Magnaflow exhaust cat back - read inside!

[usabodyguard]

I am not much of a poster on these boards, but nonetheless, i think my marauder is the best car I have ever owned... and that is saying alot. It is my daily driver, yet i try to keep the miles low... 44k 2003 aint too bad.

Anyways, I also have a fully built show truck, with dozens of sponsors... one of which is Magnaflow...

well I was down at magnaflow this past week, getting a complete one off header back system for my truck at their R&D facility down in socal... and while talking to my friend who heads up the R&D... i told him i just bought a marauder a few months ago... he instantly asked what i had for exhaust, and I said stock, but some hack shop threw in a set of flowmasters at some point before i bought the car... his eyes perked up, and told me to HOLD ON!

after a few minutes he came back and told me that they have not done a full exhaust, cat back or otherwise, for the marauders yet and told me to bring my car down, leave it for a week, and that they would use it to design up a system... before and after dyno numbers too!

they would then have a system for our cars ready to sell!!!

i would get the first production kit, and they would rent me a car for the entire time too... not to shabby!!

here is what the kit would include, and dont qoute me on this as things may change as far as parts...

cat back system - mandrel bent pipe, X pipe, twin mufflers (polished), chrome tips (not sure about resonators)


I pick my truck up in a couple of days, I will post those pics too, as it is probably a $3500+ exhaust system...
Dynatech Long tube headers w/ 1700* ceramic coating polished
Magnaflow metalic spun cats
DOUGs E-cutouts
chrome turn downs
MF X pipe
MF dual in, dual out polished muffler
MF side exit exhaust with chrome tips (in front of rear tire)
MF 3" mandrel bent pipe throughout
100% stainless steel throughout

anyways... stay tuned for a cat back specifically for our cars... if youre interested in a kit, i might be able to arrange a group buy with them...

email me if you are interested - david@lamanno.com

:beer:

[252life]

If the price is right I'll buy. I'm guessing they will use the 24" tips with 30 Degree Rolled Lip, that would look perfect!
Why didn't Magnaflow do this 4 years ago?

[red]

Excellent! This should help a lot of members...

[KillJoy]

It takes know just the right folks to get something like this accomplished.

:up: to usabodyguard!

:beer:

KillJoy

[Glenn]

Magnaflow basically already provided a large part of their proposed exhaust system 4 years ago. It was their '03 Cobra hi-flow H pipe with two hi-flow CATS (rear 2 were eliminated). This H pipe had to be lenghtened 4" to fit the longer wheel base MM. It also hooked directly up to the Cobra FRPP shorty headers.

The hi-flow H pipe and cats opened up the exhaust system and also provided a louder deeper sound even with the stock mufflers, tail pipes and tips. The cost was also reasonable compared to the alternative full tube systems. I would not spend the money on Magnaflow proposed system without also changing out the stock exhaust headers. To do this you need the Cobra H-pipe. If Magnaflow does not also offer the Cobra H pipe in an exhaust system package they are missing the boat.

Glenn :burnout:

[CRUZTAKER]

Are you talking a complete Magnaflow header back system for the Marauder, or behind the cats (catback) as your thread title implies?

A full kit from Magnaflow would be an awesome addition to the choices KOOKS and SS that we have now.

I bought a Magnaflow catback for my Focus. Albeit pricey ($415), it offered a negligible performance change, a nicer, deeper exhaust note, and a much better tail pipe appearance. But that's all.

As far as this type of kit (catback) on a Marauder?
Why? For the price, it would be smarter pennywise to buy an entire header and all kit.

[justbob]

More options are always welcome.

[Spectragod]

The already make a catback for the 06+ CV, how much would it take to make it work on a MM, not a lot, but it's $700..

[usabodyguard]

not sure if it is going to be a cat back, i will ask them to make it a complete header back system... or they might do both.

I know they already have a kit for a CV, i actually rode in their CV... but since they are already one of my sponsors, they agreed to make a new system for the marauder... and then offer it to the mainstream...

I think i will pitch the header back system...

but remember - they are a manufacturer, they need to consider smog laws... so they might have a couple of different options... i have to go back this week to pick up my truck, i will ask them about options...

[usabodyguard]

also - from what i was told, their X pipe is FAR better than an H pipe... their chief engineer explained the logic behind that one, but i stood their with a blank stare once he started talking about fluid dynamics and gas laws... lol

[burt ragio]

A cat back system for our ride would be the cats meow with a choice of X or H pipe.

[KillJoy]

also - from what i was told, their X pipe is FAR better than an H pipe... their chief engineer explained the logic behind that one, but i stood their with a blank stare once he started talking about fluid dynamics and gas laws... lol

But.... they sound like ass....

:dunno:

KillJoy

[Vortech347]

Get it done! I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

[offroadkarter]

Tell them to offer a H pipe also, and im sure you'd get more interested people.

They were supposed to make a kit for the 2v panther cars, guess that never happend.

[Spectragod]

Tell them to offer a H pipe also, and im sure you'd get more interested people.

They were supposed to make a kit for the 2v panther cars, guess that never happend.

See post #8.........

[n3fvg]

If the price is right I'll buy. I'm guessing they will use the 24" tips with 30 Degree Rolled Lip, that would look perfect!
Why didn't Magnaflow do this 4 years ago?

Actually, the system you are talking about is already a Magnaflow system. They just modified a currently produced exhaust system I have on my 2004 Crown Vic P.I. It is MAGNAFLOW # 16788

2 1/4" SS from the cats back and CVPI tail pipes. Any decent exhaust shop will install a 2" crossover pipe, cut the tailpipes and weld your tips to come straight out the back

Needs a little "elbow greese" to fit on the earlier Panthers, but works really well!

[n3fvg]

Tell them to offer a H pipe also, and im sure you'd get more interested people.

They were supposed to make a kit for the 2v panther cars, guess that never happend.

They do...# 16788, works well on my CVPI

[Vortech347]

2.5" or don't bother!

[offroadkarter]

2.5" or don't bother!


exactly...

[TAKEDOWN]

Nicely done, it seems there's hundreds of catalogs for other vehicles and when it comes to our cars next to nothing. Thanks for looking out.

[Krytin]

Cat Back w/"H" pipe please.
If it's fabed out of SS I don't even care how much it cost$!

[cougar9150]

2.5" H pipe or X-pipe and I would be interested.
I was quoted around $700 for a custom catback system, and would still need the h-pipe/x-pipe custom made.
I would like a complete system to bolt up from the manifolds back even if it was 2 parts.
I don't need nor want a complete full length header setup for a long time. even when I did get to higher power levels 2.5" will still be fine. Once I get near the point of 500hp to the wheels then I'll consider 3" all the way back with headers. I had the full bad ass exhaust on my Cougar and thought it was great for about 2 months. After that i got sick of the constant rumble/drone and crazy looks at every stop light. I like a sleeper that sounds mellow when idling and roars when you stomp your foot down.
See this link from Magnaflow about exhaust size.:
http://www.magnaflow.com/07techtips/faq/question10.asp

[n3fvg]

2.5" H pipe or X-pipe and I would be interested.
I was quoted around $700 for a custom catback system, and would still need the h-pipe/x-pipe custom made.
I would like a complete system to bolt up from the manifolds back even if it was 2 parts.
I don't need nor want a complete full length header setup for a long time. even when I did get to higher power levels 2.5" will still be fine. Once I get near the point of 500hp to the wheels then I'll consider 3" all the way back with headers. I had the full bad ass exhaust on my Cougar and thought it was great for about 2 months. After that i got sick of the constant rumble/drone and crazy looks at every stop light. I like a sleeper that sounds mellow when idling and roars when you stomp your foot down.
See this link from Magnaflow about exhaust size.:
http://www.magnaflow.com/07techtips/faq/question10.asp

That is an excellent link...as some of us old time muscle car drivers learned way back, the guys with the 3" dual exhausts couldn't understand why they were losing their "low end". I've even seen it on some of todays cat back systems.

[cougar9150]

Thanks. I learned it the hard way, even though I was told by someone with much more experience at this stuff than me. No need for giant pipes if your not making the power to use them.
2.5" would be great and provide plenty of room to grow. Unless I'm bottled up and need more top end power I'll probably stay at 2.5". By the time I'm producing enough power to need 3" pipes I'll have the tools in the garage to do it myself.
Here is another interesting link that basically says the same thing.
http://www.torquetechexh.com/whichsize.htm

[usabodyguard]

well some updates... they dynoed the car with the stock setup... (well, the original owner had some hack muffler shop throw on some 40 series blowmasters) and she was at 267 RWHP... (he didnt have the exact number in front of him but he knew it was high 260's... i will know exactly before and after numbers)...

They dismantled the system and fabed up a 2.5" SS cat back system with an x pipe -
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/exhaust/xpipe_cell.jpg
and stainless chrome tips 24" long, i think thats what he told me.

They are one of my sponsors for my prostreet silverado - 800rwhp... here is a picture of the TRUCK EXHAUST with DUAL electric stainless steel cut outs, and 3" mandrel bent pipe with and x pipe and high spun mettallic cats... $4000 exhaust system, including LT headers....
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/exhaust/donepic1.jpg

anyways, I will post up after pictures of the new system for our cars... I will be starting a group buy, as long as the moderators on this site are cool with it... I already spoke to MF about a group buy and they said yes...

I will start a new thread once I have the details

[cougar9150]

Depending on the cost I am in for the group buy or solo if you cannot get enough people for the discount. This will be my birthday present if Magnaflow will be ready for production units by the end of January. Shoot I would even test a Beta kit if they wanted to test a second one. It would just have to be shipped to Florida and I'm sure there are plenty of local Marauders they could try it on in Socal.
The truck exhaust is sweet!

[offroadkarter]

1. thats not a good x pipe

2. Please find out if they can offer an H pipe as well

Kthxbye :)

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

2.25 mandrel bent is more than enough for a lot of these cars. Look how fast mustangs are w/ 2.25" cat backs. 2.25 mandrel bent is still worth doing over 2" pinch bent stock exhausts. I'd actually prefer a 2.25 over 2.5 on my car. It will flow enough and keep the noise down. When I do mine though I will just buy stainless tubing and some mandrel bends and weld it together in my garage

PS what is wrong with his X pipe? It has smoother transitions than some of the SS ones guys weld up from pipe stock, that will have ridges inside.

[SilverSport]

How hard to modify the Marauder system to fit an 03-04 CV? The later model CV kit takes some modification to fit the 03-05 and it does not have an H or X pipe. The Marauder kit would also have the (for us) straight tail pipes with the nice tips. If it wouldn't be too hard to mod than it would be a better buy for me than the CV kit. I already run Magnaflows on my stock exhaust and love the way they sound.

[usabodyguard]

i have a tendency to believe a multi million dollar R&D team over an unsubstantiated claim on a message board when debating a question of good and bad X pipes, in all due respect... and the team at MF has a practically limitless budget for testing... I saw their 35K sq foot test and build center personally... here is just one section of this huge facility - my truck on a lift -

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/exhaust/magnaflow_truck.jpg

and for the record, I asked the very question - why this X pipe, why not traditional style? (yes, they do sell both styles)... they used to offer the typical x pipe standard, and said the flow numbers on this new one was far greater, and then he went into some tirade about gas laws and fluid dynamics because gas is a fluid... after that I lost him... but essentially he told me than ran tests for months to try and design a better X pipe...
they have...
and the numbers proved that they have done so.

I would love to hear your rebuttal with facts of course... that way i can go back to magnaflow and tell them they are not making a "good" x-pipe... and that they should contact you, of course!

:lol:

[Motorhead350]

Dang! I could use a sponsorship for both my Chevy trucks!

[Krytin]

i have a tendency to believe a multi million dollar R&D team over an unsubstantiated claim on a message board when debating a question of good and bad X pipes, in all due respect... and the team at MF has a practically limitless budget for testing... I saw their 35K sq foot test and build center personally... here is just one section of this huge facility - my truck on a lift -

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/exhaust/magnaflow_truck.jpg

and for the record, I asked the very question - why this X pipe, why not traditional style? (yes, they do sell both styles)... they used to offer the typical x pipe standard, and said the flow numbers on this new one was far greater, and then he went into some tirade about gas laws and fluid dynamics because gas is a fluid... after that I lost him... but essentially he told me than ran tests for months to try and design a better X pipe...
they have...
and the numbers proved that they have done so.

I would love to hear your rebuttal with facts of course... that way i can go back to magnaflow and tell them they are not making a "good" x-pipe... and that they should contact you, of course!

:lol:
No rebuttal of facts - X pipes make the most peak hp - period!
They do so at the sacrifice of low end torque.
The total peak gain/loss between the two is almost always in the single digit #'s but the shape of the curves and the rpm at the peaks can be significant (not always). I also like the way H pipes sound over X pipes.
If I could choose I would always prefer an H pipe for a car that is primarily driven on the street - Xpipes for dedicated racing w/driveline mods to work w/higher rpm peak #'s - IMHO

[252life]

I think most people will agree that an H-pipe will give you more power (mainly torque) low in the rpm range. (something that the Marauder needs!)
It will also have a deeper (better sounding) exhaust tone.
The X-pipe have a more of a raspy metallic sound. I think most people prefer the H-pipe sound on the Marauder. And are willing to make that small sacrifice in peak power.

[offroadkarter]

First off, thats a very nice truck

Secondly, no rebuttal as X pipes make more HP, but they dont sound as good on our cars as an H pipe. Offering this kit with a choice between H and X will draw more people to wanting this kit, instead of the people who will only buy it if it has an X or an H pipe with it.

[Blackened300a]

Its gotta have a H pipe if I plan to invest in it. The small sacrifice of power is a small price to pay for a system that sounds really good.

Otherwise, Im looking forward to some results!

[UncleLar]

Here's a rough but I think fair side by side comparison from YouTube.
The car on the left and first to rev is my stock tune 2002 CVPI P71,it has all 4 cats replaced with Magna Flow high flow cats,Magna Flow mufflers(part numbers unknown),an H pipe,stock diameter pipes and Magna Flow non resonator tips.
The car on the right is sanco's,a 2003 CVPI P71,tuned,with 2 1/2" custom pipes,Magna Flow mufflers and an X pipe.
I'd tend to believe they probably flow the same numbers but the difference in sound is mostly due to the H & X pipes.
I think mine sounds more like an American V8 and sanco's has more of a Ferrari type growl or snarl.
Hey Blackened,your MM was born on my birthday!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEhftBGawlk

[usabodyguard]

OK... very valid responses, and thank you.

well I went down today to pick up the MM and while it was completed, I wasnt excited about a few things, namely the 2.25" pipe (not 2.5" like originally promised)... the tail pipes are about 10" smaller than the stock ones AND the sound... along with a couple of minor things that they are going to fix... so I did not pick up the car, which sucks because they are 2 hours away (each way :bigcry:)

When I test drove the car i was disappointed in the sound, or should I say lack thereof... it was dead quiet... :eek: I felt like i was driving a completely different car...

he did say that the X pipe makes a huge difference in sound, it quiets it down tremendously... that and they had 2 large mufflers which doesnt help either.

So while i waited they swapped out a small set of polished mufflers, and I took it for a drive... yes they were louder, but still NOT that classic marauder sound... So i left the car there for another 4 days, they are going to redesign the system...

I think I will discuss a 2.5" system with a 2.5" H pipe... and straight through mufflers (round)...

look, at the end of the day, they are building this system specifically for our cars.... any logical input as far as what you guys want in a cat back exhaust would be appreciated, they want to market this system to you... marauder owners... and yes, they will be reading this thread.

D

[justbob]

All i can say is stock Marauder sound times 3 or 4!!! Low, mean and and able to scream insults at the car next to you. No raspy sound, no glasspack hillbilly sound, just attitude!

[KNIGHTRIDER]

once it gets worked out will MF post it on the web site video demos like they do with their Mustangs? I would love to see and hear a MM do a drive by like the other cars. and it would be a valuable tool in helping me choose a system.

[Vortech347]

I'm all about the X. People that perfer H-pipe's tried an X with flowmasters. LOL

That exhaust work on the truck is SICK...Very quality. As for the haters of that design on that truck...The numbers don't lie. X's are also an assload quieter at idle and part throttle.

Also, 2.25 is not acceptable. The New 4.6 3v's get a 2.5" exhaust with 300hp? why don't we? Also. Mustangs are faster because they are lighter, not the exhaust. :)

[usabodyguard]

I'm all about the X. People that perfer H-pipe's tried an X with flowmasters. LOL

That exhaust work on the truck is SICK...Very quality. As for the haters of that design on that truck...The numbers don't lie. X's are also an assload quieter at idle and part throttle.

Also, 2.25 is not acceptable. The New 4.6 3v's get a 2.5" exhaust with 300hp? why don't we? Also. Mustangs are faster because they are lighter, not the exhaust. :)

thanks... i will pass it along.

[MCAT]

I would bet most of the guy who prefer an H to an X
like the lower note from the H than the more zippiy sound of the X
(marauder/big car) guys want deep big block sound
the X pipes tend to have a zippy almost ricer sound with out much gain
in power over an H pipe.

[bigmerc2003]

All i can say is stock Marauder sound times 3 or 4!!! Low, mean and and able to scream insults at the car next to you. No raspy sound, no glasspack hillbilly sound, just attitude!


I think that is the perfect way to explain the sound we are all after. That tough deep mean sound, the sound that makes other cars too scared to park next too you, just like in the commercial!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTkOebpx2w


By the way thanks for using your car as a test mule to get something in the works for us, we appreciate it!

[Marauderjack]

I would bet most of the guy who prefer an H to an X
like the lower note from the H than the more zippiy sound of the X
(marauder/big car) guys want deep big block sound
the X pipes tend to have a zippy almost ricer sound with out much gain
in power over an H pipe.

Well stated!!:beer:

[Krytin]

I think I will discuss a 2.5" system with a 2.5" H pipe... and straight through mufflers (round)...

look, at the end of the day, they are building this system specifically for our cars.... any logical input as far as what you guys want in a cat back exhaust would be appreciated, they want to market this system to you... marauder owners... and yes, they will be reading this thread.

D
That's what I want right there!
Thanks for your efforts to try and make this happen!

[Blackened300a]

Ease of install, a reasonable price and a deep muscle car sound would make this kit a homerun.

H pipe FTW!

[Shora]

its gotta have a h pipe if i plan to invest in it. The small sacrifice of power is a small price to pay for a system that sounds really good.

x2..........

[UncleLar]

My MM's exhaust system is looking like cr^p anyway from all the salt of the past few winters so tell them to get moving so I can replace it with something decent with 14" mufflers and an H pipe.

[freakstatus]

So lets see, we have an H pipe with 2.5" piping....Guess the only thing left is to ask if they can design the system with Flowmaster Super 44's...lol

[justbob]

:laugh:I didn't want to be the one to say it! Thanks
In all reality it would take a lot to get me away from my flowmasters, I love the sound but would like to have some new pipes.

[Vortech347]

For the last time. Xpipes are not rice!!! Nascars don't sound like Honda's!

[sd8683]

For the last time. Xpipes are not rice!!! Nascars don't sound like Honda's!

I agree 100% that being said I prefer the H-pipe sound over the X-pipe.

[offroadkarter]

:laugh:I didn't want to be the one to say it! Thanks
In all reality it would take a lot to get me away from my flowmasters, I love the sound but would like to have some new pipes.


its simple, buy the kit, swap mufflers, sell the magnaflows and put the failmasters on..


Tada :rolleyes: :D

[offroadkarter]

Any idea of how much this kit would cost?!?

[Vortech347]

Agree'd....

Update!!

[usabodyguard]

still waiting... it is hell not having my car and driving this POS ford edge rental car lol...
I am supposed to pick it up first thing wed morning... will post results soon.

[offroadkarter]

still waiting... it is hell not having my car and driving this POS ford edge rental car lol...
I am supposed to pick it up first thing wed morning... will post results soon.


Looking forward to it :)

[usabodyguard]

OK... the results!

First of all let me preface this by saying, I am not the easiest person to work when it comes to workmanship... I expect the BEST, and nothing less...

When i first checked out the first system they installed and wasnt satisfied, I was very skeptical that the second system would make me 100% happy...

BOY WAS I WRONG!!

:eek:

I got there this morning and everyone greeted me, cool group of guys, and said I would love my new set up... I was worried about the sound, with everyone telling me that the H PIPE is the best sound.

I checked out the work - - WOW, super clean, great angles, tolerances and welds were perfect...

Here is what they built - -

2.5" Mandrel bent from the headers back...
4 - High flow mettalic spun cats
X-Pipe
Dual polished Mufflers (same ones they use in the mustang cobra kit)
SS Pipes

pics -
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/main%20pics/cats.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/main%20pics/middle_section.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/main%20pics/rear_section.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/main%20pics/tail_pipe.jpg

As you can see the install is perfect.

SIDE NOTE!
I had a talk with the senior developer and mentioned everyones request of the H-Pipe...
He said, and I quote "There is no WAY we would ever make or use an H pipe... the X pipe is our thing..."

SOUND:
For everyone who loves the X-pipe sound, and loves the factory marauder sound... you are in for a real surprise! The exhaust note on this beast is truly that - a BEAST!! I had the factory system with two flowmasters thrown on, and this new system sounds way more aggressive, but a lot cleaner! Strong, smooth, and intimidating!! I love the sound it makes, at idle it is nice and steady and at WOT she comes alive... when i test drove it with the lead Developer, I had the biggest smile on my face!!

I will try to post a sound clip, idle, WOT driveby, and inside the cab under both conditions... maybe this weekend.

I would HIGHLY recommend this system!!

Price and group buy info is pending... will post more when i know.

Thank you MAGNAFLOW!

:beer:

[offroadkarter]

If it is X pipe only it better sound damn good or its going to lose alot of interest.

Im watching closely now, the rest of the kit looks good

[O's Fan Rich]

Any Pics of where it connects to the cats/manifold?

[offroadkarter]

Any Pics of where it connects to the cats/manifold?


http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/usabodyguard/main%20pics/cats.jpg

[usabodyguard]

If it is X pipe only it better sound damn good or its going to lose alot of interest.

Im watching closely now, the rest of the kit looks good


It sounds so good i wish I could keep it all to myself... how is that for an answer??

[offroadkarter]

It sounds so good i wish I could keep it all to myself... how is that for an answer??


thank you Mr. Greedy :D

[Mest30]

How about some dyno numbers?

[offroadkarter]

How about some dyno numbers?


he just got the kit on dude give him some time :lol:

[Mest30]

I dont have time! I'm also wondering why they went with 4 cats instead of 2.

[offroadkarter]

i really want to know what the pricing will be....

[usabodyguard]

I dont have time! I'm also wondering why they went with 4 cats instead of 2.


I live in California... need i say more??

Dyno numbers... if someone has a diablo tuner for our cars that i can trade my DR Sct2 tune (355's and 410 tunes preinstalled) i can have my local ford motorsports shop tune my MM on their dyno...

they only use diablo for dyno tuning... I dont feel like buying another tune after shelling out $$ to my DR tune...

[Marauderjack]

I dont have time! I'm also wondering why they went with 4 cats instead of 2.

Ford uses 4 cats from the factory and "Regulated" suppliers are required not to change that!!:shake:

Should the customer elect to remove 2 or all 4 is not a problem for them with the "Feds" as long as their "Kit" comes with the OEM required parts!!:beer:

Cats are not supposed to be removed/replaced unless proven to be not functioning or defective (rattling or dented) before 80K miles I think!!:confused:

Though hardly ever enforced, the EPA can stick you with a $10K per day fine for altering emissions.....this even includes EEC flashes (tunes)!!!:eek:

I'd like to hear the final product.....I have 18 inch Magnaflows with a custom 2.5" system using an H-pipe and it really sounds nice!!:beer:

Marauderjack:cool:

[Vortech347]

Thanks for the pics. Looks like quality at its finiest. Can't wait to hear the results and see a dynochart.

[offroadkarter]

bump to keep topic at the top

[cougar9150]

Looks great. I'm definitely interested X pipe or not. Can't wait to hear a clip. Keep us posted on group buy possibilities and pricing.
When does Magnaflow think they will be ready to release this kit?

[Constable]

Looks like it'd be pretty easy to swap on off-road pipes to eliminate the cats. Think they'll offer blanks without the cats?

[Rawderboy]

I need to know how much and if you guys do a group buy... IM IN!!!!! :banana2:

[Aren Jay]

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[m1dn1temarauder]

:bows: now we need a reasonable price...another question would be....since no headers, which would be a good choice to work with?

[99SVT]

I like it, the short pipes from the manifolds to the x-pipe would be easy to modify if one were to add headers later on. It would be really hard to please all the Marauder owners, but if a company like Magnaflow steps up to produce a high quality kit, there will be buyers. The fit and finish of the kit looks good to me, I like the stock appearing exhaust tips, it's one of the trademark Marauder visual cues. The x-h-pipe debate will rage on, but I'll take either as long as it sounds good, flows well, and has minimal drone at cruise.

Now the only things left:
-Are to hear some sound files; free rev and under load
-Dyno numbers
-cost and availability

[Vortech347]

Damn, well put.

[2,4shofast]

Damn that is a clean looking set up! It looks as if it would have an awesome sound! Awesome work bro...I wish mine looked that clean! :beer:

[Krytin]

We need price and availability on this ASAP!

[burt ragio]

What a good looking exhaust system great alienment & bends. I personaly prefer the sound of the H pipe. If this all comes together with no H pipe I'll go for two 18" mufflers &2.5" pipes up over the axle only. I 'll have the rest done by a local shop.

[usabodyguard]

ok a little update... sorry for the delay... was out of town for the holidays.

all of you who love the H pipe sound... you are missing out, this exhaust is way more aggressive than my stock system!!

I spoke to MF and their turn around from concept to market is around 4-6 weeks... I told them there was a lot of interest. I promise to take a video of the idle, launch, and driveby this weekend, weather and such has stopped me from doing so, but this weekend should be nice.

This sucker is CLEAN and LOUD!

[m1dn1temarauder]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/read.gif Put me on the list of "I want in!" http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/werd.gif

[burt ragio]

Usabodyguard swing by a stereo shop borrow db meter to measure sound levels at idel & cruise speed.

[Blackened300a]

Looks great, Now lets hear this thing!

[GetMeMyStogie]

This might sound like a dumb question, but this "cat-back" system would be available without the 4 catalytic converters, right? And, it would bolt up to the stock 4-cat pipes, too? That would be good, if it did.

[04merc]

But.... they sound like ass....

:dunno:

KillJoy


You're talking about how the x pipes sound?

I've heard x pipes on mustangs and almost sounds raspy.

H pipes, Im sure don't offer the same exhaust flow, create a deeper tone.
Just my opinion.

[Vortech347]

he can't reply. He's left the heman woman haters club.

Pairing your muffs to your pipes is imparitive for proper flow and sound.

[04merc]

easy there...
I've heard a marauder with magnaflow mufflers and non resonated tips before, and sounded out right amazing.

Nothin like the burble of a 32v.


I wasn't saying which 1 flows better.
Just making an observation on what I've heard.

[Blackened300a]

Just curious if a tuner could post up and say what type of tweak would be needed to my tune after the install.

[UncleLar]

"Nothin like the burble of a 32v."
Nothing like the sound of an American V8,a Harley V Twin,a Rolls Royce Merlin making a low high speed pass and a big inch radial aircraft engine idling as it cools down post flight,all sweet music! :banana:

[m1dn1temarauder]

You're talking about how the x pipes sound?

I've heard x pipes on mustangs and almost sounds raspy.

H pipes, Im sure don't offer the same exhaust flow, create a deeper tone.
Just my opinion.

Hey I like rasp daddy-o :beatnik:

Still no sound clips up of this yet huh:depress:

[burt ragio]

So what have we found out. Will a cat system be made available ? Will it be with the X or H pipe ?

[UncleLar]

It sounds like a definite maybe.

[justbob]

Or maybe a definately

[UncleLar]

Well,I think it maybe a definite maybe,or will it?

[justbob]

Definately, i think, maybe, could be?

[UncleLar]

I definite think maybe you might be right.But then again.....

[justbob]

99 posts and still no sound clip? What a teaser!!!!! New rule around here, don't even post about it untill you have pics, info, video, and PRICE. Waiting sucks.

[Aren Jay]

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[252life]

This Mustang has a blower and it might sound different on a N/A Marauder. But I think it has the same mufflers and x-pipe, and it sounds pretty good.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/03-Cobra-Magnaflow-catted_40041.htm

[Vortech347]

Its a good thing this thread has been updated. Its not like magnaflo wouldn't make a CRAPTON of money if they came out with a x-pipe/catback.

[O's Fan Rich]

They do...# 16788, works well on my CVPI

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MPE-16788&N=700+115&autoview=sku

[RR|Suki]

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MPE-16788&N=700+115&autoview=sku

WOW that's a lot of money :eek:

[Spectragod]

I have a set of those on my Sport, no tips like the MM, I had to add my own, no H or X pipe either. The stainless has surface rust all over it, had to use a tubing bender to make the Right side over the axle fit, but it does sound good WOT.

Oh yeah, paid less than $700 shipped though a vendor on CV.net.

[RR|Suki]

You'd pay A LOT less if you bought some good quality stainless of your own and had a shop bend you up some pipe... That's what I did and the cost was minimal compared to $700 :eek:

[O's Fan Rich]

WOW that's a lot of money :eek:

I would not expect a kit that includes cats and tips to be less.... would you?

When I did the Cobra manifolds and Magnaflow x pipe with cats followed with maganaflow 18's ( the ones I still have) at a local custom shop, 2.5 pipes front to back, tailpipes were not mandrel bent, it totaled out at $1200.00.
Todd (TAF) provided me with the 2.5 mandrel tailpipes and the delete tips. Cost is private.
Then I got the SW headers add another $1000.00, two 3 " cats at 200.00 for the pair and more custom work to attach them with an H pipe another $350.00.


Exhaust ain't cheap.

[cougar9150]

The Magnaflow 16788 is only 2.25". I couldn't see spending $700 on something that only changes the size of the piping in front of the muffler and adds new mufflers. I have been quoted locally in the $700-$1000 range for a complete 2.5" system installed.

It is not a matter of our preferences the X-pipe is Maganflows standard offering. They do not offer H-pipes at all. Check their website. http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/02pipes.asp.

The debate about X vs H in this situtaion is nill, as the H is not offered nor do I that they would change that for our vehicle only. I have heard good and bad both with the H and X pipes. It's a matter of your preference and how it was put together. Wether or not Magnaflow has ever made an exhaust for the Marauder I believe they have their reasons for this and since they are exhaust specialists I have to believe they know what they are talking about.

[RR|Suki]

I would not expect a kit that includes cats and tips to be less.... would you?

When I did the Cobra manifolds and Magnaflow x pipe with cats followed with maganaflow 18's ( the ones I still have) at a local custom shop, 2.5 pipes front to back, tailpipes were not mandrel bent, it totaled out at $1200.00.
Todd (TAF) provided me with the 2.5 mandrel tailpipes and the delete tips. Cost is private.
Then I got the SW headers add another $1000.00, two 3 " cats at 200.00 for the pair and more custom work to attach them with an H pipe another $350.00.


Exhaust ain't cheap.

I had Full 3" stainless built for a lot less Stainless pipe run me like $300 and the labor wasn't too much... maybe it's just who you know. LTs were nearly 1K though.

[O's Fan Rich]

I had Full 3" stainless built for a lot less Stainless pipe run me like $300 and the labor wasn't too much... maybe it's just who you know. LTs were nearly 1K though.


Yep, sometimes that is the case!

teh cost for the SW's included Jet Hot's $...... mine are Blackcoated

[RR|Suki]

Yep, sometimes that is the case!

teh cost for the SW's included Jet Hot's $...... mine are Blackcoated

no coating for me, I like the goldish with the bluing look :D

[Spectragod]

You'd pay A LOT less if you bought some good quality stainless of your own and had a shop bend you up some pipe... That's what I did and the cost was minimal compared to $700 :eek:

Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you. Hottrodding isn't cheap, if I couldn't afford to play, I wouldn't.

There was also no point in going to a 2.5 or 3" on a stock SOHC, that car is a DD, the MM gets all the goodies.:D

[Aren Jay]

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[shami02]

OK with all the debate back and forth on X verses H pipe I lost track of is this going to happen in some form or not.. If yes do we have a price yet? Still interested but getting board with no price and when it may happen info... Thankx!

-mike

[m1dn1temarauder]

I guess this is a dead topic...No response from him in 2 weeks

-Price
-Sound clip of some sort
-Dyno #'s

I am ready to buy my exhaust and I'm swaying towards SW

[Jake Steel]

where the hell do you guys get all the madd $$$$$$$$ for all these mods holy crap im sooooooooooo jealous .......................

[O's Fan Rich]

I guess this is a dead topic...No response from him in 2 weeks

-Price
-Sound clip of some sort
-Dyno #'s

I am ready to buy my exhaust and I'm swaying towards SW

Patience, he did say 4-6 weeks.
That puts things at the end of Feb aprox.

[m1dn1temarauder]

Patience, he did say 4-6 weeks.
That puts things at the end of Feb aprox.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/thinking.gif Well ok, but, he said 4-6 weeks for the kit to be put into production, he didn't say 4-6 weeks for a sound clip...nor for a ballpark quote on what the kit would cost. I think that is what most enquiring minds want to know(mine included)....that's pretty much all I want to know, I don't think that is too much of a unreasonable request

[99SVT]

Seems to be a lot of impatience around here, lately. Some people have been waiting for a complete aftermarket cat-back for the Marauder for over 4 years, not much comes quickly with such a low customer based product. I don't think waiting a few weeks is going to kill anyone.

Another point is perhaps usabodyguard has a job that unexpectedly takes him away from home for weeks at a time like I do and isn't able to get sound/video clips at a moments notice. I'm sure he'll get back to us when there's something to pass on.

[O's Fan Rich]

where the hell do you guys get all the madd $$$$$$$$ for all these mods holy crap im sooooooooooo jealous .......................

Like my Great Grandfather use to ask whenever there was an inquiry as to how he could afford a new car in the early 40's....

"Do you smoke?" "Do you drink?"

[Aren Jay]

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[offroadkarter]

..... ok what the hell, i thought that was a permanent ban!

[252life]

If anyone is wondering about the cat-back system, I can tell you it's not happening:(

I asked a few weeks ago here's the answer:

"At this time we were just testing the market and did fit a few vehicles. It does not look like we are moving forward on the kit at this time"

[Dobs]

No wonder...

[Marauderjack]

If anyone is wondering about the cat-back system, I can tell you it's not happening:(

I asked a few weeks ago here's the answer:

"At this time we were just testing the market and did fit a few vehicles. It does not look like we are moving forward on the kit at this time"


Probably for the same reason Borla didn't pursue it.....very small market and made NO MORE POWER THAN STOCK....so it wouldn't sell!!!:shake:

We must remember these companies are in it for $$$$'s!!:confused:

[O's Fan Rich]

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Hey hey!!!!!!!

What do you say, Aren Jay?

[Vortech347]

That sucks donkey nuts....

[dohc324ci]

That sucks donkey nuts....

I needed that chuckle:lol:

Fellas we have a low volume vehicle; we just have to get use to that fact. I am dying to have a SC, CAT BACK, but keep running into a wall about limited market so there is no interest for having a kit developed.

Bummer for folks like me in CALI who have to watch out every three years for the CARB POLICE.

[Jim_Rockford]

how about the cat back magnaflow sells for the 06-up CV anyone tried it, some folks say it fits the earlier cars but needs some kinda work on the drivers OTA pipe but no one ever says what work it needs.

[Spectragod]

how about the cat back magnaflow sells for the 06-up CV anyone tried it, some folks say it fits the earlier cars but needs some kinda work on the drivers OTA pipe but no one ever says what work it needs.

You will need a tubing bender to make it work, I have a set on my 05' LX Sport, they sound good, but the kit is close to $700......

[Jim_Rockford]

$526 shipped from a vender on the dock of the bay.. looking to get one now.


Brand New Magnaflow Part#16788 Lifetime Warranty Retails for $702.94 eBay Price Shipped: 546.74 OR call your order in and receive a price of $526.09 shipped Or request a shopping cart link. Brad 888 986 3373 We beat any Magnaflow Price!
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[Glenn]

FRPP Cobra shorties matched to the Cobra X-pipe and hi-flow CATS (rears deleted) have proven very good. The cost is much cheaper then LTs and related X-pipe. After the X-pipe you can retain your OEM mufflers or whatever. The sound with the shorties and x-pipe with the OEM muffler is louder then stock, but NO cabin drone. This combination has proven very successfully on my MM.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[Spectragod]

$526 shipped from a vender on the dock of the bay.. looking to get one now.

I honestly don't know if I would do $500+ for that system. I know I have one, and that's why I say what I am. Also, there is no crossover pipe, H or X.

[Jim_Rockford]

lol Thanks, I'm on the fence about just getting mufflers , or getting the whole system , putting mufflers on a 1 7/8 inch pipe system really doesn't excite me much.

[Vortech347]

So does that system fit our cars? just change the tips out?

[offroadkarter]

So does that system fit our cars? just change the tips out?


it'l fit with alittle bit of work (not to much) but you really wont gain to much hp, the whole exhaust is a 2.25"