Brand new Marauder crate motor

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have a brand new motor still in the crate for 4k this is complete with wiring harness

[BigMerc]

Ummmm do you take payments? xxx down xxx a month no interest until april 2004? rooms to go does it....... just asking

[Donald]

Dennis,

How can a whole new engine be 4k and something that bolts onto it (SC) be 8k?

[Constable]

Wait... what is that I detect??? Sarcasm???

[Dennis Reinhart]

Originally posted by Donald
Dennis,

How can a whole new engine be 4k and something that bolts onto it (SC) be 8k?


Well thats what I want but you can pay more if you like

[sailsmen]

Probably because they make over 10,000 of these engines a year on an assembly line. And ford buys from most if not all of the same suppliers billions $$ worth every year.

It's called "economy of scale".

[#1MarauderFan]

Dennis this is the original motor for 4k? I just messed up my motor last week and my insurance is paying for a new motor at 7k I believe. The problem is that it got approved yesterday and the dealership maybe already ordered it. If I can get it from u cheaper I'll have some x-tra cash. But I need to know if they have ordered it first. I hope they haven't to z maybe how we can arrange something!

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have the motor just call so we can disscuss this

[#1MarauderFan]

I just called the dealer and the motor has been ordered but it takes two weeks to get to them. He also pointed out that the warranty may not be any good if it isn't done thru them. Is that true?

[Donald]

Dennis,

It was a serious question. I am told that the Vortech parts are around 2k. Just trying to understand what we get for the extra 6k.

[SouLRioT]

donald, DR can correct me if i'm wrong, but that price prolly is just the blower itself. In the kit your getting more than just that. He spent a lot of time tuning it and custom made all the extra parts needed. Look for his SC thread for more intel.

[TAF]

Originally posted by Donald
Dennis,

It was a serious question. I am told that the Vortech parts are around 2k. Just trying to understand what we get for the extra 6k.

Donald,

I've always found Dennis quite thorough when I've given him a call. He'll be glad to answer all your questions.

Reinhart Automotive
Ph: 904.276.5003

[sailsmen]

Supercharger Packing List

1 Vortech V-2 Supercharger Polished
Vortech Supercharger bracket with hardware bag and idler pulley
K&N Filter with Maff relocation kit and hardware
4" flex tubing. 36" long
8 Fuel 42 LB Injectors part
Custom Fan shroud with brackets
Aftercooler reservoir w/hardware bag
High Volume Heat exchanger with powder coated Bracket
Custom after cooler with fittings
High Volume water Electric Booster Pump with hardware and remote LED
New coolant reservoir (w/o cap)
Modified coolant crossover pipe (core charge if not returned)
1/8" powdercoated steel ‘A’ bracket approx. 31" long
3" black plastic elbow w/3/4" barbed nipple
3" black plastic elbow w/ 90deg. 5/8" barbed fitting
Custom silver bracket with 3 ½" hole
Ported vacuum valve Bosch by pass valve
¾" 90 degree barbed elbow (plastic)
8" powdercoated air pipe w/2 welded female fittings welded in.
16" powdercoated air pipe w/1 ¾" female fitting welded in
Coolant hose w/2 90 deg. Bends # 593 12 ½" long.
5/8" coolant hose w/ 90 deg. Bend # 4106 36" long
1" coolant hose 12" long.
10" clear tubing with female brass fitting on end. (Heat exch.to pump)
112" of 5/8" coolant hose.
62" coolant hose w/ 90 deg bend
48" coolant hose w/ 90 deg. Bend
Custom coolant hose ‘Y’ junction block w/ metal sleeve and J shape return hose.
Various sized Hose clamps.
Custom Mass Air flow Sensor wiring Harness with Intake air Temperature sensor and Harness.
Two Vacuum T fittings with 4" vacuum hose
High Volume Twin Cobra Fuel pump assembly (core charge if not returned)

The best tuning availble in the United States our tuning is dyno proven every day, Single Delta Chip is included or EEC Flash

Technical support customer service, six days a week.

I beleive you are talking about the S/C only and not the aftercooler or intercooler + associated parts. Kinda like the difference between a short block and long block assembly.

[Zack]

I can justify 2 grand of what I spent every time I call Dennis, day or night, Saturday or Sunday, 24 hours a day. Its hard to find tech support and make a friend at the same time these days.

[sailsmen]

To answer your question if you compare the kit to similar kits for the 4V Mustang that are polished, have the cobra fuel pumps and the aftercooler system you are looking at close to the same price.

Keep in mind there are 100's of thousands of mustangs and only 15K MM.

Generally speaking just based on the volume resulting in econmmies of scale proprietary performance parts for mustangs are usually going to cost less than they do for the MM.

[Marauder57]

Actually for what it is worth...if you look at the MAFF magazine it is loaded with Vortech SC kits....just the SC do it yourself and they are closer to $4k with out all the coolers and such....plus tuning and all the other goodies.....

[BigMerc]

Well one more thing enters into it also. Dennis has devoted loads of time and energy for a line of vehicles that is admittedly limited. he has a limited growth potential, after this year, no more Marauders.

Even if he added another $500-750 or even a grand, on top of what it is right now I would get it. We don't have suppliers lining up for parts for our cars and he has done wonders for the Marauder, so I will ONLY patronize his line of goodies, he deserves some loyalty and recognition for his past and future efforts. And if someone comes out with something else I'll get it through Dennis that way he makes what he can, it just makes sense for us to reward the guy that has done us a great favor.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Originally posted by Donald
Dennis,

It was a serious question. I am told that the Vortech parts are around 2k. Just trying to understand what we get for the extra 6k.

Donald, have you asked the other vendors what they have in there Supercharger kits and there profit margin/markup, but to answer your question, you are absolutely wrong, you cant buy the compressor or bracket kit for 2K, who have you been talking to, there totally misinformed, call Vortech ask for John Snee 805.247.0226 between 8:00 AM and 4:30 PM (PST and ask him for the retail price of a 01 Cobra Kit with after coolerand its over 5K, I spent over six months custom designing this kit . For example the Cobra kit does not include a custom dual Cobra Mustang fuel pump it does not include a polished S Trim V2 compresor or a huge heat exchanger, or custom fabricated discharge and inlet piping all powder coated, or a set of 42 pound injectors, it does not come with a custom wiring harness or Maf relocation kit, it does not include tuning or the 18 or so custom parts I have included in my kit, with most after cooler kits you have to remove the battery and relocate it to the trunk, again I have priced every thing for the Marauder I sell on this site very conservatively, if you go look at some other Marauder parts vendors and compare there prices to mine, there is no comparison, for you to even suggest I have marked the kit up 6k is insulting and unfair, so if you can find the kit for 2,000 go buy it.

[Zack]

Well I certainly agree with everything Dennis said. When you have the kit delivered to your door it is just a pile of parts. When you are actually putting them on and have them in your hands, every penny of the cost justifies itself. If and when anyone here installs this kit themselves, everyone will appreciate not having to use a grinder, hacksaw, shoehorn etc. to install everything. It is all bolt in. And compare this kit to others. Trilogy is 6 grand plus tax and shipping plus install which is 1500. Kenny Brown starts at 16000. This is a bolt on, turn key kit that anyone can install with no guesswork. I did my install with NO directions, then drove 2 1/2 hours to get a dyno tune without even test driving it first. And just so everyone knows, I wrote the instructions for the kit and I can be reached for tech advice at any hour of the day like Dennis. So as far as pricing, look at the big picture. Afterall, this car is not the 69 Camaro where people are still modifying stockers 34 years later. There are a lot of bench racers here who get caught up in the talk of racing but never intend on modifying the car. This is OK! Many Marauders will be wrecked in the next few years. All the others have been upgraded by Dennis Reinhart in some way shape or form.
I am satisfied.

[Zack]

Another thing, I have two cars coming to my Garage this month for the S/C treatments. I think the S/C sale is still on for a few more days.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have two brand new 04's and one 03. In my Parking lot, One of the 04's gets the the 03 Cobra Motor up grade I am very excited about this, this car will be awsome I am expecting 550 RWHP I will post pictures all along the way, the first thing all my cars get is the transmission upgrade, then I start from there. I will be using Vortechs new JT Trim

[Donald]

Dennis,

Don't be insulted. Would you spend 8k not knowing what you got? Until the parts list got posted by sailsman I had no idea what one got for 8k. You have been offering this kit for months and never published a parts list. And never published a price until 10/13.

I know everyone says to just call for a price. But at 8k, the phone call is a waste of my and your time.

I prefer to see prices here where I can decide what I want to do without bothering anyone.

[JET]

You have been offering this kit for months and never published a parts list. And never published.

Donald,
Dennis did post the parts list. Look under the Reinhart forums. I don't now how long you've been in this site but there is no one in the world that has done more research for us, the Marauder owners, than Dennis Reinhart. Ford may have created and sold it but Dennis is the one who led all of us to improve the car. The way he chooses to do business is his right. However if you continue to criticize him expect plenty of us to come out and defend him.

[TAF]

Originally posted by Donald
the phone call is a waste of my and your time.


You mean...like I just did....reading what this thread has evolved into?

[TripleTransAm]

Easy folks, remember that whole internet interpretation thing... the way I read Donald's reply, now that he knows a price he won't bother to call Dennis only to waste his time inquiring about something he can't afford. I can understand this point of view... I understand Dennis is a busy man and doesn't need tire kickers to slow him down. Knowing the kit price, I know *I* can't afford it, and won't bother calling Dennis about it until I am in the ballpark.

At least, this is how I interpreted the posts... Maybe I misread.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well, if I read this right, Donald can't afford the price so he then posts that somehow he has figured that the parts can be bought for 2k, so I must be making a 6k profit, so the question is if he could not afford the kit in the first place why did he waist his time for the post. Which was insinuating that I am price gouging or unethical, now all parties have had there say here lets let this go, I dont want the thread locked.

Donald if you are to busy pick the phone up, please do me a favor and push your self back from the keyboard till you have all your facts confirmed before posting a misleading and unsubstantiated statement, I am not angry, you can call me any time, why not do as hundreds of customers have done here, go with a stage 2 and save for the S/C kit.

[Marauder57]

Originally posted by Donald
Dennis,

Don't be insulted. Would you spend 8k not knowing what you got? Until the parts list got posted by sailsman I had no idea what one got for 8k. You have been offering this kit for months and never published a parts list. And never published a price until 10/13.

I know everyone says to just call for a price. But at 8k, the phone call is a waste of my and your time.

I prefer to see prices here where I can decide what I want to do without bothering anyone.

The parts list was posted on 8/22/03 you can view the thread here SC Parts List (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4450)

The price was originally posted with the list but was then taken off because at that time no other vendors were posting prices.

There was a post of the price for the sale posted back on 9/23/03. You can view the posted price for the sale and install here:

Pricing on SC (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5093)

If you follow the links and do research on this forum you can find just about anything you need....or as Dennis says give him a call. Dennis does not sell something with every phone call. He gives out a ton of info everyday and enjoys talking Marauders....I mean the guys parking lot regularly has more Marauders than most dealerships.... :D