who has the baddest?

[bbockstanz]

I am curious to see who out there has the baddest, most powerful marauder on the pavement.

[Marauderman]

oooohhhh I think there is gonna be a moment of silence before this gets addressed .........seems someone wants to know alot to quick to me!! and I did say quick --wow--- comes from riding a rauder----Ha!Ha!

[Logan]

Damn... I'm stayin' outta this one. A friendly reminder to folks to be all civil and stuff. :)

[SergntMac]

Beats the s**t outta me, pal, I don't think any of us have gone head to head yet, and frankly, I don't care to.

One way to spoil good friendship is to compete against each other, and it seems that everytime we collect as a group, racing each other never comes up.

I like to think its us Marauders against the world, and we have a car here for every street class there is. Name your bracket, we got it covered, 12 seconds and up, bring it on.

[Bigdogjim]

Well put Mac: Lets stick to Chocolate :)

[MERCMAN]

It is of no consequence who has the "baddest" MM. After the mini-roundup at Columbus, I have come to the conclusion that each one is the baddest. Whether stock, modded to the max, S/C, whatever, the whole concept of bad is not in the eye of the owners of the MM, but to everyone else. For it is written, those that have it know it, and we all know that everyone who sees this gleaming hunk of R/W drive power is more than just a little envious. As Mac said, its us against "them. LONG LIVE THE MM

[TripleTransAm]

I think I have a fairly "bad" MM. Every so often, when I get kind of lazy and complacent and drop my guard, she sneaks in a dirty sucker punch and catches me off guard. Sometimes will even resort to a good swift blow to the groin, usually moments after I finish extolling her virtues and how much she means to me.

But I'm P-whipped... as soon as she's over her temperamental outburst, I'm all over her like flies on *****... and all is forgiven.

[Mikeenh]

^^^ Yay Steve ^^^:D

[Bigdogjim]

If we are racing for Chocolate-Marty

15 yr. Courvoisier -Cruztaker

Chicken- Mac

Food---Big Dog


:lol: :lol:

[CRUZTAKER]

I don't race for beer!!!! I might work for it....but not race for it.
If we're racing, it's gotta be 15 yr. Courvoisier or better. Macallans maybe...

See, and you thought you knew me afterall. :P

[Petrograde]

Originally posted by CRUZTAKER
I don't race for beer!!!! I might work for it....but not race for it.
If we're racing, it's gotta be 15 yr. Courvoisier or better. McClellens maybe...



How 'bout some Johnny Walker Black Label? mmmm! yum!

Tom


PS- Hey Barry,.. the spellchecker doesn't like your screen name! here are some of the alternatives it gave me:
-Caretaker
-Crustier :lol:
-Crusader :up:
-Grubstaker :down:

[CRUZTAKER]

ok PEETRO! Let's not go there:shot:


And BTW, I used to black market Johnny Walker Black whilst stationed in rice country, mamason used to pay well for that. Not my taste in Scotch...I'm a Dewar's fan.

[Haggis]

I perfer single malt scotch, 12yr Glenfiddich or 18yr MACALLAN's or even better yet a nice heaping plate of haggis.:D :up: :up: :up: it is like Mac said it is us against the world. Long live "The Marauder Family". Remember beauty or badness is in the eye of the beholder to each his/her own as long as you are happy with your car who cares what the other person thinks. Ok :coolman:

[merc]

I feel real teary eyed. Some pass me a drink:bigcry: ..........of water:beer:

[Haggis]

Merc:

You don't want that s**t it will kill you. You need something with a little spirit!

[merc]

I know who the badest is !!!!

Drum roll please....

[CRUZTAKER]

crickets.......

[merc]

Michael Jackson is the answer or is it the question. Either way he is Bad. I know, bad joke, but I was getting ready for the Rock-in-Roll Marauder meet in Cleveland.

[Directedby]

Baddest = Sable

[Ross]

Is it possible that we now have another kilt wearing member of the board? If you eat haggis, you must have been born in a kilt?

[John F. Russo]

Thank to our junior member Bbockstanz for this great idea.

We all bought a muscle car and we're here to get the most performance we can get from it.

We're in virgin territory with a new car and I would like to know who has the best mods so that I can copy them.

Reverse engineering is practiced by the best companies in the world. In fact, if each company ignored a competitor, it is a sure sign you'll have an inferior product, or in our case a slower car.

I am interested in getting more performance from my car and I would like to survey North America, including Canada (even though they didn't support us in the Afganistan and Iragi war).
So let's get the truth out with stats (corroborated at a race track or other neutral party) of 0 to 60 mph and quarter mile runs.

I want to hear from endusers or suppliers of mods and cars to tell us what their best times are. I would like Logan to start a spread sheet (like the one with thlike to get a spread sheet going so that I can see who I should follow.

This is no different than the listing another member had on this web site showing all of the published stats on all kinds of cars. This would stimulate a significant rivalry that is beneficial to all members who are interested in getting more performance.

We talk about performance all of the time on this website and I want to separate fact from fiction. The list could be at the top of the website like our current MM. net marauder member listing.

P.S.
Logan, can you make the space for replies a little longer than what you have now?

______________________________ _____________
2003 Blue 300B (Canadian) (reversed traction control, mini spare, trunked
6 disc CD changer,clock-in-the-radio, heated front seats, hood light)
-Born 12/10/02
-12,000 miles
-18 mpg at a steady speed of 80 mph
-Stock transmission (upgraded with Performance Automatic
clutches and band after stock tranny failed in 8,800 miles)
-Wheel locks (Ford)
-Badgeless front grille by “Zack”
Kenny Brown: 6th “signature series” conversion (450 hp) Born 3/28/03
-Dead pedal
-Baer front brakes 14 in. two piston, vented rotors
-MMX Driveshaft
-4.10 gears
-Vortech supercharger (7 to 8 psig boost)
-Pirelli P-Zero Asymmetric (front 255/45ZR18 99Y;rear 255/50ZR18 102Y)
-FordChip
-One coil of each front stock spring removed to produce the “same” effect
as an Eibach spring
-Ground clearance: 5 in.
______________________________ ______________________
1961 Ford Galaxie, 2 dr. Club Victoria, 390CID, 375hp, 4 barrel

[John F. Russo]

I didn't think my long reply would get on in one piece.

Logan must be anticipating my every thought.

[bbockstanz]

I guess what I really should have asked is who do you think is making the most power and is the quickest.

[TAF]

ALL of us...

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
including Canada (even though they didn't support us in the Afganistan and Iragi war).

Haven't been reading the news much in the past couple of years, John?

I think it's a good idea to assemble a list of mods and their improvements. However, it can't be taken as a definitive breakdown of each mod's improvement, as some (many) of the improvements work on each other and might not provide the same improvement on their own.

Another problem is that performance varies depending on track conditions, weather, driver... We've got bone stock Marauders all over the place from high 14s to low 16s.

I don't know if rivalry is a good word to use, though... we've seen what happens when what should be friendly rivalry turns into a p*i*s*s*ing match.

But, yeah, it would be a great idea to keep a list of good mods and what they might offer.

[Bobby Clobber]

Steve,

Thanks for speaking out, it's too bad some people have to use this forum for their misinformed political views, and brand a whole country on the decisions of a few.

[SergntMac]

I'm sorry, John Russo and others, I still disagree with the suggestion of compiling such data here, a "pecking order" would result very quickly and that's where trouble starts. Use your sigs to state your mods, ask and answer the Q&A as it flows, that's worked just fine in the past.

Build your car the way you want, and make informed decisions on your selections from vendors, hopefully with advice from friends here. This isn't rocket science, it's back to basics engine building and tuning, with a dose of common sense.

I reject the need to post time slips and dyno reports of members, I tell the truth about my MM and I presume others to be truthful as well. To ignore, or, disbelieve any post or point of view because it lacks documentation only nurtures member "issues." This spoils the good nature balance we are trying to maintain on this board.

Let the vendors dance to the proof tune, if they want to earn our coin, they will dance legit. We've all seen what happens when the vendor isn't stand up, and that'e the way it should be. We should be testing the vendors, not each other.

As usual, IMHO...just my .02c

[TripleTransAm]

Not speaking out, really... coming back from Sweden in September, I was sitting beside one of our officers (heading back home to Petiwawa (sp?) due to his mother's passing) and managed to get a good account of what's really happening down there in Kabul and environs. Contrary to popular opinion (even within our own country), our armed forces exist and are active in these combat arenae.

As for Iraq, well, the US had its own opinion of the european conflict even though we were at war until 1941, and we haven't held that against them.

But this ain't the place to discuss this, see y'all in the lounge if you're interested but in the meantime, back to cars.

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by SergntMac
We've all seen what happens when the vendor isn't stand up, and that'e the way it should be. We should be testing the vendors, not each other.


LOL!

This quote means so much in so many different ways...

:up:

[NickLee]

Well said mercman

[Paul T. Casey]

Although I agree with TAF's response, I have opinions in three catagories which I will keep to myself. If you ask a Blue Honda in southern N.H. with license plate "IMFASTER", he'll probably say me. I'm not usually prone to such displays on public roads, with passangers, but he gave my wife a look, and she said go. I love this car!!!

[John F. Russo]

SergntMac
I noticed that you have 399 RWTQ. WE supposedly have the same car, but I only have 377 RWTQ. I guess my car came off the assembly line at the wrong time.

Bobby Clobber
I was only getting in some humor in our discussion. It just like adding a little spice to one's food.

By the way you didn't declare whether you were with us or against us on this issue. P.S. This answer does not affect your membership.

I appreciate the coments from everyone.

Remember we all have to continue be light hearted in our discussions as I have noticed in the many of the threads that I have read.

Further commentary
I agree that there are many conditions that can account for the final stat. But it is fun to see the data on the best stat's even though we know the driver can be a significant factor.

I don't care who can beat me. I don't take things like that personally. And no one should either. But I like to know what cars are doing the best and why. It is the only way I can find out who I can follow for the changes that I want to make to enhance my MM performance.

I haven't raced my car yet except once when the track was wet and only for a 1/8 of a mile. But my car is the same as the car that Kenny Brown has had an article written about. It's performance is posted on this web site. And every one can see that my Kenny Brown can do (I probably could not attain those stats without racing experience and luck unless Martyo drives my car). VT engines has done the same.

Some may have purchased their MM for looks. That is why I did so. But in addition it was the biggest car that I could buy with such performance.

At this time there are stats being presented on this web site routinely. I'm just saying why not present them in a spread sheet format. Those that don't want to participate don't have to.

Where is Logan on this?

[RCSignals]

ALL of our cars are fast. As TAF said

Just ask my Chevy loving friend who I took for a ride.
His eyes still look like this :eek: and when we stopped he fell out and did this to the car :bows:

[Ross]

John F. Russo said:

I don't care who can beat me. I don't take things like that personally. And no one should either. But I like to know what cars are doing the best and why. It is the only way I can find out who I can follow for the changes that I want to make to enhance my MM performance.




My sentiments exactly!

[SouLRioT]

Not to stir the pot too much, but as a suggestion to Logan: The FAQ could be updated with a compleat listing of Mods and possible HP gains and/or other pros/cons. This would help new comers to see what to expect and their different options. I know, I know, This would be very time consuming, but would help. The harddest part would be getting members to look at the FAQs.

[TAF]

I think the problem here would be...different cars get different results to some of the mods. And, if someone only got X RWHP from a mod, but it's posted that you'll get Y RWHP from a mod...see where I'm going.

There is PLENTY of info/dyno-sheets/posts on this site showing RWHP & RWTQ gain from various mods that were experianced from lots of folks. Your experiance may differ (+ or -, BTW)

Also...I'll have some updated info shortly on some things I'm doing...stay tuned.

cha-ching = 2 cents

[Marauderman]

After reading thru 4 pages , I consider Sarge's commentary below to best sum up the boards opinion--gets my 100% vote anyway----after all --as mentioned--if your into OUR board--you know these comments are exactely what we are about.. and like us all here--my .02 worth.. thanks Sarge--!!



Originally posted by SergntMac
I'm sorry, John Russo and others, I still disagree with the suggestion of compiling such data here, a "pecking order" would result very quickly and that's where trouble starts. Use your sigs to state your mods, ask and answer the Q&A as it flows, that's worked just fine in the past.

Build your car the way you want, and make informed decisions on your selections from vendors, hopefully with advice from friends here. This isn't rocket science, it's back to basics engine building and tuning, with a dose of common sense.

I reject the need to post time slips and dyno reports of members, I tell the truth about my MM and I presume others to be truthful as well. To ignore, or, disbelieve any post or point of view because it lacks documentation only nurtures member "issues." This spoils the good nature balance we are trying to maintain on this board.

Let the vendors dance to the proof tune, if they want to earn our coin, they will dance legit. We've all seen what happens when the vendor isn't stand up, and that'e the way it should be. We should be testing the vendors, not each other.

As usual, IMHO...just my .02c

[SouLRioT]

Originally posted by TAF
I think the problem here would be...different cars get different results to some of the mods. And, if someone only got X RWHP from a mod, but it's posted that you'll get Y RWHP from a mod...see where I'm going.


I hear you, how about just the list w/o HP, DR would make this hard to keep current though since he makes something new almost every week.

FYI, this would not be for me, but for the NooBs, and that we could direct them to it.

[Bigdogjim]

I must say sitting here with a year old STOCK Marauder these post are getting better and better...

I really enjoy reading the replies.

All: Keep up the good work.........:)

[Smokie]

The Sarge's assestment is wise and to the point.....and besides don't we all agree that my Marauder is the baddest of all !!!! :banana2: :bounce: :banana:

[yorks]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
I am interested in getting more performance from my car and I would like to survey North America, including Canada (even though they didn't support us in the Afganistan and Iragi war).
1. Learn to spell Afghanistan and Iraq.
2. Learn to use these words in the correct context. For example...when talking about something or someone associated with Afghanistan, we usually refer to them/it as "Afghan". Similarly, the word "Iraqi" can be used.
3. Logan didn't commit to a spell checker so people wouldn't use it.
4. If you're on a rant, slow down so that the keyboard can catch up with you.
5. Knock Canada again. I have a fast car and nothing to do on the weekend.

[yorks]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
I want to hear from endusers or suppliers of mods and cars to tell us what their best times are. I would like Logan to start a spread sheet (like the one with thlike to get a spread sheet going so that I can see who I should follow.
Logan, can you make the space for replies a little longer than what you have now.
Anything else Logan can do for you in his spare time?

[yorks]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
______________________________ _____________
2003 Blue 300B (Canadian) (reversed traction control, mini spare, trunked
I didn't think we had any blue 300Bs up here 'cos the dealers couldn't sell the black 300As. What the heck is "reversed traction control"?

[Petrograde]

:lol: Yorks .... good rant!


Anyway, .... To bring up any of that in this form isn't appropriate. Even though I (along with many others on this board)can speak from "been there done that" point of view, I'm not going to. not here. This forum is about the Marauder! If you want to get political, join a news group or a forum dedicated to that.

Tom

edited for clarity

[yorks]

Originally posted by Petrograde
If you want to get polictical, join a news group or a forum dedicated to that.
I wasn't. I was demonstrating the correct use of the English language. Thank you for your concern.

[Petrograde]

no,no, Yorks! I wasn't referring to you. I enjoyed your rant! :up:

Tom

PS- I noticed to 'reversed traction control' too. :confused:


edited for PS

[yorks]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
This answer does not affect your membership.

I appreciate the coments from everyone.


Where is Logan on this?
Sorry about re-posting this for no apparent reason. I just wanted to see it in print again because I didn't believe it the first time!

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by yorks
I didn't think we had any blue 300Bs up here 'cos the dealers couldn't sell the black 300As. What the heck is "reversed traction control"?


I test drove a blue 300B before buying my current black unit. Yes, they are definitely available up here in Canada.

[RCSignals]

But aren't hey Blue 300As in Canada?

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
SergntMac...I noticed that you have 399 RWTQ. WE supposedly have the same car, but I only have 377 RWTQ. I guess my car came off the assembly line at the wrong time.

I haven't raced my car yet except once when the track was wet and only for a 1/8 of a mile. But my car is the same as the car that Kenny Brown has had an article written about.


Well, yes and no, John. My Kenny Brown is the 1X, the experiment, the prototype. This is the car that is in AutoWeek, Car and Driver, and appeared on the SpeedChannel. I believe there is a KB #1 production car somewhere, and the 25 or so KB MM-S that are out on the street today don't have everything I have (and vice versa) due to Kenny's decisions about the production car.

I believe you are using a S/C pulley that produces 8 pounds of boost. I am using a pulley producing 10 pounds of boost. Moreover, none of the production KB MM-S have any updated exhaust systems, it's all OEM stuff, other than a turbo muffler option available at purchase.

During development over a year ago, there was nothing exhaust system related available to Kenny that was satisfactory to him for the costs involved. That's different today, there are four or five options now.

Down in Ennis TX, Dennis handed me an exhaust system for my MM and asked me to test it out. I did. I installed and tested Reinhart's recently developed Cobra exhaust system, which adds what has been missing from the KB package (and all MMs everywhere) since conception. Polished and ported '03 Cobra exhaust manifolds, 2.5" OD exhaust pipes, high flow cats and Xpipe, into the OEM mufflers, tail pipe and tips, and it all a "volt-on" to boot. Highly compatabile with the OEM exhaust design.

This Reinhart Cobra system develops 28 RWHP and 18 RWTQ, and has the appearence of the OEM exhaust system, a real sleeper setup for any warrantee concerned owner. It's been inspected and tested by Kenny Brown, and he is very pleased with this advancement in exhaust. Give David Frey, or Dennis Reinhart a call for details?

BTW, John, this is the kind of informative 411 we trade here, and I don't see how any spreadsheet could contain all this 411 without losing detail and causing a hundred more questions from newbies.


Originally posted by John F. Russo
Bobby Clobber...I was only getting in some humor in our discussion. It just like adding a little spice to one's food. Remember we all have to continue be light hearted in our discussions as I have noticed in the many of the threads that I have read.

Do what you want to do here, John, but I've tried subtle humor a dozen times now, and it doesn't work well in this one-dimensional medium. I have insulted and embarassed many a fellow member with a stab at humor that turned out to be a stab in their heart. Better off to avoid it until you develope a more personal relationship with that particular member, or, be ready to stand up and apologize.

Moreover, I have heard from others here "I was only joking" and I accepted that. However, the pain of embarassment still stung pretty deep, and "the horse was out of the barn," get me? I have it from personal experience that crossing international borders at the same time only magnifies the complications.

Y'all watch out for this humor pot hole, jokes via this site can be spikes to the soul. Be clear about your meaning, and we'll all break a smile. Be obscure, and you'll hear about it, for sure.

Just my .50c, anyone got change for a dollar?

[Haggis]

Once again Mac BRAVO!!:up: Huh no change. Some pocket lint though. Wife keeps most of the money, gives me an allowance.


Ross: No kilt here. What I have is a Brecan-feile.
:up: :up:

[MM03MOK]

Originally posted by Haggis
Ross: No kilt here. What I have is a Brecan-feile.
:up: :up: A Feileadh-mhor?? ;)

[MAD-3R]

Originally posted by Haggis
gives me an allowance.

YOU Get an allowance? wow...

[Bobby Clobber]

Good comments everyone,Yorks, Mac, et al . I agree , this isn't the place for that stuff, but no one likes a flame job, not even in the cold of Nova Scotia.

[CRUZTAKER]

I'm still thirsty.....nice reading though. :)

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by RCSignals
But aren't hey Blue 300As in Canada?

DOH. Caught in the semantics... yeah, they're all 300A, listed as job 1 and job 2. I should have said I drove a blue 300A job 2 (small spare, TC, decontented, etc...)

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by SergntMac
BTW, John, this is the kind of informative 411 we trade here, and I don't see how any spreadsheet could contain all this 411 without losing detail and causing a hundred more questions from newbies.


Fantastically put, Sarge. This is good enough to put the nail in the coffin, in my opinion. With a car like this one, in this stage of its early life, best to sit back and soak in the various approaches and do some research before plotting a course.

[TAF]

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
Fantastically put, Sarge. This is good enough to put the nail in the coffin, in my opinion. With a car like this one, in this stage of its early life, best to sit back and soak in the various approaches and do some research before plotting a course.

Heck, I and a lot of others here are "full steam ahead" and sharing all the info, anyway.

BTW...you guys are welcome...

The guys at Team Ford have dubbed my car the "test-mule" for ATL

[yorks]

Originally posted by Ergonomic
Moreover, I have heard from others here "I was only joking" and I accepted that. However, the pain of embarassment still stung pretty deep, and "the horse was out of the barn," get me? I have it from personal experience that crossing international borders at the same time only magnifies the complications.

Y'all watch out for this humor pot hole, jokes via this site can be spikes to the soul. Be clear about your meaning, and we'll all break a smile. Be obscure, and you'll hear about it, for sure.
Thanks, Sarge. Nobody puts it as succinctly as you. I went with the head on approach.

[prchrman]

Who's the baddest?...I just love it...I bought my car because it is big and relatively fast...if I just wanted a fast car being a life long Ford fan I would have got a Cobra Mustang...they be bad...have not modded my MM because quite frankly I prefer not to blow my warranty...but if I had the funds and had SCed, chipped, geared or souped up my MM in any way to make it faster you could bet your bottom dollar I would put it to the test against any of you guys to find out if it was faster...there I said it...if I was going to spend funds for speed I would want to see what it would do against any one who care give it a go on the strip...not the public highway tho...and if I won I would strut around like a peacock...around my neck of the woods (and I mean woods) we only spend bucks for speed to rub each others noses in it...if someone can not take it...get more go fast goodies...no way I would spend big bucks for speed and just look at it...surely as old as most of us are on this site we could take a little humble pie...flame on I can take it...cause I have lost plenty of races and did not have bad feelings toward the victor...willie...now who's the baddest...
edit edit edit....

[Agent M79]

Originally posted by prchrman
...cause I have lost plenty of races and did have bad feelings toward the victor...willie...now who's the baddest...

I think he meant "...did NOT have bad feelings towards the victor..."

Right?

[merc406]

Hmmmmm, maybe.......maybe not.............

[jgc61sr2002]

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
DOH. Caught in the semantics... yeah, they're all 300A, listed as job 1 and job 2. I should have said I drove a blue 300A job 2 (small spare, TC, decontented, etc...) Steve - I was under the impression that all Canadian Marauders had traction control and the mini spare.

[prchrman]

you are right Agent...no hard feelings...to be mad at someone because they are faster is just shallow IMHO...someone is always faster...somewhere...

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by prchrman
Who's the baddest?...I just love it...I bought my car because it is big and relatively fast...if I just wanted a fast car being a life long Ford fan I would have got a Cobra Mustang...they be bad...have not modded my MM because quite frankly I prefer not to blow my warranty...but if I had the funds and had SCed, chipped, geared or souped up my MM in any way to make it faster you could bet your bottom dollar I would put it to the test against any of you guys to find out if it was faster...there I said it...if I was going to spend funds for speed I would want to see what it would do against any one who care give it a go on the strip...not the public highway tho...and if I won I would strut around like a peacock...around my neck of the woods (and I mean woods) we only spend bucks for speed to rub each others noses in it...if someone can not take it...get more go fast goodies...no way I would spend big bucks for speed and just look at it...surely as old as most of us are on this site we could take a little humble pie...flame on I can take it...cause I have lost plenty of races and did not have bad feelings toward the victor...willie...now who's the baddest...edit edit edit....

I hear ya Willie...I hear ya...LOL.

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by jgc61sr2002
Steve - I was under the impression that all Canadian Marauders had traction control and the mini spare.


Not sure anymore... I'd have to go back and re-read all my early posts. It's been too long, too much has happened, I've lost track of it all! LOL!

But I am sure there were 2 builds available in Canada, both listed as 300A. One decontented and one not.

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by MM03MOK
A Feileadh-mhor?? ;)

Bah, too much work.

I have a kilt. It's box pleated, and has no "fringe"
Now who's "Bad" :cool:

[SergntMac]

In keeping with the spirit of THIS thread, how many pleats ya got RC? Put up or shut up, eh?

[John F. Russo]

Petrograde said, “PS- I noticed to 'reversed traction control' too."
above in this thread.

My Response
Since I am the only one who has posted this comment in my car description below, I presume that he was referring to my car.

What I mean by 'reversed traction control' is the following: When I press my traction control button on my dash, the traction control goes "on". When you press the button in your car, it goes "off". This was done by my local dealer.

This was discussed in the thread entitled, “BFG g-Force T/A Drag Radial". You can search for it by going back to our Home page search box.

______________________________ _____________
2003 Blue 300B (Canadian) (reversed traction control, mini spare, trunked 6 disc CD changer,clock-in-the-radio, heated front seats, hood light)
-Born 12/10/02
-12,000 miles
-18 mpg at a steady speed of 80 mph
-Stock transmission (upgraded with Performance Automatic
clutches and band after stock tranny failed in 8,800 miles)
-Wheel locks (Ford)
-Badgeless front grille by “Zack”
Kenny Brown: 6th “signature series” conversion (450 hp) Born 3/28/03
-Dead pedal
-Baer front brakes 14 in. two piston, vented rotors
-MMX Driveshaft
-4.10 gears
-Vortech supercharger (7 to 8 psig boost)
-Pirelli P-Zero Asymmetric (front 255/45ZR18 99Y;rear 255/50ZR18 102Y)
-FordChip
-One coil of each front stock spring removed to produce the “same” effect
as an Eibach spring
-Ground clearance: 5 in.
______________________________ __________________
1961 Ford Galaxie, 2 dr. Club Victoria, 390CID, 375hp, 4 barrel

[Petrograde]

oooooohhhh,.... ok,... thanks for clarifying John.

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by SergntMac
In keeping with the spirit of THIS thread, how many pleats ya got RC? Put up or shut up, eh?

you mean I have to count them?

OK OK here you go 38 peats.

It's 18 oz box pleated to stripe.

How about yours?

[John F. Russo]

Thanks to the Canadians (yorks, Bobby Clobber and TripleTransAm) for helping the webmaster achieve his greatest delight—high volume traffic. Of course, all of the discussions, controversies, repartee, humor, grammar and writing lessons, debating skills etc must be done in a civil manner, a requirement by Logan. I acknowledge this importance. In fact, civilty is my hallmark. So let the good times roll and make this thread one of the biggest drawing cards on the website. As of 6:42 PM EST of 6/27/03, we have the second highest views and replies on the website. We’re here to discuss our muscle car as the number one priority. This is my greatest interest. But can’t we can still have fun while we talk about our cars?

My “Stats” Spreadsheet Idea (discussed in an earlier posting)
Let me expand on my idea. The spreadsheet could start as a simple document. For example,

Headings
Owner Marauder (1)¼ mile Performance Mods
(optional) Yr. time @ mph Y or N

5th heading etc.
supercharger
brand/model./ boost

Extension of the above “Stats”section
My idea can be used for exhaust systems etc. There are many “gems” of information on the website, but it is difficult to access. And the more time that goes by, the more difficult it gets. This is how it can work. You set up a section on say tires (brands, model, sizes). You can add the critical new information (date and source) for the latest tire information as presented by a member. This new tread becomes a chronological source of information for everyone to see. Only the key information is listed. One cannot get this information without going through an extensive number of threads.


Debate with Canadians (yorks, Bobby Clobber and
TripleTransAm
I appreciate the SergntMac’s comments about how humor has its risks. He has experienced negative consequences. So this is my first time at it.

The debate all started because I said (10/23/03), “I am interested in getting more performance from my car and I would like to survey North America, including Canada (even though they didn't support us in the Afganistan and Iragi war).”

yorks (10/23/03)
Said to me,
”1. Learn to spell Afghanistan and Iraq.
2. Learn to use these words in the correct context. For example...when talking about something or someone associated with Afghanistan, we usually refer to them/it as "Afghan". Similarly, the word "Iraqi" can be used.
3. Logan didn't commit to a spell checker so people wouldn't use
it.
4. If you're on a rant, slow down so that the keyboard can catch
up with you.
5. Knock Canada again. I have a fast car and nothing to do on a weekend.”

First, I’m glad you have a “fast car and nothing to do on the weekend”. You read my mind about coming to see me. So why don’t you come down with Bobby Clobber and TripleTransAm and we’ll start our first aquaintance with a barbecue. Meeting people first hand helps everyone to understand each other better. I can even invite the rest of the New England MM’s, if there aren’t too many of them. I’d prefer to do this next spring or during next summer (I have a 44 ft. x 16 ft. pool). Then we’ll go to the local dragstrip in Epping, NH and have a race to see who is the fastest. We haven’t had an event in this part of the country yet. So this could part of it.

Second, I thank you for pointing out the spelling error and lack of editing. I’ll try not to slip into fast writing that leads to errors as that I have seen so many others do on this website. As you correctly posted below what I had said

“Originally posted by John F. Russo
I want to hear from endusers or suppliers of mods and cars to tell us what their best times are. I would like Logan to start a spread sheet (like the one with thlike to get a spread sheet going so that I can see who I should follow.”

The meaning from our words is usually clear but our grammar needs improvement. If we all write with fewer grammatical errors, the quality of everyone else’s written expression will improve!

When you say, “I’m on a rant”, the word is not used properly. The word rant, a noun, is defined as, “ bombastic extravagant speech” (Merriam Webster’s collegiate dictionary, 10th edition). Hardly anyone would say that my simple statement is a “rant”. I don’t see the point of trying to mischaracterize my statement. Was this an attempt to ratchet up the emotional tone of the discussion to deflect the issue?

Last, you used all kinds of statements to try to misdirect the debate from my simple factual statement about Canada’s position on the Afghani and Iraqi war. It is obvious that you do not want to answer that question. That’s fine. But you could have said nothing or made a statement that you prefer not to discuss it and the discussion on this subject would have ended. But you preferred to deflect our audience’s attention to my grammar, and unrelated issues about my writing that had absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. In any debate, let’s stick to the key subject at hand and not obfuscate. As a former British subject I would have thought you would follow Prime Minister’s Blair’s lead.

Bobby Clobber 10/23/03
Said to me,
“Thanks for speaking out, it's too bad some people have to use this forum for their misinformed political views, and brand a whole country on the decisions of a few.

My response
If I’m misinformed, please present your facts. If I’m wrong, I’ll be glad to issue a public apology.
You still have not said that you supported the USA effort.

TripleTransAm (10/23/03)
Said to me,
“Haven't been reading the news much in the past couple of years, John?”

I’ll take your word about what Canada is doing in Afghanistan at this time. For me to be better informed, please forward any newspaper articles about the extent of Canada’s efforts in the Iraqi arena. But remember my statement was that Canada did not support the USA at the United Nations to go to war in either Afghanistan or Iraq? Am I wrong?

[John F. Russo]

I apologize for the table in the posting above. THe website did not present what I wanted to even though I had set it up on my screen properly.

Sample Spreadsheet Headings

Owner
(optional)

Marauder
Yr.

¼ mile (sec. at mph)

Performance mods (y or no)

Supercharger (brand/model/ boost (psig)

etc.

[TAF]

Holy moly! I need to go lay down...again...

[yorks]

IMHO, this thread has gone all over the map and then some, due to one persons insensitive remarks, and some members' replies which were just as uncalled for ( me and others ).
I vote to kill this thread due to its unproductive nature.
Any seconders?

[TAF]

:uzi: put it out of it's misery...

[Petrograde]

zap it! or at least lock it?

[martyo]

Seconded.

[MAD-3R]

Moved and secounded!!

[John F. Russo]

yorks, what's wrong with my "Stat spreadsheet" idea?

Can't we stick to that?

[TripleTransAm]

I agree, Yorks... but I must stand by my statements about the Afghanistan involvement. If this is not common knowledge south of the border, then I believe the US media are guilty of manipulating facts. I'm sure the parents of the 4 Canadian servicemen killed when a US aircraft dropped bombs on them would appreciate the truth be known. That's all I have to say about it, let's get back to cars.

[TripleTransAm]

John, considering the info is available for all to see, why don't you take the initiative and compile such a spreadsheet? My most recent results are available as of late Friday evening, early Saturday morning, bone stock.

[Petrograde]

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
If this is not common knowledge south of the border, then I believe the US media are guilty of manipulating facts.

<gasp!> no way! not the media! :lol:

[yorks]

I'm with you TTA. I just think that unfortunately this thread got waylaid into a political argument that serves no purpose here.
Like you said- back to cars.

[John F. Russo]

TripleTransAm

I'll take the initiative, but will Logan let me keep it on this website?

As soon as I get the permission to put the inital spreadsheet data on the website, everyone can put their stats on it.

Logan, can you help us out?

P.S.
By the way, this thread has the highest number of replies of any thread on this website currently.

Again, it is both a webmaster's and sponsor's dream! It's our dream too; to keep this website attracting more and more MM's. Right?

[Petrograde]

:lol: John.... I'm just not sure the ends justifies the means.

[merc406]

John, I like the idea.

[Dr Caleb]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
But remember my statement was that Canada did not support the USA at the United Nations to go to war in either Afghanistan or Iraq? Am I wrong?

Hi John. The answer is Yes.

http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.asp?id=91895F08-1946-4AE8-B7C8-B82E3BC4A9CD
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1065796396643_61205596/?hub=World
http://edmonton.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ed_ppcli20031016
http://www.canada.com/national/features/friendlyfire/index.html
http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=0B9283BA-512F-4522-98EA-C49CAB42ADD8
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdncasualties/
http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/136_2003-10-08/han136_1905-e.htm
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2003/10/23/234627-cp.html

The Government of Canada is currently participating in the Afghan theater. The Government of Canada is not participating in the Iraqi theater with military support, but is pledging money for the rebuilding effort.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066993266477&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968705899037
http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031025/UAIDD25/TPTechInvestor/


Notice I said "Government of Canada". The people of Canada are a different story.

http://www.queensu.ca/cora/polls/2003/March22-Support_for_War_in_Alberta.pdf
http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?id=84ba54d8-8742-4970-8693-194322b2d676
http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?id=090d0c71-7de9-4f16-9142-7d939a4f8d22

I hope I haven't further pushed this thread into the political front - just trying to give our US Cousins a little info. Heaven knows CNN won't :)

[prchrman]

do the spread sheet...it would be interesting IMHO...I would like to see a wet nitrous system's #s on there if possible...and different combo's of mods...what's wrong with that? also include cost and have a bang for buck column...willie

[TAF]

Alright....I'll say it.....

I'VE got the 'baddest car"....

[MAD-3R]

No TAF, you got the prettyest Marauder, Mine is the Badest on the Block!!!

[TAF]

Originally posted by MAD-3R
No TAF, you got the prettyest Marauder, Mine is the Badest on the Block!!!

Somehow...this^^^seems more productive, Phil...

[John F. Russo]

merc406
My spirits are up again.

I know there are others who have responded positively about this idea. But we need others who have not responded to state their interest to have Master Stat/Mod/Misc. (tires, exhaust etc.) Spreadsheet. Anyone who wants to participate can put their name (optional) with their information. (See my above posting for details).

In one glance, every participant can see what others have done to their cars. It's like seeing the typical description of a person's car at the end of his posting. The advantage with the spreadsheet is the ability to see all of the data at the same time at your convenience without having to spend hours to search for the data.

This the time to send a message support this idea so that Logan can see the interest and hopfully act upon it.

[John F. Russo]

prchrman
Thanks for your support.

Is anyone working today? I know the employees in my company are not on this website. (Maybe some other one? Hmmmm.) .

We could have a spreadsheet for NO2 alone with the key differences to describe such an installation. I know very little about this as probably many other members.

We could have a spreadsheet for tires only. Or other mod of interest if there are many factors to consider.

[John F. Russo]

MAD-3R
I noticed that you don't mention anything about a supercharger. I presume you don't have one after looking at your 1/4 mile times.

Why didn't you get one?

I'm thinking of doing the same thing that you have done, even though I have a Vortech supercharger.

What do you think?

[John F. Russo]

Dr. Caleb
Thank you for your response regarding the issue regarding Canadian support for the USA in the Afghani and Iraqi wars.

I'll review the information that you provided and will respond.

[MAD-3R]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
MAD-3R
I noticed that you don't mention anything about a supercharger. I presume you don't have one after looking at your 1/4 mile times.

Why didn't you get one?

I'm thinking of doing the same thing that you have done, even though I have a Vortech supercharger.

What do you think?

When my engine went south, I found VT engines (board sponsor) and they have the full package, but the holder of the money said "NO" So had the compression increased to 11-1. Might as well get what I can out of it. If I HAD all the money (or permision) needed at the time, I wouldn't have hesitated to get the full VT Marauder package (other then the 19" wheels. I don't care for them)
It is truly awsome.

[frdwrnch]

I figure I'll always be faster than most, slower than some, but damn I look good (in my MM)!!

[kurly]

John,

I think the spreadsheet idea is great. It would be nice if there were categories for the different build stages, mod's, etc., from mild to wild with associated et's and mph's.

Speaking as an old and proud Vietnam Vet . . . USA! USA! USA!

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
I agree, Yorks... but I must stand by my statements about the Afghanistan involvement. If this is not common knowledge south of the border, then I believe the US media are guilty of manipulating facts. I'm sure the parents of the 4 Canadian servicemen killed when a US aircraft dropped bombs on them would appreciate the truth be known. That's all I have to say about it, let's get back to cars.

As an aside. One time, in a discussion with a Canadian WW2 veteran, a trooper of "Lord Strathcona's Canadian Horse",
when asked about air support they received in campaigns, his comment was "The only time we saw the RCAF was when they strafed us"

[Bigdogjim]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by John F. Russo
P.S.
By the way, this thread has the highest number of replies of any thread on this website currently.

That's because it is derailed and all over the place..............

Some one quick shoot this thread:uzi:

[SergntMac]

Wait a minute, we missed something...

Was it a government conspiracy to kill Princess Diana, or, just a a common auto accident stemming from alcohol abuse...I'd like to know the truth.

[SILVERMARAUDER]

all theses babys are bad stock out of the box!!!! and my god this trend is long i just logged in and i can hardley keep up on the reading every time i finish a page another pops up! My advise just be glad you got one and can afford it!

[prchrman]

if eggs are 12 yen a dozen in china how long would it take a one legged man to kick the seeds out of a dill pickle?

[SILVERMARAUDER]

Pickles have seeds? LOL

[SILVERMARAUDER]

also on the spread sheets discussion? way to technical for me get real!!!!!!! just drop the hammer and keep HER serviced...... the MM I mean!

[Smokie]

John F. Russo I suggest that this thread be ended and you start a new one where you focus on your idea, I like your idea I suggested something similar to Logan about a year ago and well....Logan is a busy man. I mean it when I say I like to have stats and results in a neat easy to access format, however too many other things were discussed in this thread that added nothing constructive and hurt feelings unnecessarily. Close this, start fresh and keep it about the CAR. I say this in a spirit of friendship toward you and ALL our members. :D

[John F. Russo]

silvermarauder
To get the most for your money (as you know from being in the investment field) in increasing the performance of your car, you have to take an ordered approach to making decisions. You want
to take advantage of the wide experience from your fellow MM owners.


General Comentary
There's a "LOT OF LOOKING" and a "LOT OF TALKING" going on this thread.

But many are not jumping on board supporting the idea of a central bank of spreadsheets with each participant's critical MM components that affect performance especially.

So what's next? I guess we 'll to wait for the idea to be resurrected when interest may be greater--but especially after Logan returns.

[kurly]

-but especially after Logan returns. [/B][/QUOTE]
--------------------------------------------

OOPS! :eek:

John, it's still a good idea. Other car forums have this.

:up:

[Bigdogjim]

There are plenty of members that have dyno sheets and would share this info. There have been dyno sheets posted by vendors.

I do not think they would be willing to go public??

The best way to find this is to get out and meet other marauder owners.


At different meets we sometimes test drive each others cars.

Whole lot more informative than "key racing"




:)

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Wait a minute, we missed something...

Was it a government conspiracy to kill Princess Diana, or, just a a common auto accident stemming from alcohol abuse...I'd like to know the truth.

I think Michael Moore will tackle that issue right after his next documentary.

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by John F. Russo
silvermarauder, To get the most for your money (as you know from being in the investment field) in increasing the performance of your car, you have to take an ordered approach to making decisions. You want to take advantage of the wide experience from your fellow MM owners.

General Comentary
There's a "LOT OF LOOKING" and a "LOT OF TALKING" going on this thread. But many are not jumping on board supporting the idea of a central bank of spreadsheets with each participant's critical MM components that affect performance especially. So what's next? I guess we 'll to wait for the idea to be resurrected when interest may be greater--but especially after Logan returns.

Why do you need to wait for Logan, John? If this is what you want, put it together. Logan shouldn't object, but if it does come to saps site resources, just do it off site somewhere? Have folks here e-mail their stats to you, collect that into your spreadsheet, and post here, or somewhere else if you have to, K? Anyone else who wants to give John a hand, please pitch in?

[John F. Russo]

Smokie
Thank you for the suggestion. I agree to starting a new thread. I'm glad to hear that you had suggested a similar idea and would support the "Stats spreadsheet" plus concept.

Bigdogjim
I agree with you up to a point. Spreadsheets have a tremendous amount of information that can lead to you developing key questions that can be asked at "Meets" etc. Even at a "Meet" or any discussion, I take notes usually depending upon the source(I'm a novice) that I put on paper that can become a spreadsheet!
It takes a tremendous amount of time to meet other marauder owners. So far, the closest "Meet" has been in the Midwest (I live in Massachusetts). We just don't have the number of enthusiasts as you have in the South and Midwest.

SergntMac
Thank you again for your suggestion. I'm still processing everyone's ideas. Maybe I'll may test my idea with a "Tire spreadsheet" (I'll be buying new tires shortly) and a "Stats spreadsheet.

[Bigdogjim]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by John F. Russo
Bigdogjim
I agree with you up to a point. Spreadsheets have a tremendous amount of information that can lead to you developing key questions that can be asked at "Meets" etc. Even at a "Meet" or any discussion, I take notes usually depending upon the source(I'm a novice) that I put on paper that can become a spreadsheet!
It takes a tremendous amount of time to meet other marauder owners. So far, the closest "Meet" has been in the Midwest (I live in Massachusetts). We just don't have the number of enthusiasts as you have in the South and Midwest.


John: Check the thread for Englishtown on Sunday November 2. A few of us are getting together at the track.

What better way to find out what works?

I belive the correct reference is "seat of pants" or "butt'o'meter" :)

Come down a join us at the track.

You will not be sorry!:)

ps: Pay attention we just had a "meet" in Hershey, Pa. Oct, 17-18 and two S/C cars were there:)

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by RCSignals
you mean I have to count them?

OK OK here you go 38 peats.

It's 18 oz box pleated to stripe.

How about yours?


Mac??

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by RCSignals
Mac??

I think this fits better in another thread here, but since you asked, R.C...Okay, gimme a minute here...I'm counting 32 pleats, apron to apron, and you're counting what, 38?

You ain't no narrow dude, RC, eh? I get a clear impression you're 6'3" or better?

[RCSignals]

lol I'm pretty narrow. and I'm under 6'3"

Remember my kilt is box-pleated to stripe. So each pleat shows about a 1/2" "face"

I also don't have any "fringe" on the apron

[SergntMac]

One must have fringe on the apron. Is this an Amish kilt?

[Logan]

Ok ummmm.....


Holy off topic Batman. I won't close it, but please... Finish your thoughts and let this evil thread die... Before I am forced to swing my fore finger at the glorious button of destruction... :D

[MapleLeafMerc]

I hope this gets posted and read before the thread gets 'decontented'.

This thread started out as a question about who among us was the fastest. I hope we can all admit that the thought has crossed all of our minds at least once. As far as results, I certainly know I'm at the bottom of the heap for being stock and having no drag race experience, yet I still feel good just being part of this community.

I agree that competing against each other would change MM.net completely. It is not necessary. The idea of posting times has been suggested, and if members want to do this they should.

But what about a thread that would simply list how many people have made a particular change? I mean where it would say tuner- 85 people, supercharger- 25 people, etc. This information would let novices (like me) know which mods were most popular (and hopefully, most effective for the dollar).

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by Logan
Finish your thoughts and let this evil thread die...


Now hold on a minute there, Logan...

I for one am VERY interested in knowing who's got the baddest kilt.

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by SergntMac
One must have fringe on the apron. Is this an Amish kilt?

Military, Mac. Fringe is for sissys ;)

[MapleLeafMerc]

Everyone says this thread is bad and should end, yet it has people talking. Is it wrong to discuss other topics? I have not had the pleasure of meeting other MM.net owners yet, but I know I will enjoy it when I do, and I would guess that we might talk about things other than the MM at some point.

I am in the bottom 5% here as far as tech knowledge goes, but a topic that allows me to participate is a good thing for me.

[Logan]

No, not everyone is saying this thread is bad, nor does it matter. I'm the one saying it's off-topic, ie. not related to the original topic.

Wanna discuss Mac's kilt preferences? NOOoooooo problem, start a thread in the lounge called "I love Mac's kilt"...