Is anyone right or wrong?

[Motorhead350]

I normally don't bring in non-Marauder stories, but this kinda got to me. I'm in a summer school class (to get out sooner.... I'm not that dumb) and we were talking about how hippies in the 60s dressed and their liefstyle. Well they said in the 60s you could look at someone and if they had long hair and you did too, that you would have an instant connection as far as music goes, drugs, political standpoint and other things. So we were asked what things do todays youth ware to represent what they are all about.

I was the only one to speak up and say "Nothing, everything we just heard was prejudice. You don't just judge someone by how they look or even something as simple as their hair. Someone may appear to be a certian way, but you really have no idea until you ask. Sure you can look at someone and judge, but I do my best not to and I don't go around labeling people simply on appearence"

Well the instructor wasn't happy to hear this and basicially said I was wrong and a certian clothing for a certian lifestyle exist. Sure that maybe true, but a person doesn't dress the same everyday. Who would have thought that Nick Nolte from 48 hours was rich when he was walking around looking like a hobo? I think this is all opinion and no one is right or wrong. What is your opinion?

[CRUZTAKER]

Things aren't the same as they were in the 70'S.
It was easy to figure where one 'belonged' by mere first impression.

I have no clue who is who merely by dress these days.;)

[Mike Poore]

It seems to me, these days folks dress to suit the event, or venue. They have "outfits", or costumes, for whatever they happen to be doing.

Go to a Bike weekend, and you're sure to see a lot of leather, even if it's spectators, who never have, nor ever will, ride. You'll see a teenage couples with spiked hair, chains, lots of piercings and, of course, dressed in black, shoulders to feet, the head on the other hand may be shaved, chartreuse, or both. I suspect you'd see these same couples at certain music events also, um, but not at an Alison Kause concert.

The same group, at a church social, would be dressed more mainstream, traditional.

The thing about the 60's was that most of it happened in the 70's anyway; but the thing is, it was not so much how the hippies dressed, but who they were, and in a few cases, unfortunately, still are. They dressed for ease, and comfort, were not particularly well healed, and made do, with whatever embellishments, they could find that set them apart from the hated people who were providing for them. For the most part, they lived on the road, or at least gave the impression they were, and didn't, like today's "trend setters", divest themselves of the various hideous crap they are wearing, and go slinking back to mommy & daddy, after the affair.

I don't think, in today's society, you can look at how someone's dressed, and tell a damned thing about them, actually.

[CBT]

My opinion is you can judge people by their clothing. Most wear what they wear to make a statement, unless it directly pertains to thier line of work, like military uniforms, police, fire fighters, UPS drivers, you get my point. But if you are wearing a turban and sporting a vest made out of TNT, I'm going to judge the sh^t out of you real quick; Terrorist. Wearing a preist outfit to a Boy Scout convention; Pedophile. Ass-less black leather chaps and nothing else to a Village People reunion concert; Democrat. I could go on and on.

[SC Cheesehead]

My opinion is you can judge people by their clothing. Most wear what they wear to make a statement, unless it directly pertains to thier line of work, like military uniforms, police, fire fighters, UPS drivers, you get my point. But if you are wearing a turban and sporting a vest made out of TNT, I'm going to judge the sh^t out of you real quick; Terrorist. Wearing a preist outfit to a Boy Scout convention; Pedophile. Ass-less black leather chaps and nothing else to a Village People reunion concert; Democrat. I could go on and on.

Truly profound words!

Suggest we all start walking around naked, less chance to make a statement (and harder to hide TNT!):o

SCCH

[CBT]

Truly profound words!

Suggest we all start walking around naked, less chance to make a statement (and harder to hide TNT!):o

SCCH
Yeah but then we'd have make sure there wasn't a fuse sticking out whenever Habeeb says he's "just going to light a fart"...

[MERCMAN]

I normally don't bring in non-Marauder stories,


Since when??:D

[Krytin]

I normally don't bring in non-Marauder stories, but this kinda got to me. I'm in a summer school class (to get out sooner.... I'm not that dumb) and we were talking about how hippies in the 60s dressed and their liefstyle. Well they said in the 60s you could look at someone and if they had long hair and you did too, that you would have an instant connection as far as music goes, drugs, political standpoint and other things. So we were asked what things do todays youth ware to represent what they are all about.

I was the only one to speak up and say "Nothing, everything we just heard was prejudice. You don't just judge someone by how they look or even something as simple as their hair. Someone may appear to be a certian way, but you really have no idea until you ask. Sure you can look at someone and judge, but I do my best not to and I don't go around labeling people simply on appearence"

Well the instructor wasn't happy to hear this and basicially said I was wrong and a certian clothing for a certian lifestyle exist. Sure that maybe true, but a person doesn't dress the same everyday. Who would have thought that Nick Nolte from 48 hours was rich when he was walking around looking like a hobo? I think this is all opinion and no one is right or wrong. What is your opinion?

Having lived in the tail end of all that crap (at the time it was fun), I can say that except for possibly some VERY superficial points you could NOT judge people by their appearance alone! After extended, careful observation over a period of time you might be able to make some acurate pre-judgments. That would be true for any time period/group of people.

Have your instructor contact me, I'd be happy to explain a few things to him!

Stick to your guns - YOU are right!

[ckadiddle]

You guys continue to crack me up just when I need it. Thanks for being yourselves. Expecially Motorhead. ;)

[O's Fan Rich]

Whether it's right or wrong, it is a fact that it happens.
Knowing that image and first impressions are important and lasting, by choosing to convey an image that would cause an issue shows something about you anyway. it may be that you don't give a crap what someone else thinks about you.... so be it, your call.
But, you have to be willing to accept their judgment. After all freedom means that the OTHER guy is also allowed to think and say what he wants about you and how you present yourself. If that causes them to act prejudicially towards you, and you knew it would, it's your fault for putting that image forward, not his for reading it wrong.
Those "Bikers" who project that image while riding, may be professionals doing what they want on the weekends or on vacation. bet that's not their projected image on the job.

Often we cause people to think what we want them to think about us by our image... want people's thoughts to change about you? Change your image. It's in your control... not theirs.

[ckadiddle]

Whether it's right or wrong, it is a fact that it happens.
Knowing that image and first impressions are important and lasting, by choosing to convey an image that would cause an issue shows something about you anyway. it may be that you don't give a crap what someone else thinks about you.... so be it, your call.
But, you have to be willing to accept their judgment. After all freedom means that the OTHER guy is also allowed to think and say what he wants about you and how you present yourself. If that causes them to act prejudicially towards you, and you knew it would, it's your fault for putting that image forward, not his for reading it wrong.
Those "Bikers" who project that image while riding, may be professionals doing what they want on the weekends or on vacation. bet that's not their projected image on the job.

Often we cause people to think what we want them to think about us by our image... want people's thoughts to change about you? Change your image. It's in your control... not theirs.
Very well said. :bows:

[DEFYANT]

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and acts like a duck, chances are, it is a duck.

[Bluerauder]

Whether it's right or wrong, it is a fact that it happens.
Knowing that image and first impressions are important and lasting, by choosing to convey an image that would cause an issue shows something about you anyway. it may be that you don't give a crap what someone else thinks about you.... so be it, your call.
But, you have to be willing to accept their judgment. After all freedom means that the OTHER guy is also allowed to think and say what he wants about you and how you present yourself. If that causes them to act prejudicially towards you, and you knew it would, it's your fault for putting that image forward, not his for reading it wrong.
Those "Bikers" who project that image while riding, may be professionals doing what they want on the weekends or on vacation. bet that's not their projected image on the job.

Often we cause people to think what we want them to think about us by our image... want people's thoughts to change about you? Change your image. It's in your control... not theirs.
Bingo !!


If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and acts like a duck, chances are, it is a duck.
+1

[Zack]

You can judge a BLUE MARAUDER by its cover.

They are the best!

[magindat]

Dom,
If his point is that people, in general, do stereotype, categorize and judge, he's right. They (we) do.
If his point is that it's right and good and we should, as a practice, do so, he's wrong. They (we) shouldn't.
Rich

[sailsmen]

There is unfair prejudice and logical deductions based on observations.

If I see a "white" 22 year old man in my area with close cropped hair, blue jeans, black army boots, tatoos of maltese cross, hand clapsed in prayer and various pharses I can reasonably assume he is or was in the Arian Nation.

When time and space permits I observe how someone handles themselves. Does he show respect for himself or others or his enviroment.

Example I was buying gas after Katrina in an area that had a lot of robberies. A man with dreadlocks pulls up and fuels his vehicle. At first his appearance made me nervous. I noticed he had very good personal hygenie. Some trash blew buy and he put it in the trash can. Now I was no longer nervous. I also noticed his Mustang was spotless and striked up a conversation with him.

I regularly talk to strangers of all types. You cannot always tell based on their appearance what their social status is.

[Motorhead350]

You cannot always tell based on their appearance what their social status is.

Thats what I was saying in class. Thank you.


You can judge a BLUE MARAUDER by its cover.

Yes they are Cubs fans. :lol:

[RCSignals]

I think your instructor is over romanticizing the era.

In the '60s in particular, many of the so-called Hippies did not yet have long hair, or necessarily wear the same 'uniform'

But generally speaking, you can identify or categorise people by how they dress. People usually do this on purpose, an example is 'Gang' members.
Others just want to bring attention to themselves, wearing pants six sizes too big with their rear hanging out, wearing all black etc etc.
Lets not forget Black leather jacket wearing Marauder owners.

The practice isn't exactly new, and contrary to some people's view didn't just start in the '60s with 'Hippies'

[SC Cheesehead]

Yeah but then we'd have make sure there wasn't a fuse sticking out whenever Habeeb says he's "just going to light a fart"...
Oooooooooooooooh, good point!:coolman:

SCCH

[Leadfoot281]

If you see me wearing my pin striped Enzo suit, I look like a high end attourney that owns a nice car. In reality, it just means I'm getting sued again and going back to court.

If you see me the way I normally dress,(Ted Nugent t-shirt, $3 sun glasses, dirty blue jeans, Wolverine boots) I probably look more like a person that steals nice cars. :o

[usafsniper]

Things aren't the same as they were in the 70'S.
It was easy to figure where one 'belonged' by mere first impression.

I have no clue who is who merely by dress these days.;)

Hell, today I have a hard time even telling who's a man and who's a woman at times.

[Bluerauder]

Hell, today I have a hard time even telling who's a man and who's a woman at times.
There's an easy way to check ... Viva la difference !!! :up:

[rvaldez1]

Truly profound words!

Suggest we all start walking around naked, less chance to make a statement (and harder to hide TNT!):o

SCCH

Unless you are like me a pack a stick of DYNAMITE! At least thats what she said. :)

[Motorhead350]

:laugh:


thats what she said. :)

Your too much!