Motor tick, help

[sd8683]

I went to jiffy lube today for an oil change then went to the car wash, as I was drying my car I noticed ticking louder than "normal" I'm wondering if they used the wrong oil, I had to go to work so I couldn't bring it back there, but I called and told the manager I would be stopping by in the morning, I'm hoping its just the wrong oil, what do you guys think?

Sean

[Rocknthehawk]

hopefully that fixes the problem. When Adam first bought his car, i don't remember why, but we took it back and asked them to change the oil and put the correct stuff in.

a tick is a tough problem...adam's blown motor was a little tick at first, but his was a case of parts not installed correctly

[Vortech347]

I would be double checking your dipstick to make sure there is oil on it!!!

These cars do not have a low oil or low oil presure light if I remember correctly.

[sd8683]

Yeah..... I checked it like 10 times, there's oil in there, no leaks either.

[Vortech347]

I'm wondering if they didn't put 5-20 in there and 10-30 instead.

[LVMarauder]

I would recommend a search. After that, just accept that these engines tick. Mine ticks and every marauder I have heard has a slight valve tick to it.

[sd8683]

I would recommend a search. After that, just accept that these engines tick. Mine ticks and every marauder I have heard has a slight valve tick to it.


I understand that they tick, that's why I put the word (normal) in quotations, this is louder than it ever was before

[offroadkarter]

I went to jiffy lube today for an oil change

Sean

Found the problem

Sorry but its true :(

[Vortech347]

I agree with Karter...

There's only one place I'll go to and its a last resort. A FoMoCo Dealer that has the correct oil. The stuff you get from quick lubes is crap.

[offroadkarter]

I agree with Karter...

There's only one place I'll go to and its a last resort. A FoMoCo Dealer that has the correct oil. The stuff you get from quick lubes is crap.

I took mine to the ford dealer here, Motorcraft oil and Motorcraft filter

Liked the car, In and out no problems :)

Jipya lube is not a good place to spend money.

[sd8683]

Guys.... Its not rocket science, you drain it, change filter, and refill, not that hard, if it is the wrong oil it could happen anywhere, I'd do it myself but I'm done doing that crap, I'd rather pay someone so I can have somebody to blame. It could just be a coincidence that I had my oil changed too, it might be just blown:(

[TAKEDOWN]

I say redo the oil change making sure everything is done correctly, wait and see the results... then freak out, some more if it's stlll there!

[offroadkarter]

Guys.... Its not rocket science, you drain it, change filter, and refill, not that hard, if it is the wrong oil it could happen anywhere, I'd do it myself but I'm done doing that crap, I'd rather pay someone so I can have somebody to blame. It could just be a coincidence that I had my oil changed too, it might be just blown:(


Jiffy lube will charge you and not do what you paid for

Dont put that much faith in them.

[sd8683]

I say redo the oil change making sure everything is done correctly, wait and see the results... then freak out, some more if it's stlll there!


Too late!! The freaking out has begun... That's the plan though , fresh oil change.

[sd8683]

Jiffy lube will charge you and not do what you paid for

Dont put that much faith in them.


I don't put any faith in anyone, I always expect the worst.

[TAKEDOWN]

I'm scared for you too, I'm not a mechanic, but I can hold a flashlight forever, hold parts, pass tools and open a cold one for you. I lack a lot of knowledge to stuff like this, I usually prepare myself for the worst, but expect the best.

[HotRodMercury]

I went to jiffy lube today for an oil change then went to the car wash, as I was drying my car I noticed ticking louder than "normal" I'm wondering if they used the wrong oil, I had to go to work so I couldn't bring it back there, but I called and told the manager I would be stopping by in the morning, I'm hoping its just the wrong oil, what do you guys think?

Sean

Just walk in ther tomorrow piss'ed off, and demand your correct oil,
mabey thay will evan trow in a free oil change for next time lol.

gb....

[Eric-Blk2004]

Does the ticking get worse under acceleration? Does it go away when warm?

I am not positivie its a simple oil issue. 5w20 and 10w30 are not night and day differences. Certainly not enough to cause engine damage or ticking.

My tick started off as a tick and then it oh crap something is definitely broken - exhaust manifold exhaust. 600 bucks later its quite as a mouse...relatively speaking.

[RF Overlord]

I am not positivie its a simple oil issue. 5w20 and 10w30 are not night and day differences. Certainly not enough to cause engine damage or ticking.^^^what Eric said^^^

Unless they put Harley/Davidson 60-weight oil in it, you would not notice any unusual sounds this quickly from a simple oil change.

Having said that, some oils DO transmit sound better than others; Mobil 1 is a perfect example. Over on BITOG, many members have commented that their motor sounded louder/noisier/different with M1 and that it went away when they swapped it out. Perhaps your local JL used a different brand of bulk oil (it's usually Pennzoil since JL is owned by SOPUS) than you had in there before.

[sd8683]

Well I went back to jiffy lube today, I had the manager take a listen and he pretended he didn't hear the tick until he realized I was getting EXTREMLY frustrated, then all of a sudden he says, sounds like a valve to me, so I say I want a new filter and an oil change, he said everything is fine we don't need to change anything, its not leaking or anything, this is where my frustration peaked, because how do I know they put the right oil in, he caved and put a new filter and oil in, its still ticking:(

[justbob]

Thats like sending your steak back to the chef, Fudge that, not me. I have very little trust with anybody as it is. Hope all is well.

[Glenn]

Funny thing I noticed is that most original owners who drove their cars hard when they were new did not seem to report any level of ticks.
Interesting - any other owners notice it?

Glenn :burnout:

[fastblackmerc]

Find a good mechanic and repair shop.

[Richy04]

Find out if they use Penzoil or the wrong weight oil.. I found that Penzoil causes some valvetrain noise and if its 10-30 that will do it too. These motors run some tight tolerances and the heavy Ford recommended oil should only be used in places where it would be thinner to begin with.. 5-20 is what it calls for, 5-20 is what it should get.

My Honda Hybrid takes 0-20, a local quicky oil dooshbag once put 10-30 in it and the mileage dropped like a rock. I went back and told him that I paid for the synthetic 0-20 and I expected to get it. He was dumbfounded as to how I knew.. When I told him that the car "told" me it was the wrong oil, he was surprised.

In fact it does, and it did it within 5 miles of leaving the place. These cars tell you everything on one gauge, the one that shows the MPG, 3 mpg loss for a dirty air filter, 3 mpg loss for a/c, 4-10 mpg collective loss on low tire pressure etc. When my mileage drops, I know something is up.

I told him if he didnt change it, I was going up the street to get the correct oil and I was going to change it in front of his garage door with no catch pan after he closed. He put the right oil in and I never went back there.

Synthetic oil from this guy came in quarts, the other stuff from a holding tank.. He didnt have the empty bottles to prove it so I knew I was right. Plus the stuff was rare at the time so the odds of him changing another hybrids oil was slim to none.

[Eric-Blk2004]

Sean - I seriously dont its the oil. This is a domestic car and its not made with rocket science. 5w20 and 10w30 are not going to be night and day differences.

Take it to DEZ or a shop you trust and get the problem fixed rather then trying to get a scam grease monkey shop to fix it.

Trust me its not worth stressing over and getting upset - drop it off at a solid mechanic and let them worry about it.

[RF Overlord]

These motors run some tight tolerances and the heavy Ford recommended oil should only be used in places where it would be thinner to begin with.Um...what?

[fastblackmerc]

That's right, the tighter tolerances in modern engines are better serviced by the lower weight synthetics. In fact, per their website, Mobile1 recommends 0W-20 for the Marauder.

[Eric-Blk2004]

Granted - but I seriously doubt if 10w30 was used Sean would be hearing this ticking - which is louder then normal.

I would imagine its something internal etc.

[bigmerc2003]

Funny thing I noticed is that most original owners who drove their cars hard when they were new did not seem to report any level of ticks.
Interesting - any other owners notice it?

Glenn :burnout:

My dad always said to drive it like you stole it for the first few thousand miles!!!! and we have never had a problem with an engine. i always thought he was old fashioned and nuts but he was right. i had a truck that was babied its whole life (family vehicle) and it ran like crap, pinged, ticked, knocked and would not run on regular!:drive: I was 25k miles behind the eight ball on my MM, but i think i have made up for it :burnout:

[RF Overlord]

That's right, the tighter tolerances in modern engines are better serviced by the lower weight synthetics.Yes, I understand that. The part of his quote I am having trouble with is:
the heavy Ford recommended oil should only be used in places where it would be thinner to begin with.That sentence makes no sense to me.

[Eric-Blk2004]

Heavy oil will thin at a better rate in areas of the engine where the oil will thin. Make sense?

If a thin oil is used at the start - when it starts to thin in the engine due to narrow feed lines, or excessive heat, it will break down and thin out. Thus not lubing properly.

The same reason why some people use 5w in the winter and 10w in the summer. Cold oil tends to bulk more and some people believe the 5w becomes 10w in the cold - I know its weird right? And that hot summers break down the oil faster so a5w in the summer thins out and breaks down sooner then a 10w.

Weird...

[RF Overlord]

Eric, please tell me you're just having some fun with me... ;)

[Eric-Blk2004]

:) peopel will believe anything!

Just like Gran Tursimo 3 if you changed the oil - bam 50hp!

Or since Nascar changes their oil oh you know every race - I should change mine every 2 weeks! Because you know, if they do it I should.

Come on man you know the crazy car myths people believe.

[sd8683]

I'll be bringing it to my mechanic on monday, to me it sounds like the tick is coming passenger side head, i,ll baby it and only drive it when i have to.

[sd8683]

:) peopel will believe anything!

Just like Gran Tursimo 3 if you changed the oil - bam 50hp!

Or since Nascar changes their oil oh you know every race - I should change mine every 2 weeks! Because you know, if they do it I should.

Come on man you know the crazy car myths people believe.

The only reason i thought it was oil related was i heard the noise 10 minutes after i got it changed

[Eric-Blk2004]

Sean - does it get worse when you accelerate? Is is a steady tick? Does it go away or lesson after warm up?

Is a ticktickitckitcktickitcktick - steayd or a clunkclunktickclunkclunktick - gets louder under accel??

Does it sound like its coming from the front or rear of the engine? My gasket was front driver side, lower middle of the head. When I searched that in google it came up either gasket or timing chain skip

The skip can happen since our chains are in the front part of the heads - and its actually common.

Also...not to scare you but there is a silent recall on Cobra heads. They were made by two different vendors, and the other vendor had a high fail rate. Ford sollution was to change the whole head assembly.

Google it. I wish you the best bro. Hope its a gasket

[Eric-Blk2004]

No I hear I would think something similar - like they screwed me and f somethin up. but yea it sux been there man

[sd8683]

Sean - does it get worse when you accelerate? Is is a steady tick? Does it go away or lesson after warm up?

Is a ticktickitckitcktickitcktick - steayd or a clunkclunktickclunkclunktick - gets louder under accel??

Does it sound like its coming from the front or rear of the engine? My gasket was front driver side, lower middle of the head. When I searched that in google it came up either gasket or timing chain skip

The skip can happen since our chains are in the front part of the heads - and its actually common.

Also...not to scare you but there is a silent recall on Cobra heads. They were made by two different vendors, and the other vendor had a high fail rate. Ford sollution was to change the whole head assembly.

Google it. I wish you the best bro. Hope its a gasket

I have selective hearing sometimes, i'm sure it doesnt help working around trains all day, but i start hearing it about a minute or so after i start it up, it doesnt seem to get louder as i accelerate, just a steady tick

[Vortech347]

this thread reminds me of the "ticking" associated with the cams failing in the V8 SHO's.

[bigmerc2003]

are we all looking at this wrong? take out the oil change and then think about the tick on the passenger side of the head, could it simply be a cracked manifold or a bad manifold gasket?? if it happens after start up then i would start to look at heat causing it. if it were oil related wouldnt it be on start up??

[Paul T. Casey]

Funny thing I noticed is that most original owners who drove their cars hard when they were new did not seem to report any level of ticks.
Interesting - any other owners notice it?

Glenn :burnout:


I did a "neutral drop" leaving my brother's house the night I bought mine. Probably less than 60 miles on it. Other than the addiction to "driving it hard" and the money spent in mods, tires, and track fees, I have no complaints with the mechanics of the car.

[Richy04]

Rf, sorry for the brain fart..

I didnt even understand what I wrote.. :-)

I meant that in normal climates under normal use 5-20 is acceptable, a place like AZ that is always hot, 5-30 or 10-30 (in the dead of summer) should be ok in a tight tolerance motor that requires 5-20. I noticed when they used Penzoil in my 04 that the top end was noisier than other brands..

My Hybrid takes 0-20 synth now and its a noisy motor to begin with. One time I got it changed and the car was super quiet.. Yep, the mileage dropped like a rock, they put 10-30 in.. Its ok and all, but is far from efficient..

The Marauder runs very tight tolerances and 5-20 would flow much easier thru those tight places thus run quieter.. On my Hybrid, the thing is so loose that heavier oil quiets it down. At 183k miles, my Hybrid sounds the same as it did at 50k miles..

Chances are they used the wrong oil weight or Penzoil, which I found to be noisier in the Marauder.. Richy

[Richy04]

if it were oil related wouldnt it be on start up??


Good point,

When I first picked up my Marauder, I had that typical Ford bottom end rattle on startup that wasnt there when I test drove it.. As a courtesy they changed the oil when it was being prepped.

They too put the wrong oil in the car (not a Ford dealer). I changed it to 5-20 synth and it immediately went away although I dont recall any valvetrain noise along with that episode.

Anyway, try an oil change before you commit to anything, make sure they use the right oil in the car and maybe your problem will go away.

[sd8683]

Good point,

When I first picked up my Marauder, I had that typical Ford bottom end rattle on startup that wasnt there when I test drove it.. As a courtesy they changed the oil when it was being prepped.

They too put the wrong oil in the car (not a Ford dealer). I changed it to 5-20 synth and it immediately went away although I dont recall any valvetrain noise along with that episode.

Anyway, try an oil change before you commit to anything, make sure they use the right oil in the car and maybe your problem will go away.

I already had the oil changed, and it's still ticking away:(
Off to my mechanic in the morning, and is'nt oil at it's thickest on start up and gradually thinning out as the motor gets hot? That's what I always thought?

[Zack]

Call me first if you need Major repair.

[sd8683]

Call me first if you need Major repair.

Do you have something I might need?

[HotRodMercury]

Guys.... Its not rocket science, you drain it, change filter, and refill, not that hard, if it is the wrong oil it could happen anywhere, I'd do it myself but I'm done doing that crap, I'd rather pay someone so I can have somebody to blame. It could just be a coincidence that I had my oil changed too, it might be just blown:(

Yeah check this out, when i took it in for a oil change
thay dint wanna give me a receipt and I was like,
hold up thats why I came here in the first place a need
a peace of paper state'in you guys changed the oil'
so I know were to go for a new engine just in case if
that drain plug isnt on tight,

then he's like well check it out for your self im like no isnt it
againts your policy to allow customers into the shop lol
so ya any ways thats way I also change my oil at a lube shop
me not being the fault of my engine blown up lol.

[HotRodMercury]

Sean - I seriously dont its the oil. This is a domestic car and its not made with rocket science. 5w20 and 10w30 are not going to be night and day differences.

Take it to DEZ or a shop you trust and get the problem fixed rather then trying to get a scam grease monkey shop to fix it.

Trust me its not worth stressing over and getting upset - drop it off at a solid mechanic and let them worry about it.

I seriously dont its the oil.


yes it is Dumb A??

penzoil will destroy some cars' Never use this oil

[Aren Jay]

Do you think maybe they, jiffy lube dropped something in your oil? A nut or something that is making the tick sound as it flows through your car or in the oil pan etc... Your oil filter should catch it but then it might be too big to stay in the filter and may tick.

just a thought from left field.

[RF Overlord]

penzoil will destroy some cars' Never use this oilThat's absolutely false.

The old "Pennzoil causes sludge" and "Pennzoil ruined my motor" myths have been around for 40 years; they weren't true then and they aren't true now.

Pennzoil conventional in the yellow bottle and Pennzoil Platinum synthetic are both very highly regarded by people who know better.

[Eric-Blk2004]

I got burned - lol by the man upstairs! Oh noes! rofl

Anyway - I will wait for Sean to update since you know...its his car and he taking it to the mechanic

I love people

[Stangracer89]

I too still have a tick that is louder than normal. What are your opinions on changing to Royal Purple 5W-30? it has had nothing but regular oil in it and has 87K on the motor. The heads have been changed about 2K miles ago but the sound seems to come from the drivers head but my Mech. said it is in the block.

[fastblackmerc]

I too still have a tick that is louder than normal. What are your opinions on changing to Royal Purple 5W-30? it has had nothing but regular oil in it and has 87K on the motor. The heads have been changed about 2K miles ago but the sound seems to come from the drivers head but my Mech. said it is in the block.

Regular oil!!!!! :eek:

You should be using at least semi-syn oil per the owners manual.

[RF Overlord]

^^^what fastblackmerc said^^^

...although if you were changing the oil at 3-5k intervals you should be fine.

By all means, switch to RP if you like. It's a great oil.

[sd8683]

I got the car back today and my mechanic said that he could hear it and said it sounds like it's coming from the passenger side head, but what's strange is he said once he put the stethoscope to the valve cover he could'nt hear it:dunno: and he also said it only ticked at idle, he said he powerbraked it and it did'nt tick a tall, he said he could tear it down and take a look but was'nt confident he'd find anything, sounds to me like it's time for a second opinion. What do you guy's think?

[Dragcity]

Personally, what I wouold do, is run a Seafoam treatment through it. Drain the crappy oil. Go to the parts store, get the correct Motorcraft oil and Motorcraft filter.

Jack the car so as much oil as you can get out, comes out. Wipe everyhting up real well, put the new filter on, fill with the Motorcraft oil.

Change it every 3 - 5K miles.

If you really want peice of mind, start changing oil yourself. Then, you won't have to blame anyone when things go awry, as nothing will go wrong.

I'll be honest, I tried Mobil 1 and my engine sounded 'different', so I went back to good old motorcraft blend after the 5,000 mi useful life of the oil.

Don't be shy about getting a little dirty by changing your oil.

[Eric-Blk2004]

I got the car back today and my mechanic said that he could hear it and said it sounds like it's coming from the passenger side head, but what's strange is he said once he put the stethoscope to the valve cover he could'nt hear it:dunno: and he also said it only ticked at idle, he said he powerbraked it and it did'nt tick a tall, he said he could tear it down and take a look but was'nt confident he'd find anything, sounds to me like it's time for a second opinion. What do you guy's think?

Change the oil and keep an eye on it. You seafoam recently I believe. Keep an eye on it - its just a tick hate to say that.

But until it becomes worse your better off keeping an eye on it and watch it rather then have him strip and find nothing. I do not think a second opinion would shed more light on it.

Drive it like normal - IF something is broken let it break if you baby it then you are not driving it like its "normal" :burnout:

Good luck bro!:beer:

[Richy04]

The reason Motorcraft wants a blend is there are properties in both types of oil that are beneficial.

I worked on Fiats for many years, they consumed more oil than any other 4 cylinder made at the time and for good reason, and they ran 20-50 as the normal weight oil. They ran a loose oil control ring that allowed a thin film of heavy weight oil on the cylinder walls.

Those F#(kers would rev up to 9K and were pretty tough motors, I had one for 5 years and pulled the head on it and the cross hatch was still on the walls and they pulled pretty hard with a simple set of headers and some carburation and could easily make 150hp (during the smog era).

The bodies would rust and the heavy oil would put a major strain on the timing belts and they were interference engines, so you had to change the belts often. They were fun to drive and screamed way past redline.

But you could take any one of them from a junkyard and they would start right up. The only known killer for that motor at that time was Mobil 1 synthetic, it would collect behind the rings and force them into the cylinder walls and destroy the motor. They've since corrected the formula, but it demonstrates that some motors need certain types of oil for certain reason.

Please remember before you comment about Fiats, they own Ferrari, they have the finest aluminum manufacturing facility in the world and the Teksid blocks were made by them. They lead the way for robotics in automotive manufacturing and just about every company bought robotics tooling from them over the years..

[Eric-Blk2004]

I seriously doubt a Domestic motor is as picky as an italian pasta rocket. European cars are notorious for over engineering and taking 12 steps to solve a 3 step problem.

That said - I doubt fossil fuel oil would kill these motors. Its a Ford, its American, it uses oil. Its not rocket science - lets not over complicate things :).

[Paul]

That's absolutely false.

The old "Pennzoil causes sludge" and "Pennzoil ruined my motor" myths have been around for 40 years; they weren't true then and they aren't true now.

Pennzoil conventional in the yellow bottle and Pennzoil Platinum synthetic are both very highly regarded by people who know better.


as in: BITOG :up:

[Paul]

I got the car back today and my mechanic said that he could hear it and said it sounds like it's coming from the passenger side head, but what's strange is he said once he put the stethoscope to the valve cover he could'nt hear it:dunno: and he also said it only ticked at idle, he said he powerbraked it and it did'nt tick a tall, he said he could tear it down and take a look but was'nt confident he'd find anything, sounds to me like it's time for a second opinion. What do you guy's think?


My situation sounded similar. It was the timing wheel. The wheel had worn a critical notch out of shape by having the harmonic balancer/crank pulley bolt improperly torqued. This most likely happened by putting on the UD pulleys, or by my trying to re-silicone a slight leak from the key there, for which I R&R'd the pulley. The proper torque is what holds the wheel in place. Loose meant wiggle and wear. The wheel was $31.00. The labor to diagnose and put it in was about $700 IIRC.

[Paul T. Casey]

I got the car back today and my mechanic said that he could hear it and said it sounds like it's coming from the passenger side head, but what's strange is he said once he put the stethoscope to the valve cover he could'nt hear it:dunno: and he also said it only ticked at idle, he said he powerbraked it and it did'nt tick a tall, he said he could tear it down and take a look but was'nt confident he'd find anything, sounds to me like it's time for a second opinion. What do you guy's think?

Run it as you normally do. If you need a major repair call Zack. If it's already broke, not much sense in trying to baby it for a few more miles and prolonging the frustration. IMHO, I don't think there's much wrong with it. If your mechanic did a brake stand and couldn't hear anything, I'd trust his judgement.

[HotRodMercury]

befor I bought my marauder,
looked at a 04 mach 1 heard some what of a tick,
mabey its just a bad habbit that these motors do, not all but some?.