94-96 Impala SS vs 03-04 Marauder, no not about 1/4 mile times........

[Stew]

Lately I have been thinking about what i want to get to replace my GTP once it is sol, 2 cars stick out in price, reliability and performance. Those are the Impala SS and Mercury Marauder. I love both cars and even have a 93 Cadillac Fleetwood as a daily driver (if only it had the LT1, sigh :(). Anyways, I'll start with the Impala.

Why it was a success.

Whan the Impala came out in 94 it simply had the performance, handling, acceleration, or the best german sedans. You could take an Impala and run with or beat a new Mustang GT. The look was absolutely aggressive and out standing and it was something the likse of hadn't been seen for years. A true large American performance sedan. It even got exemplary gas mileage for the (my B4U Caprice averaged around 24 MPG in mixed driving, my roadmaster 26). The only thing that killed the Impala and it's B-body couterparts was the profitibity of trucks at the time and the were displace so their plant could make the fullsize versions. It's looks have carried on as classic and it's performance is still lively today, though as impressive as it was in mid 90s. Today you have run of the mill Family sedans running in the 14s (Altima, Maxima, Accord, Grand Prix GTP, Buick Regal GS and even Camry) and the 13s (Bonneville GXP, Impala SS) as such the value seems to finally be slcking off, though the main reason for that is more than cars like the Charger, the 300C, SRT versions of those cars, and the upcoming Pontiac G8, which brings us the Marauder......


Why it failed:

Simply put, too little too late. By the time the Marauder was introduced it would have made a great competitor for the Impala, except the Impala had been introduced nearly 10 years ago and been of production for 7 of those. By the time the Marauder came out those forementioned wquick family haulers were already out, and already quicker, and in many instances 1000s of dollars less expensive. The issue got worse with the intro of the 300C in mid 04 (as an 05 model). it offered superior design, superior performance, and even superior gas mileage, an extra cog in the transmission, and Benz underpinnings for the same price. Not to mention the high end V8s from the luxo manufactures (and in some cases even the bas V6s) offered superior performance to the Marauder (IMHO, the LX Mopars do what the Impala did in the mid 90s, offering German car performance for 1/2 the price or LESS). IMHO, this is why we will NEVER see the marauder hold it's value like the Impala did. IF iy had been offered in the mid 90s (Ford could have easily done this with 4.6 DOHC in the Mark VIII since 93) and with the considerably lighter (aero 92-97) GM and turned that into a marauder, we would have a fun time. Heck, on the lighter chasis the MArauder could have by all means, been a superior performer to the Impala, but alas, it was too little too late.

Now I am not saying the Impala is a better car than the Rauder, just that it had the performance to stand out in the time it was offered, the Marauder did not.

My opinion and comparisons. Now I have not driven an Impala SS, but have owned a Caprice B4U with is very similar. i have Driven a Marauder though.

Perforamcne is generally a wash, handling, acceleration (except 0-60 where the Lt1s have a nice advantage). I like the feel of the LT1 better, but prefer the steering in the Marauder.

Intterior: Here I have to give the nod to the Rauder if only barely. It is a little better executed and has considerably more features, though I can't say i like the seats very much.

Exterior: I personally have to give the nod to the Impala, I just like the more low slung look better and the wider looking stance. the Marauder looks pretty damned good, especially in black or silver, but it is taller and brings more Crown Vic/Grand Marquis in the look than the Impala brought of the Caprice.

Reliability: Nearly a wash here, but from my own experiences (96 Roadmaster, 06 Caprice, 93 Fleetwood, 97 CVPI ,, and 94 grand Marquis) I have to give the nod to the B-bodies, even if barely, both should serve you well. I would like to not it seems like both share one great weakness, the transmission, though this seems like an issue in most domestic (and honestly foriegn cars), and really takes hold once modifications are done.

Modability:

Both cars have a nice aftermarket thanks to their ponycar cousins, but I have to give this one to the Impala. What do you want? Well the Impala offers it. Want to run 11s on motor? We got you covered, wanna go 10s? What is your pleasure, nitrous, stroked, supercharger, turbocharger? It's avail and at a much lower cost than midfying the 4 valve Marauder. yes, i LOVE a trilogy SCed Marauder, would love to have one, but you can get an NA Impala to run just as well.

Hopefully sometime in the next few moths, once i sell the GTP and save up some money, I will betting of these, probably a Marauder, a lower mileage one with warranty thanks :) Then hopefully pick up an Impala to tinker with and use the rauder as the daily driver. I just think it is sill when someone downs the Impalas and B-bodies for some reason, because in many ways the cars are so similar in EVERY aspect that you are downing your own car.

[ctrlraven]

Performance wise bone stock Marauder wins, look at all the stats online.

To each their own, I know when I was in high school and the 94-96 Impala SS came out I was ready to give my left jewel for one but it wasn't going to happen since I wasn't 16 yet lol. Before I bought my MM I had just been in a really bad accident from getting hit by a drunk driver in the rear of my car that was going over 100 mph. So I knew I had to have something big but it couldn't be slow or ugly. I looked for almost a solid month for a 96 Impala SS and nothing then I saw some vehicles listed to compare with it, one was a 2004 Mercury Marauder.....the rest is history.

I know an 94 SS owner that wants a MM very badly now, he told me so last night after he had nothing left past 130mph and I just cruised on by past him till we met up 20 mins at the same gas station lol.

[Stew]

Actually the quickest Impala ran a 14.7 bone stock and i believe the quickest Marauders ran the same, so it's a wash, and this is the kind of post i expected in reply, was hoping I might be surprised though, sigh.........

Oh, and what do have done to your rauder running 14.23? there is a local guy here that used to have one and ran 14.3 with just long tube headers and a tune and another running 12.1 ALL MOTOR.

[gmtech]

being a GM man all my life i always favored the Impala SS...i was 13 when the SS came out and have loved it ever since..but when i got my 38k mile 2001 Grand Marquis in 2005 i fell in love w/ the panther platform, it had the same underpinnig as all the big GM's ive owned(88 fleetwood,84 caprice,79 delta 85 grand prix)gearbox steering,shocks and springs in frnt,frame w/body,RWD,,so it had everything i personally wanted in a car and had a few extras (overhead cam engine,newer styling)...it was the first Ford i had ever owned..and the first car i ever financed....and ill never regret it...i soon found my MM at a local dealer and did my research..i fell in love w/ it..since i have owned my MM i have become interested in other Ford products and engines...since i work on GM's all day every day and also work at a dealer w/ Dodge and Chrysler on the same lot, i regularly drive the 07 Impala SS and the GTP's and the 300C and Chargers...but nothing compares to when the clock strikes 5PM and i get into my MM and ride home...:bows::bows::bows::bows :>MARAUDER

[Raudermaster]

See, to me I really don't like the look of the Impala. It looks way too oversized compared to an MM. You're right though, they each have their own advantages. It really is entirely up to you. No one on this board, or any other board can reach into your pocket and make you pay for an SS or an MM. It's what YOU want sitting in your driveway everyday. For me though, the MM. You just can't compare the looks of it, the sound of it, everything. :D

[Stew]

Agreed, i love them both for different reasons, like I said I would like to have the Rauder to driver everyday, and just build the hell out of an Impala :D

[davidholland]

I Think one thing to consider is the Fact that the Impala SS has done very well holding its value. They were made in much higher numbers than the MM and I think are the only car to get a feel for how the MM will hold up in the future. Being that the MM is so much rarer I think they will hold their value well. Whens the last time you saw an Impala regardless of miles & conditon for under 10K?

[RCSignals]

So Stew, what is the point of this thread?

Did you start it just because you thought we were being mean to the Impala in the other thread?

Use the search function, it's all there from 4 to 5 years ago.

If you are actually in the market for either a Marauder or Impala make your decision and buy one.

[ctrlraven]

Actually the quickest Impala ran a 14.7 bone stock and i believe the quickest Marauders ran the same, so it's a wash, and this is the kind of post i expected in reply, was hoping I might be surprised though, sigh.........

Oh, and what do have done to your rauder running 14.23? there is a local guy here that used to have one and ran 14.3 with just long tube headers and a tune and another running 12.1 ALL MOTOR.

Well like I said to each their own. I never said I didn't like the Impala SS, I think its one hell of a car and can be made into something great. If I had the extra money and room for another vehicle I would get one if it was stock and low mileage.

As far as my mods that I had when I did that run I had a JLT intake, GM COP, DR tune (tweaked user options) 2nd set of cats removed, flowmaster mufflers, res-delete tips, bfg kdw2 255/55-18 rear tires at 25-26psi, no diet (taking things out) had 3/4 of a tank of gas, 60 lbs tool box, box of junk, box of car cleaning supplies, spare and subwoofer box in the trunk.

At Marauderville next week I'll have Zack's control arms, Addco Front/Rear sway bars, PHP intake spacer, NGK Plugs, 180 T-stat, PI 3500 Stall converter installed and whatever I don't need won't be in the car so I am going to guess in the 13.50-13.60 range or better is what I will be shoot for.

If you feel the SS fits your needs better then by all means that is the car for you. Like I said in my first post I was all about the SS when I started looking for another car but could not find any. Came across one Silver Brich MM in a 300 mile range off autotrader.com and it was just in the next county to me. I spent 3 whole days reading everything on this site before I was to have my appt to check the car out. Just reading how much everyone enjoyed their car made me think I would to and I was correct. Would I trade it for a mint SS? No, cause I'd like to have my cake and eat it to by having both hot rod saloon cars in my driveway.

My other choices of cars I was looking at was a Dodge Charger, 300 Hemi, Wrx STi, Evo Lancer, Grand Prix GXP and Ford Five Hundred. To me I think I got the best of everything, bad azz looks with the grapefruits to back it up.

[CBT]

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The last good SuperSport Impala, the 1967 427 fastbacked stinger-hooded mammy jammy.

[Stew]

For starters, yes, the other post got me thinking and I posted this LOL. And for the record I DO want to have my cake and eat it too, 04 MM for daily, 95-96 SS for the weekends and a nice project. you can now find decent impalas for considerably less than ever. There was a nice 60k mile one on the Impala forum a bit ago that was awfully tempting, but i wasn't looking at the time, tand the GTP has to go first anyways. that, and getting an autoloan on car that old is nearly impossible. All i know is that values are dropping. New competition and gases prices are going to play havoc with these 2 cars values anyways. Possibly, in the future when gas prices and insurance prices drive the performance segment away again, they may both start raising value, but for the forseeable future, from what I can tell, they are going to drop. bad or you guys, good for me ;)

[RCSignals]

For starters, yes, the other post got me thinking and I posted this LOL. And for the record I DO want to have my cake and eat it too, 04 MM for daily, 95-96 SS for the weekends and a nice project. you can now find decent impalas for considerably less than ever. There was a nice 60k mile one on the Impala forum a bit ago that was awfully tempting, but i wasn't looking at the time, tand the GTP has to go first anyways. that, and getting an autoloan on car that old is nearly impossible. All i know is that values are dropping. New competition and gases prices are going to play havoc with these 2 cars values anyways. Possibly, in the future when gas prices and insurance prices drive the performance segment away again, they may both start raising value, but for the forseeable future, from what I can tell, they are going to drop. bad or you guys, good for me ;)

and why not have your cake and eat it too? :)

[Raudermaster]

That's what I don't understand is when I hear people complaing about, "Oh I hate my truck so much I don't know why it does so bad on gas." I ask them, "What kind of truck is it?" "Oh it's an F-350 V10 Lariat 4x4" ".......Do you think it's a Civic?" Same goes for car people too. You buy an MM or an SS and you know at best you might get 18 mpg in city and 24-26 on the highway. Typically we all usually average what, 14-17 in city?

[Stew]

With the driving I do i could always average 24 MPG in my Caprice and 28 on highway jaunts, and averaged 21 in my old Vic. i'd hope i could pull at least 22 from a Rauder. my caddy gets 17-18, but is in bad need of a tune-up. As long as I can get 20+ I am happy. I heavily considered a new Hondat Fit, 15k and 35+ MPG, but the more I thought about it, the more i know i'll be tired of it really quick. So i know what you mean, i have heard people say the same things then it ends up they either driving a huge SUV or a fullsize pickup with the biggest gas engine they can get LOL Anyways, I figure I can give up gas milage for something I will keep and enjoy LOL. And i will have my cake and eat it too, but I have a sucky job and am more interesting in one good vehicle and getting a house (tired of renting LOL).

[ctrlraven]

I get around 16mpg on mine. When I bought it I didn't give a quack about the gas, I knew it was going to be hefty but I wouldn't have it any other way. This past weekend I actually was able to hit over 300 miles to a total tank for the first time ever lol. I could of gotten more if I wasn't doing 80 + on highway for 4 hrs lol.

[teamrope]

I thank God Chevy made the Impala SS. That car made 4 doors cool, and if Chevey didn't make it FMC never would have entertained the idea of the MM.

[sailsmen]

I have driven a 1963 SS 409- 4- 4 w/ 80K miles and a 1995 SS and 2006 SS.

I like the Impala, driving an Impala and MM back to back and it is obvious it is 10 years older.

I was very impressed w/ the 2006 SS.

In 1996 I seriously considered buying the SS. When I called several people who owned them they said in a few miles it's like a bucket of bolts and the frame flexes.

The best time on a stock Marauder 14.5.

I am sure any of the above will be a lot of fun to own.

[Blackened300a]

I have a friend who owned a 96 Impala SS. After mods such as a SLP intake, cat-back exhaust, gears, airfoil and a chip his best time was a 14.7 at the track. Im well aware that all cars run different depending on temps,etc...
He was fustrated with his lack of performance that a 150 shot of NO2 helped put him into the low 13 second club and 3 runs in with the NO2 also helped him shear his crankshaft in half.
I also have a friend who had a 96 Camaro Z28. It went 13.7 stock, after spending nearly $10K on mods which included a stroker motor, heads, cams, full exhaust with headers, gears, his best time was a 12.5.
From their experience I dont see the cost effective modding potential of the LT-1 engine over our DOHC engine.
I had the cash and the oppertunity at the time to pick up a mint low mileage 96 Impala SS in the rare blue or go for a low mileage black Marauder.
My decision is clear.

[Raudermaster]

I have a friend who owned a 96 Impala SS. After mods such as a SLP intake, cat-back exhaust, gears, airfoil and a chip his best time was a 14.7 at the track. Im well aware that all cars run different depending on temps,etc...
He was fustrated with his lack of performance that a 150 shot of NO2 helped put him into the low 13 second club and 3 runs in with the NO2 also helped him shear his crankshaft in half.
I also have a friend who had a 96 Camaro Z28. It went 13.7 stock, after spending nearly $10K on mods which included a stroker motor, heads, cams, full exhaust with headers, gears, his best time was a 12.5.
From their experience I dont see the cost effective modding potential of the LT-1 engine over our DOHC engine.
I had the cash and the oppertunity at the time to pick up a mint low mileage 96 Impala SS in the rare blue or go for a low mileage black Marauder.
My decision is clear.

Amen brother. See, I guess the LT-1 wasn't made by God himself, but supposedly he suceeded with the LS-1. :rolleyes:

[Pops]

If you guys want to find out about the SS Impalas go to Atlanta in November. They are not easy to beat. Also looking forward to lining up with some of you at MMV. NA all the way.

[hot-rauder]

i used to love the impala ss... it was a dream car for me, until about 2002. i saw an 03 MM sitting at the local L/M dealer and said, "i will have that car"... now look 5 years later, and with a license, i have one. there are 3 impala ss in town and i see all of them lookin at the MM and nodding and giving me the right to pass them at lights and what not. MM get more looks hands down. although they brought over alot of CV/GM styles they are odd enough to have people wandering if you customized it or if it was stock.

[Blackened300a]

Also looking forward to lining up with some of you at MMV. NA all the way.

Heads up or a Pinks style 3 out of 5?
Im down to run ya

[hot-rauder]

Heads up or a Pinks style 3 out of 5?
Im down to run ya


i wanna watch! why doesnt one of us eneter on pinks or the show bullrun? im out for pinks considering im stock mostly, but i could run down bullrun.

[sailsmen]

I run againest Camaro SS all the time that run low 11's.

[ctrlraven]

i wanna watch! why doesnt one of us eneter on pinks or the show bullrun? im out for pinks considering im stock mostly, but i could run down bullrun.

Pinks ALL OUT, I would cry if someone lost their Marauder and Bullrun is out of the question because of damage that can happen.

[Blackened300a]

Why not a N/A Pinks style drag race at MV-V? We negotiate for what kind of race, wheather or not we need car lengths and the best 3 out of 5 takes it.
The loser would offer up some piece of Marauder booty to the winner.

I have a Gods head logo hat with the marauder name printed on the back that I would put up on a Pinks style race.

We just need some bald headed doofus to moderate.

[Pops]

Lets go heads up and work from there. I will have something to put up by then. How are you set on dogs? We are going to have fun now. Is someone else going to step up? I am willing to listen to ideas so think them up. WE could let the women race them and see what happens!

John

[Blackened300a]

WE could let the women race them and see what happens!
John

No thats ok, Im too far from home to risk anything happening. If its going to hit the wall, Ill be the one to put it in there.

[hot-rauder]

Pinks ALL OUT, I would cry if someone lost their Marauder and Bullrun is out of the question because of damage that can happen.

although the Alsops (firebird) and team lotus duid not recieve any damage, and if you win its $250,000, i can see where you could be cautious.

it would have to be pinks all out because i ould cringe to see what a 92 s10 w/ a v8 owner would do to a recently aquired marauder.:(

[Stew]

I have a friend who owned a 96 Impala SS. After mods such as a SLP intake, cat-back exhaust, gears, airfoil and a chip his best time was a 14.7 at the track. Im well aware that all cars run different depending on temps,etc...
He was fustrated with his lack of performance that a 150 shot of NO2 helped put him into the low 13 second club and 3 runs in with the NO2 also helped him shear his crankshaft in half.
I also have a friend who had a 96 Camaro Z28. It went 13.7 stock, after spending nearly $10K on mods which included a stroker motor, heads, cams, full exhaust with headers, gears, his best time was a 12.5.
From their experience I dont see the cost effective modding potential of the LT-1 engine over our DOHC engine.
I had the cash and the oppertunity at the time to pick up a mint low mileage 96 Impala SS in the rare blue or go for a low mileage black Marauder.
My decision is clear.

Something there is definatly not right that is VERY VERY slow for both cars with those mods, I know of Bolt-on only LT1s running better than 12.5. Bang for the buck i love my GTP it took me a total of 390 bucks and 4 mods to hit the 13s (smaller pulley, PCM, minor exhaust work, and a homemade coldair). And you want to talk about low end torque and unfortunatly a grenaded transmission at 130k miles (rebuilt and fine now though LOL) :D Anywho. I am probabl;y going to go for a Marauder early next year. My ultimate choice would be a Charger SRT-8, but that is much $$$$$. I really miss RWD and the FWD is my biggest beef with the GTP and the really cheap interior, UGH!

[hot-rauder]

Something there is definatly not right that is VERY VERY slow for both cars with those mods, I know of Bolt-on only LT1s running better than 12.5. Bang for the buck i love my GTP it took me a total of 390 bucks and 4 mods to hit the 13s (smaller pulley, PCM, minor exhaust work, and a homemade coldair). And you want to talk about low end torque and unfortunatly a grenaded transmission at 130k miles (rebuilt and fine now though LOL) :D Anywho. I am probabl;y going to go for a Marauder early next year. My ultimate choice would be a Charger SRT-8, but that is much $$$$$. I really miss RWD and the FWD is my biggest beef with the GTP and the really cheap interior, UGH!

$390 or$3900??

[Stew]

three hundred and 90 390, GTPs are very easy to get into the 13s, after that it gets a little harder. You have to love factory forced induction :)

[Aren Jay]

If you are thinking about the Impala as a family driver, have a good look at it's crash test ratings.

Then compare them to the Marauder.

safercar.gov

Impala is not listed for 94-96 but the caprice is.

http://www.safercar.gov/Index2.cfm?myClass=&myYear=&myMake=&myModel=&myMake2=Chevrolet&myModel2=Caprice&MMSearch=Search+Make+%26+Model

http://www.safercar.gov/Index2.cfm?myClass=&myYear=&myMake=&myModel=&myMake2=Mercury&myModel2=Marauder&MMSearch=Search+Make+%26+Model

[Stew]

It's still a big car and driver is rated 4 star, I am usually the driver and only person in the car, so i am not worried about that. I couldn't find Impala so chose the Caprice which is the same thing. Anywho, as bad as it seems I am not real worried about test ratings, mainly just reliabilit/performance and BOTH cars have that is about equal doses.

[steve fox]

MY LT1 equipped 94 caprice classic had acceleration like the sheriff's cars of the period and it was impressive. It also had an automatic interior rear view mirror. Those were the two best parts of the car. The seat was like an upholstered park bench, the car handled like a bathtub, the body electrics reminded me of BSA/Triumph wiring by Lucas Electrics from England (anyone remember Lucas prince of darkness?) and it nickled and dimed me continually for minor repair.
Sadly (or not) it was stolen and the 04SB replaced it. I have driven CV for 15 years and found them to be reliable, cheap to repair, comfortable to drive and not bad looknig since 95. I have not failed to achieve 200,000 mi on any of them without engine or driveline repair. The Maurader is the epitomy of CV development. I recall the sheriff's cars always needed 2 cases of flares in the trunk to keep the front and rear from trading places in a corner. However the goodyear tires and spring over shock suspension seemed to contribute to that effect. The air suspension and Michelins or now Goodrich (owned by Michelin) seem to avoid this problem.
We shall see what the S/C does for the car next.

[SC Cheesehead]

OLD THREAD ALERT!! :rolleyes: