race to the 12s.

[ImpalaSlayer]

as the title says, who will be the first 4.6 n/a mm in the 12s? with no juice. whos with me?

[DTRMiguel]

I R in! :up: Start a poll foo! "Who will be the first NA 4.6 281ci Marauder to break the 12's?"

[TiTo35]

Good luck fellas...this should be good! :banana:

[Blackened300a]

Countdown to naysayers in 10..9..8..7..6.....

Im in. I been in for a while just a slow build.

[ImpalaSlayer]

how make said poll?

[sd8683]

You guy,s know I'm in!!! This should be a real good summer..... Good luck guys:banana2:

[Blackened300a]

Go to advanced edit of your first post and on the bottom is the option to add a poll.

or a poll foo lol

[DTRMiguel]

Countdown to naysayers in 10..9..8..7..6.....

Im in. I been in for a while just a slow build.

Nothing good come easy my good friend ;)

[DTRMiguel]

Go to advanced edit of your first post and on the bottom is the option to add a poll.

or a poll foo lol

Are you making fun of CAM lingo? :flamer::depress:

[ImpalaSlayer]

cant find it lol

[sd8683]

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[Black_Noise]

is this the N/A race to the 12s?

[Blackened300a]

Are you making fun of CAM lingo? :flamer::depress:

LOL Nope, just glad you didnt ask to make a foll poo.

[ImpalaSlayer]

ehh no need poll too many people in the run for it

[ImpalaSlayer]

is this the N/A race to the 12s?


what is yes. 12s with a blower anyone can do

[DTRMiguel]

is this the N/A race to the 12s?

Yes hello and welcome. So far we have impalaslayer,dtrmiguel,blacken ed300a, and sd8386 What do you plan to do to your car?

[Blackened300a]

is this the N/A race to the 12s?

Yes and so far we cant figure out how to spell poll or put a poll in our thread so this is going to a long battle!:D:D

[TiTo35]

Is this the race to 12s thread or the how to make a poll thread? :laugh:

[DTRMiguel]

LOL Nope, just glad you didnt ask to make a foll poo.

:awe: :run:

[ImpalaSlayer]

its a "shut the hell up and race" thred ;)

[TiTo35]

its a "shut the hell up and race" thred ;)



Its da I cnt spel thred... :flamer:

[Blackened300a]

Aren has endless threads, we are starting threds so we are more gooder.

[sd8683]

Its da I cnt spel thred... :flamer:

My spelling is good!! I use spellcheck:D

[ImpalaSlayer]

more gooder.


there ya go Paul! now you r getting the cam language

[RR|Suki]

the setting money on fire thread :D:banana2:

[DTRMiguel]

the setting money on fire thread :D:banana2:

How about the "..... We don't have 6k to drop at one time to buy a blower so we stay NA until we can phew" thread?

[Blackened300a]

That didnt take long.

[ImpalaSlayer]

i had a blower i could have installed but i need a challange

[RR|Suki]

How about the "..... We don't have 6k to drop at one time to buy a blower so we stay NA until we can phew" thread?

6K... you're doin it wrong :P, If you really wanna do it on a budget you can get the head unit bracket separate online (had to get one for mine the old one was faulty), used head unit even if it needs to be rebuilt that's pretty cheap (I think Paxton charged me $400 or something), I re did my pipe with mustang parts and ebay pre bent pipe alum (cost me like $200 and $120 for the couplers and t clamps). $80 fuel pump, $300 or less for injectors. You you could have a nice non intercooler centri setup for under 3K... just sayin gonna be a lot of sad faces after spending 8K trying to go fast N/A and still needing an adder :banana:

[justbob]

Best of luck to ya guys! Now this is old skool hot rodding at its best.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Best of luck to ya guys! Now this is old skool hot rodding at its best.

some one sees the value! :beer:

[DTRMiguel]

6K... you're doin it wrong :P, If you really wanna do it on a budget you can get the head unit bracket separate online (had to get one for mine the old one was faulty), used head unit even if it needs to be rebuilt that's pretty cheap (I think Paxton charged me $400 or something), I re did my pipe with mustang parts and ebay pre bent pipe alum (cost me like $200 and $120 for the couplers and t clamps). $80 fuel pump, $300 or less for injectors. You you could have a nice non intercooler centri setup for under 3K... just sayin gonna be a lot of sad faces after spending 8K trying to go fast N/A and still needing an adder :banana:

I guess u be right but still NA would be fun and not so easy. Like who wants a girl that gives it up on the first night? Everyone probably had her right? Huhh huhh catch my drift?:P

[Black_Noise]

does spray count? or is this an all motor 12s race

[ImpalaSlayer]

see first post black, no spray dosent count,

ALL MOTOR BABY! :burnout:

[DTRMiguel]

does spray count? or is this an all motor 12s race

All motor:D you in?

[Black_Noise]

ha im broke... but im interested

[Black_Noise]

im what you'd call a starving mechanic, but this sure as hell is alot more interesting than posts such as "do the mirrors fold in"

[ImpalaSlayer]

black thats not funny. he could have seriously hurt his mirriors

:rofl:

[hot-rauder]

I think my Fusion will make 12s before you guys will.

^^ waits for naysayers to use it as a quote in sig.

Honestly, Dave will be able to.

Paul, I wouldnt worry about

But, Sean will be first.

[Black_Noise]

black thats not funny. he could have seriously hurt his mirriors

:rofl:


:lol::rofl::lol: now thats funny right there

[RR|Suki]

Ya'll should prob make some rules... I bet you could drop a lot of lbs if you emptied the trunk, took out the back seat, passenger seat, door moldings etc. Maybe a 4200lb weight minimum is in order? :eek:

[Black_Noise]

I dont see why a marauder couldnt get into 12s n/a.... all you need is some jegs stickers, and maybe a big wing and some neons

[ImpalaSlayer]

I dont see why a marauder couldnt get into 12s n/a.... all you need is some jegs stickers, and maybe a big wing and some neons

**** you figured it out!

[sd8683]

Ya'll should prob make some rules... I bet you could drop a lot of lbs if you emptied the trunk, took out the back seat, passenger seat, door moldings etc. Maybe a 4200lb weight minimum is in order? :eek:

Interestin idea..... I will empty my trunk of everything but the jack and spare, I want mine to be as fast on the street as it would at the track, it doesn't help that I tip the scales at 245lb's:D but I'm working on that:)

[hot-rauder]

**** you figured it out!

Fusion will win.....

no stickers needs. I got a coffee grinder and a Chock Full O' Nuts can under the hood.....

[ImpalaSlayer]

Interestin idea..... I will empty my trunk of everything but the jack and spare, I want mine to be as fast on the street as it would at the track, it doesn't help that I tip the scales at 245lb's:D but I'm working on that:)

mine will be in street form - the tires for traction

[sd8683]

I think my Fusion will make 12s before you guys will.

^^ waits for naysayers to use it as a quote in sig.

Honestly, Dave will be able to.

Paul, I wouldnt worry about

But, Sean will be first.

Thanks Adam.... but I think Paul and cltraven have the best as of right now.

[DTRMiguel]

I think my Fusion will make 12s before you guys will.

^^ waits for naysayers to use it as a quote in sig.

Honestly, Dave will be able to.

Paul, I wouldnt worry about

But, Sean will be first.

What about me? I r fast!

[hot-rauder]

Interestin idea..... I will empty my trunk of everything but the jack and spare, I want mine to be as fast on the street as it would at the track, it doesn't help that I tip the scales at 245lb's:D but I'm working on that:)


Ill race it. Im about 75 lbs trimmer. :beer:

[hot-rauder]

What about me? I r fast!


You heard me....

GO Sean!!!

* This is why we need SHOUT back huh?

[sd8683]

mine will be in street form - the tires for traction

Speaking of tires.... I didn't forget Dave.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Thanks Adam.... but I think Paul and cltraven have the best as of right now.

i have basicly the same mods as them, havent gotten a good run witht he new convertor

[DTRMiguel]

Thanks Adam.... but I think Paul and cltraven have the best as of right now.

Ok now who the hellll is Paul and sean?

[ImpalaSlayer]

Speaking of tires.... I didn't forget Dave.

ehh i think iama need em Sean. need to spend money on more go fast parts lol

[Blackened300a]

Interestin idea..... I will empty my trunk of everything but the jack and spare, I want mine to be as fast on the street as it would at the track, it doesn't help that I tip the scales at 245lb's:D but I'm working on that:)

How about you just prop the gas and let the car go down the track on its own. Thats 2 tenths right there! Im sure it will something will stop it at the end of the 1/4.
:lol:

If I go to make the magic run it wil be with the trunk empty, headlight out, and race gas in the tank. Right now, Opening up my exhaust is the first mod before I can go for the gold.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Ok now who the hellll is Paul and sean?

u fail

Paul =blackened

Sean=sd8637665734823

[sd8683]

i have basicly the same mods as them, havent gotten a good run witht he new convertor

Me too.... I'm working on a 3500 stall torque converter:D

[hot-rauder]

u fail

Paul =blackened

Sean=sd8637665734823

ImpalaSlayer= Gayve

:rofl:

[DTRMiguel]

You heard me....

GO Sean!!!

* This is why we need SHOUT back huh?

I ran 14.5 with just an intake! Count me in *********

[Blackened300a]

Yes but in order to hit the 12's you have to have a Black 300A.
Remember they are the fastest. :D

[ImpalaSlayer]

mmmm. competion is heating up. come on feb-27th!

[Blackened300a]

mmmm. competion is heating up. come on feb-27th!

We should gather all the N/A cars and have a track meet.

[sd8683]

ehh i think iama need em Sean. need to spend money on more go fast parts lol

DANG!!!!!!! I should have pulled the trigger when I had the chance:shake:

[Blackened300a]

Where's Chris? He should chime in on his plan.

[ImpalaSlayer]

lol buy my short block instead hahahaha

[sd8683]

We should gather all the N/A cars and have a track meet.


That would be sick!!!! How bout New England dragway in New Hampshire:D

[ImpalaSlayer]

or cecil co. in MD

[Blackened300a]

That would be sick!!!! How bout New England dragway in New Hampshire:D

Eh, How about E-town in NJ?

[Blackened300a]

Lot of attention in this thread, now if we only had a poll......:D

[ImpalaSlayer]

no need for a pole, i wana see us all get there

[Blackened300a]

This is sounding like a reality show.

[sd8683]

I don't think i've ever seen a thread grow this fast!!

[DTRMiguel]

mmmm. competion is heating up. come on feb-27th!

What track that be??

[ImpalaSlayer]

cecil for fridaynight grudge racing

[DTRMiguel]

cecil for fridaynight grudge racing

Hmmm war time it r starting?

[ImpalaSlayer]

gates open at 6 i belive

[Blackened300a]

OK looks like Ill be in touch with my tuner for a race gas tune and Ill put some smaller tires on the rear to change my gearing.
I wont have headers by then but I will have a good shot at the 13.2 that cruztaker held for fastest stock internal N/A.

[justbob]

If it helps motivate you guys any, quite a few members at cvn can't believe how slow N/A Rauders are. Show em what you can do when challenged!

[Vortech347]

CVN.net can suck it. Even if their car is faster it isn't worth **** compared to an MM in value.

[O's Fan Rich]

NAY-SAY!!!!!


Ok? You happy now?

[Krytin]

OK looks like Ill be in touch with my tuner for a race gas tune and Ill put some smaller tires on the rear to change my gearing.
I wont have headers by then but I will have a good shot at the 13.2 that cruztaker held for fastest stock internal N/A.
Changing to 255/45 18's made a HUGE difference on mine Paul.
If you want to swap them onto yours for a test run.....

[Blackened300a]

Changing to 255/45 18's made a HUGE difference on mine Paul.
If you want to swap them onto yours for a test run.....

Ctrl raven uses a smaller tire at the track and it changed his gear ratio. I want to use a 16" rim and tire for track use only. Then I may ponder a gear swap lol

Any future mods planned in time for Carlisle?

[ctrlraven]

Ctrl raven uses a smaller tire at the track and it changed his gear ratio. I want to use a 16" rim and tire for track use only. Then I may ponder a gear swap lol

Any future mods planned in time for Carlisle?
Yep I use a 255/50-16 BFG drag radial and actually the ones I use are the same ones JoeWalsh used in his back to back 12.99 runs.

Running with 3.55 gears and the 16" drag radial will give you an effective 3.90 rear gear. With 4.10s it will give you an effective 4.43 rear gear.

I went from a 14.19 on 255/55-18 (3.50 rear gear) to 13.72 on the drag radials

As far as rules since Glenn said no streetable NA could do it I think that should be the only rule, that is must be streetable and yes the 16" drag radials are DOT approved and with proper tuning will not cause any problems with the ABS system after the revs per mile are adjusted in the tune. Also the car must be driven to the track and retain it's streetable. So feel free to remove stuff, replace things with lightweight counterparts, etc etc.

The key to this will be weight and tuning with the right combo of parts.

As Dave said anyone can spend $6-7K and do 12's, but that's not the point. The real point is to take our car to the limit of NA and stay stock CI.

My whole reason for shooting for 12's or close to it is because not many have really done it. I've always dared to be different. I don't like being told I can't do something and I have a hard time taking defeat but will admit when I have been defeated.

Not everyone has thousands of $$$$ to dump on a s/c kit all in one shot. Doing all of the NA mods overtime is a fun expereince. To date I have spent about $2300 in mods (including labor) to go from 15.12 to 13.72 which I think it pretty good.

Some may have spent less, some may have spent more, but when you conisder spending the amount of money on a Trilogy (on a bone stock car) which most cars I have seen are high 12's low 13's to start wit comparing that to all of the NA mods (engine, trans, rear) you still come out better off because your vehicle is now at a higher starting off point if the person choses to put force induction on the car at that point.

Good example, a friend of mine has a 2007 V6 Mustang, slow right? With the money he saved from getting the V6 compared to the GT he bought a turbo kit for his bone stock V6 and runs 12.2's all day long and that's all he wanted. Sure he could of gotten a GT and thrown a bunch of NA mods on it and maybe would be close to that 12.2 but I doubt it. He wanted something different and the wow factor and that's exactly what he got.

[ImpalaSlayer]

ctrlraven ftw!

[DOOM]

I wish all you guys the best of luck.

[ImpalaSlayer]

get outa here you s/c guy :P

j/k im sure you will be there when cam takes is
cam rules!

[DOOM]

I will be recording you guys running :up:

[Vortech347]

Give em hell Raven!! Are you going to do 4.30's or 4.10's?

[Pops]

Give em hell Raven!! Are you going to do 4.30's or 4.10's?

4.30s will help! I had 4.10s and could have used more gear.

[Glenn]

I will pay the first one to break into the 12's $100 with a 4.6 NA Streetable MM (that means full interior, AC, WS wiper assembly, etc.; empty the trunk and use skinnes are OK). Not a great of money, but a firm indicator of how fruitless the challenge is and how sure I am that it can not be done.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[Pops]

I will pay the first one to break into the 12's $100 with a 4.6 NA Streetable MM (that means full interior, AC, WS wiper assembly, etc.; empty the trunk and use skinnes are OK). Not a great of money, but a firm indicator of how fruitless the challenge is and how sure I am that it can not be done.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

I tried with the GM and a Marauder motor. Short of doing what Barry did it hit a brick wall at 13.51. More rear end gear would have helped a lot. Good luck to you guys that are taking a run at this. The money should have been spent on a SC. Headers and other changes did not pick up a lot! :burnout:

[RR|Suki]

on the gear thing, remember there is such a thing as too much. At some point the benefit will severely diminish at the big end of the track if you don't have the power out there... I have a buddy right now who is learning that the hard way in a 97 cobra (N/A).

[DTRMiguel]

I will pay the first one to break into the 12's $100 with a 4.6 NA Streetable MM (that means full interior, AC, WS wiper assembly, etc.; empty the trunk and use skinnes are OK). Not a great of money, but a firm indicator of how fruitless the challenge is and how sure I am that it can not be done.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

If we are gonna race our cars they will be race ready at the time. No seat, headlight out, and a race tune...

[Pops]

I think I would have done 4.30s if I were to do it over again. 4.10 was not enough.

[ctrlraven]

Give em hell Raven!! Are you going to do 4.30's or 4.10's?

I'm going to try my hardest. I've taken several other vehicles and did what no one said could be done so why would I let the MM be any different.

I'm going to go with 4.10 gears BUT run a smaller diameter drag radials so my effective rear gear will be 4.43. I think with doing this setup will be one of the keys. Power to weight ratio will also be another but the main thing is getting the most of the power to the ground the quickly.


I think I would have done 4.30s if I were to do it over again. 4.10 was not enough.
I think 4.30's would be great but that's making the car not as streetable as 4.10 makes it. My MM is my DD also.

[Pops]

I'm going to try my hardest. I've taken several other vehicles and did what no one said could be done so why would I let the MM be any different.

I'm going to go with 4.10 gears BUT run a smaller diameter drag radials so my effective rear gear will be 4.43. I think with doing this setup will be one of the keys. Power to weight ratio will also be another but the main thing is getting the most of the power to the ground the quickly.

I used 4.10s and a 26 inch tall tall tire. It still needed more gear on the bottom end. Thats why I suggest 4.30s

[ctrlraven]

I used 4.10s and a 26 inch tall tall tire. It still needed more gear on the bottom end. Thats why I suggest 4.30s

We'll see how the 4.10 combo works out, if I need more than I will change it down the road. I still have pulleys, elec or EMP water pump, full exhaust, trans kit and 4.10s to play with.

[Blackened300a]

We'll see how the 4.10 combo works out, if I need more than I will change it down the road. I still have pulleys, elec or EMP water pump, full exhaust, trans kit and 4.10s to play with.

Whats only 7 tenths to knock off?? lol We lose 700lbs and we are in.:D.

Full exhaust, smaller tires, maybe some more RPM, and a strong race tune will be all we can do to achieve this.

[Blackened300a]

Not a great of money, but a firm indicator of how fruitless the challenge is and how sure I am that it can not be done.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

A firm indicator would have been $1000, but I think in the back of your head that you know there is the slight chance of a N/A hitting the 12's. :D

A lot of members had a great chance to atempt this and when they started getting close, They just pulled the trigger and got a supercharger. It hasnt been done because of the lack of motovation for a N/A guy to just stay N/A and go fast, the obvious answer has always been "get a supecharger"
Well you have 5 guys taking a stab at your $100 and I really think you are going to lose.

BTW, I agree with you on the streetable rules. The car will be driven to the track, DOT tires will be used, full interior, and engine accessories intact. The first person to do so must also provide timeslip with either video/picture conformation that the record is indeed broke. That is our proof to claim the $100.

[ImpalaSlayer]

i also agree with Glenn on the rules thing. the only thing my mm will have different is the tires. evrything else will still be in the car

[Krytin]

Ctrl raven uses a smaller tire at the track and it changed his gear ratio. I want to use a 16" rim and tire for track use only. Then I may ponder a gear swap lol

Any future mods planned in time for Carlisle?
If I can sell a spare Kayak that I'm not using anymore...

[Bradley G]

If the rules don't include a real sticky tire, I think Glens' Benji is pretty safe!:P

[ctrlraven]

Whats only 7 tenths to knock off?? lol We lose 700lbs and we are in.:D.

Full exhaust, smaller tires, maybe some more RPM, and a strong race tune will be all we can do to achieve this.

I am way ahead of you, I've already been doing research on lightweight replacement parts. I already have a fiberglass hood, next step would be trunk lid (going to contact the guys who did the hood for it) and I will also be looking into smaller front aluminum wheels or skinnies.

I wonder if Sherman would drive my car, that is a big weight reduction there or I'll just hire a pro racing midget :lol:.

Any way it gets cut we will all give it a damn good effort. I can see some late nights at Impalaslayer's place working on the cars.

[ImpalaSlayer]

. I can see some late nights at Impalaslayer's place working on the cars.


bring it on! might wana wait till the heater gets fixed though lol

[Vortech347]

Who in the hell would remove the wiper blades? Thats more ricy than a 5" tip.

[Vortech347]

4.30's I promise won't hurt "street maners" My wife daily drives her 01 with 4.30's. It only has 25" tall tires on it. At 80mph its around 3100rpm. It now has 104k on it and I tracked through the last owners and it recieved the 4.30's when it had 15k on it! It still runs with other 01's and Mach's just fine, has good compression, and daily driving gets between 22-24mpg! All freeway at 75 (when I drove it back from TX) it got 26!

Don't fear the gear. If you're within .1 you're gona sell your soul to the devil for those 4.30's.

I went with 4.10's because the guy that installed my gears didn't have any 4.30's in his garage at the time.

A perfect rear end ratio per/hp will put you right at the rev limiter just after the 1/4 mile line in 3rd in an auto and 4th in a 5-speed. With the 3.55's in my stang I hit my shift light about 200ft before the line and get through 100rpm shy of the limiter.

[ctrlraven]

Damn straight I will sell my soul for some 4.30 if that is the final puzzle piece to getting into the 12's.

[ImpalaSlayer]

4.10s are enought for me

[Pops]

4.10s are enought for me

They suggested 4.30 when I did mine. I wish I would have used then and listened! $.10s went thru the traps about 5500 rpm.

[ImpalaSlayer]

im just saying there enought for me beacuse i dont like the added drone of the higer gears

[Pops]

im just saying there enought for me beacuse i dont like the added drone of the higer gears

Would not be much diff. going down the road Dave.

[Vortech347]

Actually they are quieter. Once you get past 2500 the exhaust noise is quieter at part throttle. My wife's car drones pretty good at 2200. Same thing with my MM. 2200ish rpm I can hear the exhaust alot (which is okay cause it's nice). I speed up to 75 (2500ish) it quiets down.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Would not be much diff. going down the road Dave.


meh ill see if i need em. dont feel like spending another 500 to get a lil more gear unless i truly need it

[RR|Suki]

meh ill see if i need em. dont feel like spending another 500 to get a lil more gear unless i truly need it

you'd have to run a pretty small tire at the track, or have a good deal more power than the N/As that have tried before to not need a good amount of gear. 12.9@100mph :eek:

[O's Fan Rich]

12's 12's 12's 12's 12's!!!!

[Glenn]

Vortec:

The large WS wiper cowl housing - it is removal.

Blackened: Agreed. I will also throw in a nice trophy with the person name engraved, time, track, date, etc. We'll call it the "Can't Be Done -12s NA" trophy.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[Blackened300a]

Vortec:

The large WS wiper cowl housing - it is removal.

Blackened: Agreed. I will also throw in a nice trophy with the person name engraved, time, track, date, etc. We'll call it the "Can't Be Done -12s NA" trophy.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

You have a deal!

[Black_Noise]

CVN.net can suck it. Even if their car is faster it isn't worth **** compared to an MM in value.
ha... tell em

[LOWBUCKMM]

im in for this challenge. i have a block sitting on the stand just waiting for me to think what i want to do with my car. i did not know that 12s have not been done in a n/a marauder yet. what is the fastest n/a time right now??? brandon

[ImpalaSlayer]

the 12s have been done but not with stock displacement and internals.

[Vortech347]

Stock shortblock is the rule. I would try but I'm at 5200ft elevation. I'm already laughed at with my numbers.

[Rocknthehawk]

new england dragway will have some nice cool air temps early in the season....

[Paul T. Casey]

So when this happens (not if) how is anyone going to know that some FOG didn't just buy a nice bored and stroked Aluminator (or similar 4.6 block with wider holes, shorter pistons, and/or longer connecting rods) and keep all those pretty stock Marauder exterior engine dress up parts?
I also have in my possession a nice little article from Ford Builder magazine for 400+ N/A rwhp. It's pricey, and I'm not sure it's enough for a trip to quarter mile Nirvanna (sic) in a two plus ton land yacht.
Anyway, I guess I'll see where I can get in this race.

[Mest30]

As you guys know from the other 12s N/A thread, that's my ultimate goal. And the way things are looking, I wont be the first to make it. Good luck to everyone and keep the updates coming. If I'm not going to be the first to do it, I'd like to know what mods got you there!

[ctrlraven]

As you guys know from the other 12s N/A thread, that's my ultimate goal. And the way things are looking, I wont be the first to make it. Good luck to everyone and keep the updates coming. If I'm not going to be the first to do it, I'd like to know what mods got you there!

Don't sell yourself short man. Honestly I don't see myself doing it this year unless the money for full exhaust/dyno just falls out of the sky.

I take each mod and push it to the limit until I feel I can't get any faster and then move on to something else. I was doing 14.25-.27 with just a tune, JLT, ngk plugs, gms coil connectors, 2nd set of cats deleted, (flowmaster mufflers/res delete tips) ran about 3/8 tank of gas with spare/jack out on 255/55-18 bfg kdw2 tires at 26psi. That's just as fast or faster than most guys with intake, tune and 4.10 gears.

[Mest30]

Dang, that means you would have beaten me by 2 tenths with way less mods than me! I think my biggest obstacle thus far has been traction and weather. It was pretty hot every time I went racing thus far and I was running 5 year old stock tires. But I am in no way selling myself short. I'm focusing on 13s before I start thinking 12s. With the Nitto 420s and high stall TC, I should hit 13s as long as I get some decent launches. Then I need to some researh and see what else can be done. But I'm hoping to be in the 13s with stock exhaust.

[Joe Walsh]

Dang, that means you would have beaten me by 2 tenths with way less mods than me! I think my biggest obstacle thus far has been traction and weather. It was pretty hot every time I went racing thus far and I was running 5 year old stock tires. But I am in no way selling myself short. I'm focusing on 13s before I start thinking 12s. With the Nitto 420s and high stall TC, I should hit 13s as long as I get some decent launches. Then I need to some researh and see what else can be done. But I'm hoping to be in the 13s with stock exhaust.

Cool weather and sticky drag radials will be a 'must have' to get close to the 12s N/A.

You can shave .15 - .20 seconds off your 60 foot time with sticky DRs and a good launch technique.

My Marauder is .25 seconds slower on a hot, humid day.

[ctrlraven]

Yes cold weather and sticky tires can really make a difference.

[LOWBUCKMM]

well now that i know i would have to rebuild my spare motor back to stock specs. i think ill be out of this comp. cause what i really want to do with the spare is build a big stroke and low compression motor. and if i were going to stay n/a i would have to build a big(or should i say bigger) compression motor for 12s or faster. i guess ill just build it the exspensive way i want. but im sure ill be in the running for the 12s befor the motor swap. brandon

[DTRMiguel]

14.51 w/ just an intake! :D and i spun pretty bad out of the hole :mad2:

[Joe Walsh]

well now that i know i would have to rebuild my spare motor back to stock specs. i think ill be out of this comp. cause what i really want to do with the spare is build a big stroke and low compression motor. and if i were going to stay n/a i would have to build a big(or should i say bigger) compression motor for 12s or faster. i guess ill just build it the exspensive way i want. but im sure ill be in the running for the 12s befor the motor swap. brandon

I'm not sure what you mean by low compression...why build a low compression motor? A low compression 4.6L DOHC in a heavy Marauder will be a DOG until the boost builds.
Unless you are planning on running insane amounts of boost, I would NOT reduce my compression ratio when rebuilding a DOHC engine for a Marauder.
The only exception might be if you had an Eaton and were going to run LOTS of boost. The Eaton will make boost instantly and make up for the lowered CR.
With today's computer controls, fuel injectors and dyno tuning methods, you can safely run lots of boost on a 10.1:1 (OEM CR) engine...especially if it has forged components.
You will keep the low speed torque and drivability.
If you really want further protection from detonation, add a methanol injection system.

Just my :twocents:

[RR|Suki]

I'm not sure what you mean by low compression...why build a low compression motor? A low compression 4.6L DOHC in a heavy Marauder will be a DOG until the boost builds.
Unless you are planning on running insane amounts of boost, I would NOT reduce my compression ratio when rebuilding a DOHC engine for a Marauder.
The only exception might be if you had an Eaton and were going to run LOTS of boost. The Eaton will make boost instantly and make up for the lowered CR.
With today's computer controls, fuel injectors and dyno tuning methods, you can safely run lots of boost on a 10.1:1 (OEM CR) engine...especially if it has forged components.
You will keep the low speed torque and drivability.
If you really want further protection from detonation, add a methanol injection system.

Just my :twocents:

big assumption there... I happen to run a big bore with low compression. I also only run 9psi and if anything I have too much bottom end. So much so that I went with big primaries for my headers, and 3" exhaust to try and move the power band over. After all that I still burn the tires off even at 40mph... Heck even if I half throttle all the way to 5500rpm if I stab the throttle the tires will spin. heck I can hardly make a proper 1/4 mile pass I have run 12.5 at almost 120mph, cuz I can't even give it the juice in 1st. To sum up, you are very incorrect in your assumption.

P.S. it's all blower selection, if you are going big bore low compression, you need something that will move large amounts of air... my Novi 2000 happens to move 1700cfm... I'm sure if you put a T trim with it's 1000cfm on my car it would likely be a dog... it's all about working with the tools you have.

[Blown3.8]

Someone needs to start a 12 sec NA rules thread. But make it simple. Min weight, i would suggest 4000 lbs with driver so you can still run at SSHS. Stock short block, although I would try and do it with out pullin the cam covers. Must have full interior.

[Vortech347]

I think stock shortblock is fair enough.

Cams are an easy and very worth while upgrade.

[TooManyFords]

I think everyone forgot what N/A means. It doesn't mean stock this and factory that. It simply means no power adder.

Stuff a stock 460 with a 4 barrerl in there and I guarantee 12's. And it is still N/A.

Now if you want to go down the "with a blah-blah-blah..." in your signature, so be it.

:D

[Joe Walsh]

I think everyone forgot what N/A means. It doesn't mean stock this and factory that. It simply means no power adder.
Stuff a stock 460 with a 4 barrerl in there and I guarantee 12's. And it is still N/A.

Now if you want to go down the "with a blah-blah-blah..." in your signature, so be it.

:D

So I win then!!!.....:banana2:

[DTRMiguel]

So I win then!!!.....:banana2:

:lol: your crazy joe

[DTRMiguel]

I think the rules should be
1. You must have a 4.6l 281ci Motor
2. NO power added NOS,Blower,Turbo
3. Anything else you want to do to the car is ok with me! eg.. Weight Reduction and or smaller tires. What difference does it make what i do to get my car into the 12's. I would have done it.

AM I RIGHT?

[Joe Walsh]

big assumption there... I happen to run a big bore with low compression. I also only run 9psi and if anything I have too much bottom end. So much so that I went with big primaries for my headers, and 3" exhaust to try and move the power band over. After all that I still burn the tires off even at 40mph... Heck even if I half throttle all the way to 5500rpm if I stab the throttle the tires will spin. heck I can hardly make a proper 1/4 mile pass I have run 12.5 at almost 120mph, cuz I can't even give it the juice in 1st. To sum up, you are very incorrect in your assumption.

P.S. it's all blower selection, if you are going big bore low compression, you need something that will move large amounts of air... my Novi 2000 happens to move 1700cfm... I'm sure if you put a T trim with it's 1000cfm on my car it would likely be a dog... it's all about working with the tools you have.


Yes, You and I have more cubes...hence more bottom end torque.
My post was concerning a low compression 4.6L DOHC.
Having too much bottom end torque is not an engine problem, it is a traction problem.
Why 'soften' your bottom end torque with a lowered compression ratio on a 4.6L?
In a heavy Marauder I want as much low speed torque as possible.
Keep the low end torque and get a set of tires to hook it up.
:2thumbs:

[BODYMAN]

In my opinion anything without NOS or any other power adder is N/A . Built motor or whatever just none of the two above. cubic inch or anything without the above is N/A to me!!! just my opinion.

Todd

[FordNut]

So I win then!!!.....:banana2:

Yep, you win. Congratulations!:party::cheer: :party:

[Joe Walsh]

Yep, you win. Congratulations!:party::cheer: :party:

WHOOO HOOO!

:woohoo:

Look at all the money I saved everyone who is trying to accomplish this feat!

;)

[RR|Suki]

Yes, You and I have more cubes...hence more bottom end torque.
My post was concerning a low compression 4.6L DOHC.
Having too much bottom end torque is not an engine problem, it is a traction problem.
Why 'soften' your bottom end torque with a lowered compression ratio on a 4.6L?
In a heavy Marauder I want as much low speed torque as possible.
Keep the low end torque and get a set of tires to hook it up.
:2thumbs:

maybe so, but the original person was talking about stroke, and maybe even more. Wanting to make a bigger motor to paraphrase him. I still am not convinced either way that a low comp 4.6 would be a dog with the right blower you wouldn't need a bunch of psi, you just need to move the right amount of air properly.

[Joe Walsh]

maybe so, but the original person was talking about stroke, and maybe even more. Wanting to make a bigger motor to paraphrase him. I still am not convinced either way that a low comp 4.6 would be a dog with the right blower you wouldn't need a bunch of psi, you just need to move the right amount of air properly.

True, as they say:

Boost is merely a measure of your engine's flow restrictions.

[O's Fan Rich]

So I win then!!!.....:banana2:

Yes , It's over.... thank goodness.
I am so glad John cleared this all up for the community.

It is now a documented FACT that a N/A full body and interior 2003-04 Mercury Marauder can get below a 13.000 timed 1/4 mile pass!

Awesome work Joe!!!! :beer::beer:

[RR|Suki]

Yes , It's over.... thank goodness.
I am so glad John cleared this all up for the community.

It is now a documented FACT that a N/A full body and interior 2003-04 Mercury Marauder can get below a 13.000 timed 1/4 mile pass!

Awesome work Joe!!!! :beer::beer:

:banana2::banana2::banana2::ba nana2:

[Joe Walsh]

Yes , It's over.... thank goodness.
I am so glad John cleared this all up for the community.

It is now a documented FACT that a N/A full body and interior 2003-04 Mercury Marauder can get below a 13.000 timed 1/4 mile pass!

Awesome work Joe!!!! :beer::beer:



"First of all I'd like to thank everyone for this gracious honor and award!
I'd like to thank my engine builder, my friends, my family, and my fellow CAMmers who insisted that it could be done!
I'd like to thank BF Goodrich for the sticky drag radials, and, of course; The 'Big Man Upstairs' for supplying the cool track temperatures.
Most of all, I've got to thank my stupid brain.
Without it, I would have saved thousands and thousands of dollars, lots of time, and just bought a supercharger in the first place!"

:P

[FordNut]

... I would have saved thousands and thousands of dollars, lots of time, and just bought a supercharger...


You did that, but never bothered to install it...
You could be in the race for the 9's.

[Joe Walsh]

You did that, but never bothered to install it...
You could be in the race for the 9's.

Don't remind me!....:bigcry:.....:depress:

Yeah, but I bought the S/C last...not first....DOH!!!

Unfortunately, my financial situation greatly outweighed the quest for quicker ETs.

[Blackened300a]

The whole point of the quest for 12's N/A was to do it on stock internals. Joe is already reguarded as the N/A king but it took him a built engine to do it.

Game still on.

[O's Fan Rich]

The whole point of the quest for 12's N/A was to do it on stock internals. Joe is already reguarded as the N/A king but it took him a built engine to do it.

Game still on.

That's not what John, (TMF) said.....

"Quote:
Originally Posted by TooManyFords View Post
I think everyone forgot what N/A means. It doesn't mean stock this and factory that. It simply means no power adder.
Stuff a stock 460 with a 4 barrerl in there and I guarantee 12's. And it is still N/A.

Now if you want to go down the "with a blah-blah-blah..." in your signature, so be it."

[ctrlraven]

The whole point of the quest for 12's N/A was to do it on stock internals. Joe is already reguarded as the N/A king but it took him a built engine to do it.

Game still on.
Yep, this is a test for stock bottom end 4.6L only cars.

Yes Joe did do 12.99 back to back (I recorded the videos) and he also did it on 3.55 gears with small diameter drag radials.
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[LOWBUCKMM]

I'm not sure what you mean by low compression...why build a low compression motor? A low compression 4.6L DOHC in a heavy Marauder will be a DOG until the boost builds.
Unless you are planning on running insane amounts of boost, I would NOT reduce my compression ratio when rebuilding a DOHC engine for a Marauder.
The only exception might be if you had an Eaton and were going to run LOTS of boost. The Eaton will make boost instantly and make up for the lowered CR.
With today's computer controls, fuel injectors and dyno tuning methods, you can safely run lots of boost on a 10.1:1 (OEM CR) engine...especially if it has forged components.
You will keep the low speed torque and drivability.
If you really want further protection from detonation, add a methanol injection system.

Just my :twocents:



well with what im going to do with it its going to need low compression. im going to try to twin turbo my car. dont know what size turbo. i know the guy that runs a very good shop that does a lot of work for turbo cars and we both looked at the car and tryied to figure out how to do it. but we do know that a single turbo will fit just fine in there. brandon

[Joe Walsh]

well with what im going to do with it its going to need low compression. im going to try to twin turbo my car. dont know what size turbo. i know the guy that runs a very good shop that does a lot of work for turbo cars and we both looked at the car and tryied to figure out how to do it. but we do know that a single turbo will fit just fine in there. brandon

Cool!
I think that is the ultimate S/C system for a Marauder.
No one has done it yet...there was a single turbo Marauder kit available, but that company is out of business.
Keep us updated if you decide to build it!

[slick rick]

Whats a ballpark figure for the TT kit.

[LOWBUCKMM]

Whats a ballpark figure for the TT kit.
i would not know what it will cost cause its going to be all custom so im pretty sure its going to cost a lot. i know someone has built a single turbo marauder cause when i was looking for a MARAUDER i saw it for sale on cars.com for about 33k. but they said it had over 600hp at the wheels. so if anything i would do a single turbo if i do force induction but for now my car is in the 13s with some magic juice and im ok with that for now. brandon

[Paul T. Casey]

Yep, this is a test for stock bottom end 4.6L only cars.


Stock bottom ends, eh? My friend owns a scrap metal yard here in town. I'll keep everyone posted as to when scrap aluminum prices are high. I don't think a stock bottom end will handle the rpm's needed for 12's.

[Blackened300a]

Stock bottom ends, eh? My friend owns a scrap metal yard here in town. I'll keep everyone posted as to when scrap aluminum prices are high. I don't think a stock bottom end will handle the rpm's needed for 12's.

Our goal is to prove you and the naysayers wrong. If we fail then it can be put to rest that a Marauder can't be put in the 12's with only bolt-ons and tuning.

[Joe Walsh]

Stock bottom ends, eh? My friend owns a scrap metal yard here in town. I'll keep everyone posted as to when scrap aluminum prices are high. I don't think a stock bottom end will handle the rpm's needed for 12's.

I agree, That will be the limiting factor.
You can only get so much torque out of an N/A 4.6L, so you have to spin it higher to get more HP.
Spin the powdered metal rods and stock pistons too fast and you have.....powdered metal!

I think that the stock bottom end might get you into the 12s....but not for long.

[FordNut]

Our goal is to prove you and the naysayers wrong. If we fail then it can be put to rest that a Marauder can't be put in the 12's with only bolt-ons and tuning.

Do it, do it, do it. All I've seen is a bunch of blah blah blah, no timeslips.

[O's Fan Rich]

NAY-SAY!!!!!!

There you go guy's... a little boost for your determination!

GO GIT 'EM!!!

[ctrlraven]

I agree, That will be the limiting factor.
You can only get so much torque out of an N/A 4.6L, so you have to spin it higher to get more HP.
Spin the powdered metal rods and stock pistons too fast and you have.....powdered metal!

I think that the stock bottom end might get you into the 12s....but not for long.
I've still got my Ford ESP until Dec of this year lol. Only need to run 12.99 or better once to reach the goal.


Do it, do it, do it. All I've seen is a bunch of blah blah blah, no timeslips.
Then by all means open up your checkbook so we can use it and get to 12's faster lol.

This is our goal for this year. Can't post any timeslip when the local tracks won't be open for 1-2 months still so settle your britches down grasshoppa. :burnout:

[Pops]

Us old guys are watching with interest. Use the wisdom we have put out there for you! Good luck!

[FordNut]

Then by all means open up your checkbook so we can use it and get to 12's faster lol.

I did that already, on my own car. Your turn.

[Paul T. Casey]

Our goal is to prove you and the naysayers wrong. If we fail then it can be put to rest that a Marauder can't be put in the 12's with only bolt-ons and tuning.

Hey, even though I happen to be a FOG, I'm still on your side. I don't consider balancing the crank, or trueing up the block and pistons to be out of the realm of what we NA guys are trying to do. There happens to be some s/c guys who I'd love to trailer in a heads up match.* Believe me, at the first hint of the car using any oil, I'm all for a complete teardown and re-build. I figure I must be getting close with 200K+, but the thing doesn't seem to use aa lick of oil yet. I'm mulling over some realistic rules in my head, I'll post them soon.

*Not a personal vendetta, just for the sake of it. Glenn is a great man, something we should all strive to emulate. However, I seem to have a lot of trouble getting by him at the big end, even bracket racing. He'd be on my list. :coolman:

[Glenn]

Old Timers on this board have spent $20,000 trying to run 12s with a 4.6 NA streetable car. Save your money and time and go to a TS and jump right over the 12s into the 11's. It just is not going to happen - give it up and save yourself alot of grief.

In the meantime, I will be at Silver Dollar in February dialing in my run for the 11.7s. I have a few Timeslip page positions I need to jump up to.

Glenn

[sd8683]

Old Timers on this board have spent $20,000 trying to run 12s with a 4.6 NA streetable car. Save your money and time and go to a TS and jump right over the 12s into the 11's. It just is not going to happen - give it up and save yourself alot of grief.

In the meantime, I will be at Silver Dollar in February dialing in my run for the 11.7s. I have a few Timeslip page positions I need to jump up to.

Glenn

You just don't get it do you:confused: Some of us don't want a supercharger..... "If" I don't make it into the 12's I will be happy with a low 13 second car, and if I feel the need to go faster, maybe a few years down the road I'll buy a S/C, but it's just not in the cards right now.

Sean

[RR|Suki]

You just don't get it do you:confused: Some of us don't want a supercharger..... "If" I don't make it into the 12's I will be happy with a low 13 second car, and if I feel the need to go faster, maybe a few years down the road I'll buy a S/C, but it's just not in the cards right now.

Sean

how close are you to low 13s now?

[sd8683]

how close are you to low 13s now?

Don't know, I haven't finished modding it yet..... I still have headers to install, 3500 stall torque converter and an intake spacer. A good race gas tune I "should" be atleast the low to mid 13's range.

[RR|Suki]

Don't know, I haven't finished modding it yet..... I still have headers to install, 3500 stall torque converter and an intake spacer. A good race gas tune I "should" be atleast the low to mid 13's range.

I'd go take a peek at the time slips page and see how far that alone has gotten others... 13.5 with small sticky tires and all your mods seems to be the fastest... being realistic is important. I'd like someone to do it, but it seems like the things that have been done before by those who didn't make it, are just being re done again... no one is gonna go 12.9 @ 99mph no matter how much gear you put in it. Someone needs to find a way to get more powaaaa than the norm. Just sayin, if this is gonna happen, some outside the box thinking is in order.

[sd8683]

I'd go take a peek at the time slips page and see how far that alone has gotten others... 13.5 with small sticky tires and all your mods seems to be the fastest... being realistic is important. I'd like someone to do it, but it seems like the things that have been done before by those who didn't make it, are just being re done again... no one is gonna go 12.9 @ 99mph no matter how much gear you put in it. Someone needs to find a way to get more powaaaa than the norm. Just sayin, if this is gonna happen, some outside the box thinking is in order.

I agree with most of what you said, but...... look at ctlraven (13.7x)and blackened300a (13.6x) timeslips, they both have a few more mods to do.

[RR|Suki]

I agree with most of what you said, but...... look at ctlraven (13.7x)and blackened300a (13.6x) timeslips, they both have a few more mods to do.

yes and look at the mph... as you max out the et : mph ratio every .10 gets harder just saying, numbers are what they are. People need to try more RPM some intake upper and lower porting, head work, something. Doing what's been done over again just doesn't seem like it's going to lead to shocking results.

[Pops]

yes and look at the mph... as you max out the et : mph ratio every .10 gets harder just saying, numbers are what they are. People need to try more RPM some intake upper and lower porting, head work, something. Doing what's been done over again just doesn't seem like it's going to lead to shocking results.

Tried most of that and did not see enourh gain! Its like it hit a brick wall!

[FordNut]

yes and look at the mph... as you max out the et : mph ratio every .10 gets harder just saying, numbers are what they are. People need to try more RPM some intake upper and lower porting, head work, something. Doing what's been done over again just doesn't seem like it's going to lead to shocking results.

I did it all, except heads and cams.

Only one new innovation comes to mind that could possibly help. The two-step could help with launches, reducing the 60's and leading to a better e.t. The two-step wasn't available back in the day when Barry & I were chasing 12's n/a.

[sd8683]

I did it all, except heads and cams.

Only one new innovation comes to mind that could possibly help. The two-step could help with launches, reducing the 60's and leading to a better e.t. The two-step wasn't available back in the day when Barry & I were chasing 12's n/a.


Hmmmmm.... Tell me more about this two-step:D

[Pops]

Hmmmmm.... Tell me more about this two-step:D

Available from Pops Stereo. It is a launch control device that lets you preset the launch RPM. SET it and hold your foot to the floor on the gas and it keeps the motor at pre determined RPM till you let off the brake. They are 220.00 plus shipping. Made by MSD.

John ;)

[Blackened300a]

Available from Pops Stereo. It is a launch control device that lets you preset the launch RPM. SET it and hold your foot to the floor on the gas and it keeps the motor at pre determined RPM till you let off the brake. They are 220.00 plus shipping. Made by MSD.

John ;)

Doesn't the convertor pre determine the highest RPM you can launch at? Or is this like basically neutral dropping the tranny?

[Pops]

The converter will allow you to pre;ole the car. The 2 step will allow you to do exactly the same thing each time you launch. Start at 2000 RPM and increase at 100 RPM till you find what works best. It makes the car more consistent at launch plus you are not trying to hit the same mark each time which is hard to do.

[Blackened300a]

That brings us back to the discussion of preload or flashing the convertor. My last runs were done while flashing the convertor.

[Pops]

That brings us back to the discussion of preload or flashing the convertor. My last runs were done while flashing the convertor.

I have tried both ways Paul. It took a long time to get it thru my feeble mind that flashing makes the car launch harder. I was bringing the motor up to 1000 RPM. Have you tried my shift schedule yet! :D

[Blackened300a]

I have tried both ways Paul. It took a long time to get it thru my feeble mind that flashing makes the car launch harder. I was bringing the motor up to 1000 RPM. Have you tried my shift schedule yet! :D

Not yet but expect a PM soon asking for details!:D

Heres a test from MM&FF on the two step
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_0809_msd_launch_control_i nstall_and_test/index.html

[ctrlraven]

I'd go take a peek at the time slips page and see how far that alone has gotten others... 13.5 with small sticky tires and all your mods seems to be the fastest... being realistic is important. I'd like someone to do it, but it seems like the things that have been done before by those who didn't make it, are just being re done again... no one is gonna go 12.9 @ 99mph no matter how much gear you put in it. Someone needs to find a way to get more powaaaa than the norm. Just sayin, if this is gonna happen, some outside the box thinking is in order.
True no one NA will go 12.9 @ 99mph. I did my 13.72 @ 99.96 mph with a 2.09 60ft.


I agree with most of what you said, but...... look at ctlraven (13.7x)and blackened300a (13.6x) timeslips, they both have a few more mods to do.I have more than a few since right now I am only running several to start with. JLT, ngk 6ix plugs, 39lb injectors, ford gt fuel pump, intake spacer, gms coil-connectors, 2nd set of cats deleted, pi 3500 stall, 16" drag radials and a tune by Zack.


I did it all, except heads and cams.

Only one new innovation comes to mind that could possibly help. The two-step could help with launches, reducing the 60's and leading to a better e.t. The two-step wasn't available back in the day when Barry & I were chasing 12's n/a.I think that would of really helped out back then but it will definetly be used now to acommplish this goal.

[Vortech347]

Why are you putting 39lb injectors in?

[RR|Suki]

Why are you putting 39lb injectors in?

for more powaaaaaa.... yeah...:confused:

[ctrlraven]

Why are you putting 39lb injectors in?
I got them from a friend for $50 brand new, plus my stock ones were so damn noisy it was hard to tell the difference between them and a head tick. Already have a Ford GT fuel pump in.


for more powaaaaaa.... yeah...:confused:
Add more timing, add more fuel. :burnout:

[RR|Suki]

must be adding a lot of timing ;)

[ctrlraven]

No ping here.

[FordNut]

Actually it will make more power if it's running leaner (less fuel).

[ctrlraven]

Yeah I know, a lot of racers will run slightly leaner to squeeze out a few more hp. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

[Glenn]

In all sincere honestly - Guys --- this is an unattainable goal. I really wish we had never started this. Someone is going to try his hardest to do this and spend alot of money that probably would be better spent somewhere else. This is not a brick wall - this is an impossible achievement. And at the end, you still only have a 12.9s car - not fast by most standards. Let's all call it a day and move on to something else.

NO flames - :flamer: This is an honest post.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[Blackened300a]

This is not a brick wall - this is an impossible achievement. And at the end, you still only have a 12.9s car - not fast by most standards.

In too deep. Now its become a experiment to prove if it can or cannot be done. I wont accept being told its impossible unless I prove it to myself.

[ImpalaSlayer]

In too deep. Now its become a experiment to prove if it can or cannot be done. I wont accept being told its impossible unless I prove it to myself.

amen. absolutly nothing personal against you Glenn

[Vortech347]

I respect N/A power long before forced induction. This is coming from someone WITH a blower...

My wife's car N/A will be pretty crazy when I get done with it.

There is someone on svtperformance named nazman that has an N/A 99' cobra that has over 450rwhp, runs 10's N/A and 9's on the sauce....

Now THAT is fast.

[Glenn]

Ok, I respect people who pick up an impossible challenge. You're in for a long hard road ahead. Wisdom and age will previal. But, I will have the trophy ready and present it to the MM NA stock motor streetable car who breaks 12s by the end of this year - as per Blackened300a rules.

Good luck - all.

Glenn Ford :beer:

[ctrlraven]

Ok, I respect people who pick up an impossible challenge. You're in for a long hard road ahead. Wisdom and age will previal. But, I will have the trophy ready and present it to the MM NA stock motor streetable car who breaks 12s by the end of this year - as per Blackened300a rules.

Good luck - all.

Glenn Ford :beer:
:beer: For the post!

If it's by the end of this year then it will be someone else who does it and not me with the drama going on in my life. Pray I have a speedy and cheap divorce then I could it being in the fall for sure lol.

[Blackened300a]

Pray I have a speedy and cheap divorce then I could it being in the fall for sure lol.

I kinda saw that coming at MV-V. She didn't seem to thrilled with your car hobby in the least.

[Joe Walsh]

Chris, I'm sorry to hear this.
I hope that things work out for the both of you.

[ctrlraven]

I kinda saw that coming at MV-V. She didn't seem to thrilled with your car hobby in the least.
LOL Yeah especially at the Picnic but she was still learning how to deal with having type 2 diabetes so she was angry at the world. Car's just are not her thing.


Chris, I'm sorry to hear this.
I hope that things work out for the both of you.
Thanks Joe but I really don't want things to work out lol.

[Quickvic30]

CVN.net can suck it. Even if their car is faster it isn't worth **** compared to an MM in value.


Thats a pretty BOLD statement! How much did you pay for your overpriced crownvic?!?!

[sd8683]

Thats a pretty BOLD statement! How much did you pay for your overpriced crownvic?!?!

Here we GO!!! Honestly............. What do you expect someone to say on a " MARAUDER" web site:shake:

[Vortech347]

Not much. :) It was alot cheaper than the M5 I wanted and won't break as much. God forbid I take pride in my car. :) You can modify a Vic all you want. Its still a Vic

[Quickvic30]

A marauder is a glorified vic....nothin special. Anyways you guys let me know when ya run low 13's NA with your 4v's without spending a small fortune and then i might respect the bold statements.... Oh and lets get this straight i have around 7 k including cost of the car and engine build. Wow theres only one marauder that has run faster NA times than me and god knows how much he has into the car and mods :)

[sd8683]

Nothin special??? And your Vic is? It MUST be special! They ONLY made a BILLION of them

[Quickvic30]

yeah a billion of them that run mid 16's...lol

[sd8683]

Well I'd rather have my "slow" Marauder than your fast Vic

[Quickvic30]

hmmm sucks to be you then lol

[Vortech347]

When I plan on going fast I drive a 570rwhp 2900lb car.

When I plan on driving to work every day in class/style and showing clients around. The MM does the trick quite nicely.

[Rocknthehawk]

Thats a pretty BOLD statement! How much did you pay for your overpriced crownvic?!?!

if you want to stir the pot and start ****, why don't you make a thread?


Regardless of who paid what, you still drive a vic. What's that? you don't have buckets? and you shift on the column? oh snap....you're right. the marauder is just overpriced...it doesn't include any ammenities over a fleet vehicle.

I think you're upset that you bought a Vic, when you realized a marauder was where the value is.

[Vortech347]

if you want to stir the pot and start ****, why don't you make a thread?


Regardless of who paid what, you still drive a vic. What's that? you don't have buckets? and you shift on the column? oh snap....you're right. the marauder is just overpriced...it doesn't include any ammenities over a fleet vehicle.

I think you're upset that you bought a Vic, when you realized a marauder was where the value is.

I wanted to be nice but...dang...this man just summed up exactly what I wanted to say as well.

[m1dn1temarauder]

:duel: this is getting good

[Quickvic30]

aaa yeah i have buckets: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx

The value of slow and over priced yes! :)

[Vortech347]

Slow?

Are you freaking kidding me

Stock vs stock the MM MURDERS PI's. I have friends with them. Real cops that would give their left nuts to have MM's as their cars.

[Rocknthehawk]

I wanted to be nice but...dang...this man just summed up exactly what I wanted to say as well.

I don't even own a Marauder, and I know better than to start saying a vic is a nicer car.
Why would they make a Vic Sport to include Marauder-like features, if it wasn't a nicer car?

Can I respect a 12 second Taxi? yes. Can I respect someone that comes on MM.net to stir the pot and get under the skin of MM owners? no.

Start a thread with your opinion (and get pwned), or post tips on how you've achieved the feat, instead of derailing this thread further.

[sd8683]

hmmm sucks to be you then lol


Hmmmm..... I'm sure you (secretly shhh) would rather have my car too. Why else would you be on this site if you didn't like Marauder's? Btw how much does your car weigh?

[Rocknthehawk]

Hmmmm..... I'm sure you (secretly shhh) would rather have my car too. Why else would you be on this site if you didn't like Marauder's? Btw how much does your car weigh?

Don't worry Sean. While you cruise with a/c and leather, he's got a stripped taxi thats good 1/4 mile at a time.

[Quickvic30]

ummm i have buckets: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[ctrlraven]

If I wanted a mass produced 4dr V8 rwd car I would of bought a Charger SRT8 or 300C.

We're not going to get into a battle of how much was spent INCLUDING the car, that's just retarded. The purpose of this goal is to see if a NA stock bottom end can do high 12's. The price of all the NA mods is being compared to the cost of a Trilogy S/C plus install since most that were put on a bone stock car are running low 13's high 12's.

So far I have spent $2300-2500 (parts and labor) to go from 15.14 to 13.72.

[ctrlraven]

ummm


aaa yeah

Nice potty mouth :censor:

[99p71]

cant we all just get along?!?!?

[Rocknthehawk]

ummm i have buckets and you'd know that if ya knew anything about panthers. Floor shifter YA you have an auto trans that shifts for you so who really gives a FU CK! I think ya need to go stroke your MOHAWK and get some more pleasure out of it LOL

The pleasure of owning a world record? Yeah i may just stroke it some more.

Again. Make a thread with your opinions on Marauders. Clearly you're here to stir the pot.

[sd8683]

ummm


Dude you are a tool!! Go to a website that cares what you have to say!

[ctrlraven]

Knock the crap off people I do not want to see this thread get closed.

[Vortech347]

I agree. Lets take this to the flag pole. I'll see you guys there at recess tomorrow... Bring your lunch money too...

[Quickvic30]

A tool that as the fastest NA vic! oh thats right its 2v also :)

[Vortech347]

OMG you serious? In the world? Dude, can I come kiss your shoes?

[Quickvic30]

So far I have spent $2300-2500 (parts and labor) to go from 15.14 to 13.72.

So ur afraid to get ur nails dirty...awwww thats cute lmao :D

[Vortech347]

Bah....

Go work on your car N/A 2valve god.

[ctrlraven]

So ur afraid to get ur nails dirty...awwww that cute lmao :D

Afraid to get my nails dirty? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I turn my own wrenches that's why it's so cheap.

Keep it up, I already know your trying to start crap.

[sd8683]

Hey tool! How much does your car weigh?

[Jolly Roger]

^^^^^>>>>>^^^^:popcorn:

[Quickvic30]

OMG you serious? In the world? Dude, can I come kiss your shoes?

Yes in the world, sure ya can come kiss my shoes and bring ur marauder also so i can lay waste to it! :flamer:

[Vortech347]

Apparently he dosn't want to meet at the flag pole...

Alright fine. I'll put my knight rider lunchbox on the line.

If I wanted to race you I'd bring my 11 second mustang.

[Quickvic30]

Afraid to get my nails dirty? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I turn my own wrenches that's why it's so cheap.

Keep it up, I already know your trying to start crap.


Why did ya say parts and LABOR then???????

[Vortech347]

Because parts don't install themselves....since your a N/A 2v god I'm sure you just look at them and they go in huh?

[ctrlraven]

Why did ya say parts and LABOR then???????
I didn't install my torque converter or weld up my mufflers and tips. :rolleyes:

[Quickvic30]

Apparently he dosn't want to meet at the flag pole...

Alright fine. I'll put my knight rider lunchbox on the line.

If I wanted to race you I'd bring my 11 second mustang.

bring it, thats almost fair :rolleyes: 300 shot ftw :D

[Vortech347]

Even when the road turns? I wish you lived close. You sure you dont' drive a civic? You sound like the guy I took 500$ from last outing at the races.

[Quickvic30]

Thats still payin labor...I do all the work on my car and yes my times not free but alot less that 100 dollars an hour.....

[sd8683]

Thats still payin labor...I do all the work on my car and yes my times not free but alot less that 100 dollars an hour.....

For the THIRD time!!! How much does your car weigh!?!?!?!

[2,4shofast]

:nocomm:

:popcorn:

[Vortech347]

I don't think he understands....

[Quickvic30]

For the THIRD time!!! How much does your car weigh!?!?!?!


hmmmm loook in my sig pic! HINT HINT :P

[Quickvic30]

ya think with that all aluminum block you guys would shed some weight...... :)

[sd8683]

Well there ya go. Put 800lb's in your trunk and then we'll talk!

[Vortech347]

Dosn't matter, we're still quicker from the showroom floor.

[Quickvic30]

Not my fault you guys dont understand power to weight ratio's... :)

[Quickvic30]

Dosn't matter, we're still quicker from the showroom floor.


You keep tellin urself that... a 04 cvpi would beat a 04 MM lol

[Gordonfan24]

Well there ya go. Put 800lb's in your trunk and then we'll talk!
That made me laugh. :burnout:

[sd8683]

Not my fault you guys dont understand power to weight ratio's... :)

You were probably sitting on a milk crate when you made the "worlds fastest" N/A Vic pass

[Vortech347]

I think you're the guy that when he gets his arse kicked at the track you say "well I wasn't ready, not enough traction (with a 280rwhp car HAHA) the sun was in my eyes, my tune is wrong, "

Just an idea i'm getting from all these comments you're making trying to justify a point. But the point you're proving is you are infact... OWNED.