Are 04 marauders faster than 03 marauders

[james1986fox]

The reason I ask is because I have a 2003 blue with a zack tune and a jlt cai and I raced a 04 dtr with just a k&n cai and he also had 22" rims. We went from 0-80 and at the end I was only a nose ahead of him and I was thinikin I should have killed em.

And in the past when I had a 04 dtr stock and this same guy had a 03 black and I was beating him everytime we raced. So are the 04s quicker or what:confused::confused::confu sed:

[Joe Walsh]

Only if they are BLACK!

:D

[Bluerauder]

So are the 04s quicker or what :confused: :confused: :confused:
IMHO. Stock for Stock the '03 and '04 MM are pretty evenly matched .... on average. However, there may be some differences car to car.

In October 2003, I had a chance to go head-to-head with Mike Poore at Mason Dixon Dragway. That was an '03 Blue against an '04 Silver. I got the jump on him at the light and he hung right on my right rear quarter panel for the entire trip down the 1320. I could hear him off to my right and he was pulling ever so slightly -- but not enough to get even by the line. There's a video of that "race" around here somewhere.

FatBastid's '03 Black was cutting 14.8 and 14.9 all night and was several tenths faster than either of us. Or course, he was toting a little less weight than me and Mike. ;)

[Marauderjack]

yes!!!!!!!!

[Zack]

Sounds like the other car had similar mods.
Do you 2 have the same gears?

[Mike Poore]

Car for car, without modifications, the '04 was reported to be a better car. I have first hand information because at Marauderville III, when Steve Babcock asked me which Marauder was mine, I pointed to the the '04 SB and said, "That one, it's a December build, '04". His reply was: "Oh, you got one of the good ones".

There are well documented differences between, between the '03A & B, mostly having to do with decontment, in other threads; but the big thing was the changeover to the more robust transmission in the '04's. Ford never discussed any "tweaking" to the programming, so far as I know; but for Steve to have made that comment, who knows. :dunno:.

[Vortex]

It was probably the 22" rims.

[MyTMerc]

:popcorn:

This should be fun:rolleyes:

[Ms. Denmark]

I know what I think! (She says as she jumps behind the wheel of her '04 Silver Birch.) :coolman:

[justbob]

I know she's^^^^^^misinformed.:D

03 BLACK FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spectragod]

My 04' DTR is a pooch. ;)

[guspech750]

I would check your flex compasitor. Maybe it quit flexing!!

[Blackmobile]

The reason I ask is because I have a 2003 blue with a zack tune and a jlt cai and I raced a 04 dtr with just a k&n cai and he also had 22" rims. We went from 0-80 and at the end I was only a nose ahead of him and I was thinikin I should have killed em.

And in the past when I had a 04 dtr stock and this same guy had a 03 black and I was beating him everytime we raced. So are the 04s quicker or what:confused::confused::confu sed:

Only on Tuesday, after 3 pm...every other month....:D

Quick reference: 03 300B is essentially a 04 300A which is different from 03 300A.

Ed

[Bluerauder]

I would check your flex compasitor. Maybe it quit flexing!!
Yeah, I gotta get me one of those Flex Compasitors. :rolleyes: Which vendor has the best one? Are they difficult to install? Will it fit in the space next to my Turbinator?

[Ms. Denmark]

Yeah, I gotta get me one of those Flex Compasitors. :rolleyes: Which vendor has the best one? Are they difficult to install? Will it fit in the space next to my Turbinator?Flex Compasitor? Took mine off 3 months ago. :rolleyes: Got me a 3000 series Gonkulator 500. Easy install, fits next to the Turbinator like a glove.:coolman:

[BAD MERC]

Silver Marauder are faster. You see, the silver paint reflects the sun and therefore - heat. We all know that heat expands metal. That larger metal creates more wind resistance due to the larger area of coefficient drag and thus I am full of crap again. D'oh!


The other guy probably had a whitworth framastat installed vertically.

[Ms. Denmark]

Silver Marauder are faster. You see, the silver paint reflects the sun and therefore - heat. We all know that heat expands metal. That larger metal creates more wind resistance due to the larger area of coefficient drag and thus I am full of crap again. D'oh!No, no! I think you're on to something! We know the Silver Marauders are faster. Let's not sweat the details. :beer:

[timfromme]

go silver!

[Jolly Roger]

Only if they are BLACK!

:D
What ^^^ said,
plus if he didn't have those hoakey 22" rims he'd have murderized ya.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.:P

[SC Cheesehead]

Yeah, I gotta get me one of those Flex Compasitors. :rolleyes: Which vendor has the best one? Are they difficult to install? Will it fit in the space next to my Turbinator?


Listen, if you're going to spend the big bucks on an Flux Capacitor

http://www.thingamababy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/02/fluxcapacitor.jpg

you really want to shell out a little extra cash for the Mr. Fusion retro-fit. This is the only way this mod makes sense, IMHO.

http://paulbuckley14059.files.wordpre ss.com/2009/03/mr-fusion.jpeg

Hard to get dyno'd though, very few tuners have the capacity to measure RWHP in jiga-units.

Also, good luck on finding sticky tires to grip when you really mash it, I hear low-end torque with this set up is big-time wicked.

[rayjay]

Come on folks, jeesh... everyone knows that DTRs are the fastest ones Mercury built and their titled as a Marauder, not a Grand Marquis... :razz:

[Pat]

Without a doubt 04's are faster than 03's. You asked, I responded.

[Pat]

Silver Marauder are faster. You see, the silver paint reflects the sun and therefore - heat. We all know that heat expands metal. That larger metal creates more wind resistance due to the larger area of coefficient drag and thus I am full of crap again. D'oh!


The other guy probably had a whitworth framastat installed vertically.


Now there is scientific proof as to why my 04 Silver Birch is faster.

I'll add this info to my reference file, right up there with Reflex Klystron.

[jflave]

03's are way faster because----- because :snore:, What was i talking about ? I hate getting old. :)

[guspech750]

I think I saw a Turbinator on Ebay. Had 52 bids with a current price of $3.84. I also saw the Gonkulator on Craigslist. Asking $69.69 obo. The Gonkulator is definately the mod of the year. Way better thank the Flex Compasitor and decades ahead of the Turbinator. But I saw on the internet that the Wonkanator by Wonka Industries is going to be the new rage. Just ask the Umpalators :lol:

[Ms. Denmark]

I think I saw a Turbinator on Ebay. Had 52 bids with a current price of $3.84. I also saw the Gonkulator on Craigslist. Asking $69.69 obo. The Gonkulator is definately the mod of the year. Way better thank the Flex Compasitor and decades ahead of the Turbinator. :lol:I love it when I'm right!;)

[BAD MERC]

Here is proof that 2003's are slower: it takes horsepower to move electric fuel door actuators, full-size spares, map pockets, dash-mounted clocks and black valve cover paint. Every gram adds up.

[justbob]

Don't be haten on all our EXTRAS.:D

[LIGHTNIN1]

I changed the computer out to a 84 Gigahertz desktop and installed a set of "DONUT" space saving tires on my '03 Black and it made a huge difference.

[Bluerauder]

Listen, if you're going to spend the big bucks on an Flux Capacitor

http://www.thingamababy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/02/fluxcapacitor.jpg
There was a guy cruising Woodward during MV III/WDC that had a DeLorean with the whole Flux Capacitor set up in it --- just like BTTF. But I don't think that he was getting the full 1.21 gigawatts without a dyno tune. ;)

[Bradley G]

I remember him saying that Mike, Cause I asked him after that, mine was 10/03 build, and he said "Your Fine Too!"
He went on to say, the transmission refinements were mostly durability and tuning related.
This make sense to me, because we have several different computer catch codes.
I think there are three different codes for 2003 and two for 2004.
Mine is mav2



Car for car, without modifications, the '04 was reported to be a better car. I have first hand information because at Marauderville III, when Steve Babcock asked me which Marauder was mine, I pointed to the the '04 SB and said, "That one, it's a December build, '04". His reply was: "Oh, you got one of the good ones".

There are well documented differences between, between the '03A & B, mostly having to do with decontment, in other threads; but the big thing was the changeover to the more robust transmission in the '04's. Ford never discussed any "tweaking" to the programming, so far as I know; but for Steve to have made that comment, who knows. :dunno:.

[Zack]

The answer is no. 03 and 04's are the same performance wise.

[Bradley G]

Well then, you disagree with the project manager of the Marauder.
That is no surprise
The answer is no. 03 and 04's are the same performance wise.

[W4LTD]

The answer is no. 03 and 04's are the same performance wise.


It all depends on whether the Panther was farm-raised or free-range....

:P

[PRCARGUY]

yes!!!!!!!!


I know what I think! (She says as she jumps behind the wheel of her '04 Silver Birch.) :coolman:


No, no! I think you're on to something! We know the Silver Marauders are faster. Let's not sweat the details. :beer:


Silver Marauder are faster. You see, the silver paint reflects the sun and therefore - heat. We all know that heat expands metal. That larger metal creates more wind resistance due to the larger area of coefficient drag and thus I am full of crap again. D'oh!


The other guy probably had a whitworth framastat installed vertically.


go silver!


Without a doubt 04's are faster than 03's. You asked, I responded.


Now there is scientific proof as to why my 04 Silver Birch is faster.

I'll add this info to my reference file, right up there with Reflex Klystron.


Here is proof that 2003's are slower: it takes horsepower to move electric fuel door actuators, full-size spares, map pockets, dash-mounted clocks and black valve cover paint. Every gram adds up.
I have to agreed with them. :beer:

[Zack]

Well then, you disagree with the project manager of the Marauder.
That is no surprise

I can pull up a 2003 tune and a 2004 tune and compare them side by side and the only difference will be the # of knock sensors and # of holes for the OSS sensor.

So yes, I disagree with the project manager.

[DOOM]

04's are faster. Higher stall torque converter. I'm surprised no one mentioned this. That's a fact.

[Bradley G]

Then how come my MAV2 2004 Marauder would not run or shift properly with a earlier 2003 catch code tune?
And what about Traction Control? You say "YOUR tune: is all transmission changes and it redefines the Marauder.
Now you are saying 03 &04;s are exactly the same peformance wise?
Have you ever owned a stock 2004 Marauder?
Gime a break

I can pull up a 2003 tune and a 2004 tune and compare them side by side and the only difference will be the # of knock sensors and # of holes for the OSS sensor.

So yes, I disagree with the project manager.

[CBT]

Here is proof that 2003's are slower: it takes horsepower to move electric fuel door actuators, full-size spares, map pockets, dash-mounted clocks and black valve cover paint. Every gram adds up.

Not all 03's have all that. :cool:

[MyTMerc]

04's are faster. Higher stall torque converter. I'm surprised no one mentioned this. That's a fact.

Let's not clutter up this thread with facts and scientific evidence. :D I've seen the Flex Compasitors, Turbinators, and Glonkulators. I went with a Twin Screw Viborator. :eek: Had to take it out though, I my passengers kept screaming at me, more to the left, more to the right, yes! yes! yes! I think it was messing with my GPS. :confused: Back to stock again but driving alone a lot now. The good news is I picked up speed without the extra weight in the passenger seat.

Oh yeah, black 04's are faster because they are stealthier. We have that low drag paint. It's so thin that after a couple of washings, it just fades right off to the stealthy gray primer (if you have any) or like mine, to bare metal.

[Ms. Denmark]

Thanks for making me LOL, Shaun.^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!

BTW where did you say you got that Vibronator thingy? :D

[rayjay]

BTW where did you say you got that Vibronator thingy? :D

What did you do with your live one?

[Blackened300a]

I raced a stock 04 back when all I had was a mail order tune, CAI and pullies. He pulled me off the line by a fender then I started gaining and pulled past him but a very slow pull.
With a new tune, he wasnt even close anymore.:D

[sd8683]

I raced a stock 04 back when all I had was a mail order tune, CAI and pullies. He pulled me off the line by a fender then I started gaining and pulled past him but a very slow pull.
With a new tune, he wasnt even close anymore.:D


Paul, did the two of you have comparable mods?

[Blackened300a]

Paul, did the two of you have comparable mods?

He was bone stock when I raced him and I had a mail order tune, CAI and pullies.
He may have had a factory freak.

[SC Cheesehead]

I never had the DTR to the strip, but SOTP it felt quicker that the DBP bone stock.

[LOWBUCKMM]

I have seen 03 marauders run slower on more mods then my 04.

[justbob]

Yes, but i have seen mine run faster than a comparable 04 with gears and boxed control arms while mine were stock at the time. No names:D

[airborne_mp84]

Only if they are BLACK!

:Dlmao!!!!!!!!

[sd8683]

Yes, but i have seen mine run faster than a comparable 04 with gears and boxed control arms. No names:D


I was thinkin the same thing Bob!

[james1986fox]

Sounds like the other car had similar mods.
Do you 2 have the same gears?
Yes both of us have stock gears

[Zack]

what is the overall diameter of his 22" rims with tires
? That could be the reason if they are a smaller diameter than stock

[DTRMiguel]

He was bone stock when I raced him and I had a mail order tune, CAI and pullies.
He may have had a factory freak.

Na no factory freak just an 04' typical for us :P

[Vortex]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/c/c0/Interocitor.jpg/250px-Interocitor.jpg

Of course an Interociter helps too.

[james1986fox]

what is the overall diameter of his 22" rims with tires
? That could be the reason if they are a smaller diameter than stock
his tires are either 255/30/22 or 255/35/22 and he had another person in the car with him, so his car was much heavier

[Blackened300a]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/c/c0/Interocitor.jpg/250px-Interocitor.jpg

Of course an Interociter helps too.

:lol::lol::lol:

Probably only you and I got this. The MST3K version is hysterical.

[Zack]

Did some research.....
not one pm or email mentioned he had 4:10's, so he got a tune for 3:55's.
I think the 4:10 tune will get the problem solved.

[DTRMiguel]

pm or email .

:eek: you actually read those? Wow i thought i was sending them to the wrong Zack:mad2:

[lucenti]

nope nada never

[Egon Spengler]

300A's are the fastest... they de-tuned them to save on the cost of the traction control... they also had so much power that a launch of a 300A was known to snap axles because of the raw power produced! SEE BELOW!
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/25/l_a04790d4efe2407b89c9d23c74eb af4d.jpg

[Blackened300a]

300A's are the fastest... they de-tuned them to save on the cost of the traction control... they also had so much power that a launch of a 300A was known to snap axles because of the raw power produced! SEE BELOW!
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/25/l_a04790d4efe2407b89c9d23c74eb af4d.jpg

:lol:

And that smoke from the tailpipes are just the afterburners igniting before launch ;)

[james1986fox]

Did some research.....
not one pm or email mentioned he had 4:10's, so he got a tune for 3:55's.
I think the 4:10 tune will get the problem solved.
I have stock 3.55s

[DTRMiguel]

James sell your DBP and get another DTR i can tell u miss is by your avatar :rolleyes:

[DOOM]

I never had the DTR to the strip, but SOTP it felt quicker that the DBP bone stock.

Thats because of the higher stall torque converter in the 04's :up:

[james1986fox]

James sell your DBP and get another DTR i can tell u miss is by your avatar :rolleyes:
Trust me I would love to have another 04 dtr, but I think I'm just going to have to save up for a trilogy.

[Vortech347]

I can say this, My 04 definatly runs alot stronger than my 03' did.