the Trilogy forum. It's on another Marauder site. There you can discuss it further with the people
who designs Trilogy type blowers and knows their engineering limitations

You are just repeating yourself here and not offering any new or convincing data.

[TooManyFords]

When vacuum is high (idle-cruising) the actuator opens the bypass valve, equalizing the vacuum pressure throughout the system. When boost is required (accelerating) the vacuum is decreased and the bypass valve instantly closes, causing pressure to increase into the cylinders. This equalized vacuum condition virtually eliminates the normal parasitic power loss of a forced induction system.

And taken from superchargersonline:


This ^^ part talks about Roots, the second part of your qoute is about centrifugal and does not apply.

john

[mercurymarauder]

[quote=RCSignals;501708]You require boost sooner than "instantly"?


RC thinks INSTANTLY means 3000 rpm...I think instantly as when the driver TOUCHES the accelerator and demands total response and torque.:flamer:
Not out of control at all IF you know how to handle REAL power...as much as I hate imports the Mercedes S65 has exactly that feel (for $185,000!)


OK by now you know SOMEONE has tried it or asked someone VERY knowledgeable...please report.

[RCSignals]

This ^^ part talks about Roots, the second part of your qoute is about centrifugal and does not apply.

john

Reading it all again, and this
http://www.superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=14

it would appear that it does not just apply to centrifugal S/C

[Bradley G]

Are we calling this part, by the correct name?
I don't believe the vacume has to be eliminated (by blocking the line)I believe you can leave it connected, just remove the restrictor.
Like in my case.
I am not condoneing this mod.
I was warned by Lidio, not to be beating the snots out of it , in its current status.
He did not say exactly what the risks were,... I assume, Lean. :eek:

[RCSignals]

[quote=RCSignals;501708]You require boost sooner than "instantly"?


RC thinks INSTANTLY means 3000 rpm...I think instantly as when the driver TOUCHES the accelerator and demands total response and torque.:flamer:
Not out of control at all IF you know how to handle REAL power...as much as I hate imports the Mercedes S65 has exactly that feel (for $185,000!)


OK by now you know SOMEONE has tried it or asked someone VERY knowledgeable...please report.

No Instantly means instantly. As in the previously posted definition. YOU are the one who said you wanted it before instantly

You are the only one with the 3000 rpm hang up.

YOU supposedly have asked some VERY knowledgeable people, please report.

Go ask your questions in the Trilogy forum on the other Marauder board. We are all waiting.

[STLR FN]

Why do I get he feeling, as some others, this is nothing more than a smear campain against Trilogy. I've seen a few times MM you have referenced JB and the Trilogy name in a derogatory light. Not out right saying but more in the sublime.

Please sir to paraphrase "put up" dyno graphs 'or shut up". I've seen people on "both sides" of the S/C fence ask.

Sooner or later you'll grenade the engine and come back saying the Trilogy kit is garbage.

[Rider90]

Please sir to paraphrase "put up" dyno graphs 'or shut up". I've seen people on "both sides" of the S/C fence ask.

Sooner or later you'll grenade the engine and come back saying the Trilogy kit is garbage.
I could not have said it better myself.

All I see are pages of worthless ranting. We get your point, as some of us don't exactly agree, we ask that you bring more proof to the table than just words. I think all of us are tired of seeing you type. A dyno graph, A/F reading, E-mails from Eaton that you claim, give us something other than your opinion.

My intent isn't to sound short fused and rude, but please bring more to the table on this subject...

[RF Overlord]

mercurymarauder:

You've been asked, repeatedly, by multiple people, to "show us the money". Either give names of the people at Eaton to whom you claim you've spoken, or publish the e-mails you've gotten from them. Give us some tangible evidence that this mod isn't just your own fabrication, or take a hike. Our patience is wearing thin.

[O's Fan Rich]

mercurymarauder:

You've been asked, repeatedly, by multiple people, to "show us the money". Either give names of the people at Eaton to whom you claim you've spoken, or publish the e-mails you've gotten from them. Give us some tangible evidence that this mod isn't just your own fabrication, or take a hike. Our patience is wearing thin.

Yeah! And take back what you said about Zack, too.

[blackf0rk]

Everyone just stop posting to this guy about his "discovery" until he posts his proof. It's not commie - it's common sense.

mercurymaraduer - All you have to do is post your stuff and we'll all help you with your question - how to make it safe; if in fact it's legitimate and not absurd. Until then, logic dictates that this "mod" you speak of doesn't make any sense, and would cause more ruin than horsepower. Don't take it as an insult, just skepticism. We kindly await your findings...

[kj31067]

i m not supercharged , but i have been watching this thread and if this guy was serious he would post some sort of documentation ....i suspect he is looking for guinea pigs to back up some back yard idea he has.......i would nt bet my cash on it..
he is too persistent on others trying it....if he is happy so be it..smoke em off idle and have a nice life........why the persistent badgering to join him?.....and i would be willing to bet zack knows a whole butload more about this whole thread than he is willing to let on.....he wont be able to resist ....give him time:D

[KillJoy]

Ok... I just did this "mod" on my Trilogy Supercharged car.

After a few moments of "boost" my engine began knocking vigioursly. Now, the car will not even turn over. Your mod just blew up my engine. YOU owe me a new engine. Pony up...now!

KillJoy

[kj31067]

Ok... I just did this "mod" on my Trilogy Supercharged car.

After a few moments of "boost" my engine began knocking vigioursly. Now, the car will not even turn over. Your mod just blew up my engine. YOU owe me a new engine. Pony up...now!

KillJoy



are you serious?

[kj31067]

nawww. you are not.......mr air to air:D

[DEFYANT]

Why do I get he feeling, as some others, this is nothing more than a smear campain against Trilogy. I've seen a few times MM you have referenced JB and the Trilogy name in a derogatory light. Not out right saying but more in the sublime.

Please sir to paraphrase "put up" dyno graphs 'or shut up". I've seen people on "both sides" of the S/C fence ask.

Sooner or later you'll grenade the engine and come back saying the Trilogy kit is garbage.

+1

Mr.MM, you owe Killjoy a new motor. Good advise. :shake:

[CBT]

...where'd that bunny with the pancake on its head go....

[Drewstang]

Can I hold Mr Mercury Marauder personally acountable for any damage that occurs if I do this? Daddy needs a built shortblock to prep for the Twin Screw.

[TooManyFords]

Reading it all again, and this
http://www.superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=14

it would appear that it does not just apply to centrifugal S/C

No, that link referrs to a Vortech which is a centrifugal and it still does not apply.

Really. Trust me. I speak the truth.

John

[TooManyFords]

mercurymarauder:

You've been asked, repeatedly, by multiple people, to "show us the money". Either give names of the people at Eaton to whom you claim you've spoken, or publish the e-mails you've gotten from them. Give us some tangible evidence that this mod isn't just your own fabrication, or take a hike. Our patience is wearing thin.

Please don't speak for me. My patience is just fine.

His approach to sharing the info may be a little unorthodox but geez, let's all just get a rope and hang the guy!

So far, the only ones crying are Trilogy owners... Lighten up you babies!

John

[KillJoy]

Please don't speak for me. My patience is just fine.

His approach to sharing the info may be a little unorthodox but geez, let's all just get a rope and hang the guy!

So far, the only ones crying are Trilogy owners... Lighten up you babies!

John


I don't think he "spoke for you".

I want him to post up, or shut up......

KillJoy

[Rider90]

So far, the only ones crying are Trilogy owners... Lighten up you babies!

John
John,

But my panties are in a bunch :bigcry:

[TooManyFords]

John,

But my panties are in a bunch :bigcry:

LOL!

:P

john

[gpfarrell]

Are there any extra vacuum hoses that could be connected to reduce low end boost? :confused:

Even with 3.55 gears, stock exhaust, stock converter, and a class III hitch hanging under my car it's just spin-city at the strip.

But maybe I could bypass more boost and make the car faster?

[RCSignals]

I'm beginning to think Mr mercurymarauder is the same guy who owns the stock but wicked fast Sable. The one that can beat any Marauder.

[Paul]

boobies are? Pictures dammit!! And no pasties covering the good stuff.

[Rider90]

boobies are? Pictures dammit!! And no pasties covering the good stuff.
Again?

O.K. let me get the camera. Give me a minute.

[Blackened300a]

...where'd that bunny with the pancake on its head go....

Here you go.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q194/aj2929/pancake.jpg

[Raudermaster]

Hey that's mine!

[Blackened300a]

Hey that's mine!

Sorry, This one is more fitting

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/tryinmorning/51530673.jpg

[mercurymarauder]

Ok... I just did this "mod" on my Trilogy Supercharged car.

After a few moments of "boost" my engine began knocking vigioursly. Now, the car will not even turn over. Your mod just blew up my engine. YOU owe me a new engine. Pony up...now!

KillJoy


Sorry your motor was JUNK to begin with...:lol:

[RCSignals]

It's a conspiracy to keep tire burning torque from the little man.

[Raudermaster]

LOL jk man. I do like that one too.

[Raudermaster]

Motor was junk? We all have the same engine's sport..

[RCSignals]

Motor was junk? We all have the same engine's sport..

He's just eased back to his usual TROLL anti marauder mode.

I wonder if he still has his Sable, or maybe it was his mother's Sable.

[Joe Walsh]

JEEZ!

Can someone explain, in detail;

HOW the Trilogy bypass valve is designed, and HOW it is supposed to function?
(It wasn't included in the Trilogy S/C kit just to increase the cost of the system.)
I know that Jerry Barnes is no longer on this site.

What, exactly happens when you disconnect the vacuuum line and what are the effects and consequences?:confused:

That way we can all decide if this 'suggested mod' is viable or not.

:rolleyes:

[RCSignals]

JEEZ!

Can someone explain, in detail;

HOW the Trilogy bypass valve is designed, and HOW it is supposed to function?
(It wasn't included in the Trilogy S/C kit just to increase the cost of the system.)
I know that Jerry Barnes is no longer on this site.

What, exactly happens when you disconnect the vacuuum line and what are the effects and consequences?:confused:

That way we can all decide if this 'suggested mod' is viable or not.

:rolleyes:

This is why I asked mercurymarauder to take his question to the Trilogy forum on the other Marauder Board.
Looks like he's not going to, probably because he really doesn't want the answer.

(Jerry Barnes by the way is still a member here, just the Trilogy forum is gone.)

[mercurymarauder]

You guys are a funny bunch...

You really expect me to go PAY a dynotune to pre- and post- check a MOD I am comfortable with on my Marauder? I will eventually get another tune after I switch out the 3000 torque converter to one as low a stall as possible to see if this deals with the rpm lag also...

But you know what? I paid for and installed a lot of mods that were recommended here...and I am undoing a lot of them to get the Marauder the way I want it. You all seem to be happy on a racetrack flooring your gas pedal. Others, with a straight face, told me to brake torque the car after all my MODS (If I start naming MODS, I will be accused of "personally attacking vendors" here...so I won't go there). I have been caught napping at the stoplight, in the wrong gear at the wrong rpm (with OD off) and got a smirk from the little Honda that beat my Trilogy Marauder...with this MOD it doesn't happen anymore.

Am I attacking Trilogy? No, I just want it set-up differently and I don't want my boost cut off at ultra low rpm right where I need it. Where the Trilogy allows boost is not ideal for where the engine needs it...I HAD adequate high rpm torque before the supercharger. I spoke to Jerry Barnes on the phone TWICE and he was abrupt and not very informative. I specifically described the bypass valve actuator on the passenger side of the Trilogy kit and he acted like it didn't exist unless he was right there looking at it. However, when a supercharger manufacturer (read EXPERT with 30 years of experience) talked to him on my phone, all of a sudden things cleared up and the MOD was "OK as long as you are happy with the way it performs..."

Doesn't anyone here want immediate response when you tap the gas pedal?
I literally mean move the accelerator a quarter of an inch and get pulled back in your seat...this is an experience I haven't felt since I had the '70s big blocks or the more recent 454 GMC Suburbans. Maybe it was the towing packages I bought to be heavy duty, maybe it was the final gear ratio, maybe it was the big blocks, or a combo of all three. But I love that power.

I tried to be diplomatic (cause I used to be a SENIOR member with hundreds of posts) and I seriously asked for someone to carefully try this under controlled conditions. Hell, the hose could fall off on its own...it's not the end of the world. I didn't say to drag race it...just go to an empty parking lot and do a mini BillyGman burnout...it was my first Marauder burnout without brake torqueing, without super high rpm. I smoked rubber at 1500-1800 rpm effortlessly...it was a BLAST! The car is running great. My gas mileage is around twenty. I am one happy camper...now all my mods will be focused on low end torque.

You guys want me to post personal emails? That ain't gonna happen...these people stuck their neck out with advice and never intended to be posted at a public forum...it risks people's jobs (what if their bosses didn't officially approve or there were legal issues?) and it breaches confidentiality. Want a pre- and post- dyno of the results? All I know is that I am satisfied and some of you have better access to these dyno services than I do at a lower price. I don't generally abuse my Marauder and I am comfortable with what I did. Frankly I am surprised that someone didn't pull the hose, drive a few minutes and give a seat-of-the-pants report...if nothing else.:burnout:

[mercurymarauder]

JEEZ!

Can someone explain, in detail;

HOW the Trilogy bypass valve is designed, and HOW it is supposed to function?
(It wasn't included in the Trilogy S/C kit just to increase the cost of the system.)
I know that Jerry Barnes is no longer on this site.

What, exactly happens when you disconnect the vacuuum line and what are the effects and consequences?:confused:

That way we can all decide if this 'suggested mod' is viable or not.

:rolleyes:

Finally, an objective observer...and a hell of a nice guy by the way. If someone would just answer these questions from the perspective of a professional gearhead with some engineering background...this whole issue could be solved AND it just might be a viable mod for a lot of Marauders.
:beer:

Sable? Sorry I don't do uni-bodies or front wheel drive...If they stop building body on frame full-size, I go to a Hummer or some other truck based vehicle.

[Rider90]

All I know is anything that gives me any more power, or modifies my power band in any way whatsoever, deserves a re-tune especially if the differences are fairly noticeable. We don't live in the 70's anymore with carbs and rejetting (Maybe TMF does...)

[SamF]

You guys are a funny bunch...

You really expect me to go PAY a dynotune to pre- and post- check a MOD I am comfortable with on my Marauder?

You guys want me to post personal emails? That ain't gonna happen...these people stuck their neck out with advice and never intended to be posted at a public forum...it risks people's jobs (what if their bosses didn't officially approve or there were legal issues?) and it breaches confidentiality. Want a pre- and post- dyno of the results? All I know is that I am satisfied and some of you have better access to these dyno services than I do at a lower price. I don't generally abuse my Marauder and I am comfortable with what I did. Frankly I am surprised that someone didn't pull the hose, drive a few minutes and give a seat-of-the-pants report...if nothing else.:burnout:

Whatever...

[Raudermaster]

I was just about to say that. Whatever you modify, and you want the full capability of it, you NEED a re-tune. You don't want to pay for a dyno tune? Here you own a $20k car, with a $6k S/C kit on it, and a dyno tune is what....$200 bucks at most maybe? :bs:

[RCSignals]

You guys are a funny bunch...

You really expect me to go PAY a dynotune to pre- and post- check a MOD I am comfortable with on my Marauder? I will eventually get another tune after I switch out the 3000 torque converter to one as low a stall as possible to see if this deals with the rpm lag also...

But you know what? I paid for and installed a lot of mods that were recommended here...and I am undoing a lot of them to get the Marauder the way I want it. You all seem to be happy on a racetrack flooring your gas pedal. Others, with a straight face, told me to brake torque the car after all my MODS (If I start naming MODS, I will be accused of "personally attacking vendors" here...so I won't go there). I have been caught napping at the stoplight, in the wrong gear at the wrong rpm (with OD off) and got a smirk from the little Honda that beat my Trilogy Marauder...with this MOD it doesn't happen anymore.

Am I attacking Trilogy? No, I just want it set-up differently and I don't want my boost cut off at ultra low rpm right where I need it. Where the Trilogy allows boost is not ideal for where the engine needs it...I HAD adequate high rpm torque before the supercharger. I spoke to Jerry Barnes on the phone TWICE and he was abrupt and not very informative. I specifically described the bypass valve actuator on the passenger side of the Trilogy kit and he acted like it didn't exist unless he was right there looking at it. However, when a supercharger manufacturer (read EXPERT with 30 years of experience) talked to him on my phone, all of a sudden things cleared up and the MOD was "OK as long as you are happy with the way it performs..."

Doesn't anyone here want immediate response when you tap the gas pedal?
I literally mean move the accelerator a quarter of an inch and get pulled back in your seat...this is an experience I haven't felt since I had the '70s big blocks or the more recent 454 GMC Suburbans. Maybe it was the towing packages I bought to be heavy duty, maybe it was the final gear ratio, maybe it was the big blocks, or a combo of all three. But I love that power.

I tried to be diplomatic (cause I used to be a SENIOR member with hundreds of posts) and I seriously asked for someone to carefully try this under controlled conditions. Hell, the hose could fall off on its own...it's not the end of the world. I didn't say to drag race it...just go to an empty parking lot and do a mini BillyGman burnout...it was my first Marauder burnout without brake torqueing, without super high rpm. I smoked rubber at 1500-1800 rpm effortlessly...it was a BLAST! The car is running great. My gas mileage is around twenty. I am one happy camper...now all my mods will be focused on low end torque.

You guys want me to post personal emails? That ain't gonna happen...these people stuck their neck out with advice and never intended to be posted at a public forum...it risks people's jobs (what if their bosses didn't officially approve or there were legal issues?) and it breaches confidentiality. Want a pre- and post- dyno of the results? All I know is that I am satisfied and some of you have better access to these dyno services than I do at a lower price. I don't generally abuse my Marauder and I am comfortable with what I did. Frankly I am surprised that someone didn't pull the hose, drive a few minutes and give a seat-of-the-pants report...if nothing else.:burnout:

Again, a whole lot of talk, no proof

Get permission from these "experts" to post up their emails. Get them to post in your own thread.

You said you'd name names, still haven't done that.

You are still avoiding asking your questions in the Trilogy forum on the other Marauder Board. Why is that?

[RCSignals]

Finally, an objective observer...and a hell of a nice guy by the way. If someone would just answer these questions from the perspective of a professional gearhead with some engineering background...this whole issue could be solved AND it just might be a viable mod for a lot of Marauders.
.............................. .

are you stuck in a loop?

[Raudermaster]

He is avoiding everything. He's giving us the run around, teasing us. All we continue to hear is his, what I think, bogus stories. Like losing to a freakin' Honda.

[MM2004]

Mercurymarauder,

You have started enough controversy with a mod that makes you happy with no hard evidence showing it is safe.

If that makes you happy. So be it.

Stay off of your redline, and stay off of this forum.

Never have I seen anyone talk in circles and repeat themselves more than you.

Nothing more to post here.

Mike.