Domestic V.S. Imports: What's your view. [Archive]

DJCV

10-07-2007, 02:42 PM

We live in a truly global economy. Heck, my good 'ol Crown Victoria was assembled in CANADA!

I bought it because I was in sales at the time and needed a bullet-proof, relatively inexpensive TANK that could withstand 40-50K miles per year without taking me to the poor house. I'm no longer in sales but still drive it because it's remarkably fun to drive yet very 'cheap' to own, operate, service and repair. (And with two young kids, I don't need to throw money away on vehicles at this stage in life.)

I don't discriminate based on country of origin, so there is a 50/50 chance the next car I buy will be domestic.

offroadkarter

10-07-2007, 04:42 PM

Most likely domestic, Probably a GM but my mom might get a ford edge, suprisingly its nicer than i had expected. My sisters fiancé works as an enterprise manager at a used rental car sales place, brought home a 07 edge with 22k miles and its a nice crossover.

Think my brother is looking at a dodge charger to replace his explorer

my dad is thinking about a camaro or challenger

Im satisfied with what ive got.

The closest thing to an import that weve owned would be my sisters 98 sebring with the eclipse motor which was a pos. Last thing we owned that Was an import was a 87 RX-7 with the rotary engine, 5spd, it was a nice car.

Anything domestic that we buy is always GM 70% of the time. Traded in a mazda for a jimmy, then for an expedition, then for a Taurus, then for a yukon, and now a tahoe. In that mix we also have our 2nd jimmy which i hope we get rid of, and an oldsmobile delta 88 which we sold when my mom got her 98 jimmy.

So were a domestic car buying family. GM for the most part, but we've had our fair share of fords, mine being the most recent.

jonroe

10-07-2007, 05:37 PM

If I were to go out and buy right now it would be one of FLM, GM, or Chrysler just because I wan't to support these U.S.-based companies because I think we need them in this country. I know cars are made all over including my MM made in Canada. I'm just trying to support these companies - that's all.

Jon

djbruce26

10-07-2007, 06:45 PM

Cobalt SS for certain.

Raudermaster

10-07-2007, 08:53 PM

Domestics, for certain. My parents will never own an import. Me and my g/f are buying herself an '06 Escape most likely. She did want a Santa Fe, or a Tuscon (both Hyundai), drove them both, then took the Escape out, the Escape had no rattles, drove much better than both, the seats were far more comfy and the interior was much much roomier. I only drive an import on bad days.....and because I paid practically nothing for it.

offroadkarter

10-07-2007, 08:56 PM

I only drive an import on bad days.....and because I paid practically nothing for it.

Ive got nothing against subaru, my go kart motor is a subaru, and although it's starting to smoke alot and burn massive holes in the O-zone layer it's peppy :D

Besides subaru really doesnt have anything thats rice like a civic, WRX's are fast even the new ones, just not that cool. but fast

LordVader

10-08-2007, 06:38 AM

Domestic for me, either a Charger or a Mustang.

larryo340

10-08-2007, 08:59 AM

Domestic for me, either a Charger or a Mustang.
Wait and get the new Challenger :D
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/5/0/2/6/MOPARSatCarlisle043.jpg

Aren Jay

10-08-2007, 10:11 AM

Smokie

10-08-2007, 10:26 AM

Had both, back with Domestic, made in Canada.

Problem was even though my last Import, Imported from Oklahoma, was made in the USA it was a Japanese car. So if you say Domestic or Import what do you mean?

I know that it can be made to seem complicated, but this is my point of view:

Nameplate says Ford: Domestic

Nameplate says Toyota: Import

Where exactly it was assembled at this point I consider irrelevant, I may change my opinion one day, but at the moment this is my definition.:)

ledzilla

10-08-2007, 10:51 AM

If I was planning to buy a car, I'd definitely go domestic, most likely a Ford of some type. If I had the cash, I'd get a newer Town Car. I've always liked them, and always liked the smooth ride and the comfort. If I were to go for an import, it would be European. I have no love for the Asian manufacturers mostly because their cars haev no style to them, expecially Honda and Toyota. Everything they make looks so bland, even their luxury models. Besides, I'm a V8 engine kind of guy, and the only way it seems ot get a V8 from Asia is to get an ugly ass ****y whipped truck. Nuts to that. If I want a truck I'm getting a Ford Super Duty. And that's only because I won't get a truck unless I really need one. And if I really need one, I'm getting a good one. And even though I'm not even dating right now, if I get into a family situation, NO MINIVANS! I refuse to buy one, and I hate driving them. I'm too picky, aren't I?

Anywho... Definitely domestic, most likely one of these:
Town Car
Grand Marquis
Charger (Hemi)
Magnum (Hemi)
Taurus/500
Mustang (GT or better)

rvaldez1

10-08-2007, 11:02 AM

STS-V and with the new job I have waiting for me, I will be able to afford it.

dreydin

10-08-2007, 11:29 AM

its a 50/50 shot for my next purchase... but most likely, itll be domestic :D

Raudermaster

10-08-2007, 11:53 AM

STS-V and with the new job I have waiting for me, I will be able to afford it.

CTS-V FTW. Me and my Dad test drove both, since he was looking to get a V series, the CTS is by far faster.

96DiamondVIII

10-08-2007, 12:18 PM

Good question. Granted, I most likely won't be getting another car for some time, but were I to find myself in the market tomorrow I'd consider both. Granted, I do like to support American companies, but I'm not going to purchase an inferior (or, more likely, one that's not as good *for my purposes*) vehicle to do so. And I normally buy used, so it's not as relevant anyway in a philosophical sense, but I suppose when I choose one used car over another, I'm in a way helping to support that manufacturer through contributing to resale value...

Last two times I've bought I've driven both. When car shopping back in '04 I test drove an Audi A4 1.8T, BMW 323i, and a Lincoln Mark VIII, and bought the Lincoln. Last year, the contenders were Audi A6 2.7T, Infiniti G35, Nissan Maxima SE, Lincoln LS V8, Mazda 6 s, and the Marauder (which, naturally, I chose).

As to the Caddy question, up until this year, I would have gladly traded the hotter performance of the CTS-V for the more graceful styling and MUCH nicer interior of the STS-V. However, with the new CTS on the market that has fixed most of my complaints, the choice would be much closer for me now...

rvaldez1

10-08-2007, 12:29 PM

CTS-V FTW. Me and my Dad test drove both, since he was looking to get a V series, the CTS is by far faster.

Good question. Granted, I most likely won't be getting another car for some time, but were I to find myself in the market tomorrow I'd consider both. Granted, I do like to support American companies, but I'm not going to purchase an inferior (or, more likely, one that's not as good *for my purposes*) vehicle to do so. And I normally buy used, so it's not as relevant anyway in a philosophical sense, but I suppose when I choose one used car over another, I'm in a way helping to support that manufacturer through contributing to resale value...

Last two times I've bought I've driven both. When car shopping back in '04 I test drove an Audi A4 1.8T, BMW 323i, and a Lincoln Mark VIII, and bought the Lincoln. Last year, the contenders were Audi A6 2.7T, Infiniti G35, Nissan Maxima SE, Lincoln LS V8, Mazda 6 s, and the Marauder (which, naturally, I chose).

As to the Caddy question, up until this year, I would have gladly traded the hotter performance of the CTS-V for the more graceful styling and MUCH nicer interior of the STS-V. However, with the new CTS on the market that has fixed most of my complaints, the choice would be much closer for me now...

If they throw the new 7.0 liter and an auto in the cts-v. I would prefer the CTS-V, driving downtown stick SUCKS. Also, have you seen the dump the sts-v's are taking off the lot, I can pick one up for the 45-50 range with very little mileage.

de minimus

10-08-2007, 12:34 PM

Most definitely domestic (ie. Made in North America, owned in North America, employing North American labour). My choice isn't as xenophobic as it sounds, though I believe in the principle of buying locally - growing up my parents always owned imports. At one impressionable time in my life, my neighbour on one side had a 1970 Barracuda, on the other, a 1964 Impala SS. Across the street a 1964 Mercury Parklane Breezeway and a 1974 Vega wagon (ok forget about the Vega). My dad had a VW Rabbit and my mum had a Volvo wagon. You can imagine my embarassment on a weekend when everyone was out washing their cars.

RoyLPita

10-08-2007, 12:36 PM

Hopefully something domestic and rear wheel drive.

davidholland

10-08-2007, 01:06 PM

I'll most likely stay domestic. My wife has a C230 Sport 07 nice car seems to have great quality. The only dislike I have with the domestics is that they tank in value soooo fast.

RedMerc04

10-08-2007, 01:08 PM

Always Domestic, I am planning on buying a truck within the next year or so as a daily/winter driver so I can keep the marauder as nice as possible. I am looking to buy a Mid 90's Ford F150 or Chevy 1500. I would feel gay driving any import. :puke:

Peter

10-08-2007, 01:19 PM

For me? Domestic.
I'm never ever going to get an import, and most certainly not a toyota or honda.

My possible future cars are:

Mercury Grand Marquis
Lincoln Town car
Dodge Charger SRT8
Dodge Challenger R/T
Another Marauder (most likely)

Jolly Roger

10-08-2007, 01:42 PM

I like a lot of the imports,
but i'm an American so I buy American.:beatnik:

Blackened300a

10-08-2007, 02:37 PM

Raudermaster

10-08-2007, 02:54 PM

If they throw the new 7.0 liter and an auto in the cts-v. I would prefer the CTS-V, driving downtown stick SUCKS. Also, have you seen the dump the sts-v's are taking off the lot, I can pick one up for the 45-50 range with very little mileage.

Yea, I'm not a fan of the new 4.4l S/C, I would much rather have the N/A 7.0l. I really do like the '05 Mercedes C55 AMG though.....still kind of pricey.

barrytuneup

10-08-2007, 06:35 PM

i have an 04 mm and a 97 escort lx for around town and the train station. My son bought an 04 Elantra brand new and has over 50k on it and unfortunately the car has never had a problem. He changes the oil 3000miles and did all the recommended fluid changes(trans and coolant at Valvoline)The car is unbreakable. MY MM has no problems but it only has 11k on it. My Escort has cost me about 3k in repairs in the last 3 years(has 105k on it and i got it at 34k)However it was all normal maintenence.,struts, springs,battery, radiator leaks ,power steering pump, tires, brakes ,hoses,belts exhaust).the tiny glove box can't fit any more repair receipts in it!! But i love it.Id buy another small Ford.

mrjones

10-08-2007, 08:13 PM

Ain't my MM an import? It came across at least one border to get to my house, but I guess it's a fairly friendly one.

I really like the Japanese reliability and the German engineering, but I'll continue to buy what I think is American, at least North American. I'll have a Japanese motorcycle, and I've got a German car, but they're bought used.

Sure, the new Tundra is built right here in San Antonio, but where do the profits go from the manufacture of those trucks? I really believe that the Japanese are out to conquer the world again as they did 60 years ago. This time, they're using dollars instead of ammo.

Clancy's "Debt of Honor" is a great book, if a bit scary.

Mike Poore

10-09-2007, 04:13 AM

I think the question is akin to asking for a definition of pornography. The line between domestic and imports is so clouded these days, what with where they're assembled, and by whom, and constructed from parts produced all over the planet, it's difficult for me to tell the difference. For instance, the Toyota, or Honda you may be considering is built in the US by American labor, while the good 'ol US of A Dodge Ram is neither. Yet one is considered an import, the other a domestic .....go figure. :dunno:

I think the better question asked, is who makes the best car you can afford, that meets your needs/wants.

ledzilla

10-09-2007, 06:50 AM

Domestic without a doubt. Parts are cheaper, easy to maintain and lately the quality has been on par or better then some imports.
Not to mention that standing 6'1" I have more leg and head room driving a domestic then a import.

I'll have to give some agreement there. A friend of mine has an early 90's Eclipse. I've only ridden in it once (because I needed to burp my cooling system but didn't know it so my MM was overheating like a madman). But I had the passenger seat as far back as it could go and my knees were still in the dashboard. I'm only 5'10"-5'11".

Bluerauder

10-09-2007, 07:10 AM

Will there be another Domestic in your driveway or will there be a Import.

Very unlikely that you will ever see an import in my driveway. I have always bought from the Big 3. Can honestly say that I have never set foot in an import dealership. There's nothing in the Toyota, Honda, Subaru or Nissan line that appeals to me. Hyundai, Kia and the rest just don't make the grade.

I don't ever see myself in a Porsche. Mercedes is a bit pretentious for my taste. I'd feel funny telling people I drove a Saab (we called 'em Scabs when I was a kid). I don't fit the Volvo mold. VW doesn't excite me. I'd get a Maybach in a heartbeat .... but I keep coming up a little short on the payments. :P

Maybe ... just maybe ... a BMW 6 or 7 series would steal my attention if I couldn't find something that I like at Ford, GM or that other company who is now being passed around like a red-headed step child.

For the foreseeable future ... only Domestics for me. Not sure whether this is a "Buy American" decision, tradition, or just what I like .... maybe a little of all 3 reasons.

Raudermaster

10-09-2007, 12:59 PM

But I had the passenger seat as far back as it could go and my knees were still in the dashboard. I'm only 5'10"-5'11".

And this was in your MM? Your seat is broken then my friend if your knees are hitting the dashboard. I'm 5'11" myself, and I have PLENTY of room. Hell, my father is 6'6" and even he has plenty of room.

CBT

10-09-2007, 10:17 PM

My view of imports, hmmm, well they look great in my rearview. ;)

Aren Jay

10-10-2007, 12:05 AM

My Next car will likely be an Import.

Either a French or Japanese or if I can British car.

French or Japanese would be new.

British one would be a used, project car.

Pat

10-10-2007, 12:29 AM

I think the better question asked, is who makes the best car you can afford, that meets your needs/wants.

Amen brother.

My next car will be a truck, used, broken in, full size, extended cab, V8, dark color, auto, not 4X, prolly one of the big three. Price, paramount.

ckadiddle

10-10-2007, 09:02 AM

Not likely to buy any imports as they do not make crown vics, grand marquii, MMs or Mustang GT convertibles. ;)

Local Boy

10-10-2007, 02:44 PM

DOMESTIC...

Aloha

Aren Jay

10-11-2007, 09:03 AM

So after looking around I have to ask, are any domestic cars made in the USA anymore?

finster101

10-11-2007, 09:36 AM

Okay you can take the "Global Economy" crap and blow a goat with it. Where does the company profits go? Are those factory deeds registered to companies parented in the US? Sorry I'll stay with the domestic makes. This subject is non-negotiable with me.

Aren Jay

10-11-2007, 08:33 PM

I have lately been looking at some 04 Lightnings. Even found one with 11000 miles on it. Clean carfax, Red (very important), 1 previous owner.

Now i can't afford it right now, but this would solve many of my needs.

So the lightning is also made in Canada, domestic for me, is it domestic for you?

I also like Jaguars.

Made in England, but owned by Ford is it a Domestic?

Local Boy

10-12-2007, 10:32 PM

No matter where it's built...If it is owned by an American company, it's domestic...

At least...for me it is...

ALOHA

Peter

10-20-2007, 11:47 AM

No matter where it's built...If it is owned by an American company, it's domestic...

At least...for me it is...

ALOHA

Exaclty above is my definition of Domestic.

ChiTownMaraud3r

10-20-2007, 12:19 PM

I guess you can say its domestic if the profits return to a US company, and import if they don't, regardless of where they are manufactured. So toyotas manufactured here, I still consider import..

And there are freestyles, taurus/sables etc assembled here in chicago, for whoever asked if any domestic cars are still built here(the US).

jonas1022

10-21-2007, 12:30 AM

Domestic=YEAH!:burnout:

Import=:shake:

DeepSea117

10-22-2007, 03:50 PM

I would get either an Import or Domestic. My first car is a Civic, and parts are cheap, reliable and plentiful. Cheaper than Domestic parts for the same money. My year civic (93) was assembled in Maryland, but the same generation civic the following year was assembled in Canada. That global thing. But aftermarket support is excellent for Honda. You want expensive replacement parts, go get a German car. Even the ones Hecho en Mexico. Ask me about VW Jetta Turbos, and their 16 dollar spark plug.

Brand new, under 25K, I'd go with Japanese before American, and American before German. Above 25K, I'd still go German last....it seems the Europeans have yet to fully understand Ohm's Law.

But...I do see a lot of Domestics BEHIND me before the twisties. My rearview is usually clear after the first few turns, so I don't a good enough look at them to consider which one to buy... ;)

Cobra25

10-22-2007, 03:56 PM

Domestic cars you a Little more for your money, But the Imports are Built better and Last longer.

ImpalaSlayer

10-22-2007, 04:20 PM

probly try an import next time around. im a big fan of the evo's and sti's

Aren Jay

10-23-2007, 08:38 AM

Domestic cars you a Little more for your money, But the Imports are Built better and Last longer.

I can't say Imports (Asian) last longer. They are noisy, cheap plastic and thin doors, thin metal, makes them light and fuel efficient, but 4 years on they rattle and vibrate, rust soon follows and they break and fall apart.

Yes Domestics do fail, but look around, How many 80's Imports do you see? There were alot of them out there, but they are not any more. Go to the 90's, you can find a number of Imports, some very well made. The Subaru SVX comes to mind. It has lots of problems, bad transmission and brakes, it was too big of a car for Subaru to make, back then. Then again not many were made and if you can find one with less than 150,000 miles on snap it up, it is rare.

Sure Imports do drive well for many miles, but that is not the same thing as getting old gracefully.

I compare my 2004 Subaru Legacy L to my 2004 Mercury Marauder, every day. The Subaru was starting to have problems, keyless entry only worked some times. Passenger door did not unlock sometimes, even though the slide slid inside the car and I turned the key, it stayed locked. Noise! I thought something was wrong it was so noisy. Rattly windows, (no window frames) It had a thump everytime I went over a bump, but with the independant suspension it shouldn't have. It was also too small and the plastic, everywhere, was starting to give up. For the first 3 or 4 years it was a great car, but not so much after that. Even lost the confidence that it was going to work everytime I got into it.

My Marauder, has had a few problems. It lacks the wonderful independant suspension, Subaru AWD was amazing Ford RWD is ok but not as good. More fun but not as good. And even with this low idle (a problem I had with my 86 Mustang), the Marauder is amazing. Sure new it was more expensive, even used it is. But it is quite, even though older than my Subaru. Not flimsy, not as much cheap plastic, even though the edges do not match as well. Still have that thump on bumps, but that is more suspension I think. Overall I would have to say the Marauder is much better built than my Subaru. Much better than my late 80's Toyota, much better than my '86 Mustang but that was a different kind of car.

I don't think Imports are better made cars, better marketed perhaps, but not better made. They are made different, cheaper, faster and give a better first impression. But after 5 years, you have to buy a new one.

As for cars like the Evo or STi, they are great cars, but they are not pleasures to drive any way other than fast. Purpose built to be rally cars. not comutter cars, not cruisers, not daily drivers to take shopping...But great rally cars!

oh well that rant has drained me, yet I feel better :)

ledzilla

10-23-2007, 02:00 PM

Has anyone here owned a Buick Century? Those things last a long time. My sister had a '94 that lasted her until this winter (it was a completely outdoor car, rarely garaged, and had over 200,000 miles). My brother-in-law also abused the poor thing, and it still kept running. She replaced it with a '01 Century. I also happened upon a recent article showing the '04 model tied for first place in reliability ratings of used cars.

Might I also mention Lincoln Town Cars? I can't say for all years, but most will last you a long time. My dad drove a '94 as a commercial vehicle and logged nearly 300,000 miles on it before it died. He never had the trans serviced, and the only repair made outside of normal maintenance was when he had to have the valve guides repaired due to them not being made with a strong enough material (bloody aluminum heads). It began its death when the town damaged our driveway while replacing a section of the sidewalk. A big hole was made, and my dad pulled in a little too quickly and didn't see the hole. When the car dropped into it, it smashed the oil pan into the pavement. After that, it started having issues. My old Town Car took a beating until it suffered a mortal wound. Was 10yo when I got it, was 18yo when I had to dump it. I still see lots of Town Cars on the road, going back to the '84 model. Older than that and I start confusing them with Continentals.

pacammer

10-23-2007, 02:30 PM

I always purchase Ford products. I have an Italian Ford, a German Ford, 2 Canadian Fords, and an American Ford. I drive them all and am proud of each and everyone.

Gary

DeepSea117

10-24-2007, 07:54 PM

Diabolic, there's a reason why Japanese imports (especially Hondas and Toyotas) keep a high resale value. Because they are more reliable.

Take a gander on Edwards or KBB. Look at how much a similarly equipped 1993 Ford Escort from that year is worth much less than a 1993 Honda Civic.

Imports overall are MORE reliable. Check those consumer reports. I think Honda, Subaru, and Acura are the top three in New Car reliability. Even Toyota is still in 5th, with the 4th being the Scion.

Mercury Marauder issues (in the first 2 years):
- Both seat heater switches had to be replaced
- Vibration from subwoofer at low settings
- Seat bolts came loose (clunking seat)
- Low-idle stalling during turns (never resolved), several times taken in
- Radio and clock resetting periodically (losing stations, settings and time), happened half a dozen times
- Rear rotors seized like nothing I've seen to the axle

Honda Civic, 1993 (still running WELL):
- (First summer) Cracked covers on setting knobs for stereo
- (10 years later), Distributor failed, Fuel pump died
- (10 years later), Only headlights stay on when switch is on headlights, had to find a halfway spot between the parking lights and headlights
- (10 years later) Power window motors died
- (13 years later) Tranny replaced, clutch was still good (awesome driver, most likely :))

My dad's accord from 1989, engine never opened, stock block. Tranny died after close to 15 years. Replaced (for cheap) and now has 280K miles on it, and is still running. Never rebuilt, lacking power, but still serviceable.

My dad's Ford Granada from 1980 I think lasted around 4 years, sold it for a 1985 Olds Cutlass Ciera that lasted 4 years, both piles of junk. Now my dad was gentle with Cutlass and Granada and they still died prematurely. My Civic, I drove the hell out of it, even abused it a little, took it on the track, and it is still going strong. Asian imports got a foothold over in the US back in the 70's and 80's, and a lot had to do with reliability.

Now...if you're talking about recent years for European imports, well then you have a point. ;)

de minimus

10-24-2007, 09:33 PM

Diabolic, there's a reason why Japanese imports (especially Hondas and Toyotas) keep a high resale value. Because they are more reliable.

With the greatest respect, I just don't buy it. I think that imports have a higher resale value because some, perhaps most people perceive them to be more reliable.

I've had 5 Ford products in the last 20 years of owning cars - Not one of them was ever in the shop for anything but oil changes, brakes, etc.

Last week I was up north and the cab that I took from the airport on arrival was a '92 CV. It had a terrible rattle coming from the rear end. I asked the driver how many km's. His response? 1,100,000 kms, which is about 650,000 miles. All in a place with some pretty harsh weather. I can't see a Camry or Accord doing that kind of duty somehow.

As well, look around your own city..how many 15-20 year old cars do you see driving around and how many of those are imports?

There I feel better.

Breadfan

10-24-2007, 10:04 PM

There's plenty of domestic stories of long lasting cars too.

My 1990 Mustang GT has 205,000 miles. It's mostly all original aside from a few minor upgrades. The engine, trans, clutch, and rear are all original. Yep, original clutch on a 5.0.

Last weekend I took it on a few mixed city/highway trips and netted 22mpg.

5.0l, 5spd, 205k, original drivetrain, and 22mpg. Oh and it's faster than a Honda and sounds so much nicer. :)

Not to shabby.

Personally I prefer domestic cars. In the area I live, foreign cars are "in" and very trendy. There are tons of people that buy Toyotas, Hondas, and BMW's and VW's and tout how great they are and snub anything American.

You'd be surprised how many people around here go on and on about how their Accord is the greatest thing and the nasty things they'll say about American cars. And these aren't car people.

I realized I really didn't like one of my older sister's friends when one time at a party, I was "schooled" by this lady being told my American car was junk and she was smarter than me because she bought a better car. What "better car" was it? A Toyota Corolla. Her knowledge of cars? "They're those things with wheels right?"

My response was so awesome I can't even post it here, though I will say she didn't seem to like hearing it as much as I enjoyed saying it!

It's just too trendy and egotistical around here to drive a foreign car, I'd prefer to support competition in the market and drive domestic, and you know, I've been VERY happy with the choices, though I hope the US carmakers keep their lines exciting...hint hint FORD.

I do enjoy some foreign cars. I have a big spot in my heart for older British cars. I drove and enjoyed driving a late model 3 series Bimmer, but not enough to buy one.

I will say though, my list of cars I'd like to own has enough domestics that I will most likely never reach "ACCORD" or "CAMRY." I just hope I marry a girl who drives one, that way I'll have something with good resale to trade in for a new Mustang.

As for the apparent dislike of domestics in some places, maybe most people haven't healed from Cadillac trying to sell the Cimarron to America? :D

DeepSea117

10-25-2007, 12:08 PM

With the greatest respect, I just don't buy it. I think that imports have a higher resale value because some, perhaps most people perceive them to be more reliable.

As well, look around your own city..how many 15-20 year old cars do you see driving around and how many of those are imports?

There I feel better.

Actually there are a LOT of Toyotas and Hondas past the 20 year mark driving around here. I mean they are EVERYWHERE. Those old Accords you see on the road, they are gonna be anywhere from 10 to 20 years old. What I don't buy is this 5-year-buy-a-new-asian-import thing. THAT to me is an argument on shaky ground. My dad got burned with buying American for two consecutive cars. Almost 10 years of hassle. Went Honda, had much less aggravation.

And like I said, why do Japanese cars take the top 5 in the Consumer reports in terms of average reliability? I don't think they made-up their data....it's proven. Otherwise no one would listen to them. I think you should try owning a Ford Granada, too. ;)

Breadfan, I'm sure there are long-lasting American cars out there. I'm just giving my experience with American cars (especially 70's and 80's) to Diabolic since he tsaid all imports lasted ONLY 5-years at most. Just showing him Ameican cars are guilty of the same thing. Noisy, thin walls, lasting only 5 years...sounds like the Ford Fiesta or something. Does anyone on this message board own a FORD ASPIRE and proud to say it? Unlikely...but hey, it's a Domestic!

As to whether Accord or Camry owners are car people or not, I'm not gonna judge. For all we know, they may have a second car which is American, and is fast, gets good mileage...or what have you. I know people have preferences, and I respect that. Hell, I've wanted quite a few Aemerican cars, like a Typhoon, or the late model Trans-am.

One thing though..., if you're talking about going fast other than a straight-line....you can tell me how nice my exhaust looks once we get to the mountains. But the view may get smaller :)

You said Cimarron! :D

jonas1022

10-25-2007, 12:12 PM

Import=POS:flamer:
Domestic=GOOD STUFF.:banana2:

DeepSea117

10-25-2007, 03:06 PM

...and this is how the Ford Pinto came about! :D

larryo340

10-25-2007, 03:32 PM

And like I said, why do Japanese cars take the top 5 in the Consumer reports in terms of average reliability? I don't think they made-up their data....it's proven.

I can speak of my Toyota service dept experience in that Toyota does not put on warranty records repairs dealers make without parts ie: noises, adjustments (including alignments) testing for codes, unable to confirm complaint....etc.
I'm sure this makes them look more reliable in that first couple of years where it counts.

Consumers Reports does not make up data, but their reports can only be as honest as the manufacturer data given to them.

Breadfan

10-25-2007, 09:02 PM

Breadfan, I'm sure there are long-lasting American cars out there. I'm just giving my experience with American cars (especially 70's and 80's) to Diabolic since he tsaid all imports lasted ONLY 5-years at most.

Funny you mention that, I was given a stack of old Road and Track magazines from someone, they dated between 1977 and 1982.

These are FUN reads!

Most fun is the tests of all the early emissions equipped cars, and how they rated cars good if they had "not too many cold start and overall driveability issues!"

It's funny to read these tests and how even on brand new test cars there were issues that we would consider severe these days in terms of drivability.

So you read an article on say, an Oldsmobile sedan, and you see that. But you read the Toyota Tercel article, and they mention it's good cold start behavior, and good drive ability.

You are right the 70's and 80's were the downturn time. American car makers struggled with smog regulations and the foreign makes (especially Japanese) seemed to be struggling a lot less.

It really foreshadows the image that American cars have had to struggle to overturn throughout the 90's and into this new millenium.

I actually have the road and track magazine that first tested the Cimmarron. :D I read it when I need a good laugh!

Peter

11-08-2007, 04:05 PM

"Unemployed yet? Keep buying foreign."

KLinardo

11-09-2007, 08:52 PM

Domestic V.S. Imports: What’s your view.

Will there be another Domestic in your driveway or will there be a Import.
Why did you choose Domestic?
Please be civil.

Import???
Funny joke.
The smallest engine in my driveway is a 1984 Mercury Station Wagon's
Then there is the 1988 cougar
Then There is a 1999 Ford Expedition XLT
Then There is the 2004 Black 2004 300A

imports...:flamer:... ha

merc6

11-10-2007, 05:19 AM

probly try an import next time around. im a big fan of the evo's and sti's
Look into legacys if you want sti but not in cop/street racer magnet form. Legacy GT is to sti as marauder is to cobra/mach I. Trust me I wanted power in a stealth package. I went to the track and they swore my car would only be good for high 15's. Also when you mod a boxer it souds more v8ish than a inline 4 ;) I remember my friends legacy gt exhaust sounding more v8ish than my marauder side by side. Downfall is you lose the mpg in the all time awd sysem and your abaility to stay out of boost. After mods I hit mid peak in like 3k range.

*Disclamer
Not trying to convert anyone it's your choice. Every other car I buy is import and the domestic is usualy black.

CVPete

11-10-2007, 05:24 AM

Domestic V.S. Imports: What’s your view.

Will there be another Domestic in your driveway or will there be a Import.
Why did you choose Domestic?
Please be civil.

I believe Ford and GM have cpme a long way over the past few years, I'm buying Domestic.

KLinardo

11-10-2007, 06:16 AM

I believe Ford and GM have cpme a long way over the past few years, I'm buying Domestic.

After 105 model years for Ford and 90, I think, for GM you have to keep their cars, mostly Ford, from being taken off the production line.

Look what they did to the Mercury Cougars.:mad2:

The 1988s, which I have, were the last Cougars you could get a V8. 1989 they said now you can get a V6 or a V6 with a little more power. This continued untill finnaly they ended the cars production model run that went on for 30+ years. Now they haven't even brought it back for its 40th anniversary like they did for the Marauders. If Ford dosen't bring it back in 2017 for its 50th anniversary I will be :mad2:the :censor: off!!!

03slickvic

11-10-2007, 06:56 AM

larryo340

11-10-2007, 06:59 AM

Look what they did to the Mercury Cougars.:mad2:

The 1988s, which I have, were the last Cougars you could get a V8. 1989 they said now you can get a V6 or a V6 with a little more power. This continued untill finnaly they ended the cars production model run that went on for 30+ years. Now they haven't even brought it back for its 40th anniversary like they did for the Marauders. If Ford dosen't bring it back in 2017 for its 50th anniversary I will be :mad2:the :censor: off!!!

:confused: You could get a 5.0 in a early 90's Cougar, and then in the last couple years of the Cougar you could get a 4.6L 2V

keithb123

11-16-2007, 11:57 PM

Love Big Bad American Muscle.

For style, looks & durability- Domestic (especially trucks). For fuel efficiency & everyday driving- Imports.

Peter

01-14-2008, 02:03 PM

BUCKWHEAT

01-14-2008, 02:51 PM

I own a Ford, a Lincoln & a Mercury. Only the Ford was Made in USA. With the US$ devaluing, expect to see more sales of the "assembled in USA" cars.

ledzilla

01-14-2008, 03:10 PM

I hate to bring back a old tread but here is my 2 cents.
Domestic cars are notorious for using the same body for many years, unlike foreign competition.
Also remember gas isn’t the most expensive part of owning a car insurance and maintenance .
That is why I choose ford, The Marauder and Grand Marquis are both made in Canada and supports local business. The parts are for the most part made in North America, unlike the imports although there assembled here very few parts are actually made here. There build quality is not the greatest and lacks any sense of style. At least in my opinion... Ford/GM/Chrysler stop following the trend and start leading.......

Actually, I'd have to disagree with you on the style point of your argument. I find that the domestics have much better styling (well, not all, but many) that a lot of imports, especially Asian imports. If you want weak styling look at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura. Even their nicest models have weak style, no sense of class, and poor aggresiveness/edgieness in their design. While they may rank high on quality, Mitsibishi and Nissan can kick their collective asses in style. Kia and Hyundai aren't kicking anyone's asses in anything. Except for maybe in the "cheap" department.

I will agree that Ford tends to be stodgy in their design. GM and Chrysler are definitely working on some good styling lately. Although I have some mixed feelings about a few of GM's newer styles.

And I will agree on not deciding on a car solely on mileage. Just because a car gets better mileage than anyting else on the road doesn't mean that it'll be worth your particular dollar. For me, my MM is the absolutely most perfect car I can own at this time in my life. It's far more fun and more practical for my lifestyle than say a truck, suv, Civic, or Mustang.

Well, I'd better shut my dumb self up. I've gone on a little further than I needed to.

DOOM

01-14-2008, 04:09 PM

Ford Only For Me.

QWK SVT

01-15-2008, 10:11 AM

In the process of picking up a used vehicle for the wife... 2001 Ford Escape. I don't want to say ever or never, but it's very unlikely I will purchase an imported vehicle, at least for the foreseeable future. Here are the key reasons:

I tend to find most import styling dull
I do not like FWD, and will not purchase one for myself, unless I am without any other option
Imports were not designed with larger drivers/passengers in mind - 6'6" and ~300 make a Civic slightly larger than my shoeFinally, wherever possible, I support local companies (that means Canada and the US, to me). While there are assembly jobs created by Toyota, Honda, etc., the profits from those sales leave this continent, and are not reinvested here (this is also a concern with DCX, to a lesser extent). In times of woe, who do you think will feel the pinch first? Employees at "home" or abroad? Furthermore, there are greater financial/economical implications of the profit being shipped overseas... In general, supporting companies based overseas is not a good spend of my dollar, in my eyes.

SC Cheesehead

01-15-2008, 10:38 AM

i can't wait till ford lets lose the interceptor in 09 , 4 valve 302 cammer small block with 400 hp stock, with a six speed. cant ask for anything more. i will be the first one on my block to get one! then slap a blower on and call it a day!

For sure!

BTW, looks like the concept car was built in DBP, gotta love it!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plugins/iimage-gallery.php?idpost=4600&idg=1&idi=6

SCCH

Aren Jay

01-17-2008, 03:17 PM

I've been considering another Domestic, Lightning, and an Import, Aviator.

QWK SVT

01-17-2008, 04:02 PM

I've been considering another Domestic, Lightning, and an Import, Aviator.

How's a Lincoln an import? Unless you meant because it was built at Ford's St. Louis Assembly Plant, and you're north of the border...

Aren Jay

01-19-2008, 07:23 PM

Give QWK SVT a Hand.

quota

01-19-2008, 08:07 PM

North american brand.

- European imports are very nice and attractive but I am still convinced that the local made cars are better adapted to the local driving conditions and environment
- Asian imports or asian local made cars (trojans) are mainly tools without soul. Besides, during years, they were built without any imagination, just using free of charge the results of the R&D spendings of the American and of the European manufacturers. The trojans are built with a local competence and knowhow developped and financed over many years. I would feel very uncomfortable in adding to the profits of Toyota or Hyundai while I could eventually help Ford, GM, to come back to black figures.

JP

ledzilla

01-21-2008, 07:34 AM

Cordoba1

01-21-2008, 12:54 PM

I am forced to point out that many of the foreign companies that sell cars in the United States are listed on the NYSE and are in fact, public companies. So the money you spend on their products isn't so much going "offshore," but into the hands of the share-holders. There is certainly lots of American investors of these companies. This blurs the line between foreign and domestic even further!

One might argue that the new Chrysler Corporation is the only "American" car company if this is your measure. They are currently held by private equity group, Cerberus -- which is a privately held American concern whose assets are not listed in any exchange.