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KillJoy
10-17-2008, 01:01 PM
I found this while poking around on www.cnn.com (http://www.cnn.com). Here is a LINK (http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/10/15/aa.auto.detailing.secrets/index.html) to the actual article.

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Taking care of your car's appearance doesn't qualify as vanity, it's smart vehicle ownership. You can hire a professional auto detailer to care for your car for $100 to $500 -- or you can swipe their secrets, do it yourself and save some dough.<!--startclickprintexclude-->
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<!--endclickprintexclude-->There are a few professional organizations for detailers, like the National Association for Professional Detailing & Reconditioning (NAPDR) and the Professional Detailers Association, where you can find references for local detailers, but membership in either or any organization does not guarantee competence.
If you're going to hire a detailer, ask a lot of questions, ask for references and to see sample work, and agree to a price in writing before the detailing work begins.
"There are no secrets in this business anymore," said NAPDR Membership Chairman Randy Lowe, who also owns Randy's Custom Detail in Salem, Oregon. With the free flow of information on the Internet, do-it-yourselfers have access to all of the tools and tricks of the trade available to the pros.
If you choose to detail your own ride, be prepared to spend a little bit of money gathering the proper tools and materials.
You may already have most of the right stuff handy in your garage; if you must gather everything from scratch, you might spend from $30 to $100 or more, depending on how extensive you want your detail job to be.

The most important material that you'll need is already in your tool kit. For Lowe, the secret ingredient is hard work and elbow grease.
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"Good detailing is 90% application and 10% product," he said. "The best detailer can get decent results with decent products, but the worst detailer can't get great results even with great products."

There are few automotive maintenance chores that are more satisfying, accessible to all skill levels and truly beneficial for your car than a good detail job.
We've collected the top secrets that will help you to get professional results, make your detailing more fun, more successful and easier.

Secret #1: Use two buckets to wash
Detailers know that the two bucket method is the best way to get your exterior clean. Use one bucket to hold your clean suds, and another bucket to hold clean water. Before you dip your cleaning mitt into the clean suds, rinse it off in the clean water bucket and wring it dry.
Then, you're always putting a clean mitt into the clean suds that will go on your car. If you only use one bucket, you're just moving dirt off of your car, into your suds and back onto your car.
Some pros have started using the Grit Guard insert, a $9.99 tray that helps sediment settle to the bottom of your wash bucket, instead of getting stirred up in the water and recollected on your wash mitt.

Secret #2: Join the microfiber revolution
We're living the microfiber revolution. Pro detailers use color-coded, task-specific microfiber cloths and towels for greater efficiency, lower friction and scratching and easier washing, rinsing and drying. Mike Pennington, director of training and consumer relations for Meguiars, emphasizes that it's important to wash your microfiber as a separate load, not mixed in with the regular laundry and rags.
Microfiber will trap the lint from cotton towels, defeating the purpose of the wash. Use very little detergent and skip the fabric softener, which will coat the fibers and inhibit microfiber's qualities. Double up on the rinse cycle, and your microfiber will perform at its best. Remove any labels and stitching before you use your towels to avoid scratching.
And remember, you get what you pay for -- those cheapo packs of microfiber from the warehouse store are not nearly as good as the ones you can find at online specialty stores.

Secret #3: Detail your trim first
This tip comes from Jim Dvorak, a product specialist at Mothers Polish. He suggests using a trim protectant/restorer like Mothers' Back to Black before waxing your paint. Wash and dry your vehicle, then apply the trim protectant.
The product will repel polish and wax that might otherwise stain your trim. Some pro detailers use masking tape to protect the trim during waxing -- this application can help save time and cleanup.

Secret #4: Use a buffer to apply product, a towel to remove
Consumers sometimes get confused by the name of the tool, and use a power buffer to remove wax or polish from the painted surfaces of their cars. A buffer can leave erratic swirl marks in your clear coat and paint if used to remove product, that's not what it's for.
Use the buffer to apply wax, and then use a soft, dry cloth to remove it. You'll avoid burning the paint or damaging the clear coat, and you'll wind up with a thin, even coat of wax.

Secret #5: Get a dual action polisher
For just a little bit more than you'd spend on a good direct drive polisher and an orbital polisher, you can get the perfect blend of both tools with a dual action polisher like the Flex XC 3401 VRG, which retails for around $280.
Based in Stuttgart, Germany, Flex has been making tools since 1922, and has been building dedicated auto finish polishers since 1988. The XC 3401 VRG is detailer Randy Lowe's favorite tool for exterior finishes. He says that it will handle 90% of the polishing chores you will encounter.
Meguiars' Dual Action Polisher ($149) is a little more consumer friendly, and a little less expensive than the Flex. It doesn't have the forced rotation, which keeps the tool moving even under a heavy load. Forced rotation is a great feature for an expert who knows how to use it; in inexperienced hands, it can do more harm than good.

Secret #6: Use a clay bar system
This secret may be out of the bag already, but it's such a good one that it bears repeating. There's no better way to remove surface contaminants from paint than with a good clay bar system. Pros have been using clay for years, and consumer versions have been on the market for at least a decade.
A good clay bar system includes a spray lubricant, usually a detailing spray, an 80 - 100 gram clay bar, and a towel. According to Mike Pennington from Meguiars, after washing and drying your car, you rub the clay bar on the paint to remove "bonded environmental contaminants" without removing paint thickness.
The smoother paint surface takes polishing and wax better, and extends the life of subsequent treatments. Meguiars' Smooth Surface Clay Kit retails for $19.99; Mothers' California Gold Clay Bar Paint Saving System is $19.95.

Secret #7: Use a plastic grocery bag to check the paint surface
Hers's another tip from Jim Dvorak at Mothers. Once you have cleaned your paint's surface of contaminants with a clay bar system or other cleaner, it's important to make sure that you've really removed all the dirt before you seal the surface with wax.
Put your hand in an ordinary thin plastic grocery bag, and run it over the surface of the paint. The plastic bag will amplify any bumps and imperfections, so that you can go back and detail again. Keep rechecking until the surface is totally smooth, then polish (if necessary) and apply protective wax.

Secret #8: Dry your glass in two directions
Here's a great tip from Meguiars' Pennington: Dry your glass in two directions. Get into the habit of doing your final wipe of interior glass in a horizontal direction, and the final wipe on the exterior in a vertical direction.
Then, when you find the inevitable streak, you'll instantly know whether it's on the inside (horizontal) or the outside (vertical) of the glass. You'll get perfectly clear glass without jumping in and out of the vehicle chasing that streak.

Secret #9: Brush it first
Pennington says that when it comes to cleaning interiors, mechanical agitation is always better than chemical intervention. That means that your first line of attack is a good brush.
For instance, before vacuuming your carpeting, de-mat the fibers by using a stiff nylon brush. Then, when you vacuum, the dirt will be free in the carpet, and will be much easier to extract. The same goes for door panels, though you'll want to use a gentler brush. If more aggressive cleaning is necessary, start gently, use a gentle solution of fabric cleaner, and dry with a soft cotton cloth.

Secret #10: Make static electricity your friend
To remove stubborn pet hair from your car's carpets, put on a pair of latex gloves (readily available in boxes of 100 from any home improvement store) and then rub your hand over the carpet. The static electricity caused by the latex glove will help bring the pet hair up to the surface of the carpet for easy removal by hand or vacuum.

Secret #11: Leave the headliner alone
According to Pennington, there's one part of the car that detailers avoid if at all possible: the headliner. Even a little bit of agitation can cause the glue in a headliner to fail, causing way more problems than it is worth. Keep your ministrations to a minimum when it comes to cleaning, brushing and tending to the headliner fabric.
If you positively must clean your headliner, use very little moisture, and never allow it to soak through the outer fabric.
Auto detailing can be a great way to bond with your car, and to make your automotive investment go farther, last longer and look better. Hopefully these top secrets will help you and your ride along the way.

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KillJoy

TiTo35
10-17-2008, 01:43 PM
Thanks...good find :up:

BAD MERC
10-17-2008, 01:45 PM
Excellent tips - I will try some for the car show here Sunday!

Rider90
10-17-2008, 02:33 PM
I don't normally get involved with these topics, and I know that sounds stupid, but I read up on what people are doing and it drives me nuts. I had to chime in on this one and offer some of the advice I have. Take it with a grain of salt if you want to disagree, I've only detailed 50 Marauders. I don't mean to come off cocky if my explanations are short, please ask if you are unsure. It is kind of spotty as I have a few other things going on right now.


Secret #1: Use two buckets to wash
Detailers know that the two bucket method is the best way to get your exterior clean. Use one bucket to hold your clean suds, and another bucket to hold clean water. Before you dip your cleaning mitt into the clean suds, rinse it off in the clean water bucket and wring it dry.
Then, you're always putting a clean mitt into the clean suds that will go on your car. If you only use one bucket, you're just moving dirt off of your car, into your suds and back onto your car.
Some pros have started using the Grit Guard insert, a $9.99 tray that helps sediment settle to the bottom of your wash bucket, instead of getting stirred up in the water and recollected on your wash mitt.
How does the clean water bucket always stay "Clean" if you're constantly emptying the dirty sediment into it? It doesn't. Try the ten bucket method or just get a good foam gun - Google #75QGFMR.

Secret #2: Join the microfiber revolution
We're living the microfiber revolution. Pro detailers use color-coded, task-specific microfiber cloths and towels for greater efficiency, lower friction and scratching and easier washing, rinsing and drying. Mike Pennington, director of training and consumer relations for Meguiars, emphasizes that it's important to wash your microfiber as a separate load, not mixed in with the regular laundry and rags.
Microfiber will trap the lint from cotton towels, defeating the purpose of the wash. Use very little detergent and skip the fabric softener, which will coat the fibers and inhibit microfiber's qualities. Double up on the rinse cycle, and your microfiber will perform at its best. Remove any labels and stitching before you use your towels to avoid scratching.
And remember, you get what you pay for -- those cheapo packs of microfiber from the warehouse store are not nearly as good as the ones you can find at online specialty stores.
All spot on minus the claim that cheapo packs of Microfiber are not as nice as what you can get online. I used to think this too until I ran my own tests in Spring 2008. I purchased fifteen different types of microfiber detailing towels online along with a few brands from Target, Autozone, Murrays, etc... Did the CD test and the cheapo brands performed just as good as the premium towels for 1/4 the price. However, certain towels had better qualities than others in aspects of plushness (Plush is great for quick detailing sprays) and seamed edging along with the overall texture of the microfiber in relation to it's ability to clean glass, remove wax or polish residue, etc... In short, practice the CD test on your microfibers - Buy a brand new CD (Brand New!) and wipe the microfiber across it. The CD surface is more sensitive to scratches than your clear coat and will show the scratches much easier. If it doesn't scratch, you're good to go. Make sure you store microfibers in an air-tight area as they are dust magnets. Do not leave them out in the open, on a shelf, etc... When in doubt, wash them. I prefer Micro-Restore for washing verses regular detergent (See Autogeek.)

Secret #3: Detail your trim first
This tip comes from Jim Dvorak, a product specialist at Mothers Polish. He suggests using a trim protectant/restorer like Mothers' Back to Black before waxing your paint. Wash and dry your vehicle, then apply the trim protectant.
The product will repel polish and wax that might otherwise stain your trim. Some pro detailers use masking tape to protect the trim during waxing -- this application can help save time and cleanup.
Not a bad idea, but why not just avoid putting wax on your trim to begin with? Sounds like that is much faster. Zaino will not stain trim, however all carnauba products and most of your synthetics will. Just don't get it on your trim to begin with and you won't need to wonder if yours will or won't stain ;) Marauder trim is mostly painted anyways, just be careful around the front license plate mount. The claim about the Mothers' Back to Black repelling wax/polish that would stain your trim - You would have to apply this product on the edges of the trim which is pressed up against the painted panel. So either way you're getting close to an area you don't want to touch with the other product. If you don't coat the edges with Black to black, how does it repell?

Secret #4: Use a buffer to apply product, a towel to remove
Consumers sometimes get confused by the name of the tool, and use a power buffer to remove wax or polish from the painted surfaces of their cars. A buffer can leave erratic swirl marks in your clear coat and paint if used to remove product, that's not what it's for.
Use the buffer to apply wax, and then use a soft, dry cloth to remove it. You'll avoid burning the paint or damaging the clear coat, and you'll wind up with a thin, even coat of wax.
A buffer can leave erratic swirl marks regardless of it being used to apply or remove wax. Buffing is an art of abrasives. I am surprised they told you to use a buffer but did not mention anything about foam pads or bonnets. Applying wax by hand or by machine does not make any difference in waxing quality, only if you are using a polish. A polish is anything abrasive and a wax is non-abrasive, however, your method of application IS a big variable. 3" foam pads by Meguiars are an excellent choice if doing it by hand (Should be available at the parts store). By machine (Stick with Dual Action or Random Orbit unless you're a professional) use a non-abrasive foam pad like a 6.5" Lake Country Red CCS Pad (Search Autogeek). Microfiber bonnets are generally O.K. but do the CD test first to be sure. Some polishers (Porter Cable 7424) come with a white polishing pad for free, do not use this to apply wax, it is abrasive and will do damage. If unsure, stick with a microfiber bonnet.

Secret #5: Get a dual action polisher
For just a little bit more than you'd spend on a good direct drive polisher and an orbital polisher, you can get the perfect blend of both tools with a dual action polisher like the Flex XC 3401 VRG, which retails for around $280.
Based in Stuttgart, Germany, Flex has been making tools since 1922, and has been building dedicated auto finish polishers since 1988. The XC 3401 VRG is detailer Randy Lowe's favorite tool for exterior finishes. He says that it will handle 90% of the polishing chores you will encounter.
Meguiars' Dual Action Polisher ($149) is a little more consumer friendly, and a little less expensive than the Flex. It doesn't have the forced rotation, which keeps the tool moving even under a heavy load. Forced rotation is a great feature for an expert who knows how to use it; in inexperienced hands, it can do more harm than good.
This one is kind of in line with #4. Getting a dual action/random orbit polisher isn't going to do much for you unless you know how to use it. It isn't something that you'll open up from the box, use it on your car, and it'll blow you away... Unfortunately ;) Along with the random orbit power buffer, there are up to eight different foam pad compositions with different abrasive levels to make the tool perform how you want it to. Take those foam pads and then bring in the dozens of possibilities of different polishes to use if you intend to restore the surface. If that isn't enough, what speed do you apply it and how fast do you move it across the surface and in what pattern? Speeds 1,2,3,4,5,6. Choosing the correct foam pad density and correct polish takes experience - If you're interested, cool, if not - Coming from a person that has been there and done that, I would really only suggest a buffer to someone that wants to repair the surface from scratches. It will save you time waxing, yes, and if that time is worth the $150-$250 you'll spend on the buffer, foam pads, foam pad cleaning tools/solutions, and the greater amount of wax you'll waste, then a buffer is for you. I have both rotary and random orbit buffers, over a hundred foam pads, cleaning tools, cleaning buckets, pad solutions, and so on... IMHO you can put Zaino on a Marauder in 10-15 minutes by hand and enjoy every bit of it. If you don't enjoy applying wax to your car, maybe detailing your own cars isn't for you (Honestly, waxing is the most basic part of a detail and you would be taking shortcuts at step #1) No offense, but really, think about that. If you are purchasing a "Buffer" at the auto parts store for $29.99, my head will explode if you ask me about it.

Rider90
10-17-2008, 02:34 PM
secret #6: Use a clay bar system
this secret may be out of the bag already, but it's such a good one that it bears repeating. There's no better way to remove surface contaminants from paint than with a good clay bar system. Pros have been using clay for years, and consumer versions have been on the market for at least a decade.
A good clay bar system includes a spray lubricant, usually a detailing spray, an 80 - 100 gram clay bar, and a towel. According to mike pennington from meguiars, after washing and drying your car, you rub the clay bar on the paint to remove "bonded environmental contaminants" without removing paint thickness.
The smoother paint surface takes polishing and wax better, and extends the life of subsequent treatments. Meguiars' smooth surface clay kit retails for $19.99; mothers' california gold clay bar paint saving system is $19.95.
spot on. A clay does not fill in scratches like i've heard many times, it simply removes contamination and if done properly will leave your painted surface feeling like glass and will definitely give an overall clearer reflection. You can use it on plastic and glass too, so long as you lube the surface first. Skip the meguiar's kit, their clay will fall apart in your hand, and the clay lube is hardly lube. Same with mothers. Use clay magic, should also be available at your local auto parts store (autozone). Clay magic has a small kit that includes the clay and clay lube. If you want to move up, buy a zaino z-18 from their online store and mix your own clay lube with two capfuls of z-7 in a 32.oz spray bottle with the rest water. You're good to go. Don't skimp on any clay lube, be generous, because if you're not you could have a hard time cleaning up the clay marks from your paint.

secret #7: Use a plastic grocery bag to check the paint surface
hers's another tip from jim dvorak at mothers. Once you have cleaned your paint's surface of contaminants with a clay bar system or other cleaner, it's important to make sure that you've really removed all the dirt before you seal the surface with wax.
Put your hand in an ordinary thin plastic grocery bag, and run it over the surface of the paint. The plastic bag will amplify any bumps and imperfections, so that you can go back and detail again. Keep rechecking until the surface is totally smooth, then polish (if necessary) and apply protective wax.
i've never done this, i can just tell with my hand as i am washing the car. The way i look at it, would you really buff your car with a plastic grocery bag? Makes me cringe. Easy way to tell - has your car ever been clay barred? No? Perfect! Has it been clay barred within the last 5,000 miles? No? Great! Go for it! I see brand new cars with 10 miles on them that needed the clay bar from sitting out on the dealer lot or being transported by rail. We could get really advanced and talk about different grades of automotive detailing clay but i'll stop there ;)

secret #8: Dry your glass in two directions
here's a great tip from meguiars' pennington: Dry your glass in two directions. Get into the habit of doing your final wipe of interior glass in a horizontal direction, and the final wipe on the exterior in a vertical direction.
Then, when you find the inevitable streak, you'll instantly know whether it's on the inside (horizontal) or the outside (vertical) of the glass. You'll get perfectly clear glass without jumping in and out of the vehicle chasing that streak.
always cool to learn something new, but if you do this for a living you'll be able to tell just based on the depth and reflection of light on the streak. Never really thought about how crazy i am until i just said that. Cool? Anyways, this one is definitely worth a shot. How about a real secret? Use sprayway - available at your local grocery store 99% of the time. Use a glass microfiber towel (often green) that you can get online and skip using a paper towel or plushy microfiber. Invisible glass works great but have found it to be finicky at saturated humidity levels. Sprayway is an old glass cleaner that a lot of detailers like myself have picked up on, and here we are spending tons of coin on special cleaners when this stuff is available down the street for a couple of bucks and it does a spectacular and streakless job. One thing worth noting is that if your glass is very dirty, developing a haze, etc... It may take a few cleanings to get rid of all the greasy haze marks. As the sun shines on your dashboard, it heats it up and in turn releases a gas/fume/what-have-you which floats up to your glass and adheres itself.

secret #9: Brush it first
pennington says that when it comes to cleaning interiors, mechanical agitation is always better than chemical intervention. That means that your first line of attack is a good brush.
For instance, before vacuuming your carpeting, de-mat the fibers by using a stiff nylon brush. Then, when you vacuum, the dirt will be free in the carpet, and will be much easier to extract. The same goes for door panels, though you'll want to use a gentler brush. If more aggressive cleaning is necessary, start gently, use a gentle solution of fabric cleaner, and dry with a soft cotton cloth.
this is true, agitating the fibers usually pops up little pieces of dirt whereas before they would just be at the bottom from your feet stomping them in. A great locally available parts store carpet cleaner is oxi-magic (the only armor-all product i use) but this varies greatly on the stain.

secret #10: Make static electricity your friend
to remove stubborn pet hair from your car's carpets, put on a pair of latex gloves (readily available in boxes of 100 from any home improvement store) and then rub your hand over the carpet. The static electricity caused by the latex glove will help bring the pet hair up to the surface of the carpet for easy removal by hand or vacuum.
i wear nitrile, must be a latex thing? What i've found to work great is a pet hair remover that i got at a pet store that just acts like a hard rubber squeegee. In every instance it has plowed the hair out of the carpet with little effort and zero negative results.

secret #11: Leave the headliner alone
according to pennington, there's one part of the car that detailers avoid if at all possible: The headliner. Even a little bit of agitation can cause the glue in a headliner to fail, causing way more problems than it is worth. Keep your ministrations to a minimum when it comes to cleaning, brushing and tending to the headliner fabric.
If you positively must clean your headliner, use very little moisture, and never allow it to soak through the outer fabric.
Auto detailing can be a great way to bond with your car, and to make your automotive investment go farther, last longer and look better. Hopefully these top secrets will help you and your ride along the way.
exactly. This and the hoodliner myself.

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KillJoy
10-17-2008, 02:39 PM
I don't normally get involved with these topics, and I know that sounds stupid, but I read up on what people are doing and it drives me nuts. I had to chime in on this one and offer some of the advice I have. Take it with a grain of salt if you want to disagree, I've only detailed 50 Marauders. I don't mean to come off cocky if my explanations are short, please ask if you are unsure. It is kind of spotty as I have a few other things going on right now.


Why would anyone be upset giving GOOD input! Thanks for your input and tips!

:beer:

KillJoy

Vortech347
10-17-2008, 02:41 PM
I won't touch a buffer with a 10ft pole. Its "hands on" for myself. Unles you do it daily for your job. They can REALLY ruin clear coats if your not an expert with them.

DOOM
10-17-2008, 02:46 PM
thanks for the info Steve :up:

sd8683
10-17-2008, 03:04 PM
Rider90, GREAT info, so....... When ya coming to Boston:)

dreydin
10-17-2008, 04:09 PM
good info. ive been getting into detailing and this helps. thanks Rider90!

Rider90
10-17-2008, 08:20 PM
Not a problem guys, glad I could help. I could write an essay on every topic but don't want to bore anyone. If something I said wasn't clear, feel free to ask. :up:

Motorhead350
10-18-2008, 10:48 PM
Not a problem guys, glad I could help. I could write an essay on every topic but don't want to bore anyone. If something I said wasn't clear, feel free to ask. :up:

When can you wash my car? It needs a buff... BAD!!!

MeadeRaudeR
10-19-2008, 06:57 AM
I only use a buffer on my "non-Maruader" cars. Thanks for the great added input Rider90, and for the original post by KillJoy.:)

Aren Jay
10-19-2008, 10:11 AM
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